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Keeping dogs out of the yard

Charlie S.

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that means any
stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a convenient place
to do his business from time to time. I've thought of putting up a fence or
even talking to the neighbor about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.

Outside of doing any thing drastic, like shooting the dog, anyone have any
ideas how to keep the dog(s) out without putting up a barrier.

G Henslee

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

Edwin Pawlowski

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

"Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message

> . I've thought of putting up a fence or even talking to the neighbor
> about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.

Consider renting a scrotum to use while talking to the neighbor.

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>
> Consider renting a scrotum to use while talking to the neighbor.
>

Good idea. Some nuts to put inside it might be nice. A spine would also
complement the scrotum and nuts as well.

G Henslee

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
> Consider renting a scrotum to use while talking to the neighbor.
>
>
>

With 'attachments' of course.

Usmiech

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

Charlie S.

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>
> Consider renting a scrotum to use while talking to the neighbor.
>
You are way off base with your reasoning. It's not for lack of courage that
I'm not bringing this up to my neighbor. There are other personal issues I
don't wish to discuss in this Usenet format.

G Henslee

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

Charlie S. wrote:
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:m2tEe.1302$_01.1240@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> You are way off base with your reasoning. It's not for lack of courage that
> I'm not bringing this up to my neighbor. There are other personal issues I
> don't wish to discuss in this Usenet format.
>
>

This is one of the most worn out topics I've seen in this group. And it
always comes down to somebody who can't or won't (for whatever reason)
talk to the human being that lives next door to them. Surely google
groups has tons of archived posts on this.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

"Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in
news:4YsEe.1014$S72.637@trndny06:

> Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that
> means any stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a
> convenient place to do his business from time to time. I've thought
> of putting up a fence or even talking to the neighbor about his dog.
> Neither idea appeals to me.
>
> Outside of doing any thing drastic, like shooting the dog, anyone have
> any ideas how to keep the dog(s) out without putting up a barrier.
>
>
>

I've seen ads for a ultrasonic pest repeller that claimed to have a setting
for dogs/cats.Maybe Google would turn up something.

It might make every dog in the neighborhood howl,though.

Then there's motion detectors connected to your lawn sprinker system;every
time an animal moves intot he forbidden zone,the sprinklers come on,soaking
the animal.That one might be a lot of fun,especially if the owner is also
in the zone. 8-)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Charlie S.

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

>
> This is one of the most worn out topics I've seen in this group. And it
> always comes down to somebody who can't or won't (for whatever reason)
> talk to the human being that lives next door to them. Surely google
> groups has tons of archived posts on this.

Sorry, have only been here for a couple weeks. Will do a Google search.

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

"G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
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> Charlie S. wrote:
>
> here we go again...

Should I? :-)

Edwin Pawlowski

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

"Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> You are way off base with your reasoning. It's not for lack of courage
> that I'm not bringing this up to my neighbor. There are other personal
> issues I don't wish to discuss in this Usenet format.

Sorry, I didn't realize you may be "meeting" with his wife on occasion and
don't want to spoil that.

QB3

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

"Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:nAuEe.966$Sr2.491@trndny03...
> You are way off base with your reasoning. It's not for lack of courage
that
> I'm not bringing this up to my neighbor. There are other personal issues
I
> don't wish to discuss in this Usenet format.

Sorry that you had to encounter the standard Usenet mini-flame, but your
original post followed the standard formula for a spineless jellyfish
posting (i.e. describe a problem with multiple, easy solutions and then
one-by-one eliminate every reasonable solution). The most likely responses
to such a posting are sarcasm, flames, and references to your relationship
with your mother.

Pop

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

....
>
> hellllooooooooooooo, dumbass!

alllooooo kaner! samatter, needan udder hit?

Pop

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

....
>
> here we go again...

Yup, you always do that, don't you kaner?

Pop

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

....>>
>
> Should I? :-)
>
Nah, there's enough kaners cumming all over in here
already.

deans@wdeans.com

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

Greetings Charlie,

I have learned from being a landlord that many people with seemingly no
balls or spine of any sort have a great capacity hidden within to
become a victim through their own actions or inactions. Amazingly, the
entire world always seems to come to their aid to combat the great evil
causing them harm. If you were a certain class of tenant trying to
solve this problem you would get a little pussy cat. You would want
her to learn to be an outside cat but you wouldn't want her to run away
so you would put her on a leash and leave her out there while you go
inside and call the rental company. Tada! Before you know it you are
the victim, your neighbor (who had no clue the dog is causing you a
problem) is a scumbag, you never had to be honest with him about your
feelings, and you still get to bang his wife. The world will reward
you 100 times over the cost someone else paid for the kitty cat you
"found abandoned and rescued". If you want the world to think you
are entitled to greater rewards and millions of dollars you'll have to
feed your child paint chips. If this idea bothers you you might
instead develop a "disease" which causes you to smoke large amounts
of crack cocaine while you are pregnant and then sue the doctor who
apparently botched the premature delivery as your child's
borderline-retardation IQ corroborates.

Hope this helps,
William

Dan C

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:16 +0000, Charlie S. wrote:

> Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that means any
> stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a convenient place
> to do his business from time to time. I've thought of putting up a fence or
> even talking to the neighbor about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.

Yeah, god forbid you talk to the neighbor about the situation. Wouldn't
want to do something that drastic, huh?

What a fucking galoot.

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

Vic Dura

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:16 GMT, in alt.home.repair RE: Keeping dogs
out of the yard "Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote:

>Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that means any
>stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a convenient place
>to do his business from time to time. I've thought of putting up a fence or
>even talking to the neighbor about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.
>
>Outside of doing any thing drastic, like shooting the dog, anyone have any
>ideas how to keep the dog(s) out without putting up a barrier.

Try a couple of pounds of hot chili power and sprinkle liberally
around the perimeter. You can get it in pound size from SAMS and maybe
cheaper from a restaurant supply house. It works on a smaller scale to
keep my dogs and cats out of areas I don't want them to go into.

--
To reply to me directly, remove the CLUTTER from my email address.

G Henslee

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

Pop wrote:
> ...>>
>
>
> Nah, there's enough kaners cumming all over in here
> already.
>
>

Then there's plenty for you to slurp you old faggot.

KLS

2005-07-24, 9:10 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:38:47 -0500, Vic Dura
<vpdura@CLUTTERhiwaay.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:16 GMT, in alt.home.repair RE: Keeping dogs
>out of the yard "Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>Try a couple of pounds of hot chili power and sprinkle liberally
>around the perimeter. You can get it in pound size from SAMS and maybe
>cheaper from a restaurant supply house. It works on a smaller scale to
>keep my dogs and cats out of areas I don't want them to go into.

Do you think this would work to encourage a rabbit to relocate from my
city backyard? I've already started urinating around the perimeter of
my detached garage, where I think it hides out, but I'd like to get
the creature to leave asap so my dog stops eating its poop pellets.

