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> Hello,
>
> Anyone know how to get rid of lots of clover from a lawn?
>

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> Hello,
>
> Anyone know how to get rid of lots of clover from a lawn?
>
> Also, has anyone used these books that have these home remedies for great
> lawns? I've heard of using soap, etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Mike
>

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> Hello,
>
> Anyone know how to get rid of lots of clover from a lawn?
>

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> Hello,
>
> Anyone know how to get rid of lots of clover from a lawn?
>
> Also, has anyone used these books that have these home remedies for great
> lawns? I've heard of using soap, etc.

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> Slow down with the weird remedies. I've read in multiple agricultural
> sources that clover indicates either a nutrient imbalance or a problem
> with pH. Both are easy to deal with, without using any sort of chemical
> nonsense (other than lime and/or the right lawn food). Where are you
> located? And, what's so bad about clover?
>
> "Mike" <m@a.com> wrote in message
> news:1118341156.e0b815b185467d1e27f653fb89b6e333@teranews...
>
>

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>Slow down with the weird remedies. I've read in multiple agricultural
>sources that clover indicates either a nutrient imbalance or a problem with
>pH. Both are easy to deal with, without using any sort of chemical nonsense
>(other than lime and/or the right lawn food). Where are you located? And,
>what's so bad about clover?
>

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> We are in north NJ. The front lawn is zoysia grass and clover just
> doesn't fit in with the look we would like. I have limed and fertilized
> it but still got the clover all over.
> How do you figure out the nutrient/pH imbalance and what do to?
>
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dX%pe.612$uQ7.271@news02.roc.ny...
>
>

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> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:32:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> Check your PH value. It is likely acid based which lime will correct
> and also minimize the clover.
>
> Thunder
>

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> We are in north NJ. The front lawn is zoysia grass and clover just
> doesn't
> fit in with the look we would like. I have limed and fertilized it but
> still got the clover all over.
> How do you figure out the nutrient/pH imbalance and what do to?
>
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dX%pe.612$uQ7.271@news02.roc.ny...
>
>

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> It's neither a nutrient nor a pH imbalance. Somehow clover got in with
> your
> lawn grasses -- sometimes people plant it cuz they want it there.
> Apparently you don't. Use a broadleaf herbicide when the weather is on
> the
> cool side (50's or 60's) for it to be most effective.
>
> Suzy, zone 5, Milwaukee
>
>
> "Mike" <m@a.com> wrote in message
> news:1118410198.e643641dd2bab5e87f66a0dabd2c1f8c@teranews...
>
>

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> "Slow down with the weird remedies. I've read in multiple agricultural
> sources that clover indicates either a nutrient imbalance or a problem
> with
> pH. Both are easy to deal with, without using any sort of chemical
> nonsense
> (other than lime and/or the right lawn food). Where are you located?
> And,
> what's so bad about clover? "
>
> Another fine example that demostrates Doug's ignorance about lawn care.
> He thinks any lawn problem can be easily solved without using
> chemicals. In fact, clover grows quite nicely in exactly the same soil
> nutrient conditions and PH ranges that lawn grasses do. You can fiddle
> with nutrients and PH till the cows come home and the clover will still
> be there.
>
> Clover is actually beneficial to the lawn, as clover puts nitrogen into
> the soil. However if you don't like the look, you can fix it quite
> simply with an application of any of the broadleaf weed killers. It
> should not be done in very hot weather though.
>

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> And be sure to keep kids off the lawn for a couple of months.

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> "Suzy O" <SuzyO@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Rdsqe.10204$lI2.1903@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
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>

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> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:YQXqe.514$yg4.142@news01.roc.ny...
>
>
> Months? The typical broadleaf herbicide contains three ingredients:
> dicamba, MCPP and 2,4-D. All the sources I've seen report that it's safe
> to
> enter a treated area after the product has dried. If you have other
> information, please correct me.

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> The OP, however, asked how to get rid of the clover. So what do you
> suggest
> as an alternative? I'm all ears!! Sincerely.

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> "Suzy O" <SuzyO@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:h5Ive.4376$hV5.71@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
>
> Suzy, since these things cannot be properly tested for safety, I'd be
> interested in knowing who all your sources were. Seriously. I'm genuinely
> interested.
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't have an alternative. I was just telling you to be careful about
> using your lawn for a period of time. Admittedly, the period of time I
> suggested was a random choice, but absent any testing method you can trust,
> hey....sometimes you have to guess.
>
>

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> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> Type "2,4-D" to Google. The first thing it found was http://www.24d.org/

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> "Good site. But, the only way to reliably determine whether ANY
> substance is
> harmful to health is to feed it to the population in question, within
> the
> limits of a controlled study, as is done with new medicines. "
>
> Yes, I'm sure a lot of people have been used in controlled studies and
> fed things like the plastics that are used for food containers,
> aluminum foil, carpet cleaner, lysol, room deodorizer, fantasik spray
> cleaner, soaps used for washing dishes..... Get the idea?
>

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> fed things like the plastics that are used for food containers,
> aluminum foil, carpet cleaner, lysol, room deodorizer, fantasik spray
> cleaner, soaps used for washing dishes.....

