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| miamicuse 2005-12-28, 2:21 am |
| Is anyone familiar with the Endless Shelf by Porro? (www.porro.com select
PRODUCTS > Bookshelves > ENDLESS SHELF and ENDLESS PLASTIC). I would like
to know if the Endless Shelf alumnum joints and the Endless Plastic aluminum
joints are identical and whether the two unit's panels are interchangeable.
I have an Endless Shelf unit and when I disassembled it in order to move it
to another location, I damaged two of the panels. Unfortunately the panels
I had was in a color that has been discontinued. The only option I have is
to get the plastic translucent panels from the Endless Plastic series and
mix it in and since it's clear it should blend in without being too
noticeable. But I don't know if the two series use the same exact size
joints and if they are compatible. The place I got the original unit
(Luminaire in Miami) does not know. I can't seem to find another
dealer/retailer in the US that I can inquire about this or order parts.
Any suggestions?
MC
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"miamicuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is anyone familiar with the Endless Shelf by Porro? (www.porro.com select
> PRODUCTS > Bookshelves > ENDLESS SHELF and ENDLESS PLASTIC). I would like
> to know if the Endless Shelf alumnum joints and the Endless Plastic
> aluminum
> joints are identical and whether the two unit's panels are
> interchangeable.
>
> I have an Endless Shelf unit and when I disassembled it in order to move
> it
> to another location, I damaged two of the panels. Unfortunately the
> panels
> I had was in a color that has been discontinued. The only option I have
> is
> to get the plastic translucent panels from the Endless Plastic series and
> mix it in and since it's clear it should blend in without being too
> noticeable. But I don't know if the two series use the same exact size
> joints and if they are compatible. The place I got the original unit
> (Luminaire in Miami) does not know. I can't seem to find another
> dealer/retailer in the US that I can inquire about this or order parts.
>
> Any suggestions?
That site acted weird on my machine.
Anyway, I'm wondering why you don't just take one of your unbroken panels to
the store and match it up with what they have?
Then you'll know if it;ll work or not.
On stuff like that, a millimeter difference in thickness can make the diff
between the success or failure.
Also, I'd go around the airhead that answers the telephone and speak
directly with someone that has the technical knowledge to answer your
question.
Be prepared to know *exactly* how thick your own panels are.
Its SOP these days for companies to put the stupidest people they can find
on the frontline/phones so as to frustrate clients/customers into not
complaining.
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| Lanze 2005-12-28, 11:21 am |
| If the company in Miami that sells this product doesn't know if the parts
are interchangeable then trial on error is the only way left as Don has
mentioned. What is it with places like this that sell high profile items and
know little about them? I wonder if we have become conditioned to expect
this these days.
"miamicuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kv-dnR2daYxBuy_eRVn-oA@dsli.com...
> Is anyone familiar with the Endless Shelf by Porro? (www.porro.com select
> PRODUCTS > Bookshelves > ENDLESS SHELF and ENDLESS PLASTIC). I would like
> to know if the Endless Shelf alumnum joints and the Endless Plastic
> aluminum
> joints are identical and whether the two unit's panels are
> interchangeable.
>
> I have an Endless Shelf unit and when I disassembled it in order to move
> it
> to another location, I damaged two of the panels. Unfortunately the
> panels
> I had was in a color that has been discontinued. The only option I have
> is
> to get the plastic translucent panels from the Endless Plastic series and
> mix it in and since it's clear it should blend in without being too
> noticeable. But I don't know if the two series use the same exact size
> joints and if they are compatible. The place I got the original unit
> (Luminaire in Miami) does not know. I can't seem to find another
> dealer/retailer in the US that I can inquire about this or order parts.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> MC
>
>
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| miamicuse 2005-12-28, 11:21 am |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "miamicuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kv-dnR2daYxBuy_eRVn-oA@dsli.com...
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> That site acted weird on my machine.
> Anyway, I'm wondering why you don't just take one of your unbroken panels
to
> the store and match it up with what they have?
> Then you'll know if it;ll work or not.
