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Awake

2005-07-25, 10:21 am

I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
"American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.

What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more power
to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
installed everywhere except in prisons.

And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
burned down the Reichstag.

With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".

The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
just more fear mongering 24/7.

And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.

We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
nearly every day.

- - - - - -
"According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
-Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7

Donovan Rebbechi

2005-07-25, 11:21 am

On 2005-07-25, Awake <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
> I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
> yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there

This is not topical in any of the forums you've posted to. I suppose there's
a reason you don't bring this to topical forums -- as I previously pointed out
the last time I handed you your XXX, you can't defend any of this stuff, so you
post it to forums where people for the most part aren't interested in discussing
this, and hope that your bluff will go unchallenged.

It seems this is an increasingly common tactic among anti-semites, race baiters,
and hate-group kooks -- basically, the tactic is to crapflood, often with
content authored by others (e.g. verbatim copies of stormfront articles) and
hope that the post goes unchallenged. But if it is challenged, that's not a
problem, because then the crackpot can just repost and repost, usually to
unrelated groups, so there's minimal interest in challenging the content.

Basically, if you've got any balls, you'll post this to an appropriate forum
and defend your views. But prior experience indicates that you haven't, and you
won't.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Jim Tiberio

2005-07-25, 11:21 am

"Awake" <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:31LBHMJ838558.8641782407@reece.net.au...
> fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda".

For once I wish a troll was right.

rider89

2005-07-25, 12:21 pm

your tinfoil hat not fitting so well today??????

"Awake" <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:31LBHMJ838558.8641782407@reece.net.au...
>I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
> yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels
> there
> are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
> "American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
> fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
> of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.
>
> What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
> time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
> of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more
> disturbing
> though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
> to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more
> power
> to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on
> TV
> threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture
> even
> though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
> installed everywhere except in prisons.
>
> And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is
> as
> if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
> burned down the Reichstag.
>
> With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
> the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
> tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
> to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
> and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".
>
> The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
> bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
> just more fear mongering 24/7.
>
> And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
> in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
> dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
> TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these
> fake
> tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
> victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile
> collisions.
>
> We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
> police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
> first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
> this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
> nearly every day.
>
>
> - - - - - -
> "According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
> the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
> Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
> the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
> and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
> Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
> -Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7
>

Lance Armstrong

2005-07-25, 1:21 pm

Since Donovan had his turn handing you your arse, now I'll pick apart
just a FEW of the lies in here: the big lie about some
fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda.

This is documented fact, not a lie.

>What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling
number
of people- as if thousands were killed here in America.>

You must watch Cspan, or one of those news channels, because that isn't
happening here on my TV.

>Even more disturbing
though is the continued connections to the London bombings to
legislation
to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even
more power
to arrest, beat, torture and kill us.>

Well by "us" you must mean you're a terrorist. No wonder you're upset.
None of that is happening, and anytime you say our government enacted,
or even proposed legislation in less that a week is even more
preposterous. This government just doesn't work that fast.

>Even the CIA has representatives on TV
threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of
torture even
though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance
cameras
installed everywhere except in prisons.>

No kidding? Again, what channel do you watch? "The All Jihad, allah the
time" network"?

>The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
bombings in London, England>

Other than paying a little more for chronic, I've seen none of my
rights eroded. But then again I'm not a terrorist, like you apparently
are.

>And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has>

They are? I've not heard a word about them, until you mentioned it. The
crux of your problem seems to be TV, and the amount of time they spend
on certain news items. Perhaps you need to tune into CBS, NBC, or PBS,
and tune out the Al Jeerah network. How about using some of your free
time to work on that suicide-bomb kit you sent away for? Now THAT'S
something I think we all can get behind, suicide for you.

>and while all these fake
tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing

victims>

Not true. I saw the invoices, the TV channels only used certified
orhanic, genuine human tears in their shows, so there was no faked
tears.

>We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
first and justify the murder later on.>

Name one.

>Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us
this
nearly every day.>

As close as you seem to be to the CIA, seeing as how you hear from them
hourly, perhaps they should pay you a visit? Agent Mulder wants to talk
to you.

Bobby Knight

2005-07-25, 1:21 pm

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:09:09 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
<abuse@aol.com> wrote:
<clip>
>Basically, if you've got any balls, you'll post this to an appropriate forum
>and defend your views. But prior experience indicates that you haven't, and you
>won't.
>
>Cheers,

With total forethought you decide to post this to all of the
inappropriate forums too.

Dumb.
bk

SwStudio

2005-07-25, 1:21 pm

"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:09:09 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
> <abuse@aol.com> wrote:
> <clip>
>
> With total forethought you decide to post this to all of the
> inappropriate forums too.
>
> Dumb.

Does that make you dumber then, for telling someone why
you think they are dumb - then proceeding to do the same
thing?

Let me help you. No, it doesn't. It merely shows the fact
that both of you cross-posted to make your point(s) to a
greater audience.

The difference here though, is that you like to pretend that
you are above that, admonishing others like some sort of
idiotic newsgroup cop without a life.

Why did *I* continue to cross-post? Because I wanted to,
and don't care much about your opinion on the issue, Mr.
Kettle-Pot-Black.

cheers,
--
David Hirsh, director
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

R Philip Dowds

2005-07-25, 9:21 pm

One of the oddities I noted after the London bombings was that President
Bush's approval rating jumped about five points. Which made me wonder:
Had terrorists been able to totally and completely destroy London,
would Bush's approval rating have gone to 100%?

RPD / Cambridge
Facts can be your friends if you treat them right.

Awake wrote:

> I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
> yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
> are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
> "American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
> fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
> of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.
>
> What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
> time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
> of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
> though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
> to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more power
> to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
> threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
> though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
> installed everywhere except in prisons.
>
> And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
> if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
> burned down the Reichstag.
>
> With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
> the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
> tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
> to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
> and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".
>
> The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
> bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
> just more fear mongering 24/7.
>
> And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
> in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
> dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
> TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
> tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
> victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.
>
> We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
> police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
> first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
> this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
> nearly every day.
>
>
> - - - - - -
> "According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
> the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
> Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
> the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
> and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
> Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
> -Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7
>

Blue

2005-07-26, 1:21 am

"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message
news:slrnde9sk5.kfp.abuse@panix2.panix.com...
> On 2005-07-25, Awake <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:

> It seems this is an increasingly common tactic among anti-semites, race
> baiters> --

Gee, the guy expresses some sympathy with our holocaust against Semites and
you refer to HIM as an "anti-Semite, race baiter."

Of course it could just be a typo .....
Care to explain yourself?

teddysnips@hotmail.com

2005-07-26, 8:21 am

Lance Armstrong wrote:

>
> Name one.

Great Britain. Shoot-to-kill (aka judicial murder, with promises of
more to follow.). Abolition of jury trials. ID cards. Sending
prisoners to foreign countries so that they can be tortured with
impunity. Sorry, that last one's the USA.

Edward

Andy Sullivan

2005-07-26, 9:21 am

<teddysnips@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1122374781.365309.186050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Lance Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> Great Britain. Shoot-to-kill (aka judicial murder, with promises of
> more to follow.). Abolition of jury trials. ID cards. Sending
> prisoners to foreign countries so that they can be tortured with
> impunity. Sorry, that last one's the USA.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Somewhere Orwell is saying
"I told you so":

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050616-5004.html

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-...html?tag=st.num

danlucy@att.net

2005-07-26, 9:21 am

Idiots like you should certainly avoid coffee.

Awake

2005-07-26, 9:21 am

On 25 Jul 2005, "Lance Armstrong" <lancearmstr@gmail.com> wrote:
>Since Donovan had his turn handing you your arse, now I'll pick apart
>just a FEW of the lies in here: the big lie about some
>fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda.
>
>This is documented fact, not a lie.

Care to quote some of the "documentation"?

