Architecture - Re:Architecture as propaganda, (was Are you "White"?)

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Re:Architecture as propaganda, (was Are you "White"?)

EDS

2008-03-18, 5:26 pm

"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure it's much more bad than good; I just think it's important to
> recognize that abuses have occured, and do (and will) occur, yet not
> necessarily good to throw the proverbial baby out wiht the proverbial
> bath water. I've never proposed that; the vast majority of people *do*
> have spiritual needs, are spiritual beings, and churches can and do have
> a lot of positive roles in a community. THe problem, however, is that
> people often forget that religion is not an end unto itself, it is
> supposed to be a path or set of guideposts that help people establish a
> personal connection with Creation/The Creator. That's why I state (and
> am by no means the only person to ever have stated) that religion and
> Spirituality are not equivalent, or irrevocably intertwined - each can
> exist independantly of the other.
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> You obviously understand that point

, as do a lot of people.
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> I've had several very intense spiritual experiences - a few were things
> that happened in the real world that never should have happened, and
> several were more what could be called "visionary". ((And nope, none
> involved drugs ;) )) These experiences have shaped me more powerfully
> than almost any other influence in my life. They're also almost
> painfully personal, and not things I discuss lightly (I have only
> discussed them at all with one person), but they do form the basis of my
> personal spiritual beliefs. Over and above that, however, there are also
> conclusions that can be arrived at logically, through examination and
> analysis of things that are happening, and have happened. Science
> explains why the sun seems to rise in the East, but spirituality can
> still interperet the sunrise as a blessing.
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> To claim that any and all critique or criticism of what is bad in
> religion constitutes a blanket condemnation of not only all religion but
> also spirituality, is no differnt from claiming that critiquing what's
> wrong in America today is the equivalent of treason - people make such
> claims all the time, of course...
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> Re: Prophets and Teachers, one of my critiques of many religions arises
> when I can directly observe a complete disconnect between what a Prophet
> is quoted as having taught, and what this or that sect actually
> practices. A lot of smorgasbord-like picking and choosing goes on, and
> the very people who do that as a given then turn around and condemn those
> who go to differnet quotes that contradict the interpretations of the
> initial set of selected quotes. I have no problems with what Jesus
> Himself siad, or for that amtter, with what I've read so far in the
> Koran, but I have a great many problems with peopl ehwio go through all
> sorts of intellectual gymnastics to try to force what they said, into
> certain specific prejudicial world-views.
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> As I said, anything can be used for good, or for ill, depending upon the
> individual.
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> WHich is IMO a decent opening for a discussion of the use of architecture
> as propaganda ;)
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Yes, the Nazis sure used it as that, but really no more than the Gothic
architects, corporate builders of tall buildings ("mine is bigger than
yours"), castles, Domes on churches, etc.
EDS

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