George E. Cawthon

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

Charlie S. wrote:
> Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that means any
> stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a convenient place
> to do his business from time to time. I've thought of putting up a fence or
> even talking to the neighbor about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.
>
> Outside of doing any thing drastic, like shooting the dog, anyone have any
> ideas how to keep the dog(s) out without putting up a barrier.
>
>
>
The key is to find their do and throw it into the
middle of the street. It confuses the dogs! Some
people don't like to do this but it is the best
solution and might even have the secondary effect
of shamming the neighbor into controlling the dog.

deans@wdeans.com

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

Greetings,

We still want to know what you decided after doing your Google search
and how it worked out for you. We especially want to know if after all
of this you decided to think about it further for days on end until all
the thought starts to look like doing nothing.

Hope this helps,
William

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"KLS" <xymergy@suds.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:38:47 -0500, Vic Dura
> <vpdura@CLUTTERhiwaay.net> wrote:
>
>
> Do you think this would work to encourage a rabbit to relocate from my
> city backyard? I've already started urinating around the perimeter of
> my detached garage, where I think it hides out, but I'd like to get
> the creature to leave asap so my dog stops eating its poop pellets.

Based on my experience with a half dozen rabbits over the past month,
absolutely nothing dissuades them. However, my neighbor's beagle has routed
a few of them and brought home a couple of results with their little heads
sort of dangling.

Norminn

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

Charlie S. wrote:
> Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that means any
> stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a convenient place
> to do his business from time to time. I've thought of putting up a fence or
> even talking to the neighbor about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.
>
> Outside of doing any thing drastic, like shooting the dog, anyone have any
> ideas how to keep the dog(s) out without putting up a barrier.
>
>
>

Put the end of your index finger on the tip of your nose, close your
eyes and make a wish.

Ulysses

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4YsEe.1014$S72.637@trndny06...
> Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that means
any
> stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a convenient
place
> to do his business from time to time. I've thought of putting up a fence
or
> even talking to the neighbor about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.
>
> Outside of doing any thing drastic, like shooting the dog, anyone have any
> ideas how to keep the dog(s) out without putting up a barrier.
>
>
>

There seems to be some things going on here that I don't know about, but
here goes anyway.

If you know who's dog it is tell the owner to keep it out of your yard.
Tell them to come and clean up after it or you will call Animal Control.
Don't do anything to harm the dog. It's not his fault. After all, you
can't blame him for not wanting to crap all over his own yard if he has a
choice.

I had a problem with cats pooping on my lawn (no, I don't know who's cats
they were). I got one of those motion detector spotlights and positioned it
over the grass. I ran wires from one of the bulb sockets to a relay. The
relay activated my automatic sprinklers. I had the motion detector light
set to stay on for 5 minutes. No more cat poop on my lawn. !00% effective
and I only spent about $15.

G Henslee

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

George E. Cawthon wrote:
> Charlie S. wrote:
>

[color=darkred]
> The key is to find their do and throw it into the middle of the street.
> It confuses the dogs! Some people don't like to do this but it is the
> best solution and might even have the secondary effect of shamming the
> neighbor into controlling the dog.

That's what I do. Nothing wrong with sharin' the wealth.

Stormin Mormon

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

I'm not sure a good description is avail on the web, but Dr. Eric Berne
described this as the game "Why don't you; yes but" which is abbrev. YDYB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis

He therefrom developed a typology of common counterproductive social
interactions, identifying these as "games". The first such game theorized
was Why don't you/Yes, but in which one player (White) would pose a problem
as if seeking help, and the other player(s) (Black) would offer solutions.
White would point out a flaw in every Black player's solution (the "Yes,
but" response), until they all gave up in frustration. The secondary gain
for White was that he could claim to have justified his problem as insoluble
and thus avoid the hard work of internal change; and for Black, to either
feel the frustrated martyr ("I was only trying to help") or a superior
being, disrespected ("the patient was uncooperative").

Incidentally, was your mother over dominating, and your father always did
what he was told?

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"QB3" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
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"Charlie S." <charliestam@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:nAuEe.966$Sr2.491@trndny03...
> You are way off base with your reasoning. It's not for lack of courage
that
> I'm not bringing this up to my neighbor. There are other personal issues
I
> don't wish to discuss in this Usenet format.

Sorry that you had to encounter the standard Usenet mini-flame, but your
original post followed the standard formula for a spineless jellyfish
posting (i.e. describe a problem with multiple, easy solutions and then
one-by-one eliminate every reasonable solution). The most likely responses
to such a posting are sarcasm, flames, and references to your relationship
with your mother.

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

[color=darkred]
> Charlie S. wrote:

Best solution is to soak some sponges in bacon grease and feed them to the
dog.

Putting some antifreeze in the dog's water will also help.

deans@wdeans.com

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

> Best solution is to soak some sponges in bacon grease and feed them to the
> dog.

Greetings,

What does sponges in bacon grease do?

William

Edwin Pawlowski

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"deans@wdeans.com" <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Greetings,
>
> What does sponges in bacon grease do?
>
> William
>

Dog will eat the sponges and possibly block his digestive tract and die.

deans@wdeans.com

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

> Dog will eat the sponges and possibly block his digestive tract and die.

Thanks Ed. I learn something new and useful seemingly every day here
on alt.home.repair

anoldfart2@invalid.com

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:16 GMT, "Charlie S."
<charliestam@verizon.net> wrote:

>Most everyone in the neighborhood has a fenced in yard. So, that means any
>stray dogs or more likely the dog next door find our yard a convenient place
>to do his business from time to time. I've thought of putting up a fence or
>even talking to the neighbor about his dog. Neither idea appeals to me.
>
>Outside of doing any thing drastic, like shooting the dog, anyone have any
>ideas how to keep the dog(s) out without putting up a barrier.
>
>

Yep, get a MUCH BIGGER dog !!!!

Banty

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

In article <3kfb7eFu0k9nU1@individual.net>, G Henslee says...
>
>Charlie S. wrote:
>
>This is one of the most worn out topics I've seen in this group. And it
>always comes down to somebody who can't or won't (for whatever reason)
>talk to the human being that lives next door to them. Surely google
>groups has tons of archived posts on this.

Or just lack of practical thinking.

If the neighbors with the dog are Martians who would immediately snatch him and
use his blood should he come to their door for a conversation, then the next
best option is to go ahead and put up that fence.

Banty

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:dc057d024a@drn.newsguy.com...

> Or just lack of practical thinking.
>
> If the neighbors with the dog are Martians who would immediately snatch
> him and
> use his blood should he come to their door for a conversation, then the
> next
> best option is to go ahead and put up that fence.
>
> Banty
>

Of course, he *might* have the type of neighbor who is utterly oblivious to
the generally agreed upon rules of living in a civilized way. These animals
*do* exist, and in most cases, they cannot be retrained, only controlled,
much like their dogs.