All media reports of "Al Qaeda" use the CIA as the source. Literally, without
the CIA there is no "Al Qaeda". Every one of those ludicrous videotapes of
the mysterious bearded man of the mountains is "verified as authentic"
by the CIA and no other entity.

Think about it, you have seen Osama Bin Laden -the most wanted man in
world history- on your TV more times in the last three and half years than
you have seen Robin XXXXXXXX, Jim Carey and Chris Rock.

Hey next time you venture into the supermarket check the box of Wheaties,
maybe "Osama Bin Laden" is on there too!

The only place "Osama Bin Laden" is not is in the back of a police car hand cuffed.

>legislation to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even
>more power to arrest, beat, torture and kill us.>
>
>Well by "us" you must mean you're a terrorist.

No I was thinking about the innocent, gainfully employed Brazilian
shot dead in London a few days ago.

I am also thinking about the video I saw not on TV, but on the Web site
of a Florida TV station made by a police officer's camera during a
traffic stop in which he nearly electrocuted a woman who would not
hang up her cell phone fast enough to suit him. I will never forget
her screams. The tape of this black woman being Tasered is
at least ten times worse than the Rodney King beating tape yet
no national TV network in America will show it. Every Taser would
be removed from every police department within a month if they did
show this tape. So much for the "liberal" media.

I think this was in Boynton Beach, Florida.

>bombings in London, England>
>
>Other than paying a little more for chronic, I've seen none of my
>rights eroded.

According to the search engine I used "chronic" is a powerful, smokable form
of dope, so I see that Donovan has drawn some high quality allies to his cause.

>in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
>dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
>TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has>
>
>They are? I've not heard a word about them, until you mentioned it.

Stop smoking dope and wake up!

- - - - - -
"According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
-Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7

Awake

2005-07-26, 10:21 am

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Donovan Rebbechi <abuse@aol.com> wrote:
>On 2005-07-25, Awake <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
> as I previously pointed out
>the last time I handed you your XXX, you can't defend any of this stuff,

You are delusional. You have yet to offer a serious challenge to any
argument I have put forward.

Nonetheless, I did rip you a new one in the thread "CIA Bombs London"
posted to:

alt.coffee,alt.autos.bmw,alt.home.repair,rec.sport.tennis,rec.running

I do look forward to you either running away to hide or completely disassembling
and I'm sure you will not disappoint me.

- - - - - -
"According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
-Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7

Donovan Rebbechi

2005-07-26, 10:21 am

On 2005-07-26, Awake <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Donovan Rebbechi <abuse@aol.com> wrote:
>
> You are delusional. You have yet to offer a serious challenge to any
> argument I have put forward.

You have yet to offer a serious argument to a serious topical forum.
Basically, you are too stupid to write a coherent argument. A coherent
argument needs to contain at least the following:

(1) a central proposition
(2) a number of claims in support of that proposition
(3) attempts to substantiate those claims

Unfortunately, your "arguments" invariably include a large number of claims
that are not related to the proposition that you are trying to argue.

Until you (a) construct something that resembles an argument, and (b) post
it to an appropriate forum, I submit that you haven't even offered anything
worthy of rebuttal.

> Nonetheless, I did rip you a new one in the thread "CIA Bombs London"
> posted to:
>
> alt.coffee,alt.autos.bmw,alt.home.repair,rec.sport.tennis,rec.running

... a case in point. In how many of these forums is your incoherent
rambling topical ? None. In fact, crapflooding a large number of groups
with propaganda is probably a violation of your terms of service.

Why post to these forums ? Because you can't defend your idiotic
theories, so you rely on bluffing in front of people who are largely
disinterested.

Thank you for making my point.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Matt 'Ocho' Aamold

2005-07-26, 11:21 am

teddysnips@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Lance Armstrong wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Great Britain. Shoot-to-kill (aka judicial murder, with promises of
> more to follow.). Abolition of jury trials. ID cards. Sending
> prisoners to foreign countries so that they can be tortured with
> impunity. Sorry, that last one's the USA.
>
> Edward
>
Everyone is blaming the police but I have a theory - If the guy wouldn't
have ran he wouldn't be dead.