> On stuff like that, a millimeter difference in thickness can make the diff
> between the success or failure.
> Also, I'd go around the airhead that answers the telephone and speak
> directly with someone that has the technical knowledge to answer your
> question.
> Be prepared to know *exactly* how thick your own panels are.
> Its SOP these days for companies to put the stupidest people they can find
> on the frontline/phones so as to frustrate clients/customers into not
> complaining.
>
>
Don:
Thanks. They do not have the models on the floor. Just in the catalog.
The rep I spoke with said he spoke to the Porro and said they do not
recommend it because it "may" not work. I wanted to know if the joints are
the same, if they are the same it has to work and no one is able to answer
that. An email directly to Porro customer service did not yield any
reply... not sure where else to ask. The problem is once you lose one
panel, the entire set up is different. There is a fixed number of "L"
joints for the corners, "T" joints for the top and bottom shelves and "X"
joints for the interiors. If I lose one panel, then a "T" joint have to be
now a "L" joint and I don't have the right joints anymore. It's replace the
joints or replace the panels - pick my poison so to speak.
MC
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"miamicuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:73wsf.1384$M%4.1002@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> select
> like
> and
> to
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> Don:
>
> Thanks. They do not have the models on the floor. Just in the catalog.
> The rep I spoke with said he spoke to the Porro and said they do not
> recommend it because it "may" not work. I wanted to know if the joints
> are
> the same, if they are the same it has to work and no one is able to answer
> that. An email directly to Porro customer service did not yield any
> reply... not sure where else to ask. The problem is once you lose one
> panel, the entire set up is different. There is a fixed number of "L"
> joints for the corners, "T" joints for the top and bottom shelves and "X"
> joints for the interiors. If I lose one panel, then a "T" joint have to
> be
> now a "L" joint and I don't have the right joints anymore. It's replace
> the
> joints or replace the panels - pick my poison so to speak.
OK, now you have to fight fire with fire.
Go back to wherever you purchased the stuff in the first place and BUY the
new shelve(s) you want.
Try them out to see if they work.
If they don't, take them back.
Pay for the shelve(s) with a credit card (not a debit card) so they don't
give you any static when you take them back.
And don't go for any of that restocking fee shit either, as the only reason
you'd be taking them back is that their personnel are incapable of dealing
with customers in the first place.
There's other nastier ways of dealing with this sort of thing but I'll
refrain from that stuff for now.
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| I'm getting used to expecting this stuff.
The systems are evolving.
The whole thing is to make it difficult for clients/customers to complain.
Instead, you should just throw away the item you are dissatisfied with and
go get another.
If its a service, then just go get another one of those too, they don't
care, they already got your money.
They put people on the phones that are either barely literate, have a low
IQ, or cannot speak proper english.
They put you on hold for long periods of time with that god-awful ?music?
playing LOUD in the background through a 2" broken speaker.
They attempt to confuse you and break you down with all that button pushing
stuff and then everything is repeated in spanish.
A new one I encountered several times recently is right from jump the real
live rep will suddenly blurt out, 'Calm down sir', whether you were not calm
or not.
The first time this occurred it caught me off guard and put me on the
defensive, a position I don't like to be in.
Now, as a matter of routine I make an effort to get those words out of my
mouth first and put the rep on the defensive.
The problem with that is that you have to put your *good guy* hat in the
closet and put on your *JR Ewing* hat, and be the XXXXXXX right from the
beginning.
All of this is causing me to withdrawal even further.
"Lanze" <romanze@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If the company in Miami that sells this product doesn't know if the parts
> are interchangeable then trial on error is the only way left as Don has
> mentioned. What is it with places like this that sell high profile items
> and know little about them? I wonder if we have become conditioned to
> expect this these days.
>
>
> "miamicuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kv-dnR2daYxBuy_eRVn-oA@dsli.com...