Punch

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:dc057d024a@drn.newsguy.com...
>
>
> Of course, he *might* have the type of neighbor who is utterly oblivious
> to the generally agreed upon rules of living in a civilized way. These
> animals *do* exist, and in most cases, they cannot be retrained, only
> controlled, much like their dogs.
>

it took me a month but I shovelled up the poop and dropped it into the dog
owners driveway, after a month of this, never saw poop in my yard again

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Punch" <crash2000@spamfree.rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:YwNEe.2076$cg.317@news02.roc.ny...
>
> it took me a month but I shovelled up the poop and dropped it into the dog
> owners driveway, after a month of this, never saw poop in my yard again

That's a disgusting thing to do. I love it! :-) Dropping it onto their
windshield wipers also works nicely.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"deans@wdeans.com" <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1122183993.336846.325530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>
> Thanks Ed. I learn something new and useful seemingly every day here
> on alt.home.repair
>
>

Yes, that many posters give out bad advice.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns969D7FA47F8F2jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85...
> "deans@wdeans.com" <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1122183993.336846.325530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> Yes, that many posters give out bad advice.

I'm sure you've killed a few mosquitoes and other bugs over the years
because they annoyed you. Do you recommend it to other people?

Banty

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

In article <YwNEe.2076$cg.317@news02.roc.ny>, Doug Kanter says...
>
>"Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:dc057d024a@drn.newsguy.com...
>
>
>Of course, he *might* have the type of neighbor who is utterly oblivious to
>the generally agreed upon rules of living in a civilized way. These animals
>*do* exist, and in most cases, they cannot be retrained, only controlled,
>much like their dogs.
>
>

True, true.

But that's one thing that's determined by a converstaion - no?

And, if that's the case, then one goes to other options: law enforcement if
feasible (is there a leash law?), putting in that fence.

Banty

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns969D7FA47F8F2jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85...
> "deans@wdeans.com" <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1122183993.336846.325530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> Yes, that many posters give out bad advice.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik@atkua.net

Its just a fucking dog. Not like it is a human or anything important.

If the dog can't crap where it is supposed to, take it out.

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:dc0hsj01kec@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <YwNEe.2076$cg.317@news02.roc.ny>, Doug Kanter says...
>
> True, true.
>
> But that's one thing that's determined by a converstaion - no?

The OP suggested some vague reason for not having a conversation, and was
hesitant to explain further.

> And, if that's the case, then one goes to other options: law enforcement
> if
> feasible (is there a leash law?), putting in that fence.

I think town justices should give dog criminals a choice of:

1) Buy a fence for your neighbor, since you can't seem to control your
vermin. The fence he wants will cost $4000.00 to install and you'll be in a
holding cell until a family member or friend brings cash. Green cash money.

2) Lose your dog next time it's roaming the neighborhood, *and* you and your
kids will watch it being put to death at the pound. Your grandkids, too, if
you have any.

3) Put your arms behind your back so the bailiff can take you to jail.
You'll need 30 days worth of reading material and a whole bunch of condoms
(for your new girlfriends).

Hey...I'm funny about these things. This is why Henslee has been following
me around the newsgroups for a while. I say the things he wants to, but is
afraid to.

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns969D7FA47F8F2jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85...
>
>
> Its just a fucking dog. Not like it is a human or anything important.
>
> If the dog can't crap where it is supposed to, take it out.
>

Another person for my free beer for life list. :-)

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:6mQEe.177073$x96.47003@attbi_s72...
>
> Another person for my free beer for life list. :-)
>

I love you, Man!

Doug Kanter

2005-07-24, 9:11 pm

"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I love you, Man!
>

Put your frosted glass on the cd drawer and press
CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-SPACEBAR-~~~-%-B. Beer should come right out. Change the "B"
at the end to an "L" for light beer.

Gort

2005-07-24, 9:12 pm

George E. Cawthon wrote:
> Charlie S. wrote:
>
> The key is to find their do and throw it into the middle of the street.
> It confuses the dogs! Some people don't like to do this but it is the
> best solution and might even have the secondary effect of shamming the
> neighbor into controlling the dog.

Another method I've heard recommended is to obtain some lion dung from
your local zoo and spread it along the outer perimeter.
This is purported to keep all dogs and cats far away.

--
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inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know
how to ignore a posting,complain to me and I will demonstrate.

George E. Cawthon

2005-07-24, 11:21 pm

Gort wrote:
> George E. Cawthon wrote:
>
>
>
> Another method I've heard recommended is to obtain some lion dung from
> your local zoo and spread it along the outer perimeter.
> This is purported to keep all dogs and cats far away.
>
>
>
>
I think that solution is worse than the problem.

Dan C

2005-07-24, 11:21 pm

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:24:39 +0000, George E. Cawthon wrote:

[color=darkred]
> I think that solution is worse than the problem.

Why? Sounds like it would work fine to me, and nobody gets hurt.

--
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Linux Registered User #327951

meirman

2005-07-25, 6:21 am

In alt.home.repair on Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:07:28 GMT "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler@hotmail.com> posted:

>
>"Punch" <crash2000@spamfree.rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:XsCdndcbM9nkN37fRVn-sA@rogers.com...
>
>That's a disgusting thing to do. I love it! :-) Dropping it onto their
>windshield wipers also works nicely.
>
My neighbor's dog doesn't go where he shouldn't -- well maybe he does.
I don't know what he they walk him to or what he does -- but he's
never on a leash and he's a pitbull. I've seen him growl at a couple
high school kids, who then went way out of their way around a bunch of
other houses to avoid him.

I was tending a friend's dog for a day, and as I was returning home,
he came out of the door. I could not yet see him but I called to his
manager to "Get hold of your dog". Instead, she just called to the
dog, two or three times, who ignored her. He also had no collar on
either.

I was afraid to turn and go the other way, because iiuc a dog will
take that as weakness and be more likely to attack.

I was also afraid to go forward because my visiting dog was unknown to
this one, and I didn't want my friends to come home to an injured dog.

(Finally, it seemed like finally, I split the difference, and he
didn't follow.)

Other neighbors have complained to animal control, and probably talked
to the owners before they did that.

I can imagine one in the family retaliating against my car when I'm
sleeping or my home when I'm away. Because anyone who doesn't bother
to leash a pitbull is obviously antisocial in some ways.

Plainly I would make no progress by talking to them, and I could put
myself on their hitlist, especially if someone else gets the pound to
take away the dog, but I"m the one they think did it.

Meirman
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Doug Kanter

2005-07-25, 10:21 am

"meirman" <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>
> Other neighbors have complained to animal control, and probably talked
> to the owners before they did that.

Any idea what, if anything, was done by the animal control people?

