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Pay Phone question
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| twfsa 2005-07-12, 11:25 pm |
| I have a pay phone in my home thats does not require coins to make a call.
Do you think that the phone would operate in a home with out coins in the
UK, the same as in the states?
Thanks
Tom
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| G Henslee 2005-07-12, 11:25 pm |
| twfsa wrote:
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> I have a pay phone in my home thats does not require coins to make a call.
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> Do you think that the phone would operate in a home with out coins in the
> UK, the same as in the states?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
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WTF? Hop a flight, cross the pond, hook it up, 'call' when you have time.
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"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
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quote:
>I have a pay phone in my home thats does not require
>coins to make a call.
>
> Do you think that the phone would operate in a home
> with out coins in the UK, the same as in the states?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
Well, yes and no. It might work but it would be
illegal to connect to their telephone network because
it wouldn't have their equivalent of UL, FCC and other
telecom specs. Their telephone networks are quite
different from ours. I used to do international
complaince testing for telecom mfgrs and North American
phones cannot pass their tests, just as their phones
cannot pass our tests. It's not one better than the
other, just different.
HTH
Pop
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| So it would be illegal to plug it into your home phone modular jack in the
UK?
Tom
"Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:F_-dndpqGpfUwknfRVn-tw@usadatanet.net...
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> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:hTXAe.44801$rb6.9376@lakeread07...
> Well, yes and no. It might work but it would be illegal to connect to
> their telephone network because it wouldn't have their equivalent of UL,
> FCC and other telecom specs. Their telephone networks are quite different
> from ours. I used to do international complaince testing for telecom
> mfgrs and North American phones cannot pass their tests, just as their
> phones cannot pass our tests. It's not one better than the other, just
> different.
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> HTH
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> Pop
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| G Your a Fuckin genius,or a Fuckin moron,my guess Moron 
Tom
"G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> twfsa wrote:
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> WTF? Hop a flight, cross the pond, hook it up, 'call' when you have time.
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| On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:11:38 -0500, twfsa wrote:
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> G Your a Fuckin genius,or a Fuckin moron,my guess Moron
And you're an idiot fucking top-posting dipshit. Run along.
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| arizona 2005-07-13, 4:25 am |
| TOP POSTING IS COOL!
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> And you're an idiot fucking top-posting dipshit. Run along.
>
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| G Henslee 2005-07-13, 12:25 pm |
| twfsa wrote:
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> "Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:F_-dndpqGpfUwknfRVn-tw@usadatanet.net...
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[vbcol=seagreen]
> So it would be illegal to plug it into your home phone modular jack
in > the UK?
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> Tom
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Yes. Totally illegal. Get a cell hpone.
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| G Henslee 2005-07-13, 12:25 pm |
| twfsa wrote:
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> "Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:F_-dndpqGpfUwknfRVn-tw@usadatanet.net...
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[vbcol=seagreen]
> So it would be illegal to plug it into your home phone modular jack in the
> UK?
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> Tom
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Nope. Totally legal. Good luck twit.
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"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:1B%Ae.44813$rb6.11403@lakeread07...
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> So it would be illegal to plug it into your home
> phone modular jack in the UK?
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> Tom
Technically, yes, if you got caught. There might be
operational problems too since the UK uses different
ringing frequencies and patterns than we do here. Ring
detection is always the biggest problem manufacturer's
have in their designs. The phone may or may not ring
if it had an electronic ringer, espeically if it were
not designed to allow for multi-country patterns, etc..
It's kind of a long subject, but technically,
depending on where you were in the UK, it -might- work.
Since it's a pay phone, if any of the coin sensors
are still working inside it it's going to have a hefty
REN (Ringer Equivalence Number) also. It's possible
but not necessarily likely it might set off an alarm in
the central office as the phone tries to switch to the
coin ckts. They would definitely have to be disabled.
The brits are more strict with their phone
regulations than we are here in North America. They're
stricter with lots of things. Like over $1,000 to get
a driver's license, a tax called a license, to own a TV
set, which you must be able to produce upon demand,
etc.. The TV thing came about in the war when they
were being turned into transmitters with their parts
and the laws were just never changed - so now it's
actually a tax but the law is still there about the
license, so ... ya get one when you buy a TV.
Lotsa interesting stuff 'cross the pond as they call
it. \
HTH,
Pop
PS Henslee's got a neat set of responses, eh? Guess he
figued to cover both bases; no way he can be wrong with
two conflicting responses.
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> "Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
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"G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
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> twfsa wrote:
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> in > the UK?
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> Yes. Totally illegal. Get a cell hpone.
What's "totally" illegal mean? And a cell phone's not
nearly as neat as having a pay phone hooked up. I have
a credit card phone hooked up here - it even gives the
AT&T Bong (my doing, it's not real). Pay phones are
neat. Long's you don't collect money for them.