>
>
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| miamicuse 2005-12-28, 11:21 pm |
| The frustrating part is I am not asking for this sort of service from a $200
bookshelve at Target. This is a $2500 book shelf, and for a company like
www.luminaire.com that claims to pride themselves in customer service it's
just unexpected. I can deal with the fact that when I walk into Home Depot
and the guy in the hardware section does not know if they carry any metric
screws, that's fine, but at a high end store? Got to do better than that.
MC
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> I'm getting used to expecting this stuff.
> The systems are evolving.
> The whole thing is to make it difficult for clients/customers to complain.
> Instead, you should just throw away the item you are dissatisfied with and
> go get another.
> If its a service, then just go get another one of those too, they don't
> care, they already got your money.
>
> They put people on the phones that are either barely literate, have a low
> IQ, or cannot speak proper english.
> They put you on hold for long periods of time with that god-awful ?music?
> playing LOUD in the background through a 2" broken speaker.
> They attempt to confuse you and break you down with all that button
pushing
> stuff and then everything is repeated in spanish.
>
> A new one I encountered several times recently is right from jump the real
> live rep will suddenly blurt out, 'Calm down sir', whether you were not
calm
> or not.
> The first time this occurred it caught me off guard and put me on the
> defensive, a position I don't like to be in.
> Now, as a matter of routine I make an effort to get those words out of my
> mouth first and put the rep on the defensive.
> The problem with that is that you have to put your *good guy* hat in the
> closet and put on your *JR Ewing* hat, and be the XXXXXXX right from the
> beginning.
>
> All of this is causing me to withdrawal even further.
>
> "Lanze" <romanze@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:54xsf.5088$l87.359739@news20.bellglobal.com...
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| "miamicuse"> wrote
> The frustrating part is I am not asking for this sort of service from a
> $200
> bookshelve at Target. This is a $2500 book shelf, and for a company like
> www.luminaire.com that claims to pride themselves in customer service it's
> just unexpected. I can deal with the fact that when I walk into Home
> Depot
> and the guy in the hardware section does not know if they carry any metric
> screws, that's fine, but at a high end store? Got to do better than that.
>
> MC
Oh man, that is one fucked up site.
I think that may be close to the worst site I've ever seen.
Between your testimony and a brief visit to their website has shown me that
they do not deserve my money.
In fact they don't deserve anyones money.
Thanks for clueing me in on these clowns.
I have to say, you'd be better off with the $200 thing from Target.
You'll get nothing but grief from these Luminaire idiots.
Luck.
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| 3D Peruna 2005-12-29, 1:21 am |
| Don wrote:
> Oh man, that is one fucked up site.
FLASH!! One reason to avoid it all together.
> I think that may be close to the worst site I've ever seen.
> Between your testimony and a brief visit to their website has shown me that
> they do not deserve my money.
> In fact they don't deserve anyones money.
I wanted to send them an email telling them how bad their site sucks.
Can't do without "registering" in some fashion.
Wanted to see how much something costs...can't do that without sending
them an email and asking them (what's wrong with that...sure, it's high
priced stuff...but that's no reason not to put the price ON THE SITE!).
>
> Thanks for clueing me in on these clowns.
Stuck up, self absorbed idiots. I think they learned capitalism in
Europe where the attitude is "you should be grateful I'll condescend to
sell this to you. It's your privilege to be over charged and insulted
as you buy this pretentious item from me."
> I have to say, you'd be better off with the $200 thing from Target.
> You'll get nothing but grief from these Luminaire idiots.
> Luck.
Ditto.
>
>
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Don wrote:
> "miamicuse"> wrote
>
> Oh man, that is one fucked up site.
> I think that may be close to the worst site I've ever seen.
> Between your testimony and a brief visit to their website has shown me that
> they do not deserve my money.
> In fact they don't deserve anyones money.
>
> Thanks for clueing me in on these clowns.
> I have to say, you'd be better off with the $200 thing from Target.
> You'll get nothing but grief from these Luminaire idiots.
> Luck.
That site is a mess. The opening screen made me feel like I was at the
State Fair and was aiming for moving ducks to win a prize. LOL
They do carry some very nice stuff, but from what I gathered by briefly
going through their site, was that they merely carry other manufacters.