2005-07-26, 1:21 pm

This may not be the newest issue. It is the most important.

Our growing loss of cherished rights and freedoms.

The British police last week executed an innocent man without hesitation. He
was not the suspected Arab terrorist but a worthy Brazilian electrician. (Oh
well, all those darkly complected people are the same, aren't they?)

Here in Canada several people have been clapped in solitary confinement for
months and even years. Not only have no charges been laid against them,
neither they nor their lawyers are given any reason.

The US operates virtual concentration camps complete with torture chambers.
The great republic is gripped by the pumped up paranoia of phoney
patriotism.

Rights and legal principles which have evolved with great struggle over a
millennium are being discarded. There has been national handwringing in both
Canada and the US over what we did to the Japanese in 1941 yet we are doing
precisely the same thing to Arabs and Muslims!!!

One wonders if, rather than blasted busses and torn trains this is the real
objective of the bombers.

They have put our belief in law and justice to the test and we have failed!

"R Philip Dowds" <rpdowds@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a1fFe.17073$aY6.11819@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> One of the oddities I noted after the London bombings was that President
> Bush's approval rating jumped about five points. Which made me wonder:
> Had terrorists been able to totally and completely destroy London, would
> Bush's approval rating have gone to 100%?
>
> RPD / Cambridge
> Facts can be your friends if you treat them right.
>
> Awake wrote:
>
>

Blue

2005-07-26, 5:21 pm

Afraid to take on the question? Why not just roll out your standard
issue of ad hominems, as that is your style.

Alternatively you could give us a long scholarly dissertation as to why
Judaism is a race and anyone who looks askance at it is thus a racist.
The world awaits your brilliant discourse proving this.

"Blue" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:dc4c32$2ohg$1@zook.lafn.org...
>
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnde9sk5.kfp.abuse@panix2.panix.com...
>
>
> Gee, the guy expresses some sympathy with our holocaust against Semites
> and you refer to HIM as an "anti-Semite, race baiter."
>
> Of course it could just be a typo .....
> Care to explain yourself?
>
>
>

myjunkcan1@hotmail.com

2005-07-26, 7:21 pm

Awake wrote:
> I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
> yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
> are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
> "American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
> fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
> of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.
>
> What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
> time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
> of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
> though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
> to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more power
> to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
> threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
> though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
> installed everywhere except in prisons.
>
> And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
> if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
> burned down the Reichstag.
>
> With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
> the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
> tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
> to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
> and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".
>
> The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
> bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
> just more fear mongering 24/7.
>
> And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
> in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
> dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
> TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
> tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
> victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.
>
> We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
> police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
> first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
> this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
> nearly every day.
>
>
> - - - - - -
> "According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
> the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
> Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
> the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
> and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
> Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
> -Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7

myjunkcan1@hotmail.com

2005-07-26, 7:21 pm

myjunkcan1@hotmail.com

2005-07-26, 8:21 pm

There has been hand wringing in the UK too over what Japan inflicted on
our POW's in WW2 but no-one seems to listen.
It cuts both ways pal!

TheVicar

2005-07-26, 8:21 pm

<myjunkcan1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> There has been hand wringing in the UK too over what Japan inflicted on
> our POW's in WW2 but no-one seems to listen.
> It cuts both ways pal!

what nonsense are you spouting? are you saying because they comitted evil
that justifies us comitting evil? we're the good guys. we don't do that sort
of thing...or at least we shouldnt. listen to yourself. you sound like an
idiot.

>

Gort

2005-07-27, 1:21 am

teddysnips@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Lance Armstrong wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Great Britain. Shoot-to-kill (aka judicial murder, with promises of
> more to follow.). Abolition of jury trials. ID cards. Sending
> prisoners to foreign countries so that they can be tortured with
> impunity. Sorry, that last one's the USA.
>
> Edward
>

And what do you think the terrorists plan for YOU?