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"G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
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> twfsa wrote:
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> Nope. Totally legal. Good luck twit.
Make up your mind, you twit. YOu just said it was
illegal in your other post.
Pay phones in particular have entireley different
electric characteristics than regular phones - but
being ignorant of such things you wouldn't know that
even though you try to put your worthless cents in.
When you have nothing to say, that's what you should
say.
Pop
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| G Henslee 2005-07-13, 6:25 pm |
| Poop wrote:
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> When you have nothing to say, that's what you should
> say.
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> Pop
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FOAD, Poop.
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| gfretwell@aol.com 2005-07-13, 6:25 pm |
| On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:15:26 -0400, "Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net>
wrote:
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>Pay phones in particular have entireley different
>electric characteristics than regular phones
Not so different. I have pay phone in my house and it works fine on
the US phone system. If the REN is different in UK, disconnect the
bell.
There are lots of "old phone" sites that will give you information
about the network wiring but mine was fine the way I bought it.
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| PrecisionMachinisT 2005-07-14, 12:25 pm |
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"Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Pay phones in particular have entireley different
> electric characteristics than regular phones - but
> being ignorant of such things you wouldn't know that
> even though you try to put your worthless cents in.
Care to explain to us in detail these so-called 'different electrical
characteristics' ???
( IOW, I call bullshit.... )
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SVL
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| G Henslee 2005-07-14, 12:25 pm |
| PrecisionMachinisT wrote:
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> "Poop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:n9SdnUPfavqDo0jfRVn-qw@usadatanet.net...
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> Care to explain to us in detail these so-called 'different electrical
> characteristics' ???
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> ( IOW, I call bullshit.... )
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> --
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> SVL
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Poop said "entirely different" That's different. He's an expert.
Don't mess with him.
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2005-07-14, 6:25 pm |
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Thee are some differences in plugs, at least
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...eName=WDVW&rd=1
And in how they ring
http://electronics.howstuffworks.co...one_ringer.html
What is ring signal ?
The telephone company sends a ringing signal which is an AC waveform.
Although the common frequency used in the United States is 20 HZ and in
Europe is typically 25 Hz, it can be any frequency between 15 and 68 Hz.
Most of the world uses frequencies between 20 and 40 Hz. The voltage at the
subscribers end depends upon loop length and number of ringers attached to
the line; it could be between 40 and 150 Volts. The ringing cadence - the
timing of ringing to pause - varies from telephone company to company.
What telephone regulations say about telephone ringers
European NET4 telephone line terminal equipment specs define the following
specs for the telephoen ringing detector circuit.
a.. The impedance in voice frequency (200-3400 Hz) must be greater than 10
kohm when measured with 0.5V RMS audio signal
b.. The current taken by the ringer must be equal or less than 5 mA at 35
V ring voltage and equal or ledd than 10.7 mA at 75V ring voltage. The
measurments are made using 25 Hz ring current frequnecy.
c.. Ring detector must work on ring signal which is 44-58V DC summed with
25+-3Hz AC ring signal in voltage range 35-75 V. The feeding resistance for
ring generator is 800-1710 Hz.
d.. Ring detector must not detect ring signal which is 44-58V DC summed
with 20-3400 Hz AC ring signal which is less than 10 V. The feeding
resistance for ring generator is 800-1710 Hz.
If the equipment is automatically responding the equipment must wait at
least 1s from the ring detection until it goes off-hook.
Telephone ringer classification
In USA FCC regulations need the ringer type to be specified on the device.
The possible types are Class A and Class B. Class B ringers will respond to
ringing frequencies of between 17 and 68 Hertz while Class A ringers will
respond to betwwen 16 and 33 Hertz. Class A devices are those typical old
telephone bells and practically all electronic ringers are B type. Nearly
all of the devices made to connect to the phone lines today are of the Class
B type. The telephone ringer type on your device (if you live in USA) is
printed on the FCC sticker on the bottom with a REN number on it. You'll see
something like .9B (= REN 0.9 Class B) or 1.0A (= REN 1.0 Class A).
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| PrecisionMachinisT 2005-07-14, 6:25 pm |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> Thee are some differences in plugs, at least
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=58360
&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1
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> And in how they ring
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http://electronics.howstuffworks.co...one.htm&url=htt
p://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/telephone_ringer.html
quote:
>
> What is ring signal ?
> The telephone company sends a ringing signal which is an AC waveform.
> Although the common frequency used in the United States is 20 HZ and in
> Europe is typically 25 Hz, it can be any frequency between 15 and 68 Hz.
