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tile - changing color via a newer process?
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| Todd H. 2005-07-28, 6:21 pm |
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I have some lovely 70's light green tile in a shower that a Realtor
indicator could be changed to a more neutral color with a new process
that's inexpensive, fast to do and you can use the same day after it's
processed.
I _think_ this may be known as reglazing, but I'm not certain.
Anyone have any more info on that? I've googled and found some
refereences to a Glasstech 9000 process, but remarkably little seems
to be said about this process as a whole. I'm considering it as a
means to dress up a bathroom in preparation for home sale and would
welcome any further to educate myself on choosing refinishers to do
this work.
Best Regards,
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Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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"Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message news:847jfar84j.fsf@ripco.com...
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> I have some lovely 70's light green tile in a shower that a Realtor
> indicator could be changed to a more neutral color with a new process
> that's inexpensive, fast to do and you can use the same day after it's
> processed.
>
> I _think_ this may be known as reglazing, but I'm not certain.
>
> Anyone have any more info on that? I've googled and found some
> refereences to a Glasstech 9000 process, but remarkably little seems
> to be said about this process as a whole. I'm considering it as a
> means to dress up a bathroom in preparation for home sale and would
> welcome any further to educate myself on choosing refinishers to do
> this work.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Todd H.
> http://www.toddh.net/
The only "reglazing" that I have seen is for bathtubs. A friend checked into
it and it was more expensive than replacing the tub... which we did.
Put the home on the market and see what happens. Clean and uncluttered
works for me. If the home does not sell or offers are way below what your
asking then consider spending the money
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| Charles Spitzer 2005-07-28, 8:21 pm |
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"Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message news:847jfar84j.fsf@ripco.com...
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> I have some lovely 70's light green tile in a shower that a Realtor
> indicator could be changed to a more neutral color with a new process
> that's inexpensive, fast to do and you can use the same day after it's
> processed.
>
> I _think_ this may be known as reglazing, but I'm not certain.
>
> Anyone have any more info on that? I've googled and found some
> refereences to a Glasstech 9000 process, but remarkably little seems
> to be said about this process as a whole. I'm considering it as a
> means to dress up a bathroom in preparation for home sale and would
> welcome any further to educate myself on choosing refinishers to do
> this work.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Todd H.
> http://www.toddh.net/
it's a paint, and no, it's not worth it. give the buyer a tile allowance or
price the house less to start with.
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| Richard J Kinch 2005-07-28, 10:21 pm |
| Todd H. writes:
> Anyone have any more info on that?
Tile and glaze are made at thousands of degrees. No retrofit is going to
involve that. You're looking at some kind of paint, perhaps epoxy based.
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| Duane Bozarth 2005-07-28, 11:21 pm |
| "Todd H." wrote:
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> I have some lovely 70's light green tile in a shower that a Realtor
> indicator could be changed to a more neutral color with a new process
> that's inexpensive, fast to do and you can use the same day after it's
> processed.
>
> I _think_ this may be known as reglazing, but I'm not certain.
>
> Anyone have any more info on that? I've googled and found some
> refereences to a Glasstech 9000 process, but remarkably little seems
> to be said about this process as a whole. I'm considering it as a
> means to dress up a bathroom in preparation for home sale and would
> welcome any further to educate myself on choosing refinishers to do
> this work.
These are almost (if not all) franchisee operations from a "veritable
plethora" of outfits but all are variations of an epoxy or acrylic
surface application. Better ones will do a good job of resurfacing the
existing to get a good bond, others may simply hand sand a little and
go...
I'm w/ the respondent who suggested first just putting it on the market
unless it's really ugly or stained...you could always do it if it seems
to be a stumbling block at that point. If you do, you'll probably have
to disclose it in order to cya in case it starts failing after a sale in
short order...
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| G Henslee 2005-07-28, 11:21 pm |
| Todd H. wrote:
> I have some lovely 70's light green tile in a shower that a Realtor
> indicator could be changed to a more neutral color with a new process
> that's inexpensive, fast to do and you can use the same day after it's
> processed.