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2005-07-27, 8:21 am

"Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
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> teddysnips@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> And what do you think the terrorists plan for YOU?

another person who feels that acting like terrorists is acceptable. so how
can you criticize them?

>
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multi

2005-07-27, 4:21 pm

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:18 -0700, Matt 'Ocho' Aamold
<""m_aam_old\"@comcast.net remove the _"> wrote:

>Everyone is blaming the police but I have a theory - If the guy wouldn't
> have ran he wouldn't be dead.

Nice theory. The problem is, they were plain-clothes cops. If you
were a guy who looked vaguely Asian, did not speak English as a first
language, and was aware that vigilantes were out looking for revenge
against Arabs, and saw some people running toward you, looking angry
and waving guns, what would you do?

sfb

2005-07-27, 4:21 pm

And what proof have you that he "was aware that vigilantes were out
looking for revenge?"

"multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:18 -0700, Matt 'Ocho' Aamold
> <""m_aam_old\"@comcast.net remove the _"> wrote:
>
>
> Nice theory. The problem is, they were plain-clothes cops. If you
> were a guy who looked vaguely Asian, did not speak English as a first
> language, and was aware that vigilantes were out looking for revenge
> against Arabs, and saw some people running toward you, looking angry
> and waving guns, what would you do?

Gort

2005-07-27, 7:21 pm

5By5 wrote:[color=darkred]
> "Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
> news:jcidne_tMeQsnHrfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> another person who feels that acting like terrorists is acceptable. so how
> can you criticize them?
>
>

You can't criticize.... hell, you can't even answer the question.
Those "people" feel that it is their Allah-given duty to kill everyone
that is not a member of their particular sect, including Muslims of
other sects. Unless you are already a member of the right sect, you're
marked for death.

You can stand around waiting for the executioner if you think that's
best. In fact, that might help weed out the gene pool.

I have another idea of what's best for me,

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2005-07-27, 9:21 pm

"sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote in message news:EJQFe.46$wA1.9@trnddc09...
> And what proof have you that he "was aware that vigilantes were out
> looking for revenge?"

and what proof do you have that he didn't? it's a reasonable assumption. he
was an electrician. it was a tragic mistake. he obviously didnt realize they
were policemen since he had done nothing wrong. shooting him in the head
while 5 held him down seems a bit excessive but the cops are obviously a
little "stressed" and if he had been a bomber they'd be heroes...but he
wasnt...so they have to answer. they'll probably get off with it being
catalogued a reasonable mistake given the circumstances. doenst help the
family of the innocent man or the policeman that shot him deal with it.

>
> "multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote in message
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>
>

TheVicar

2005-07-27, 9:21 pm

"Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
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> 5By5 wrote:
>
> You can't criticize.... hell, you can't even answer the question.
> Those "people" feel that it is their Allah-given duty to kill everyone
> that is not a member of their particular sect, including Muslims of other
> sects. Unless you are already a member of the right sect, you're marked
> for death.

so you feel that we should wipe out everyone that's a member of their sect.
nice. personally i think we have a whole slew of laws that help us deal with
people like them already and i'd rather not have us lose our humanity by
torturing people. we have this thing called due process and innocent until
proven guilty. radical ideas i know.

>
> You can stand around waiting for the executioner if you think that's best.
> In fact, that might help weed out the gene pool.
>
> I have another idea of what's best for me,

well i'm part of a society. you're an animal.

>
>
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sfb

2005-07-27, 11:21 pm

Assumption be the word. I made no claims only asked what, when, where
was your evidence.

"TheVicar" <whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote in message news:EJQFe.46$wA1.9@trnddc09...
>
> and what proof do you have that he didn't? it's a reasonable
> assumption. he was an electrician. it was a tragic mistake. he
> obviously didnt realize they were policemen since he had done nothing
> wrong. shooting him in the head while 5 held him down seems a bit
> excessive but the cops are obviously a little "stressed" and if he had
> been a bomber they'd be heroes...but he wasnt...so they have to
> answer. they'll probably get off with it being catalogued a reasonable
> mistake given the circumstances. doenst help the family of the
> innocent man or the policeman that shot him deal with it.
>
>
>

Twittering One

2005-07-27, 11:21 pm

Is London in the USA ~ ?