Jim Yanik

2005-07-25, 11:21 am

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:AMPEe.2514$j21.349@news01.roc.ny:

>
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns969D7FA47F8F2jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85...
>
> I'm sure you've killed a few mosquitoes and other bugs over the years
> because they annoyed you. Do you recommend it to other people?
>
>
>

Only you would equate killing mosquitoes and dogs.

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jyanik
at
kua.net

Doug Kanter

2005-07-25, 12:21 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns969E654BFA790jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:AMPEe.2514$j21.349@news01.roc.ny:
>
>
> Only you would equate killing mosquitoes and dogs.

Live in a Disney fantasy world if you like, but there's really no
difference. It's chauvinistic for people to claim one type of life has more
value than another.

Ulysses

2005-07-25, 1:21 pm

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@invalid.lan> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.25.01.54.10.522442@invalid.lan...
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:24:39 +0000, George E. Cawthon wrote:
>
>
>
> Why? Sounds like it would work fine to me, and nobody gets hurt.

Not that OP is really gonna go get some but I doubt it would work. We have
occasional mountain lions where I live and my dogs go and pee can poop right
on their droppings (easily recognizable by the size and the footprints next
to them) to "reclaim" their territory.

OP didn't say why he won't talk to the dog owner but my experience was that
even the lowliest, deranged, degenerate gang-member type will try to keep
his dogs out of your yard. I had gang-members move in next door and their
dogs (pit bulls) ate through the fence and hung out (and crapped) in my back
yard. They immediately went about reinforcing the fence etc even though
they continuned to play loud boom-boom music and sell drugs in front of my
house.

I posted previously what I did to keep cats from crapping on my front lawn
but I don't know where the post went.

I bought a motion detector light for about $10 and ran wires from one of the
light sockets to a relay which activated my automatic sprinklers when it
detected anything moving on my lawn. I had it set to stay on for 5 minutes.
No more cat poop.

>
> --
> If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
> Linux Registered User #327951
>

Jim Yanik

2005-07-25, 8:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ey6Fe.2616$j21.1123@news01.roc.ny:

>
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns969E654BFA790jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
>
> Live in a Disney fantasy world if you like, but there's really no
> difference.

Only in your opinion.

> It's chauvinistic for people to claim one type of life has
> more value than another.
>

I get the impression you would like to live in a lawless society.
There are laws in just about every state about harming domestic pets,but
you would rather act on your own and leave lethal traps for them(except
that the law doesn't see it that way.),in "defense of your property",rather
than talk to the owner,or get the authorities involved.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

G Henslee

2005-07-25, 9:21 pm

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
>
> Live in a Disney fantasy world if you like, but there's really no
> difference. It's chauvinistic for people to claim one type of life has more
> value than another.
>
>

Right fuckwit. Do us all a favor and have some bacon grease soaked
sponges for your din-din tonite.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-25, 11:21 pm

Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
news:Xns969EBF0963E8jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:

> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:ey6Fe.2616$j21.1123@news01.roc.ny:
>
>
> Only in your opinion.
>
>
>
> I get the impression you would like to live in a lawless society.
> There are laws in just about every state about harming domestic
> pets,but you would rather act on your own and leave lethal traps for
> them(except that the law doesn't see it that way.),in "defense of your
> property",rather than talk to the owner,or get the authorities
> involved.
>

As I said before,many Usenet posters give out bad or unwise advice.
You seem to be one of those.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

G Henslee

2005-07-25, 11:21 pm

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
> news:Xns969EBF0963E8jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
>
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
>
> As I said before,many Usenet posters give out bad or unwise advice.
> You seem to be one of those.
>

Amen. Typical Kanter, joined at the hip with William.Deans@gmail.com

Doug Kanter

2005-07-26, 9:21 am

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns969EBF0963E8jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:ey6Fe.2616$j21.1123@news01.roc.ny:
>
>
> Only in your opinion.
>
>
>
> I get the impression you would like to live in a lawless society.
> There are laws in just about every state about harming domestic pets,but
> you would rather act on your own and leave lethal traps for them(except
> that the law doesn't see it that way.),in "defense of your
> property",rather
> than talk to the owner,or get the authorities involved.

Naturally, you know what's best IN THEORY, but I've dealt with irresponsible
dog owners for the past 25 years. There are two types and ONLY two types:

Type 1: Knows that what they're doing is wrong, but doesn't give a damn.
Type 2: Doesn't realize that they're fucked up. Too stupid to own a dog, in
other words.

My preference is to use the existing laws in my favor. Here, it's 3 strikes
and your doggy is taken away forever. That usually takes weeks. I've learned
to compress the process into as little as a week in one case. This usually
involves retraining the dog catcher. Many believe the dog owner should have
a little time in between visits, to "think about their mistake". Nope.

As far as eliminating the animal, I'd prefer to use a bullet, but this is
not possible in my neighborhood. However, make no mistake about this, Jimmy
boy: All day long, farmers cause nuisance animals to vanish, and it's
perfectly legal. If I had the opportunity, I'd do the same. You can claim
that a dog is different from an insect because people are emotionally
attached to dogs, but that matters little to anyone but the dog owner.

G Henslee

2005-07-26, 9:21 am

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
>
> Naturally, you know what's best IN THEORY, but I've dealt with irresponsible
> dog owners for the past 25 years.
>
> My preference is to use the existing laws in my favor. Here, it's 3 strikes
> and your doggy is taken away forever. That usually takes weeks. I've learned
> to compress the process into as little as a week in one case. This usually
> involves retraining the dog catcher. Many believe the dog owner should have
> a little time in between visits, to "think about their mistake". Nope.
>
> As far as eliminating the animal, I'd prefer to use a bullet, but this is
> not possible in my neighborhood. However, make no mistake about this, Jimmy
> boy: All day long, farmers cause nuisance animals to vanish, and it's
> perfectly legal. If I had the opportunity, I'd do the same. You can claim
> that a dog is different from an insect because people are emotionally
> attached to dogs, but that matters little to anyone but the dog owner.
>
>

What's it costin' you these days to have your shot out or otherwise
broken windows replaced, kicked and trampled sprinkler heads fixed, and
24 hour security to guard you against the 25 years worth of vengeful
people who must hate your sorry XXX?

Save your phoney keyboard flexing for the gai-boi groups you hang in.

Doug Kanter

2005-07-26, 11:21 am

"G Henslee" <ghen@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:3kmnfsFfetfhU1@individual.net...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
> What's it costin' you these days to have your shot out or otherwise broken
> windows replaced, kicked and trampled sprinkler heads fixed, and 24 hour
> security to guard you against the 25 years worth of vengeful people who
> must hate your sorry XXX?

What's your alternative? Be a sap and let dogs crap all over your yard? Are
you also OK with spending money to have your carpets cleaned because of
something your neighbor did?

