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| Steve Wertz 2007-04-09, 5:25 pm |
| This is littering the fences on two sides of the back yard at
work. Anybody know what it is? I know that's Virgina creeper in
parts of the pic, but was wondering what the other stuff is.
http://i16.tinypic.com/2hz0ids.jpg
-sw
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| Catbird 2007-04-09, 5:25 pm |
| "Steve Wertz" <swertz@nocluemail.com> wrote in message
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> This is littering the fences on two sides of the back yard at
> work. Anybody know what it is? I know that's Virgina creeper in
> parts of the pic, but was wondering what the other stuff is.
>
> http://i16.tinypic.com/2hz0ids.jpg
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> -sw
Poison ivy!
--
Catbird
"Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope
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| Steve Wertz 2007-04-09, 5:25 pm |
| On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:34:35 -0500, Catbird wrote:
> "Steve Wertz" <swertz@nocluemail.com> wrote in message
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> Poison ivy!
I've never seen it grow as an ivy before; only ground cover and
single plants.
But.. that's what I was afraid of. I'll make cure to use real
toilet paper from now on. Or at least the Virginia creeper.
-sw
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| WoolyGooly 2007-04-09, 5:25 pm |
| On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:08:44 -0500, Steve Wertz
<swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>I've never seen it grow as an ivy before; only ground cover and
>single plants.
>
>But.. that's what I was afraid of. I'll make cure to use real
>toilet paper from now on. Or at least the Virginia creeper.
As an FYI, the oils will become aerosol on hot humid days. I've had
poison ivy more than once when I *know* I had no physical contact with
the stuff.
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| cat daddy 2007-04-09, 5:25 pm |
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"Steve Wertz" <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:34:35 -0500, Catbird wrote:
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> I've never seen it grow as an ivy before; only ground cover and
> single plants.
Wait 'til you see it growing as a tree with 3" diameter hairy stalks. I
spent four days volunteering at a local park clearing such beasts out of the
fenceline.
By the way, even though I'm an organic gardener, at times like that I
chucked my morals and used an herbicide made by Bonide called BK-32 Brush
Killer to get the remnants. It killed the ivy (slowly, but gets the roots)
and didn't kill the grass or any other surrounding plantlife, including some
other woody vines. It claims to be "safe" for animals once it dries. Lesser
of the Roundup evils and all that.
I'd tried horticultural vinegar and it didn't work and the fumes were very
dangerous and noxious.
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| Steve Wertz 2007-04-10, 3:25 am |
| On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:24:24 -0500, WoolyGooly wrote:
> As an FYI, the oils will become aerosol on hot humid days. I've had
> poison ivy more than once when I *know* I had no physical contact with
> the stuff.
That's exactly what I was gonna ask next. I was never allergic
to anything skin-wise. I could roll around in this stuff when I
was a kid and nothing ever happened.
But now as soon as I get to work, and work up any kind of sweat,
even in the office right inside that door where I took the pics,
I get itchy. I've broken out in several spots.
I never really looked at it until now. The vines are pretty
thick. It's mixed in with mostly V.Creeper and Whisteria.
Thanks. I picked up a bottle of RoundUp tonight. I'm gonna nuke
everything (except that dog you see in pic #3).
-sw
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| Steve Wertz 2007-04-10, 3:25 am |
| On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:24:24 -0500, WoolyGooly wrote:
> As an FYI, the oils will become aerosol on hot humid days. I've had
> poison ivy more than once when I *know* I had no physical contact with
> the stuff.
FWIW, This stuff was super-active this morning. Several of us
broke out, even though it was about 50F.
Our office is at 183/Calahans (Thompson Lane), and the whole back
yards of Montopolis Supply is complete PI and V.Creeper, it
seems. It's a low-land natural swamp back there.
It's times like this when I appreciate the man-made recharge
run-off zones. At least we don't have fire ants anywhere.
-sw
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| cat daddy 2007-04-10, 3:25 am |
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"Steve Wertz" <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:24:24 -0500, WoolyGooly wrote:
>
>
> That's exactly what I was gonna ask next. I was never allergic
> to anything skin-wise. I could roll around in this stuff when I
> was a kid and nothing ever happened.