Many other people sell these same items, and the OP might want to
contact the manufacterer directly. I know I've done that in the past
after getting no response from the place I purchased a high cost
furniture item from. The manufacterers were pretty good to work with,
although it took a bit of time.
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| "Cato"> wrote
> Many other people sell these same items, and the OP might want to
> contact the manufacterer directly. I know I've done that in the past
> after getting no response from the place I purchased a high cost
> furniture item from. The manufacterers were pretty good to work with,
> although it took a bit of time.
This time it appears to be a different story.
The manuf. is www.porro.com and their site is almost as bad.
I filled out the thing to get a catalog sent to me but it took about 15 mins
and 10 tries to get the info right on the fillout page.
sheesh......these guys must stay in business by association with ID's for
they are surely lacking in the commercial aspect of business.
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Don wrote:
> "Cato"> wrote
>
> This time it appears to be a different story.
> The manuf. is www.porro.com and their site is almost as bad.
> I filled out the thing to get a catalog sent to me but it took about 15 mins
> and 10 tries to get the info right on the fillout page.
> sheesh......these guys must stay in business by association with ID's for
> they are surely lacking in the commercial aspect of business.
I did say "it took a bit of time". LOL
I'm sure it depends on who the manufacterers is. Some have their act
together, some are much smaller operations. Just because they are
small, doesn't mean waiting for something isn't worth it. Good things
come to those who wait....and wait....and wait. ;-)
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| marcenmoni@cpu-net.net 2005-12-29, 3:21 am |
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miamicuse wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with the Endless Shelf by Porro? (www.porro.com select
> PRODUCTS > Bookshelves > ENDLESS SHELF and ENDLESS PLASTIC). I would like
> to know if the Endless Shelf alumnum joints and the Endless Plastic aluminum
> joints are identical and whether the two unit's panels are interchangeable.
>
> I have an Endless Shelf unit and when I disassembled it in order to move it
> to another location, I damaged two of the panels. Unfortunately the panels
> I had was in a color that has been discontinued. The only option I have is
> to get the plastic translucent panels from the Endless Plastic series and
> mix it in and since it's clear it should blend in without being too
> noticeable. But I don't know if the two series use the same exact size
> joints and if they are compatible. The place I got the original unit
> (Luminaire in Miami) does not know. I can't seem to find another
> dealer/retailer in the US that I can inquire about this or order parts.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> MC
Porro is in northern Italy (Brianza, which is not a town or official
region). Through some searches through www.google.it I found this
catalog with information about the company, since Porro doesn't put an
address or phone number on their site.
http://www.professionearchitetto.it...d=&p=A15&d=1979
There's a phone and fax number which will be better than email,
particularly phone. You'll need to dial the full international code for
Italy, which would be 011 39 and then the complete number, including
the beginning zero. (011 39 031 780237). Hopefully you won't get a
voicemail, but a real person, who may patch you in to one of their
technical staff, either draftsman, shop foreman, etc. I think if you
speak to them directly, they might be willing to help out... If you
mention that you'r calling from Miami, that may help (Italians have a
fondness for Miami.)
Marcello
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| miamicuse 2005-12-29, 1:21 pm |
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"Cato" <cato_the_stoic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don wrote:
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> I did say "it took a bit of time". LOL
>
> I'm sure it depends on who the manufacterers is. Some have their act
> together, some are much smaller operations. Just because they are
> small, doesn't mean waiting for something isn't worth it. Good things
> come to those who wait....and wait....and wait. ;-)
>
I have used their web site and made a request. No response. I have the
feeling they paid someone to do a web site and does not really use it for
anything. The email address on their is so general, I think it probably
goes to the webmaster and probably the webmaster is a contractor who did the
set up for them and no longer is associated with them.
I will try to call them up and see. But I don't speak Italian.
One thing that is so basic that I wanted to find on their web site - a list
of retailers in the US - who I may be able to call and get information
from - does not exist. Their site is equally helpless.
MC
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| miamicuse 2005-12-29, 1:21 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "miamicuse"> wrote
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>
> Oh man, that is one fucked up site.