> Save your phoney keyboard flexing for the gai-boi groups you hang in.

What's with the sudden gay-bashing? Is your son dating a nice boy?

Jim Yanik

2005-07-26, 12:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:JFpFe.2290$cg.1400@news02.roc.ny:

>
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns969EBF0963E8jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
>
> Naturally, you know what's best IN THEORY, but I've dealt with
> irresponsible dog owners for the past 25 years. There are two types
> and ONLY two types:
>
> Type 1: Knows that what they're doing is wrong, but doesn't give a
> damn. Type 2: Doesn't realize that they're fucked up. Too stupid to
> own a dog, in other words.
>
> My preference is to use the existing laws in my favor. Here, it's 3
> strikes and your doggy is taken away forever. That usually takes
> weeks. I've learned to compress the process into as little as a week
> in one case. This usually involves retraining the dog catcher. Many
> believe the dog owner should have a little time in between visits, to
> "think about their mistake". Nope.
>
> As far as eliminating the animal, I'd prefer to use a bullet, but this
> is not possible in my neighborhood. However, make no mistake about
> this, Jimmy boy: All day long, farmers cause nuisance animals to
> vanish, and it's perfectly legal.

FARMERS,in agriculture-zoned areas,sure.
But most if not all of the queries HERE are from URBAN homeowners,where it
is is NOT legal.

> If I had the opportunity, I'd do the
> same. You can claim that a dog is different from an insect because
> people are emotionally attached to dogs, but that matters little to
> anyone but the dog owner.

And the law authorities.

I live in an apartment,and I have about 30 years of experience with dog
owners and poop where it shouldn't be. There are a minority of owners who
either curb their dog in the proper places or clean up after them without
instruction,then there are the ones who were just unaware or clueless(who
straighten up after a talk.),and then the ones who just don't care(even
after you talk with them).

So,that's THREE types.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Doug Kanter

2005-07-26, 12:21 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns969F68ABA4A8Djyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85...

>
> FARMERS,in agriculture-zoned areas,sure.
> But most if not all of the queries HERE are from URBAN homeowners,where it
> is is NOT legal.

Actually, in NY, you can end any animal that damages ANY food crop. Not
dependent on zoning. Call the NYS DEC for clarification. This obviously does
not address methods.

>
> And the law authorities.

They need to find a dead animal first. The key word is "find". Otherwise,
all they have is a missing pet report.

> I live in an apartment,and I have about 30 years of experience with dog
> owners and poop where it shouldn't be. There are a minority of owners who
> either curb their dog in the proper places or clean up after them without
> instruction,then there are the ones who were just unaware or clueless(who
> straighten up after a talk.),and then the ones who just don't care(even
> after you talk with them).
>
> So,that's THREE types.

Well, even many of the owners who clean up fall into one of the other two
categories, because they won't obey a polite request from a property owner
to do it elsewhere. Or, perhaps that puts them into yet another category:
Criminal, since trespassing is illegal.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-26, 10:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:r7sFe.2713$j21.895@news01.roc.ny:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns969F68ABA4A8Djyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85...
>
>
> Actually, in NY, you can end any animal that damages ANY food crop.

And WHERE do people grow food crops? Farms.
Most people posting here have not mentioned any gardens being devastated.
You're reaching again.AND trying to use an exemption as the general rule.

> Not dependent on zoning. Call the NYS DEC for clarification. This
> obviously does not address methods.
>
>
>
>
> They need to find a dead animal first. The key word is "find".
> Otherwise, all they have is a missing pet report.

Ah,so you advocate an illegal act,then compound it by hiding evidence,a
second illegal act.
You must be a wonderful law-abiding citizen.(not)
>
>
>
>
> Well, even many of the owners who clean up fall into one of the other
> two categories, because they won't obey a polite request from a
> property owner to do it elsewhere. Or, perhaps that puts them into yet
> another category: Criminal, since trespassing is illegal.
>

Well,as I said;APARTMENT(and "curb their dog in the *proper* places"),so
there are "common areas".The first type,those that clean up afterwards
without any prompting,are the sort that would not use another person's yard
anyways. "curb their dog in the *proper* places" should have been a clue to
you.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Yenc-Post 2002

2005-07-27, 2:21 am

What a bunch of killer dopes.

meirman

2005-07-27, 3:21 am

In alt.home.repair on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:24:01 GMT "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler@hotmail.com> posted:

>"meirman" <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:noa9e1p9bnmue5pu52idd8m6e5suu1n0an@4ax.com...
>
>
>Any idea what, if anything, was done by the animal control people?

I think they talked to the owner. I should have said that they, or at
least the sone, walked him with a leash a couple times that I saw
after that. But they still leave him out when they are out with no
leash, and I think only the son puts a leash on him at all.

Meirman
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2005-07-27, 11:21 am

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns969FD0C4154BAjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:r7sFe.2713$j21.895@news01.roc.ny:
>
>
> And WHERE do people grow food crops? Farms.
> Most people posting here have not mentioned any gardens being devastated.
> You're reaching again.AND trying to use an exemption as the general rule.

The law allows for protection of food growing plots of any size. I believe
it's a holdover from the victory garden days, during WWII. Haven't you ever
seen 1 acre food gardens? Some people do that for the food, not just for
enjoyment as I do. But, those plots are not considered "farms". A 40x40 plot
in a typical suburban neighborhood may be protected in the same way as a
farm.

As far as "devastated", in my previous home, a couple of dogs were doing
exactly that: Digging in the easiest soil they could find, which happened to
be my garden. A one week old lettuce seedling does not respond well to being
pissed on and then dug out of the soil. The solution involved a conference
with the town justice, a series of warnings (one of which was rather
horrific), and the sudden "retraining" of the animal control person. It
worked nicely.

I'm glad you haven't had to deal with something like this. It was NOT
enjoyable.

>
> Ah,so you advocate an illegal act,then compound it by hiding evidence,a
> second illegal act.
> You must be a wonderful law-abiding citizen.(not)

If an animal was destroying your handiwork and you could get little or no
help from the authorities, I'm sure you'd handle it any way you saw fit. Or,
if you had to shell out cash to have your carpets cleaned because of some
XXXXXXX's pet, again, I'm sure you'd be over the top. You will say
otherwise, however.

> The first type,those that clean up afterwards
> without any prompting,are the sort that would not use another person's
> yard
> anyways. "curb their dog in the *proper* places" should have been a clue
> to
> you.

I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but people who clean up after
their dogs STILL walk them, and let the dogs do their thing on other
peoples' property. And, in some cases, they refuse to obey requests to take
their dogs elsewhere.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-27, 12:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:6gMFe.2375$cg.1623@news02.roc.ny:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns969FD0C4154BAjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
>
> The law allows for protection of food growing plots of any size. I
> believe it's a holdover from the victory garden days, during WWII.
> Haven't you ever seen 1 acre food gardens? Some people do that for the
> food, not just for enjoyment as I do. But, those plots are not
> considered "farms". A 40x40 plot in a typical suburban neighborhood
> may be protected in the same way as a farm.