>
> But now as soon as I get to work, and work up any kind of sweat,
> even in the office right inside that door where I took the pics,
> I get itchy. I've broken out in several spots.
>
> I never really looked at it until now. The vines are pretty
> thick. It's mixed in with mostly V.Creeper and Whisteria.
>
> Thanks. I picked up a bottle of RoundUp tonight. I'm gonna nuke
> everything (except that dog you see in pic #3).
Before you do that, you should read this and get your money back:
http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/control.html
Roundup only kills the leaves and not the roots and requires
re-application. It kills everything it touches, and being near water, is
really a bad idea. You get quick dead leaves (instant gratification) which
makes you think it's better, but it's not.
The stuff I mentioned in the other message, is absorbed and kills the
roots, but it takes a while and is very thorough. It won't get taken up by
tree roots, like Roundup, and won't kill grass and other things. Your
choice.
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| cat daddy wrote:
> "Steve Wertz" <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> news:32qkdu6bi1ff$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
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>
>
> Wait 'til you see it growing as a tree with 3" diameter hairy stalks. I
> spent four days volunteering at a local park clearing such beasts out of the
> fenceline.
> By the way, even though I'm an organic gardener, at times like that I
> chucked my morals and used an herbicide made by Bonide called BK-32 Brush
> Killer to get the remnants. It killed the ivy (slowly, but gets the roots)
> and didn't kill the grass or any other surrounding plantlife, including some
> other woody vines. It claims to be "safe" for animals once it dries. Lesser
> of the Roundup evils and all that.
> I'd tried horticultural vinegar and it didn't work and the fumes were very
> dangerous and noxious.
>
>
Can you put out a link or two to bona fide "Roundup evils" websites. I
mean ones that seem objective rather than at either end of the pendulum
swing. All I can find is the typical soapboxing "we're right, you're
wrong" stuff.
BTW, one of the labs busted in the early 90's for falsifying data on
pesticide testing (Roundup included) was right here in Austin - Craven
Labs on Longhorn Blvd. The machine/sheet metal shop I worked for used to
make some parts for their gas chromagraph equipment. The owner, Don
Craven, was my customer and I always felt he had an exceptionally
appropriate last name when I dealt with him. He was extremely cheap (not
thrifty) so the busting of his lab was not too big of a surprise. Talk
about your karma - he got 5 years and millions in fines.
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| Catbird wrote:
> "Steve Wertz" <swertz@nocluemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1evmxjh60f56r.dlg@sqwertz.com...
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>
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> Poison ivy!
>
Virginia creeper = palmate leaves
Poison ivy = pinnate leaves
BTW, poison ivy has some of the best fall color- bright red and
red/orange. It beats out Virginia creeper on that count. When you're
driving along and see a tree with a blazing red vine on it in the fall
then you may want to not go pick the leaves for your collections ;-)
If you kill it off remember the remnants still contain the cootie
elements for some time - vine removal with gloves that are thrown away
is my advice. All put in a sealed trash bag to protect the garbage
collectors.
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| Steve Wertz 2007-04-10, 3:25 am |
| On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:04:35 -0500, cat daddy wrote:
> "Steve Wertz" <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> news:1gzr99tqt88xy$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>
> Before you do that, you should read this and get your money back:
I have a huge back yard (at home), and a front yard of gravel and
ties, with some herbs. RoundUp has proved successful at home.
> http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/control.html
>
> Roundup only kills the leaves and not the roots and requires
> re-application. It kills everything it touches, and being near water, is
> really a bad idea. You get quick dead leaves (instant gratification) which
> makes you think it's better, but it's not.
> The stuff I mentioned in the other message, is absorbed and kills the
> roots, but it takes a while and is very thorough. It won't get taken up by
> tree roots, like Roundup, and won't kill grass and other things. Your
> choice.