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> Yes, I'm sure a lot of people have been used in controlled studies and
>
>
> "None of the products you just mentioned are designed to kill things. "
>
>
> Last time I checked, Lysol contains chemicals specifically designed to
> kill germs on contact. So do many of the new soaps used for cleaning
> dishes. Any of those been put through tests where humans eat them?
> Doooh, there goes that argument! And since when does not being
> specifically designed to kill things mean that something is
> automatically safe? I don't think gasoline was designed to kill things
> either, but I wouldn't drink it.
>

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> Yes, I'm sure a lot of people have been used in controlled studies

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>
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>
> "None of the products you just mentioned are designed to kill

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>
>
> Last time I checked, Lysol contains chemicals specifically designed

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> kill germs on contact. So do many of the new soaps used for

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> dishes. Any of those been put through tests where humans eat

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> Doooh, there goes that argument! And since when does not being
> specifically designed to kill things mean that something is
> automatically safe? I don't think gasoline was designed to kill

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> either, but I wouldn't drink it.
>

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> Type "2,4-D" to Google. The first thing it found was http://www.24d.org/
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> Lysol is a neurotoxin.
>

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>
> Regarding the short bus comment, most civilized people find remarks
> like that directed at handicapped people offensive, but coming from
> you, it's no surprise.
>
> "And while we're at it, how old are you? Your age is crucial to this
> discussion. "
>
> Old enough to know a bigoted moron when I see one.
>

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> "OK - Lysol. If you use that in a place where your kids are likely to
> be
> rolling around and making constant skin contact, like a lawn, you are
> an
> idiot and your kids should be taken away from you and placed in a home
> with
> parents who didn't take the short bus to school. "
>
> So it's ok to spray lysol around inside the house, in confined places
> like the bathroom, or in musty clothes closets, where its' typically
> used, but not ok to use on the lawn. Glad you cleared that up for us.
> At least now you recogize that there are a lot of products used in and
> around the home that haven't been tested by feeding them to humans, as
> you require to prove safety.
>
> Regarding the short bus comment, most civilized people find remarks
> like that directed at handicapped people offensive, but coming from
> you, it's no surprise.
>
> "And while we're at it, how old are you? Your age is crucial to this
> discussion. "
>
> Old enough to know a bigoted moron when I see one.
>

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> "OK - Lysol. If you use that in a place where your kids are likely to
> be
> rolling around and making constant skin contact, like a lawn, you are
> an
> idiot and your kids should be taken away from you and placed in a home
> with
> parents who didn't take the short bus to school. "
>
> So it's ok to spray lysol around inside the house, in confined places
> like the bathroom, or in musty clothes closets, where its' typically
> used, but not ok to use on the lawn. Glad you cleared that up for us.
> At least now you recogize that there are a lot of products used in and
> around the home that haven't been tested by feeding them to humans, as
> you require to prove safety.

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>
> "Stubby" <William.Plummer-NOSPAM-@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:TZCdnWt7MdPxg13fRVn-qg@comcast.com...
>
> Good site. But, the only way to reliably determine whether ANY substance
> is
> harmful to health is to feed it to the population in question, within the
> limits of a controlled study, as is done with new medicines. So, these
> products cannot be tested. Sorry.
>

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> "OK - Lysol. If you use that in a place where your kids are likely to
> be
> rolling around and making constant skin contact, like a lawn, you are
> an
> idiot and your kids should be taken away from you and placed in a home
> with
> parents who didn't take the short bus to school. "
>
> So it's ok to spray lysol around inside the house, in confined places
> like the bathroom, or in musty clothes closets, where its' typically
> used, but not ok to use on the lawn. Glad you cleared that up for us.
> At least now you recogize that there are a lot of products used in and
> around the home that haven't been tested by feeding them to humans, as
> you require to prove safety.
>
> Regarding the short bus comment, most civilized people find remarks
> like that directed at handicapped people offensive, but coming from
> you, it's no surprise.
>
> "And while we're at it, how old are you? Your age is crucial to this
> discussion. "
>
> Old enough to know a bigoted moron when I see one.

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> "Jo" <jocohen@comcast.net> wrote:
> Is that a pre or post emergent?

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>
> <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:1119986461.140558.186100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Aw, c'mon. Does proving one's point have to include snipping at each
> other?
> I'm the first to admit that I enjoy wisecracks, sarcasm and snappy reparte
> among close friends, but it doesn't work here.
>
> Suzy O, self-appointed resident proxy mom
>
>

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>
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_aVve.263$9g.91@news02.roc.ny...
> From here, the Extension Toxicology Network (ExToxNet), it appears it has
> been tested, including on humans: http://extoxnet.orst.edu/pips/24-D.htm.
> This, by the way, is usually where I get my pesticide info.
>
> Suzy O
>
>