Home Repair forum - Three phase AC

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Three phase AC

Parsons@datasync.com

2005-07-29, 8:21 pm

I'm getting ready to install a new 5 ton compressor and handler in the
house I'm renovating in New Orleans. When the contractor came out to
evaluate the situation we discovered that the old units were Three
phase 240 volt compressors. The electrical contractor seems to think
that 3 phase units will cost a lot more but will save me money in the
long haul. It's already wired for three phase so I will have to rewire
if I change to single phase. The ac contractor said there probably
won't be any significant savings running three phase equipment and I
could only get up to 12 seer in three phase units. He's pricing both
senarios so we can have some information to use for the decision. Does
anyone have any suggestions or facts that might help me in making my
decision.

Edwin Pawlowski

2005-07-29, 8:21 pm

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> <Parsons@datasync.com> wrote in message
> news:1122676401.886903.47300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> What is your power factor? Have you talked to the utility company?
>
> There are a few factors here. Some electric utilities will assist you in
> installing more efficient equipment. You tell them I can buy a single phase
> SEER 10 unit for $9000, but the SEER 12 unit is $11,500. You may get a
> portion of that $2500 difference from them.
>
> .Three phase will allow you to run smaller wires saving money on
> installation.

But you'll need more of them

hvacrmedic

Carolina Breeze HVAC

2005-07-30, 8:21 am

<Parsons@datasync.com> wrote in message
news:1122676401.886903.47300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I'm getting ready to install a new 5 ton compressor and handler in the
> house I'm renovating in New Orleans. When the contractor came out to
> evaluate the situation we discovered that the old units were Three
> phase 240 volt compressors. The electrical contractor seems to think
> that 3 phase units will cost a lot more but will save me money in the
> long haul. It's already wired for three phase so I will have to rewire
> if I change to single phase. The ac contractor said there probably
> won't be any significant savings running three phase equipment and I
> could only get up to 12 seer in three phase units. He's pricing both
> senarios so we can have some information to use for the decision. Does
> anyone have any suggestions or facts that might help me in making my
> decision.
>

3 phase units are normally considered commercial apps, and normally do cost
a bit more initially, but not always.
14 SEER 208-240VAC 3Ph units are out there, and with the 13SEER ruling in
effect Jan1, 2006, you can for sure find 13 SEER units already, but
suggestion....in your area, higher SEER will not always mean cheaper to run.
Moisture removal will be your highest priority, and unless your contractor
is familiar with setting up the higher SEER equipment for this, you could
prob save money with a 12 SEER and no higher unit.
Its your home...how high of a SEER did you want? 14? 16?
If you want to go say, 16 SEER and need to re-wire, you need to consider
this...what is the cost savings, VS the initial outlay for the re-wire and
equipment? Your contractor SHOULD be able to figure you out a cost savings
spreadsheet and if he cant, then find another contractor. Licence
requirements ini your area are spotty at best and any hack with a set of
guages can call himself a contractor.

Get firm quotes on:
Electrical re-wire.
Equipment and labor, both in 3ph and single.

Then have your cost savings sheet in front of you and then determine if the
extra $50 a year is worth the extra $$ for the rewire and keep in mind,
average life expectancy of any new unit in that clime is about 12-14 years,
tops.

Duane Bozarth

2005-07-30, 12:21 pm

RP wrote:
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> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
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> But you'll need more of them

But he's got existing equipment so it's already wired...

TURTLE

2005-07-30, 12:21 pm

<Parsons@datasync.com> wrote in message
news:1122676401.886903.47300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I'm getting ready to install a new 5 ton compressor and handler in the
> house I'm renovating in New Orleans. When the contractor came out to
> evaluate the situation we discovered that the old units were Three
> phase 240 volt compressors. The electrical contractor seems to think
> that 3 phase units will cost a lot more but will save me money in the
> long haul. It's already wired for three phase so I will have to rewire
> if I change to single phase. The ac contractor said there probably
> won't be any significant savings running three phase equipment and I
> could only get up to 12 seer in three phase units. He's pricing both
> senarios so we can have some information to use for the decision. Does
> anyone have any suggestions or facts that might help me in making my
> decision.
>

This is Turtle.

I'm a HVAC contractor in Louisiana.

If you can get a 12 seer in 3 phase , I would go that away for New Orleans and
the very south has humidity to deal with. The 13 seer & up have trouble dealing
with the humidity. Now like others have said maybe a veriable speed blower on
the air handler. This would help deal with the Humidity problem.

Now Gulf States , CLECO, and other electric power companys in Louisiana have
different rate cost for 3 phase service and is cheaper rate than single phase.
You need to call you power supplier and ask about the 3 phase rates they have.
If you don't ask about it they tell you anything when signing you up for regular
rates. Check the 3 phase rates out.

TURTLE

SQLit

2005-07-30, 3:21 pm

<Parsons@datasync.com> wrote in message
news:1122676401.886903.47300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I'm getting ready to install a new 5 ton compressor and handler in the
> house I'm renovating in New Orleans. When the contractor came out to
> evaluate the situation we discovered that the old units were Three
> phase 240 volt compressors. The electrical contractor seems to think
> that 3 phase units will cost a lot more but will save me money in the
> long haul. It's already wired for three phase so I will have to rewire
> if I change to single phase. The ac contractor said there probably
> won't be any significant savings running three phase equipment and I
> could only get up to 12 seer in three phase units. He's pricing both
> senarios so we can have some information to use for the decision. Does
> anyone have any suggestions or facts that might help me in making my
> decision.

Not in your wildest dreams would I change from 3 phase to single phase.

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/pr...2842239&ccitem=
This is offered only as a place for you to poke around.

If your contractor comes back and the 3 phase is wildly higher call some
more contractors.
Most residential contractors do not deal with 3 phase and they are cautious
to afraid of it.
I am completely uninformed as to the Seer's of 3 phase equipment. I will
say since they will draw less I would take 3 phase over a 20 Seer single
phase anything. The cost of the electrical change over could be a lot of
money depending on the situation.
Keep calling until you get someone to put in the 3 phase you lucky dog..

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