From what I've witnessed, the RoundUp, when applied during
sunlight and before seeding, has kept parts of my unmanageable
back yard mostly clean. The stuff in the front yard is easy to
get rid of as it's gravel except for the walkways. It has never
harmed anything around it. And it does go to the roots when
applied during sunlight - three days later.
I've never tried it on ivy, though. I know it'll kill a small
Chinese pear tree, given time and a few applications (stump is
another problem - that comes back. They always come back.)
This problem is where I work. I spend almost 3X as much time
there than I do at home and it's a very industrial area. I have
no sympathy for anything in the area, excpet the dog next door.
The VC and PI has even choked out the whisteria, the latter of
which I will try and preserve. We have a great trellis and
canopy at the office, but we saw few flowers this year.
I don't care what happens to any of the ivies at work.
-sw
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| cat daddy 2007-04-10, 3:25 am |
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"jOhN" <us271934SPAMNYET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> cat daddy wrote:
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> Can you put out a link or two to bona fide "Roundup evils" websites. I
> mean ones that seem objective rather than at either end of the pendulum
> swing. All I can find is the typical soapboxing "we're right, you're
> wrong" stuff.
Most objective sites, like state or university extension services, don't
make subjective evaluations. But, glyphosate is non-selective and I would
prefer not to kill everything just to get rid of poison ivy. I only used
Bonide Brush Killer, BK-32 concentrate (from Callahan's, about $12 for the
small bottle), one time and it wiped out the ivy without killing anything
else. This was a massive and old infestation (3" vines growing 50' into the
tree canopy), with lots of roots, about 200' x 10'. Roundup doesn't get the
roots as evidenced at the poison ivy link below, which has other links, as
well.
Also, Bonide Poison Oak & Ivy Killer is *not* the same, as it contains
dicamba which "... is known to remain active in the soil for several weeks
to a few months. It is also quite mobile in the soil where it can contact
and be taken up by nearby roots of non-target plants sharing the same soil
root zone."
http://www.extension.umn.edu/yardan...N-Sept1505.html
http://www.bonideproducts.com/
"This powerful, non-volatile formulation works on over 70 of the toughest
weed species, yet is harmless to grass. It stays where you spray, without
danger of vapor damage or root uptake of surrounding trees and ornamentals."
http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/control.html
Editor: It is true that you might have to re-apply round-up but it will
eventually kill poison ivy completely as I now have acres of no poison ivy
to prove it. I have had to repeat my applications up to 3 times on some very
resilient plants over a summer.
> BTW, one of the labs busted in the early 90's for falsifying data on
> pesticide testing (Roundup included) was right here in Austin - Craven
> Labs on Longhorn Blvd. The machine/sheet metal shop I worked for used to
> make some parts for their gas chromagraph equipment. The owner, Don
> Craven, was my customer and I always felt he had an exceptionally
> appropriate last name when I dealt with him. He was extremely cheap (not
> thrifty) so the busting of his lab was not too big of a surprise. Talk
> about your karma - he got 5 years and millions in fines.
That news pleases me for some reason. Imagine, falsifying pesticide data.
He should be made to drink it. I initially searched for anything that
wouldn't give dollars to Monsanto, which is why tried Bonide's stuff. As I
mentioned, I garden organically and just pull the few poison ivy vines
around my house, but this was at a park and the vines were bordering the
I-35 access road, so the moral dilemma became a relative thing. My friends
were getting rashes, I'm immune, so I spent four days clearing the major
vines by hand and didn't want to continually do it.
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| cat daddy 2007-04-10, 3:25 am |
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"Steve Wertz" <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
news:1qj2h0mhboei5$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:04:35 -0500, cat daddy wrote:
>
>
> I have a huge back yard (at home), and a front yard of gravel and
> ties, with some herbs. RoundUp has proved successful at home.
>
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>
> From what I've witnessed, the RoundUp, when applied during
> sunlight and before seeding, has kept parts of my unmanageable
> back yard mostly clean. The stuff in the front yard is easy to
> get rid of as it's gravel except for the walkways. It has never
> harmed anything around it. And it does go to the roots when
> applied during sunlight - three days later.