Most urban dwellers do not have such garden plots.
And NONE of the posters here mentioned any gardens being damaged.
You're reaching again.AND trying to use an exemption as the general rule.

>
> As far as "devastated", in my previous home, a couple of dogs were
> doing exactly that: Digging in the easiest soil they could find, which
> happened to be my garden. A one week old lettuce seedling does not
> respond well to being pissed on and then dug out of the soil. The
> solution involved a conference with the town justice, a series of
> warnings (one of which was rather horrific), and the sudden
> "retraining" of the animal control person. It worked nicely.
>
> I'm glad you haven't had to deal with something like this. It was NOT
> enjoyable.
>

You keep on bringing up -exceptions- that are not common in urbania,and not
mentioned in any of the posts on this newsgroup,and then believe that's
justification for cruelty to animals in other circumstances.

>
>
>
> If an animal was destroying your handiwork and you could get little or
> no help from the authorities, I'm sure you'd handle it any way you saw
> fit. Or, if you had to shell out cash to have your carpets cleaned
> because of some XXXXXXX's pet, again, I'm sure you'd be over the top.

It's happened to me,tracked the crap right thru the living room and into
the kitchen,and I had to clean it myself.It's NOT any major carpet cleaning
deal.And I did go "over the top",and let the manager know about it.
The woman moved out shortly after that.(sad,she was VERY hot!)

> You will say otherwise, however.
>
>
>
>
> I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but people who clean up
> after their dogs STILL walk them, and let the dogs do their thing on
> other peoples' property. And, in some cases, they refuse to obey
> requests to take their dogs elsewhere.

No,people who clean up after their dogs on their own are NOT the sort that
walk their dogs and leave crap where it's improper.

Thus the problem is with the dog's walker and not the dog itself.
So no "justification" for being cruel to the animal.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Doug Kanter

2005-07-27, 12:21 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns96A06A814FA68jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...

>
> Most urban dwellers do not have such garden plots.
> And NONE of the posters here mentioned any gardens being damaged.
> You're reaching again.AND trying to use an exemption as the general rule.

Doesn't matter what anyone else mentioned. You're challenging my beliefs
about dogs, and I'm explaining them by using examples which are NOT
exceptions, at least not based on my experience. In order to determine who
owned 3 stray dogs many years ago, I followed those dogs through the
neighborhood and watched as they dug their way through various properties.
That's what dogs do sometimes.

>
> You keep on bringing up -exceptions- that are not common in urbania,and
> not
> mentioned in any of the posts on this newsgroup,and then believe that's
> justification for cruelty to animals in other circumstances.

Let's dissect this. You used the word "cruelty". Although I have no problem
with someone slowly killing a dog (the sponge trick, for instance), it's not
something I'd do myself. That's not because I give a damn about the dog.
Rather, I'd want to be sure it was dead. If I lived in a place where it was
safe to do so, I'd opt for a bullet. It would satisfy my desire to be
thorough.

As far as "exceptions", you can only make that statement if you realize it's
limited by your awareness of what dog catchers deal with all day. Do you
work for your local government, and have access to those statistics? Or, do
you go from door to door asking people about their experiences with dogs?

>
> It's happened to me,tracked the crap right thru the living room and into
> the kitchen,and I had to clean it myself.It's NOT any major carpet
> cleaning
> deal.And I did go "over the top",and let the manager know about it.
> The woman moved out shortly after that.(sad,she was VERY hot!)

My one experience with carpet involved professional cleaning. Some people
have more sensitive noses than others, just as some people can hear higher
frequencies. I was not able to identify the dog criminal responsible for the
gift on my lawn, or we would've met in small claims court.

> No,people who clean up after their dogs on their own are NOT the sort that
> walk their dogs and leave crap where it's improper.

Dogs are attracted to the scent where other dogs have created a bathroom. It
doesn't matter if it's cleaned up. Nobody carries a bucket of water with
them when walking their dog. So, the spot is attractive to stray dogs later,
and the situation gets out of hand. This is why I tell dog owners to go
elsewhere, even if they intend to clean it up.

> Thus the problem is with the dog's walker and not the dog itself.
> So no "justification" for being cruel to the animal.

Actually, this isn't quite true. Behavioral psychology suggests that in a
way, the owners are trained by the dogs. Why do they walk their dogs? Not
just for the exercise. The dogs become accustomed to crapping only if
they're walked. Sometimes they crap in the house if they're not walked. So,
the human walks the dog, which leads to the antisocial behavior and
disrespect for property rights. Therefore, the dog is at least equally
responsible. We think we've domesticated them, but this is based on
religious nonsense which says that a higher power made us as his crowning
achievment. Bullshit.

On a vaguely related subject, there is a body of evidence suggesting that
the domestication of plants is not a one-way street either. If you find this
interesting, you might pick up a book called "The Botany of Desire". It's a
fascinating exploration of who's zoomin' who.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-27, 10:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:KvNFe.2405$cg.1750@news02.roc.ny:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns96A06A814FA68jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...
>
>
> Doesn't matter what anyone else mentioned. You're challenging my
> beliefs about dogs, and I'm explaining them by using examples which
> are NOT exceptions, at least not based on my experience.

Sure they are exceptions;the majority of the US population lives in URBAN
areas,and few of them have food-producing gardens.

> In order to
> determine who owned 3 stray dogs many years ago, I followed those dogs
> through the neighborhood and watched as they dug their way through
> various properties. That's what dogs do sometimes.

SOMETIMES.
Another exception put forth as common occurrence.
>
>
>
>
> Let's dissect this. You used the word "cruelty". Although I have no
> problem with someone slowly killing a dog (the sponge trick, for
> instance), it's not something I'd do myself.

But it IS cruelty to animals,both legally and morally.

And,you recommend illegal things you would not do yourself.
There's that bad Usenet advice I mentioned.

> That's not because I give
> a damn about the dog. Rather, I'd want to be sure it was dead. If I
> lived in a place where it was safe to do so, I'd opt for a bullet. It
> would satisfy my desire to be thorough.

and in most urban areas,discharging a firearm for that purpose is illegal.
More of your bad Usenet advice.

>
> As far as "exceptions", you can only make that statement if you
> realize it's limited by your awareness of what dog catchers deal with
> all day. Do you work for your local government, and have access to
> those statistics? Or, do you go from door to door asking people about
> their experiences with dogs?

As I said;Sure they are exceptions;the majority of the US population lives
in URBAN areas,and few of them have food-producing gardens.
>
>
>
> My one experience with carpet involved professional cleaning. Some
> people have more sensitive noses than others,

Or are just too finicky or lazy to clean it themselves.