> Most of the world uses frequencies between 20 and 40 Hz. The voltage at
the
quote:
> subscribers end depends upon loop length and number of ringers attached to
> the line; it could be between 40 and 150 Volts. The ringing cadence - the
> timing of ringing to pause - varies from telephone company to company.
>
> What telephone regulations say about telephone ringers
> European NET4 telephone line terminal equipment specs define the following
> specs for the telephoen ringing detector circuit.
>
> a.. The impedance in voice frequency (200-3400 Hz) must be greater than
10
quote:
> kohm when measured with 0.5V RMS audio signal
> b.. The current taken by the ringer must be equal or less than 5 mA at
35
quote:
> V ring voltage and equal or ledd than 10.7 mA at 75V ring voltage. The
> measurments are made using 25 Hz ring current frequnecy.
> c.. Ring detector must work on ring signal which is 44-58V DC summed
with
quote:
> 25+-3Hz AC ring signal in voltage range 35-75 V. The feeding resistance
for
quote:
> ring generator is 800-1710 Hz.
> d.. Ring detector must not detect ring signal which is 44-58V DC summed
> with 20-3400 Hz AC ring signal which is less than 10 V. The feeding
> resistance for ring generator is 800-1710 Hz.
> If the equipment is automatically responding the equipment must wait at
> least 1s from the ring detection until it goes off-hook.
>
> Telephone ringer classification
> In USA FCC regulations need the ringer type to be specified on the device.
> The possible types are Class A and Class B. Class B ringers will respond
to
quote:
> ringing frequencies of between 17 and 68 Hertz while Class A ringers will
> respond to betwwen 16 and 33 Hertz. Class A devices are those typical old
> telephone bells and practically all electronic ringers are B type. Nearly
> all of the devices made to connect to the phone lines today are of the
Class
quote:
> B type. The telephone ringer type on your device (if you live in USA) is
> printed on the FCC sticker on the bottom with a REN number on it. You'll
see
quote:
> something like .9B (= REN 0.9 Class B) or 1.0A (= REN 1.0 Class A).
>
>
Ed,
Forget Europe for now, Pop had said "pay phones" have different electrical
characteristics than "regular phones".
His claim, so its up to him to explain the difference between the two, if
any........
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SVL
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2005-07-14, 6:25 pm |
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"PrecisionMachinisT" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
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> Forget Europe for now, Pop had said "pay phones" have different electrical
> characteristics than "regular phones".
>
> His claim, so its up to him to explain the difference between the two, if
> any........
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Oh, that's different. Instead of a hard wired terminal, they use the metal
coins to make the contact. The coin drops down the slot bridging the two
wires. They are spring loaded to support the coin for three minutes, then
it drops and disconnects you.
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| And another kaner exposes its genitals to the world.
"G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
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> Poop wrote:
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> FOAD, Poop.
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| G Henslee 2005-07-14, 6:25 pm |
| Pop wrote:
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> And another kaner exposes its genitals to the world.
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> "G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:3jkujvFqlhgbU1@individual.net...
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Just answer their questions Poop. In your own self-elevated, jump on
the soapbox, I'll show this guy, words:
"When you have nothing to say, that's what you should say"
You really aint shit, just poop.
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| Dan C 2005-07-14, 11:25 pm |
| On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:48:22 -0400, Pop wrote:
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> And another kaner exposes its genitals to the world.
What's a "kaner" ?
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If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
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| G Henslee 2005-07-14, 11:25 pm |
| Dan C wrote:
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> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:48:22 -0400, Pop wrote:
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> What's a "kaner" ?
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http://tinyurl.com/8fdcc
Must be referring to the wearing of a kilt... Which means Pop is a
pooping tom.
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Pop ain't shit, he's just Poop.
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| gfretwell@aol.com 2005-07-15, 6:25 pm |
| On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:12:22 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:
quote:
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>"PrecisionMachinisT" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Oh, that's different. Instead of a hard wired terminal, they use the metal
>coins to make the contact. The coin drops down the slot bridging the two
>wires. They are spring loaded to support the coin for three minutes, then
>it drops and disconnects you.
>
More bullshit, I guess you never "pinned" a phone call.
All you had to do before the current crop of electronic pay phones was
short the tip to ground to open the originating register on a pay
phone line. It was done be sticking a pin in the cord and shorting it
to the frame of the phone. That was why they started using armored
cords. Then people stuck the pin in the mike or earpiece holes. Ma
Bell started using an armored element there too.
The caps are typically glued on.
I had a regular phone connected to a pay phone line at a pool I worked
at. (the fools had the Dmark in the lifeguard office) We shorted the
line with our whistle and got out fine.
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2005-07-15, 6:25 pm |
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<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote in message
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> More bullshit, I guess you never "pinned" a phone call.
No sense if humor eh?
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