>
> I've never tried it on ivy, though.
Well, read the link above and my other post with all the links and see if
you want to re-apply several times to kill it out. Most poison ivy grows in
shade, which is also why the vinegar doesn't work. Like glyphosate, it only
burns the active growing parts and does not go to the roots.
>I know it'll kill a small
> Chinese pear tree, given time and a few applications (stump is
> another problem - that comes back. They always come back.)
>
> This problem is where I work. I spend almost 3X as much time
> there than I do at home and it's a very industrial area. I have
> no sympathy for anything in the area, excpet the dog next door.
>
> The VC and PI has even choked out the whisteria, the latter of
> which I will try and preserve. We have a great trellis and
> canopy at the office, but we saw few flowers this year.
>
> I don't care what happens to any of the ivies at work.
>
> -sw
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| WoolyGooly 2007-04-10, 9:25 am |
| On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:34:15 GMT, Steve Wertz
<swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>Thanks. I picked up a bottle of RoundUp tonight. I'm gonna nuke
>everything (except that dog you see in pic #3).
I used Roundup for Woody Plants on some PI that was coming at me from
the neighbor's side of the fence. It comes in a much smaller
safety-capped bottle than the usual "nuke the crabgrass in the
sidewalk cracks" variety of Roundup and you have to mix it yourself.
Worked like a charm.
Better buy some stout bug repellant if you'll be working in that area
all summer, if the skeetas on Callahan's back lot are any indicator...
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| Omelet 2007-04-10, 9:25 am |
| In article <dmbl139dedef9pp3ifh6fit49r318gv3pi@4ax.com>,
WoolyGooly <boogers@lots.of.snot> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:08:44 -0500, Steve Wertz
> <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>
> As an FYI, the oils will become aerosol on hot humid days. I've had
> poison ivy more than once when I *know* I had no physical contact with
> the stuff.
I feel blessed that I'm immune to both poison ivy and poison oak...
Dad is too. My mom was not.
I presume it's genetic?
--
Peace, Om
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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a XXXXX" -- Jack Nicholson
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| Steve Wertz 2007-04-10, 9:25 pm |
| On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:18:38 -0500, Omelet wrote:
> I feel blessed that I'm immune to both poison ivy and poison oak...
> Dad is too. My mom was not.
I wasn't allergic to them until a few years ago. Like many of my
allergies, they went unrealized until I moved to Texas.
The cedar didn't affect me at all this year, though. That's
every other year.
-sw
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| Omelet 2007-04-11, 9:25 am |
| In article <1fg6h9jnnh1l9.dlg@sqwertz.com>,
Steve Wertz <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:18:38 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
>
> I wasn't allergic to them until a few years ago. Like many of my
> allergies, they went unrealized until I moved to Texas.
Heh. I do SO know that feeling!
It if was feasible, I'd be tempted to move back to Colorado.
Maybe when I win the lottery so I can pay for someone to shovel the
snow. <G>
>
> The cedar didn't affect me at all this year, though. That's
> every other year.
>
> -sw
Cedar did not get me either this year. What really gets to me is Oak
pollen and mold spores. This years allergies have been very mild so far.
1/2 of a generic benadryl and I'm good to go when it gets bad enough to
really bother me.
I think all this rain is keeping the air a bit cleaner.
--
Peace, Om
Remove _ to validate e-mails.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a XXXXX" -- Jack Nicholson
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| Libralove 2007-04-18, 5:25 pm |
| cat daddy wrote:
> "jOhN" <us271934SPAMNYET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NyESh.4550$5e2.3740@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
[...]
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>
> http://www.bonideproducts.com/
> "This powerful, non-volatile formulation works on over 70 of the toughest
> weed species, yet is harmless to grass. It stays where you spray, without
> danger of vapor damage or root uptake of surrounding trees and ornamentals."
>
> http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/control.html
> Editor: It is true that you might have to re-apply round-up but it will
> eventually kill poison ivy completely as I now have acres of no poison ivy
> to prove it. I have had to repeat my applications up to 3 times on some very
> resilient plants over a summer.
