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Cost of water for hot summer
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| i am hoping someone can give me an approx cost (or possible litres) for
this.....
I have a property in Turkey so hot summers from may to end of October and
very little rain during those months in fact probably no rain for 3 of those
months.
Costs vary from country to country so possibly could somone give me an idea
of how many litres of water it would take to keep a lawn green during the
summer months, it is a course type grass and not to `bowling green` or `golf
course` standard.
the lawn is approx 680 sq feet (75 sq metres)
I only use the propery for 5 weeks of the year and wondering about the costs
of watering as opposed to getting some gravel chips put down, as it might be
too expensive to maintain the lawn.
thanks
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| Warren 2005-06-29, 6:26 pm |
| Scudo wrote:
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>i am hoping someone can give me an approx cost (or possible litres) for
> this.....
>
> I have a property in Turkey so hot summers from may to end of October and
> very little rain during those months in fact probably no rain for 3 of
> those
> months.
>
> Costs vary from country to country so possibly could somone give me an
> idea
> of how many litres of water it would take to keep a lawn green during the
> summer months, it is a course type grass and not to `bowling green` or
> `golf
> course` standard.
>
> the lawn is approx 680 sq feet (75 sq metres)
>
> I only use the propery for 5 weeks of the year and wondering about the
> costs
> of watering as opposed to getting some gravel chips put down, as it might
> be
> too expensive to maintain the lawn.
Well, let's say you want to put down 3cm of water per week, and you're not
loosing significant amounts to leakage, run-off (from poor draining soil),
evaporation (you're not watering in the heat of the sun), or forgetting to
turn off the water once enough is delivered, and, of course, a reasonably
even distribution. 75 sq meters is 750,000 sq cm. Make it 3cm deep and you
have 2,250,000 cubic cm per week. Multiply that times 20 weeks and you get
45,000,000 cubic cm, or 4,500 cubic meters. There are 1,000 liters in a
cubic meter, so that would be 4,500,000 liters a season.
--
Warren H.
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| Dan J.S. 2005-06-29, 6:26 pm |
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"Warren" <wholzem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Scudo wrote:
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> Well, let's say you want to put down 3cm of water per week, and you're not
> loosing significant amounts to leakage, run-off (from poor draining soil),
> evaporation (you're not watering in the heat of the sun), or forgetting to
> turn off the water once enough is delivered, and, of course, a reasonably
> even distribution. 75 sq meters is 750,000 sq cm. Make it 3cm deep and you
> have 2,250,000 cubic cm per week. Multiply that times 20 weeks and you get
> 45,000,000 cubic cm, or 4,500 cubic meters. There are 1,000 liters in a
> cubic meter, so that would be 4,500,000 liters a season.
>
> --
> Warren H.
I think there is something wrong with this calculation... a lawn that small
would be a lake if you watered it with 4.5 million liters a season...
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| Warren 2005-06-30, 4:26 am |
| Dan J.S. wrote:
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> "Warren" <wholzem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think there is something wrong with this calculation... a lawn that
> small would be a lake if you watered it with 4.5 million liters a
> season...
You're right. I made a mistake converting back from cubic centimeters to
cubic meters that resulted in a 100-fold mistake! (Mark your calendars,
folks. I'm admitting to a mistake.)
Let's try it again then.
1 meter equals 100 centimeters. 1 square meter equals 100 centimeters x 100
centimeters, or 10,000 square centimeters.
Take that 10,000 square centimeters, and make it 3 centimeters deep, and you
get 30,000 centimeters.
You don't just have 1 square meter, you have 75 of them, so 30,000 x 75 =
2,250,000 cubic centimeters.
There are May to October is 5 months. Go with 4 weeks per month, and that's
20 weeks, or 20 times you have to put down 2,250,000 cubic centimeters of
water. That's a total of 45,000,000 cubic centimeters.
A cubic meter would be 100cm x 100cm x 100cm, or 1,000,000 cubic
centimeters. So 45,000,000 cubic centimeters is 45 cubic meters. (This is
where I made my mistake the first time.)
There are 1,000 liters in a cubic meter, so 45,000 liters is the correct
answer.
To check that for reasonableness, let's try the English measurements. He
stated 680 sq. feet, and I'll use 1.2 inches instead of just the standard 1
inch because that's closer to 3 cm.
There are 144 square inches in a square foot, so 680 square feet is 97,920
square inches. Make that 1.2 inches deep, and we have 117,504 cubic inches.
Times 20 weeks we have 2,350,080 cubic inches for the season. There are
about 231 cubic inches in a gallon, so that's about 10,174 gallons for the
season.
Very roughly speaking, there are 4 liters in a gallon, so 10,174 x 4 =
40,696, which is in the same ballpark as the 45,000 liters we came up with
in the other calculation, so now we've got some reasonable numbers.
To put this further in perspective, the area being spoken about, if it were
square, would be about 26 x 26 feet. Over 10,000 gallons of water are needed
for a 26 x 26 foot lawn. My water rate is $1.83/cubic foot. There are 1,728
cubic inches in a cubic foot, so 2,350,080 cubic inches is 1,360 cubic feet.
So if I had to water a 26 x 26 foot lawn every week for five months, it
would cost me almost $2,500 a year.
Even without figuring in anything for fertilizer, gas (or electricity) for a
lawn mower, or anything for the labor involved, that means a 26 x 26 foot
lawn is a pretty darn expensive luxury unless you get lots of help from
Mother Nature, or let it go dormant.