> just as some people can
> hear higher frequencies. I was not able to identify the dog criminal
> responsible for the gift on my lawn, or we would've met in small
> claims court.
>
>
>
> Dogs are attracted to the scent where other dogs have created a
> bathroom. It doesn't matter if it's cleaned up. Nobody carries a
> bucket of water with them when walking their dog. So, the spot is
> attractive to stray dogs later, and the situation gets out of hand.
> This is why I tell dog owners to go elsewhere, even if they intend to
> clean it up.

It's not that they use your yard and then clean it up,it's that they tend
to NOT USE such places in the first place(the 1st category,not the other
2). They curb their dogs in the proper places-not on others property.

>
>
>
>
> Actually, this isn't quite true. Behavioral psychology suggests that
> in a way, the owners are trained by the dogs. Why do they walk their
> dogs? Not just for the exercise.

No,it takes the dog -outdoors- to do their toilet,much preferable to the
alternative.Dogs don't take to litterboxes like cats.

> The dogs become accustomed to
> crapping only if they're walked. Sometimes they crap in the house if
> they're not walked.

Well,indoors WOULD be the only place they could crap,if not
walked(outdoors).DUH...
Now,walking off one's own property means either exercise or an intent to
deposit the dog's wastes on someone else's property.Also that they do not
have a fenced in yard to allow the dog to relieve itself without being in a
person's control.

> So, the human walks the dog, which leads to the
> antisocial behavior and disrespect for property rights.

No,some humans allow the dog to select the place for their deposits,instead
of being in command and control themselves.No "psychology" about it,just
laziness and no consideration for others.

> Therefore, the
> dog is at least equally responsible.

Only in your mind.

> We think we've domesticated them,
> but this is based on religious nonsense which says that a higher power
> made us as his crowning achievment. Bullshit.

I don't believe in that religious nonsense either.

>
> On a vaguely related subject, there is a body of evidence suggesting
> that the domestication of plants is not a one-way street either. If
> you find this interesting, you might pick up a book called "The Botany
> of Desire". It's a fascinating exploration of who's zoomin' who.
>

There was something along that line on a recent PBS program;Guns,Germs and
Steel.(how primitive people domesticated food crops that gave the highest
outputs,thus increasing their outputs thru selection)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Doug Kanter

2005-07-27, 10:21 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns96A0CE2E4298Bjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...

>
> But it IS cruelty to animals,both legally and morally.
>
> And,you recommend illegal things you would not do yourself.
> There's that bad Usenet advice I mentioned.

I've already informed you that a dog is no different than a mosquito. When
you apply the same rules about cruelty to a mosquito, then we can talk. If
you don't agree that the two animals have equal value, explain yourself.

>
> and in most urban areas,discharging a firearm for that purpose is illegal.
> More of your bad Usenet advice.

Yes. I stated that fact about firearms in the paragraph you just responded
to. No need to repeat what I've already said. I'm already well versed about
what constitutes safe shooting.

>
> As I said;Sure they are exceptions;the majority of the US population lives
> in URBAN areas,and few of them have food-producing gardens.

If these are exceptions, then every municipality in this country is wasting
a whole lot of cash keeping dog catchers on the payroll, don't you think?

>
> Or are just too finicky or lazy to clean it themselves.

Nah...not at all. I do most things myself. But, it doesn't matter. Even if
you do it yourself, the owner of the dog has stolen something more precious
than money from you: Your time.

>
> It's not that they use your yard and then clean it up,it's that they tend
> to NOT USE such places in the first place(the 1st category,not the other
> 2). They curb their dogs in the proper places-not on others property.

They tend to NOT USE what? Other peoples' property? That's nonsense. If that
were the case, their owners would not be walking around with plastic bags
and paper towels.

> Now,walking off one's own property means either exercise or an intent to
> deposit the dog's wastes on someone else's property.Also that they do not
> have a fenced in yard to allow the dog to relieve itself without being in
> a
> person's control.

Conclusion: Dogs are not appropriate as pets, unless they are owned by
exceptionally considerate humans, which we know is not the case. Therefore,
dogs are no better than mosquitoes (like their owners).

>
> No,some humans allow the dog to select the place for their
> deposits,instead
> of being in command and control themselves.No "psychology" about it,just
> laziness and no consideration for others.

Unless the humans are told otherwise, they stop wherever the dogs tell them
to. You've seen this, but you do not trust what you see.

>
> Only in your mind.

Nope. Ask your veterinarian. The dogs follows its nose. It marks territory,
and returns to the same place repeatedly.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-28, 1:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:PgWFe.2473$cg.248@news02.roc.ny:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns96A0CE2E4298Bjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...
>
>
> I've already informed you that a dog is no different than a mosquito.

WHOA,I've been INFORMED(by you)...well,that just makes it gospel!

> When you apply the same rules about cruelty to a mosquito, then we can
> talk. If you don't agree that the two animals have equal value,
> explain yourself.

Even if I did,you wouldn't accept it.
Who can decide "equal value",anyways?

>
>
>
> Yes. I stated that fact about firearms in the paragraph you just
> responded to. No need to repeat what I've already said. I'm already
> well versed about what constitutes safe shooting.

Safe or not,it's still illegal in most urban areas.
>
>
>
>
> If these are exceptions, then every municipality in this country is
> wasting a whole lot of cash keeping dog catchers on the payroll, don't
> you think?

How do you connect dog catchers with urban GARDENS?
I'm beginning to think you are not rational.
>
>
>
>
> Nah...not at all. I do most things myself. But, it doesn't matter.
> Even if you do it yourself, the owner of the dog has stolen something
> more precious than money from you: Your time.
>
>
>
>
> They tend to NOT USE what? Other peoples' property? That's nonsense.
> If that were the case, their owners would not be walking around with
> plastic bags and paper towels.
>
They might use a vacant property,a dog park(where it's allowed,even
expected),or at the curb.
>
>
> Conclusion: Dogs are not appropriate as pets, unless they are owned by
> exceptionally considerate humans, which we know is not the case.
> Therefore, dogs are no better than mosquitoes (like their owners).

Irrational again.

>
>
>
>
> Unless the humans are told otherwise, they stop wherever the dogs tell
> them to. You've seen this, but you do not trust what you see.
>
>
>
>
> Nope. Ask your veterinarian. The dogs follows its nose. It marks
> territory, and returns to the same place repeatedly.
>

Only if the person on the other end of the leash allows it,thus THEIR
responsibility.The dog can only travel where the leash holder permits it to
go.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Doug Kanter

2005-07-28, 1:21 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns96A17321EA188jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...

>
> Even if I did,you wouldn't accept it.
> Who can decide "equal value",anyways?