>
>
>
> That news pleases me for some reason. Imagine, falsifying pesticide data.
> He should be made to drink it. I initially searched for anything that
> wouldn't give dollars to Monsanto, which is why tried Bonide's stuff. As I
> mentioned, I garden organically and just pull the few poison ivy vines
> around my house, but this was at a park and the vines were bordering the
> I-35 access road, so the moral dilemma became a relative thing. My friends
> were getting rashes, I'm immune, so I spent four days clearing the major
> vines by hand and didn't want to continually do it.
>
No, you surely don't. From working many years in medical publishing I
can tell you one thing I know for a fact, the more you are in closeness
with poison ivy, the more likely it is that you may become sensitized
and become "allergic" to it out of the blue.
This is a common misconception. Just because you are immune to poison
ivy today, does not mean that you will be tomorrow. And that goes for
anything that people are allergic to, including shellfish. Eat too much
of it and one day.... Bam! It gets you. So be warned. It is better if
you wear gloves and keep body areas covered and wash clothes alone in
the washer.
Your body could one day, hit you hard with poison ivy blisters. I am not
allergic NOW either, but I take no chances and protect myself when
pulling it up and bagging it to keep it away from the garbage pickup
men. It can bite when you are least expecting it. Also keep
anti-histamine tablets around for any emergency allergic reaction to
substances.
BTW: If you begin allergic hives on your extremities (from any
substance) and they move to the trunk of the body, you may have only 20
minutes maximum to get to an emergency room, if the anti-histamine tabs
do not stop the allergic process once it begins.
My ex-husband started that process from a fancy Tropicana fruit juice
with passion fruit, pineapple, guava, etc. (every fruit in the forest).
If the 3 anti-histamine tabs I gave him had not stopped the spreading
hives, I would have been a NASCAR driver to the hospital or called an
ambulance. We lived too far out so it would have been the former choice.
Anti-histamines can also help with fire-ant, bee and wasp stings (if we
had any bees left).
Sharon
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| cat daddy 2007-04-18, 5:25 pm |
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"Libralove" <libralove@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> cat daddy wrote:
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> No, you surely don't. From working many years in medical publishing I
> can tell you one thing I know for a fact, the more you are in closeness
> with poison ivy, the more likely it is that you may become sensitized
> and become "allergic" to it out of the blue.
>
> This is a common misconception. Just because you are immune to poison
> ivy today, does not mean that you will be tomorrow. And that goes for
> anything that people are allergic to, including shellfish. Eat too much
> of it and one day.... Bam! It gets you. So be warned. It is better if
> you wear gloves and keep body areas covered and wash clothes alone in
> the washer.
I took those precautions, although I stopped wearing the gloves once they
became soaked with oil during the second day. I did get a tiny rash on my
upper arm under the long sleeves and mostly rolled them up after that
anyway. I did have my eyes swell shut once as a kid, after many brave
episodes of jumping in the vines, so totally immune is not entirely
accurate.
Good information for everyone. Thanks.
> Your body could one day, hit you hard with poison ivy blisters. I am not
> allergic NOW either, but I take no chances and protect myself when
> pulling it up and bagging it to keep it away from the garbage pickup
> men. It can bite when you are least expecting it. Also keep
> anti-histamine tablets around for any emergency allergic reaction to
> substances.
>
> BTW: If you begin allergic hives on your extremities (from any
> substance) and they move to the trunk of the body, you may have only 20
> minutes maximum to get to an emergency room, if the anti-histamine tabs
> do not stop the allergic process once it begins.
>
> My ex-husband started that process from a fancy Tropicana fruit juice
> with passion fruit, pineapple, guava, etc. (every fruit in the forest).
>
> If the 3 anti-histamine tabs I gave him had not stopped the spreading
> hives, I would have been a NASCAR driver to the hospital or called an
> ambulance. We lived too far out so it would have been the former choice.
>
> Anti-histamines can also help with fire-ant, bee and wasp stings (if we
> had any bees left).
>
> Sharon
>
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