> I think that may be close to the worst site I've ever seen.
> Between your testimony and a brief visit to their website has shown me
that
> they do not deserve my money.
> In fact they don't deserve anyones money.
>
> Thanks for clueing me in on these clowns.
> I have to say, you'd be better off with the $200 thing from Target.
> You'll get nothing but grief from these Luminaire idiots.
> Luck.
>
>
The saga continues...get this. I called them up and said I am willing to
buy three panels ($75 per panel) and even willing to take the chance that
they won't fit and understands that it is a special order and hence are not
returnable. Guess what, they refuse to order it for me because "it may not
work and we sure hate to order you something that may not work" and I said
"so you don't hate to offer me the alternative of having to throw away the
entire shelf" he basically said nothing...way to go! me thinks ordering
parts they get paid no commission so they are just blowing me off. This is
no longer about my shelf, this has become personal!!!
MC
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| "miamicuse"> wrote
> This is no longer about my shelf, this has become personal!!!
~git-a-gun~
Just kiddin'.
Thats too bad, sorry it worked out that way.
I noticed on their website that the panels are made out of MDF, medium
density fiberboard, I wonder how hard it would be to create the panels you
need with *hand selected* MDF from Lowes or elsewhere?
As far as color matching, my brother told me the other day that most of the
larger paint stores can do a color analysis of a sample and mix a batch that
should work.
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| The endless shelf system looks like they're using a 3/4" panel. The
supports which hold the system together ( looks like aluminums) should be
interchangeable. Why would any manufacturer change thickness in the shelf
seeing that this is a industry standard. Maybe I'm missing something??? Have
you considered having a custom cabinet shop make the pieces? Just what is
this material that is used for the shelves, particle board melamine?
www.uniboard.com cost are under $ 100 canadian per 4'x8' sheet. Hope this
helps.
>
> The saga continues...get this. I called them up and said I am willing to
> buy three panels ($75 per panel) and even willing to take the chance that
> they won't fit and understands that it is a special order and hence are
> not
> returnable. Guess what, they refuse to order it for me because "it may
> not
> work and we sure hate to order you something that may not work" and I said
> "so you don't hate to offer me the alternative of having to throw away the
> entire shelf" he basically said nothing...way to go! me thinks ordering
> parts they get paid no commission so they are just blowing me off. This
> is
> no longer about my shelf, this has become personal!!!
>
> MC
>
>
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| marcenmoni@cpu-net.net 2005-12-29, 4:21 pm |
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miamicuse wrote:
> "Cato" <cato_the_stoic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1135836772.553429.9070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> mins
> for
>
> I have used their web site and made a request. No response. I have the
> feeling they paid someone to do a web site and does not really use it for
> anything. The email address on their is so general, I think it probably
> goes to the webmaster and probably the webmaster is a contractor who did the
> set up for them and no longer is associated with them.
>
> I will try to call them up and see. But I don't speak Italian.
>
> One thing that is so basic that I wanted to find on their web site - a list
> of retailers in the US - who I may be able to call and get information
> from - does not exist. Their site is equally helpless.
>
> MC
It's a case of different mentality. Many of these Italian furniture
manufacturers are quite literally family operations, with dad and a few
sons getting clients and overseeing operations, and mom managing
billing, a few assistants and the shop draftsmen and
laborers/operators/finishers/millworkers/etc. Though these companies
work with international orders, they rarely take on a more 'corporate'
mentality which is normal in the US, even for small companies. They're
distribution connections may be shaky, change annually, etc., so that
such a list might be a pain to maintain.
Best bet is to call. BUT, they may be closed for the holidays, and may
not open back up until January 9th, because is 6th La Befana, the
Italian Boxing Day equivalent. Also after the holidays you'll have a
greater chance of finding someone who speaks a little English. Over the
holidays, it will be skeleton staff only.
Marcello
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"Lanze"
> mentioned. What is it with places like this that sell high
> profile items and know little about them? I wonder if
> we have become conditioned to expect this these days.