What a silly question. **YOU** have decided dogs and mosquitoes have UNequal
value, right? Your entire framework in the discussion is based on that
theory.

Jim Yanik

2005-07-28, 4:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:897Ge.2520$cg.1125@news02.roc.ny:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns96A17321EA188jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
>
>
> What a silly question. **YOU** have decided dogs and mosquitoes have
> UNequal value, right? Your entire framework in the discussion is based
> on that theory.
>
>
>

Doug,you simply are not rational.Seek help.

(and you are the one who made the claim of mosquitoes and dogs being of
equal value.)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Doug Kanter

2005-07-28, 4:21 pm

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns96A1944B3F999jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85...
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:897Ge.2520$cg.1125@news02.roc.ny:
>
>
> Doug,you simply are not rational.Seek help.
>
> (and you are the one who made the claim of mosquitoes and dogs being of
> equal value.)

I'm not rational??

You asked "Who can decide equal value?". That implies nobody can determine
"value". But, you claimed the two creatures are NOT equal, which answers
your question about "who?". Apparently, you believe that YOU can be the
judge of value.

Based on that, so can I.

Doug Kanter

2005-07-28, 5:21 pm

Sounds like expensive mosquitoes to me:

We're all familiar with so-called "ambulance-chaser" lawyers who often
advertise on late-night television. But did you know that there's another
interesting and somewhat related field: dog-bite law? It's true -- and it's
big business. At the illinois-dog-bite-attorney.com website, for example, I
found these statistics:

a.. "There are approximately 5 million dog bites per year (nearly 2% of
all Americans are bitten by a dog each year)."

b.. "About 800,000 victims per year require medical attention for dog
bites."

c.. "1,000 dog-bite victims per day are seen in hospital emergency rooms
with 6,000 requiring hospitalization each year."

d.. "Dog bite losses exceed $1 billion per year with $345 million paid by
insurance companies."

Edwin Pawlowski

2005-07-28, 6:21 pm

I'm glad this thread is still going on as I had a dog problem las night

My neighbor's dog often comes over our yard. My wife gives him a treat, I
fill a small bucket so he has something to drink. We played tossing a
stick for about tem nutes too.

When the dog went home, he pissed on my tree. Should I shoot the dog or my
neighbor?

G Henslee

2005-07-28, 6:21 pm

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> I'm glad this thread is still going on as I had a dog problem las night
>
> My neighbor's dog often comes over our yard. My wife gives him a treat, I
> fill a small bucket so he has something to drink. We played tossing a
> stick for about tem nutes too.
>
> When the dog went home, he pissed on my tree. Should I shoot the dog or my
> neighbor?
>
>

Your wife.
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
;-)

SteveB

2005-07-28, 6:21 pm

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:1gbGe.7379$S72.1189@trndny06...
>
> I'm glad this thread is still going on as I had a dog problem las night
>
> My neighbor's dog often comes over our yard. My wife gives him a treat, I
> fill a small bucket so he has something to drink. We played tossing a
> stick for about tem nutes too.
>
> When the dog went home, he pissed on my tree. Should I shoot the dog or my
> neighbor?
>

I'd say shoot the tree, but then you'd be in BIG trouble from the
tree-huggers.

See what happens when you give a moocher a little entertainment, some help,
something to eat and a free drink?

As a wise man said, "No good deed goes unpunished."

It's good you told someone. Keeping that inside is bad for you.

Steve

Doug Kanter

2005-07-28, 6:21 pm

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:1gbGe.7379$S72.1189@trndny06...
>
> I'm glad this thread is still going on as I had a dog problem las night
>
> My neighbor's dog often comes over our yard. My wife gives him a treat, I
> fill a small bucket so he has something to drink. We played tossing a
> stick for about tem nutes too.
>
> When the dog went home, he pissed on my tree. Should I shoot the dog or my
> neighbor?
>

Well, you invited the dog, so protocol says you should shoot yourself, but
not fatally, or you won't learn not to invite dogs over.

SteveB

2005-07-28, 7:21 pm

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:GobGe.2552$cg.490@news02.roc.ny...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:1gbGe.7379$S72.1189@trndny06...
>
> Well, you invited the dog, so protocol says you should shoot yourself, but
> not fatally, or you won't learn not to invite dogs over.
>

You know, my wife and I were talking about this just last night .........
what would be the proper etiquette in this situation.

Thanks.

Steve

Edwin Pawlowski

2005-07-29, 12:21 am

"SteveB" <desertNOSPAMtraveler@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> You know, my wife and I were talking about this just last night .........
> what would be the proper etiquette in this situation.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve

This thread long ago turned into a pissing contest, so I figured I'd piss
against the tree too. I was able to reach a higher spot so I guess I won.
Unless the dog comes back and pees on my leg.

George E. Cawthon

2005-07-29, 1:21 am

SteveB

2005-07-29, 1:21 am

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:bCgGe.435$Dj.296@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "SteveB" <desertNOSPAMtraveler@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> This thread long ago turned into a pissing contest, so I figured I'd piss
> against the tree too. I was able to reach a higher spot so I guess I won.
> Unless the dog comes back and pees on my leg.
>

My uncle actually had a dog that would do that.

I guess it means something in dog language.

Steve

~^Johnny^~

2005-07-29, 6:21 am

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>My uncle actually had a dog that would do that.
>
>I guess it means something in dog language.

It means a wet bark.

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Doug Kanter

2005-07-29, 8:21 am

"SteveB" <desertNOSPAMtraveler@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GobGe.2552$cg.490@news02.roc.ny...
>
> You know, my wife and I were talking about this just last night .........
> what would be the proper etiquette in this situation.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
>

You could also piss on the dog.

Doug Kanter

2005-07-29, 8:21 am

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> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:50:37 -0700, "SteveB"
> <desertNOSPAMtraveler@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> It means a wet bark.

< DRUM CRASH! > :-)

phlegmatico@yahoo.com

2005-07-29, 11:21 am

> There are laws in just about every state about harming domestic pet

every state also has crop damage laws. in many, if any animal is
bothering a crop, it can be shot on sight. tomato garden, anyone?

phlegmatico@yahoo.com

2005-07-29, 11:21 am

> FARMERS,in agriculture-zoned areas,sure.
> But most if not all of the queries HERE are from URBAN homeowners,where > it is is NOT legal.

call you on it. Tell us which state you're in, so we can look up
the law

> I live in an apartment.

The OP wasn't in an apartment.

G Henslee

2005-07-29, 11:21 am

phlegmatico@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> call you on it. Tell us which state you're in, so we can look up
> the law
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The OP wasn't in an apartment.
>

Hey flem, who in the hell are you talking to?

G Henslee

2005-07-30, 1:21 am

Flem@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> every state also has crop damage laws. in many, if any animal is
> bothering a crop, it can be shot on sight. tomato garden, anyone?
>

Give it a break.

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