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Bermuda Grass seeding
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| crabshell 2007-04-20, 8:25 pm |
| An area of my St Augustine lawn cooked last summer and died. I raked the
dead grass up and planted Bermuda seed. How long does it take to show
evidence of growth? It's been a week and nothing much has happened. Yes,
between rain and watering the soil has been kept moist.
Thanks for any advice,
crabshell
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| "crabshell" <crabshell@nottoohotmale.com> wrote in message
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> An area of my St Augustine lawn cooked last summer and died. I raked the
> dead grass up and planted Bermuda seed. How long does it take to show
> evidence of growth? It's been a week and nothing much has happened. Yes,
> between rain and watering the soil has been kept moist.
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> Thanks for any advice,
> crabshell
Lucky day for you. I've been working on getting Bermuda (Sahara version)
grass from seed since middle of March. Here's what I've seen:
Ten days or so, have to look along the bare soil almost a ground level to
see some "needles" popping from the soil. Overhead, will see nothing.
Obvious sprouts around 3 weeks. Not all seed will sprout at the same time.
Some slower than others. My take of what's going on is there must be a "dry
spell" of a few days for germination to occur. Then, feast and famine water
afterwards. Don't keep it drowned. Promotes root growth letting up on the
water a day or two. Water the grass in the evening around the time the sun
goes down.
How do you rake up St. Augustine? Hopefully you meant a bow rake.
My St. Augustine was miserable last year. Thought all was dead. Its
finally making a comeback last week or so.
Bermuda grass here is on virgin soil I brought in. Front yard was primarily
rock and caliche. 6" of soil seems to have done wonders.
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Dave
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"Dave" <killurpc@smacksofvirii.net> wrote in message
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> "crabshell" <crabshell@nottoohotmale.com> wrote in message
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> Lucky day for you. I've been working on getting Bermuda (Sahara version)
> grass from seed since middle of March. Here's what I've seen:
> Ten days or so, have to look along the bare soil almost a ground level to
> see some "needles" popping from the soil. Overhead, will see nothing.
> Obvious sprouts around 3 weeks. Not all seed will sprout at the same
> time. Some slower than others. My take of what's going on is there must
> be a "dry spell" of a few days for germination to occur. Then, feast and
> famine water afterwards. Don't keep it drowned. Promotes root growth
> letting up on the water a day or two. Water the grass in the evening
> around the time the sun goes down.
bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet by
watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.
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| Eggs Zachtly 2007-04-21, 1:25 pm |
| Bud said:
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> bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
> you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet by
> watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.
Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.
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Eggs
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"Eggs Zachtly" <re@d.thereplyto.header> wrote in message
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> Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.
learned that one the hard way.
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| Steveo 2007-04-21, 5:25 pm |
| "Bud" <Bud@bud.bud> wrote:
> "Eggs Zachtly" <re@d.thereplyto.header> wrote in message
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> learned that one the hard way.
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Water in the evening is still better than no water at all.
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| Eggs Zachtly 2007-04-21, 8:25 pm |
| Steveo said:
> "Bud" <Bud@bud.bud> wrote:
> Water in the evening is still better than no water at all.
Hell ya. But, I wouldn't do it as my scheduled watering time. =)
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aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine
providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your
king!
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| "Eggs Zachtly" <re@d.thereplyto.header> wrote in message
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> Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.
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> Eggs
How cum I didn't see any fungus or mold or any other similar growth here?
Maybe the coolness of the weather is my guess. I relied mostly on natural
rain/drizzle most of the time.
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Dave
Apathy and denial are close cousins
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| "Bud" <Bud@bud.bud> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <killurpc@smacksofvirii.net> wrote in message
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> bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
> you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet
> by watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.
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So you take off work for a few weeks to keep the ground wet strictly in the
morning by renewing moisture 2-3 times at that time of day? Now I really
don't understand keeping the soil wet in only the morning. What about the
heat of the late afternoon drying stuff up, then the ground/soil is dry all
night? Seed generally germinate overnight. Is morning here right after
midnight, at sunrise, when the sun creeps over the trees to provide direct
sunlight? Your area, and the backpatters agreeing with you must live in a
terribly humid environment to have all that trouble with "pesky" mold and
stuff. Never seen algae grow but in standing water. You guys must not
irrigate, but drown instead. Unless of course your soil has poor drainage.
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Dave
Apathy and denial are close cousins
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| Eggs Zachtly 2007-04-22, 9:25 am |
| Dave said:
> "Bud" <Bud@bud.bud> wrote in message
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> So you take off work for a few weeks to keep the ground wet strictly in the
> morning by renewing moisture 2-3 times at that time of day?
Ever hear of a timer, smartass?
> Now I really don't understand keeping the soil wet in only the morning.
Which is evident by your posts about watering lawns, your knowledge of
Bermuda grass germination habits, and about turfgrass management in
general.
It's not about "keeping the soil wet only in the morning". It's about
giving the exposed parts of the plant (which don't need the water on them
at all), the rest of the day to dry off. If you've watered properly, the
soil won't be dry by nightfall, except on the surface. But, the exposed
parts of the plant will be dry, which is the way they like.
> What about the
> heat of the late afternoon drying stuff up, then the ground/soil is dry all
> night?
You must have missed the part about watering 2-3 times a day until it
germinates. And, if your lawn is dry by afternoon, then you aren't giving a
thorough watering, rather just wetting the surface.
> Seed generally germinate overnight.
Overnight? Bermuda seed won't germinate until the soil has sufficiently
warmed (above 65F). This time of year, it may take a month of warm weather
before the soil temps are right. With Bermuda, it also depends on if the
seed is hulled, or not. You didn't bother to find out that key point,
before you spewed your misinformation and guesses, did you.