"Assumption be the word. I made no claims
Only asked what, when, where
Was your evidence."
~ SFB

"The Lamentation."
~ Twittergin

Twittering One

2005-07-27, 11:21 pm

"How did that come into the conversation
About pagans, Xtians
And those loony Muslims?"
~ dr P

"Philosophical speculation and recent history
Alike had prepared the way
For an understanding of the process by which,
In times long past,
The gods had been recruited
>From the ranks of mortal men."

~ Jean Seznec,
>From "The Survival of the Pagan Gods"

multi

2005-07-28, 12:21 am

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:52:20 GMT, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote:
>And what proof have you that he "was aware that vigilantes were out
>looking for revenge?"

None that would satisfy a mind like yours. For reasonable people,
however, the fact that he was an electrician indicates he wasn't
retarded, and the fact that he lived in London indicates that he
couldn't avoid hearing the news about the bombings, including the
universally reported fear of racist reprisals against Muslims.
"reprisals london muslims" got me over 50,000 hits on Google News.

Matt 'Ocho' Aamold

2005-07-28, 2:21 am

multi wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:18 -0700, Matt 'Ocho' Aamold
> <""m_aam_old\"@comcast.net remove the _"> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Nice theory. The problem is, they were plain-clothes cops. If you
> were a guy who looked vaguely Asian, did not speak English as a first
> language, and was aware that vigilantes were out looking for revenge
> against Arabs, and saw some people running toward you, looking angry
> and waving guns, what would you do?

Waiving Guns? Looking angry? Running towards you? what research proof do
you have that says all the above happened? Vigilantes...where?

- BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers
had challenged a known suspect they had been following.

"He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning,
they then shot him." -

Because he didn't listen

TheVicar

2005-07-28, 7:21 am

"Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <""m_aam_old\"@comcast.net remove the _"> wrote in
message news:n9KdnfqYXYeK_XXfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> multi wrote:
>
> Waiving Guns? Looking angry? Running towards you? what research proof do
> you have that says all the above happened? Vigilantes...where?
>
> - BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had
> challenged a known suspect they had been following.

yea, those reports turned out to be incorrect. or at least if he was a
"known suspect" the police have now admitted they were mistaken and the
unfortunate fellow wasnt involved in any wrong doing.

>
> "He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then
> shot him." -

they gave him a warning, 5 of them tackled him, and while he was on the
ground under 4 officers they shot him in the head.

now my sentence above has no judgement in it. it is just the facts that i've
read and heard from several sources.

>
> Because he didn't listen

Simon

2005-07-28, 8:21 am

>From all the reports I've seen over here, he was a Brazlian electrician
and had been in the UK for about 3 years. He lived at an address that
was being watched by the police in connection with the recent terrorist
activities. When he left the house, he was challenged by the armed,
non-uniform police and then he ran off. After a chase, he ran down into
an underground station and onto a train where he was shot.

We can only assume that the reason the police felt they had to kill him
instantly was that he presented a threat to them and the public, either
by carrying firearms or a bomb.

Why did he run away? Who knows? I have heard that his visa had expired
and also that he used to live in an area of Brazil that had armed gangs
and you wouldn't stop if they asked you to.

It's a pretty shocking and tragic thing to happen here, but I expect in
any country, if someone suspected of bombing a subway train runs away
when challenged by armed police, and runs into an underground train,
then the result would be the same.

TheVicar

2005-07-28, 8:21 am

"Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> and had been in the UK for about 3 years. He lived at an address that
> was being watched by the police in connection with the recent terrorist
> activities. When he left the house, he was challenged by the armed,
> non-uniform police and then he ran off. After a chase, he ran down into
> an underground station and onto a train where he was shot.
>
> We can only assume that the reason the police felt they had to kill him
> instantly was that he presented a threat to them and the public, either
> by carrying firearms or a bomb.

that was my initial thought as well. i'm sure the police behaved in a
responsible and professional manner. so an investigation is warranted and
i'm sure the cop will be cleared.