Theory:
Capitalism, as it's currently configured, is, in part, about need-creation,
rather than satisfying actual needs.
So, as a result, we get too much of what we don't really need and very
little of what we do.
Choice is all fine and nice until there's so much of it (and often so
pointless) that no one who can help us with it really knows much about it.
If you hire specialists, that cuts into profits. If you go down the street
to a competitor, it may very well be that it's a conglomerate of the very
place you were leaving.
Richard
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| "Me"> wrote
> Capitalism, as it's currently configured, is, in part, about
> need-creation,
Lets hear more about that part, need-creation, how is it done and why.
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| Me wrote:
>
>
> "Lanze"
>
>
>
> Theory:
> Capitalism, as it's currently configured, is, in part, about need-creation,
> rather than satisfying actual needs.
> So, as a result, we get too much of what we don't really need and very
> little of what we do.
> Choice is all fine and nice until there's so much of it (and often so
> pointless) that no one who can help us with it really knows much about it.
> If you hire specialists, that cuts into profits. If you go down the street
> to a competitor, it may very well be that it's a conglomerate of the very
> place you were leaving.
>
> Richard
And an alternative to capitalism would be?
See, here's the problem. If individuals do not choose to behave morally
(in all senses of the word), then it doesn't matter what the "system"
is. Anything that removes the individuals ability to make a choice,
good or bad, enslaves the individual. The more choices we have taken
from us to "protect" us from ourselves or each other, the worse we get.
So...what system would be better than capitalism (in any configuration)?
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| "i"> wrote
> Me wrote:
>
> And an alternative to capitalism would be?
>
> See, here's the problem. If individuals do not choose to behave morally
> (in all senses of the word), then it doesn't matter what the "system"
> is. Anything that removes the individuals ability to make a choice,
> good or bad, enslaves the individual. The more choices we have taken
> from us to "protect" us from ourselves or each other, the worse we get.
>
> So...what system would be better than capitalism (in any configuration)?
Its at this point that suddenly an old 60's song by Simon & Garfunkel starts
running through my skal over and over and.....
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> "Me"> wrote
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> Lets hear more about that part, need-creation, how is it done and why.
Let's see some evidence in that regard of some "home-schooling" on your
part, first.
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| "Me"> wrote
> "To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions
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Sure, no problem, as long as I am one of the *we*'s.
I would then restrict everyone to living in cages and turning all of their
possessions over to me.
Anyone that didn't like that restriction, well, a bullet to the brain works
wonders.
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| "Me"> wrote
> "Don"> wrote
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> Let's see some evidence in that regard of some "home-schooling" on your
> part, first.
You mean like, that 35,000 MORE kids in the US were homeschooled in 2005
than in 2004?
This stuff is easily found by those that want to know.
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"Don"
> "Me"
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> I would then restrict everyone to living in cages and turning all of their
> possessions over to me.
That sounds positively proprietary. 
> Anyone that didn't like that restriction, well, a bullet to
> the brain works wonders.
That could be a problem with some creatures and systems, and depending on
how far your handy little hypothetical here goes, nature, being the ultimate
dictator-empowerer, may slate self-destruction for you as a species.
http://www.mcs.csuhayward.edu/~malek/Dalip2.html
Dick
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> "Me"
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> You mean like, that 35,000 MORE kids in the US were homeschooled in 2005
> than in 2004?
> This stuff is easily found by those that want to know.
'Exactly.
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| 3D Peruna 2006-01-03, 10:21 am |
| Me wrote:
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> That question is a good start. You tell me. Use your head, search your
> heart, follow your compass.
> Get active and involved, even if in a small way, in things you beleive in,
> and "the system" will change, hopefully for the better good.
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> Richard
You weasle your way out of actually answering the question. Your
statement implies a moral superiority over me...you "KNOW" the answer.
It's up to me to figure out what the hell you're thinking.
You still haven't answered the question...come on... if you're so right,
why be afraid to share the "answer?"