> Is morning here right after midnight,
Technically, sure; but not for watering purposes.
> at sunrise,
Now you're talking!
> when the sun creeps over the trees to provide direct sunlight?
Were that the case, I suppose it's never morning in the jungle, huh?
> Your area, and the backpatters agreeing with you must live in a
> terribly humid environment to have all that trouble with "pesky" mold and
> stuff.
Unless you're living in a very arid climate, fungus /will/ grow if you keep
watering at night. Mold /will/ grow if you continue to water at night. It's
only a matter of time. You're probably not diligent enough to recognize a
fungal/mold/disease problem in turfgrass, anyway. I suppose that if you
don't recognize something, it can't possibly exist.
> Never seen algae grow but in standing water.
That may be the first tidbit you've mentioned, that held some truth to it.
Your first reply was full of misinformation and guesses, yet you seem to
think you're some sort of irrigation/turfgrass specialist. What education
have you received, that qualifies your watering schedule above the industry
standards for turfgrass management?
You'll see golf courses water at night. They can't very well water during
the day, when the course is full of golfers, now can they? They also put
down thousands of dollars in fungicides on a regular basis. Ask any of them
though, and they'll /ALL/ tell you that they'd much rather irrigate in the
daytime. I'm sure if you ask politely, they'll tell you why.
> You guys must not irrigate, but drown instead.
You must not understand irrigation and plant needs at all.
> Unless of course your soil has poor drainage.
Unless of course you're another of Stubby's siblings, which seem to
frequent this place.
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Eggs
-A little bit of pain never hurt anyone
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Eggs Zachtly wrote:
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> You'll see golf courses water at night. They can't very well water during
> the day, when the course is full of golfers, now can they? They also put
> down thousands of dollars in fungicides on a regular basis. Ask any of them
> though, and they'll /ALL/ tell you that they'd much rather irrigate in the
> daytime. I'm sure if you ask politely, they'll tell you why.
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I know this would be extremely mean, hateful and down right
ugly but I just can't seem to put the idea, of turning on the
golf course irrigation system while the course is full of golfers,
out of my mind. watching them scurry around so as to avoid being
irrigated would be pretty funny but the real LOL would be watching
them lodge their complaints with management.
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| Eggs Zachtly 2007-04-22, 5:25 pm |
| Jim said:
> Eggs Zachtly wrote:
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> I know this would be extremely mean, hateful and down right
> ugly but I just can't seem to put the idea, of turning on the
> golf course irrigation system while the course is full of golfers,
> out of my mind. watching them scurry around so as to avoid being
> irrigated would be pretty funny but the real LOL would be watching
> them lodge their complaints with management.
Oh, it happens. All of our heads can be put up remotely, via a keypad on
our radios. Once in a while the wrong number gets pushed, inadvertently.
They /do/ scurry, but rarely XXXXX about it. It's only a matter of seconds
before the head can be put back down, so they don't that all /that/ wet.
=)
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Eggs
Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone.
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| Clay, poor drainage. Already thought that. Thought it odd all the
backpatters had similar soil.
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Dave
Apathy and denial are close cousins
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> "Eggs Zachtly" <re@d.thereplyto.header> wrote in message
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> I'm no pro but I had some stuff that I thought was an algael [sp] scum for
> awhile till I stopped water at nite and watered less than other areas, and
> got some yearly aeration, now its as good as it gets. there is a lot of
> clay in that area too.
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"Dave" <killurpc@smacksofvirii.net> wrote in message
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> The guy was trying to get the grass to germinate and sprout. You meander
> off to after that fact, not the process. Its been drizzly now for almost
> a week here. Very humid. No sign of any the the "bad things" you cited.
> Germinated, sprouted, and grass that's been going for a few weeks from
> seed. You are full of it from what I observe here vs. what you say.
Wow, so u have a whole weeks experience with turfgrass management? think
those bad things happen ovenite? or in a week or month? u just keep
watering at nite and let us know how it is in a year or 2. I know u won't
since we have straightened u out here, even if u're not man enough to admit
it. you're wellcome butpacker
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| Eggs Zachtly 2007-04-24, 3:25 am |
| Dave said:
> The guy was trying to get the grass to germinate and sprout. You meander
> off to after that fact, not the process.
And, you popped in as though you're the end-all of grass seed germination,
and the High Priestess of Bermuda. In the same paragraph, you showed that
you don't know shit about Bermuda, be it seed, germination, or watering
needs. Your "take" on what was happening was so far off it's quite
pathetic.
> Its been drizzly now for almost a
> week here. Very humid. No sign of any the the "bad things" you cited.
And, you would know how to recognize the "bad things"... how exactly? I'm
positive you wouldn't recognize a mycelium if it jumped up and bit you in
the XXX. Most likely, your "take" would be that it was just part of the
thatch.
> Germinated, sprouted, and grass that's been going for a few weeks from seed.
Good for you. Keep watering all the time in the evening, and come back here
mid summer and spew some more of your drivel. Please, put some pics of the
area, online, at that time. I'm sure there are several here that would love
to see how your lawn is coming along.
> You are full of it from what I observe here vs. what you say.
What you observe is meaningless. You've already stated how you percieve
what's happening with grass seed germination. Your continuing stand on your
beliefs shows just how much of an imbecille you actually are.
> Consider writing a book on the non-existence of global warming per
> your charming replies.
Nah, no need. If you don't believe in fungus in turf, you're a lost cause
to convince that global warming is a fact. Hell, you can't even quote a
newsgroup post properly, much less maintain proper lawn care. (Hint- the
quoted message doesn't go behind the sig delimiter.) Get a cloo, dumbass.
*w00giewave*
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Eggs
-If a cow laughs hard, does milk come out its nose?
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