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WTF does a realtor know???
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| Duane Bozarth 2005-07-29, 12:21 am |
| G Henslee wrote:
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> Todd H. wrote:
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> WTF does a realtor know???
What superficial cosmetics cab make a house sell faster, maybe???
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| G Henslee 2005-07-29, 12:21 pm |
| Duane Bozarth wrote:
> G Henslee wrote:
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> What superficial cosmetics cab make a house sell faster, maybe???
Specifically, WTF does a realtor know about a tile reglazing technique.
Answer is they don't know shit about it. Most realtors know 2 things.
Charge 6% or more to list the property and then turn it all over to a
title company to process when a buyer comes along. Secondly they know
how to keep their license to steal current with the state.
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| Todd H. 2005-07-29, 12:21 pm |
| G Henslee <ghen@cableone.net> writes:
> Duane Bozarth wrote:
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> Specifically, WTF does a realtor know about a tile reglazing
> technique. Answer is they don't know shit about it.
This particular realtor I spoke with appears to know more than most
here on the subject at hand--i.e. that the process exists and does
deliver a neutral color on existing tile in good condition for about
$400. The more I talk to the reglazing guys (I've spoken with 3 now),
they all say "Yeah I hear 'i didn't know that was possible' at least
once a day."
Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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| G Henslee 2005-07-29, 12:21 pm |
| Todd H. wrote:
> G Henslee <ghen@cableone.net> writes:
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> This particular realtor I spoke with appears to know more than most
> here on the subject at hand--i.e. that the process exists and does
> deliver a neutral color on existing tile in good condition for about
> $400. The more I talk to the reglazing guys (I've spoken with 3 now),
> they all say "Yeah I hear 'i didn't know that was possible' at least
> once a day."
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> Best Regards,
> --
> Todd H.
> http://www.toddh.net/
If you consider this you should contact a licensed pro. It's a process
that takes careful thorough preperation and application.
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| Todd H. 2005-07-29, 1:21 pm |
| G Henslee <ghen@cableone.net> writes:
> If you consider this you should contact a licensed pro. It's a
> process that takes careful thorough preperation and application.
Oh absolutely! I wouldn't dare deal with some of the fairly nasty
chemicals here myself. Thanks for the reply.
Here's a web page of a place that appears to use the Kott system that
one of the folks I'm considering uses. It appears to have lower
toxicity and better adhesion than competing processes, but has a
longer drying time (72 hrs).
http://www.customglaze.com/about_resurfacing.html
I need to circle back and find out more details on the process used by
the other folks I've talked to.
Thanks all for the input.
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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| Todd H. 2005-07-29, 1:21 pm |
| t@toddh.net (Todd H.) writes:
> G Henslee <ghen@cableone.net> writes:
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> Oh absolutely! I wouldn't dare deal with some of the fairly nasty
> chemicals here myself. Thanks for the reply.
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> Here's a web page of a place that appears to use the Kott system that
> one of the folks I'm considering uses. It appears to have lower
> toxicity and better adhesion than competing processes, but has a
> longer drying time (72 hrs).
> http://www.customglaze.com/about_resurfacing.html
Ah, here's the manufacturer's page:
http://www.kottkoatings.com/koated_gallery.html
Durability appears to be the only outstanding concern. The franchisee
I talked to guarantee for 90 days, but mentioned apartment clients,
and satisfaction, and the usual stuff.
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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"Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message news:84oe8lbqvi.fsf@ripco.com...
> G Henslee <ghen@cableone.net> writes:
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> This particular realtor I spoke with appears to know more than most
> here on the subject at hand--i.e. that the process exists and does
> deliver a neutral color on existing tile in good condition for about
> $400.
Tile is created from clay and then baked in a kiln once for color and then
again for the glaze. Anything that can take that out and still meet the EPA
guidelines for $400, I am interested in.
$400 says to me epoxy paint.
I am in suspenders, post the information from the realtor. Phone number,
address, name, web page etc...
Me thinks that when the request for info comes there will be a stalling
tactic or "that is not what I meant."