>
> Why did he run away? Who knows? I have heard that his visa had expired
> and also that he used to live in an area of Brazil that had armed gangs
> and you wouldn't stop if they asked you to.
>
> It's a pretty shocking and tragic thing to happen here, but I expect in
> any country, if someone suspected of bombing a subway train runs away
> when challenged by armed police, and runs into an underground train,
> then the result would be the same.

i agree that the result could have been the same anywhere with the same sort
of tensions. that doesnt necessarily excuse it.

>

John Adams

2005-07-28, 8:21 am

"TheVicar" <whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote in message news:qe2dnW0KnYXyKXXfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>
> "Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1122545930.714724.259770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

No, we can also assume the police obscenely overstepped their
authority and made "a mistake" (their words).
[color=darkred]
> that was my initial thought as well. i'm sure the police behaved in a
> responsible and professional manner. so an investigation is warranted and
> i'm sure the cop will be cleared.

What a moron.

TheVicar

2005-07-28, 8:21 am

"John Adams" <nospam@rmii.net> wrote in message
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> "TheVicar" <whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> No, we can also assume the police obscenely overstepped their
> authority and made "a mistake" (their words).

that is clearly another assumption that can be made. that's why you
investigate.

>
>
> What a moron.

some hostilility, johnny? thats why an investigation is needed. i didnt say
let the guy go. clearly something happened that shouldnt have. i'm sort of
fond of the way we do business over here in the USA and i'll go with the
presumption of innocence until the guy has a trial.

oh, and fuck you.

>
>

John Adams

2005-07-28, 9:21 am

"TheVicar" <whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ZK2dnbZxr9BTJ3XfRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>
> "John Adams" <nospam@rmii.net> wrote in message
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>
> that is clearly another assumption that can be made. that's why you
> investigate.

Huh? You can't read what you just wrote:

[color=darkred]
>
> some hostilility, johnny? thats why an investigation is needed. i didnt say
> let the guy go. clearly something happened that shouldnt have. i'm sort of
> fond of the way we do business over here in the USA and i'll go with the
> presumption of innocence until the guy has a trial.

Was the murdered victim presumed innocent? What kind
of trial did he have?

Like I said, you're a freaking moron. And you're everything
that's wrong with America today.

TheVicar

2005-07-28, 9:21 am

"John Adams" <nospam@rmii.net> wrote in message
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> "TheVicar" <whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZK2dnbZxr9BTJ3XfRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>
> Huh? You can't read what you just wrote:

huh? can't you follow a thread in a newsgroup? I didnt say it was the ONLY
assumption that could be drawn. that was some other poster.

>
>
>
> Was the murdered victim presumed innocent? What kind
> of trial did he have?

what's your point? FWIW, i believe the police probably overstepped their
bounds, over reacted and caused a tragedy. but that's my belief and i'm not
going to get all worked up about it as long as the system is working. If, on
the other hand, the cops were being let off with no investigation,
punishment, or anything i'd be as pissed as you are. It's just not time yet.

remember, the very same day the poor guy was shot the police came out and
admitted they made a mistake. how hard do you think it would have been for
them to say he was a brazilian sympathizer and member of some sleeper cell?
do you think there would have been many people that questioned that story?
the fact that they came right out and said, "no. it was a mistake. he was in
no way involved" should tell you something.

>
> Like I said, you're a freaking moron. And you're everything
> that's wrong with America today.

well i'm glad we have that settled. someone should do something about me.
how about you, big guy?