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| "3D Peruna""> wrote
> Me wrote:
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> You weasle your way out of actually answering the question. Your
> statement implies a moral superiority over me...you "KNOW" the answer.
> It's up to me to figure out what the hell you're thinking.
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> You still haven't answered the question...come on... if you're so right,
> why be afraid to share the "answer?"
In all of these types of things the people that present them assume that the
rules are for *other people* but not them.
Now I don't know where this attitude comes from, perhaps improper parenting
from an early age or something, but as long as people think they have the
right or obligation to tell others what to do, violence will be frequent.
People will only stand for so much, then heads will roll, just like they're
supposed to. There is no explanation for this stuff so don't waste time
asking. Its tantamount to asking a little kid to explain fusion. blatttt
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| 3D Peruna 2006-01-03, 1:21 pm |
| Don wrote:
>There is no explanation for this stuff so don't waste time
> asking. Its tantamount to asking a little kid to explain fusion. blatttt
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I dunno... I think my 10 year old daughter can give it a pretty good
run, as probably could my 8 year old son. My six year old, she wouldn't
care unless it had a princess involved somehow.
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| "3D Peruna"> wrote
> My six year old, she wouldn't care unless it had a princess involved
> somehow.
LOL
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| Kris Krieger 2006-01-03, 8:21 pm |
| "Lanze" <romanze@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> If the company in Miami that sells this product doesn't know if the
> parts are interchangeable then trial on error is the only way left as
> Don has mentioned. What is it with places like this that sell high
> profile items and know little about them? I wonder if we have become
> conditioned to expect this these days.
Yup. Just as one learns, when looking at decorative stuff, to expect that
the French "Provenc,al" (sorry, I dunno how to make a cedilla here) will be
pronounced, by the "sales associates", like "proh-VEN-kal". And learns to
check one's change even tho' the exact-change amount shows up on the cash-
register screen - because some "cashiers" don't seem to comnprehend that
"$0.37" can MAGICALLY be translated as meaning a quater plus a dime plus
two US pennies - which is why change machines are popping up everywhere;
they bypass the "cashier" altogether.
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| Kris Krieger 2006-01-03, 8:21 pm |
| 3D Peruna <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
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> Don wrote:
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> FLASH!! One reason to avoid it all together.
IMO, it's for eye-candy-obsessed amateurs, who are still at the level of
being wow-ed merely because a shape moves back and forth across a screen,
and haven't got the intellectual competence to figure out that you can do
most of that nonsense with plain old JavaScript (which doesn't demand that
the viewer DL a space-pig app just to view a few silly, simplistic little
sorry-XXX excuses for animation). I've seen very few Flash sites that were
at all worth the bother. I've seen two. maybe three, (as far as I can
remember) that were excellent.
Flash, like any tool, is only as good as the person using it. Don't forget
that a bleepload of people can't even figure out the right way to use a
hammer or even a stapler.
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> I wanted to send them an email telling them how bad their site sucks.
> Can't do without "registering" in some fashion.
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> Wanted to see how much something costs...can't do that without sending
> them an email and asking them (what's wrong with that...sure, it's
> high priced stuff...but that's no reason not to put the price ON THE
> SITE!).
Another sign IMO of rank (in both senses of the word) amateurs.
I think that such nudniks want to be seen as sophisticates who can simply
draw customers in by creating some supposed "aura of mystery" that will
magically "entice the customers' sense of curiosity".
In reality, it just annoys most poeple.
Plus, IMO,it's *actually* just a lazyass excuse to not bother creating an
editable database for a web client. IMO, of one doesn't know how to do
that, one should either learn, or subcontract.
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> Stuck up, self absorbed idiots. I think they learned capitalism in
> Europe where the attitude is "you should be grateful I'll condescend
> to sell this to you. It's your privilege to be over charged and
> insulted as you buy this pretentious item from me."
Screw 'em all - make your own shelves.
If you can't make your own, there are a great many self-employed Artisans
who make beautiful items of fine quality. The simplest thing made of a
fine and beautiful wood, or well-crafted metal, is a zillion times better
than something elaborate made of inferior materials.
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