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| G Henslee 2005-07-29, 1:21 pm |
| SQLit wrote:
> "Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message news:84oe8lbqvi.fsf@ripco.com...
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> Tile is created from clay and then baked in a kiln once for color and then
> again for the glaze. Anything that can take that out and still meet the EPA
> guidelines for $400, I am interested in.
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> $400 says to me epoxy paint.
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> I am in suspenders, post the information from the realtor. Phone number,
> address, name, web page etc...
> Me thinks that when the request for info comes there will be a stalling
> tactic or "that is not what I meant."
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"Reglazing" is misleading, even though the guys that do their finish's
glaze. I would hope that most people understand they are not getting
their tile actully 'reglazed'. Refinishing would be a better term.
Depends upon what the definition of is, is I spose.
The 'refinishing' process as stated by one contractor goes:
Step 1: Strip out the old caulk form around the tub and unscrew the
overflow plate (when possible)
Step 2: Set-up our powerful negative ventilation system & chemically
clean the tub and lightly sand it.
Step 3: Remove the drain cover, clean & sand the area.
Step 4: Acid etch the tub removing the old finish leaving it dull and
ready to prime. This step is key!
Step 5: Repair most chips 100% free using a special patching compound.
Step 6: Sand and blend the patched areas and sterilize the entire tub.
Step 7: Mask off the entire room including the floor.
Step 8: Set-up our hot turbine air compressor & remote air supply
Step 9: Apply the chemical primer including a powerful bonding agent
designed to bond to ceramic.
Step 10: Spray 2-3 coats of primer and allow it to dry.
Step 11: Tac-cloth and smooth the tub and install your free glazed in
anti-slip grip base.
Step 12: Mix our 2 part top coat consisting of a catalyst & resign, let
it induct & prepare to spray the top coat.
Step 13: Spray the tub giving you a total of 6+ coats leaving you with
amazing like new results.
Step 14: Clean up and remove the masking and pack up our equipment.
Step 15: Caulk the tub & put back any hardware that was removed
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"Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message news:84r7dhk5ac.fsf@ripco.com...
> G Henslee <ghen@cableone.net> writes:
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> Oh absolutely! I wouldn't dare deal with some of the fairly nasty
> chemicals here myself. Thanks for the reply.
>
> Here's a web page of a place that appears to use the Kott system that
> one of the folks I'm considering uses. It appears to have lower
> toxicity and better adhesion than competing processes, but has a
> longer drying time (72 hrs).
> http://www.customglaze.com/about_resurfacing.html
>
> I need to circle back and find out more details on the process used by
> the other folks I've talked to.
>
> Thanks all for the input.
> --
> Todd H.
> http://www.toddh.net/
from web page supplied
" If you would like a complete copy of the testing reports as well as a
specially prepared report on the dangers of urethane paints, ask Custom
Glaze for the details, we will be happy to forward those reports to you. "
http://www.ecohome.org/ecolution/ec...n/6eco_ren.html
My searches with Google seem to indicate that the product has been around
for some time.
(Unbeknownst to me)
Kott franchises the products so your left with the installer. $400 bucks
for a tile tub surround seems cheap to me. But what do I know.
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| Todd H. 2005-07-29, 2:21 pm |
| "SQLit" <sqlit@qwest.net> writes:
> from web page supplied " If you would like a complete copy of the
> testing reports as well as a specially prepared report on the
> dangers of urethane paints, ask Custom Glaze for the details, we
> will be happy to forward those reports to you. "
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> http://www.ecohome.org/ecolution/ec...n/6eco_ren.html
Correct. The Kott dudes don't use the urethane paints, so they're
marketing to highlight dangers of the competing process.
> My searches with Google seem to indicate that the product has been around
> for some time.
> (Unbeknownst to me)
Yeah, I guess it's been around for 15 years or more.
> Kott franchises the products so your left with the installer. $400
> bucks for a tile tub surround seems cheap to me. But what do I
> know.
Yes it does seem very cost effective, hence the appeal!
Best Regards,
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Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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