>
>

Gort

2005-07-28, 12:21 pm

TheVicar wrote:
> "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote in message news:EJQFe.46$wA1.9@trnddc09...
>
>
>
> and what proof do you have that he didn't? it's a reasonable assumption. he
> was an electrician. it was a tragic mistake. he obviously didnt realize they
> were policemen since he had done nothing wrong. shooting him in the head
> while 5 held him down seems a bit excessive but the cops are obviously a
> little "stressed" and if he had been a bomber they'd be heroes...but he
> wasnt...so they have to answer. they'll probably get off with it being
> catalogued a reasonable mistake given the circumstances. doenst help the
> family of the innocent man or the policeman that shot him deal with it.
>
>

Where exactly did you get the thought that anyone was holding him down?
He was thought to be carrying an EXPLOSIVE device. No one with any
sense at all would get that close. For 6 people ( your 5 holding + 1
shooting )to do it is unbelievable.

>
>

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2005-07-28, 12:21 pm

TheVicar wrote:
> "Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
> news:hsWdnXCxrbWFmXXfRVn-1A@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> so you feel that we should wipe out everyone that's a member of their sect.
> nice. personally i think we have a whole slew of laws that help us deal with
> people like them already and i'd rather not have us lose our humanity by
> torturing people. we have this thing called due process and innocent until
> proven guilty. radical ideas i know.
>
>
>
>
> well i'm part of a society. you're an animal.
>
>

You're part of a soon-to-be-extinct society if you choose to stand
around and wait to be slaughtered.

I prefer to be "an animal". They have good survival instincts.

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G Henslee

2005-07-28, 1:21 pm

Why yes it is you off topic posting asswipe.

London, Kentucky
London, Ohio
London, Arkansas
London, California
London, Indiana
London, Michigan
London, Pennsylvania
London, Texas
London, Missouri
London, Wisconsin

FOAD.

TheVicar

2005-07-28, 2:21 pm

"Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
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> TheVicar wrote:
>
> Where exactly did you get the thought that anyone was holding him down?
> He was thought to be carrying an EXPLOSIVE device. No one with any sense
> at all would get that close. For 6 people ( your 5 holding + 1
> shooting )to do it is unbelievable.

well i read it...what i read was 5 people total, 4 holding him down and one
shooting in the head. now i realize i owe you a link here but ebfore i go to
the trouble searching for it and putting it here is there any point? will
you just mutter "liberal media" as you walk away?

>
>
>
>
>
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call_me@1-800-555-1212.com

2005-07-28, 3:21 pm

We are all in for a big surprise.
Al Qaeda will vanish right after the 2008 U.S. presidential election
and will never be heard from again. Osama Bin Ladin will also
disappear and will never be found. In fact, the only remnants of
Osama will be the mask used for his photo shoot.

------------------------

On 25 Jul 2005 12:44:25 -0000, Awake <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:

>I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
>yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
>are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
>"American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
>fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
>of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.
>
>What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
>time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
>of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
>though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
>to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more power
>to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
>threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
>though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
>installed everywhere except in prisons.
>
>And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
>if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
>burned down the Reichstag.
>
>With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
>the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
>tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
>to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
>and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".
>
>The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
>bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
>just more fear mongering 24/7.
>
>And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
>in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
>dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
>TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
>tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
>victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.
>
>We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
>police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
>first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
>this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
>nearly every day.
>
>
>- - - - - -
>"According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
>the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
>Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
>the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
>and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
>Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
>-Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7

MUADIB®

2005-07-28, 10:21 pm

>London, Kentucky
>London, Ohio
>London, Arkansas
>London, California
>London, Indiana
>London, Michigan
>London, Pennsylvania
>London, Texas
>London, Missouri
>London, Wisconsin

Uh,..........you forgot London Bridge

Remove "YOURPANTIES" to reply

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Awake

2005-07-29, 1:21 am

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Gort <Gort@uranus.not> wrote:
>
>I prefer to be "an animal". They have good survival instincts.

A human being with good survival instincts would destroy the CIA, MI6
and the Israelis, for they surely mean to destroy us.

Those robots being built are not for our future leisure but to replace
most of humanity. That will happen within sixty years as the robots
are at the "Model T" stage of development.

- - - - - -
"According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
-Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7

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