Thankfully where I live I only need to water about 1/3 that many weeks, with
Mother Nature handling the rest. And I let my back and side lawns go
dormant. That means I only water a small front lawn. I water with a timer,
so I water before dawn so there's less evaporation, and the timer means I'll
never forget to turn it off, either. So I don't have to spend anywhere near
$2,500 a year, but I have neighbors who try to keep a large, monolithic
lawn, and they complain about how their summer water bill is more than their
winter gas bill.
Lawns are expensive. Very expensive if Mother Nature isn't chipping in a big
share!
--
Warren H.
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Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Have an outdoor project? Get a Black & Decker power tool::
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/
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| me@privacy.net 2005-06-30, 12:26 pm |
| >I have a property in Turkey
Why Turkey?
What's it like there?
Safe?
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| >I have a property in Turkey
Why Turkey? Cheap prices compared to Uk
What's it like there? Warm climate & friendly race of people
Safe? one of the lowest crime rates of any country
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> Why Turkey?
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> What's it like there?
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> Safe?
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| G Henslee 2005-06-30, 6:26 pm |
| Scudo wrote:
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> Why Turkey? Cheap prices compared to Uk
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> What's it like there? Warm climate & friendly race of people
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> Safe? one of the lowest crime rates of any country
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If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, would Greese help?
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| Doubt it they would slide all over the place!
"G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
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> Scudo wrote:
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> If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, would Greese help?
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| me@privacy.net 2005-06-30, 6:26 pm |
| >Why Turkey? Cheap prices compared to Uk
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>What's it like there? Warm climate & friendly race of people
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>Safe? one of the lowest crime rates of any country
OK
Reason I ask is.... the company I work for has been
kicking around the idea of building a steel plating
facility. And we were talking abt Turkey just
yesterday
Then I came across your post abt owning land there and
the timing was kind of freaky!!
Where at in Turkey?
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| - Tom - 2005-06-30, 6:26 pm |
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"Scudo" <me@nospam.fictional> wrote in message
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quote:
>i am hoping someone can give me an approx cost (or possible litres) for
> this.....
>
> I have a property in Turkey so hot summers from may to end of October and
> very little rain during those months in fact probably no rain for 3 of
> those
> months.
>
> Costs vary from country to country so possibly could somone give me an
> idea
> of how many litres of water it would take to keep a lawn green during the
> summer months, it is a course type grass and not to `bowling green` or
> `golf
> course` standard.
>
> the lawn is approx 680 sq feet (75 sq metres)
>
> I only use the propery for 5 weeks of the year and wondering about the
> costs
> of watering as opposed to getting some gravel chips put down, as it might
> be
> too expensive to maintain the lawn.
>
> thanks
>
>
Can't help you right now but I'll put in an email to my BIL, the
architect, in Izmir and ask him.
--
Tom
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| Thanks Tom would appreciate that.
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We have place near to Altinkum and compared to Scotland it is safer and
cheaper. Once people from the UK get established I am sure it will slowly
change for the worst.
"- Tom -" <octothorpe_@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Scudo" <me@nospam.fictional> wrote in message
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and[vbcol=seagreen]
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> Can't help you right now but I'll put in an email to my BIL, the
> architect, in Izmir and ask him.
>
> --
> Tom
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| I would imagine with cheap labour costs it could be an option, If you are
starting a new company there you will to need check this out as I think
there must be a turkish person involved in the ownership. Also there are
strict rules with regard to work permits for foreigners they will only issue
if a turk can`t do the work. All this probably applies more to small
business as I am sure they would welcome the thought of major investment in
their country. Land ownership has just recently been revised, its ok for
villas etc but the amount of larger areas has been restricted due to
countries buying large tracts (thousands of acres) this put the wind up them
so they then restricted the amount.
<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> OK
>
> Reason I ask is.... the company I work for has been
> kicking around the idea of building a steel plating
> facility. And we were talking abt Turkey just
> yesterday
>
> Then I came across your post abt owning land there and
> the timing was kind of freaky!!
>
> Where at in Turkey?
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| me@privacy.net 2005-07-01, 4:26 am |
| >I would imagine with cheap labour costs it could be an option, If you are
quote:
>starting a new company there you will to need check this out as I think
>there must be a turkish person involved in the ownership.
We actually have some Turks coming to our plant in a
few weeks to check out just such a joint adventure.
I assumed that Turkey was still a very dangerous place.
Like Iraq.
I take it I'm mistaken abt that?
Again....I'm just a lowly employee here at work. Not
involved in any decision making.
Was just coincidental I came across your post abt
owning land in Turkey since we've had this talk around
work abt a Turkish facility!! <G>
I admit that I know VERY little abt Turkey. Hopefully
I will learn more form this conversation.
Mind if I ask HOW you bought land there? Did you just
happen to take a trip there and like it?
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| Tom R. 2005-07-06, 12:25 pm |
| Seems like they're not answering email right now. I'll get back to you
when I get an answer.
Tom
"Scudo" <me@nospam.fictional> wrote in message
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> We have place near to Altinkum and compared to Scotland it is safer and
> cheaper. Once people from the UK get established I am sure it will slowly
> change for the worst.
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> "- Tom -" <octothorpe_@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> the
> might
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| Tom R. 2005-08-21, 6:21 am |
| Well, I'm in Turkey and I asked my BIL about it. He said that he uses a
"Uganda" strain of grass. It requires sunlight and little or no shade. He
uses about a quarter inch of water every day on an area of ~100 sq. meters.
You can do your own calculations and decide if it is affordable or not.
Tom
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> Seems like they're not answering email right now. I'll get back to you
> when I get an answer.
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> Tom
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