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warning on Jenn-Air wall ovens
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| Rob Mitchell 2006-01-28, 10:21 pm |
| If you are thinking of buying a new wall oven, you may want to steer
clear of Jenn-Air.
We just replaced our 11 year old Kitchen-Aid after the control unit went
dead after a cleaning cycle.
We bought an electric single Jenn-Air model JJW9530DDB. The first one
had corrosion on the door near the hinge. It went back.
The second one worked for 1 day, then tonight it shut itself off while
broiling. Pressing Broil or Bake gives error 1C2C - and it refuses to
work. I turned off the power for 15 seconds then turned it back on.
Broil would come on, but again it turned itself off after 2-3 minutes.
It will go back obviously.
Any comments on Jenn-Air (now Maytag) quality? We've had Maytag
washer/dryers for years and they are rock solid. The Jenn-Air is a very
attractive unit with thoughtful features like a bottom element that is
enclosed and a top element which has very low clearance, but quality
seems to be lacking.
Also, none of the repair sites list error codes like 1C2C, just ones
like F1, F2...
And perhaps I'm just getting old and grumpy (very likely) but 20 years
ago, appliances were cheaper, simpler and lasted MUCH MUCH longer. (And
they were cheaper and easier to fix too). We're tossing a dead
Kitchen-Aid oven because the circuit board to fix it is $600. Go into
any appliance store and you will see massive stainless steel covered
appliances, costing $$$$$ but I suspect the internals are just as crappy
as the bottom end stuff.
Grumpy.
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| I buy all my appliances now at Lowes for one simple reason. Their 4 year
service agreement is cheap. Around $90 for 4 additional years after the
warranty expeires. With the way appliance are made now, that is the only
way to go. Other stores want $300 for same coverage.
"Rob Mitchell" <robert.mitchell@sympatico.private> wrote in message
news:HEUCf.17506$ft2.375729@news20.bellglobal.com...
> If you are thinking of buying a new wall oven, you may want to steer clear
> of Jenn-Air.
>
> We just replaced our 11 year old Kitchen-Aid after the control unit went
> dead after a cleaning cycle.
>
> We bought an electric single Jenn-Air model JJW9530DDB. The first one had
> corrosion on the door near the hinge. It went back.
>
> The second one worked for 1 day, then tonight it shut itself off while
> broiling. Pressing Broil or Bake gives error 1C2C - and it refuses to
> work. I turned off the power for 15 seconds then turned it back on. Broil
> would come on, but again it turned itself off after 2-3 minutes.
>
> It will go back obviously.
>
> Any comments on Jenn-Air (now Maytag) quality? We've had Maytag
> washer/dryers for years and they are rock solid. The Jenn-Air is a very
> attractive unit with thoughtful features like a bottom element that is
> enclosed and a top element which has very low clearance, but quality seems
> to be lacking.
>
> Also, none of the repair sites list error codes like 1C2C, just ones like
> F1, F2...
>
> And perhaps I'm just getting old and grumpy (very likely) but 20 years
> ago, appliances were cheaper, simpler and lasted MUCH MUCH longer. (And
> they were cheaper and easier to fix too). We're tossing a dead
> Kitchen-Aid oven because the circuit board to fix it is $600. Go into any
> appliance store and you will see massive stainless steel covered
> appliances, costing $$$$$ but I suspect the internals are just as crappy
> as the bottom end stuff.
>
> Grumpy.
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| Tony Hwang 2006-01-28, 10:21 pm |
| Rob Mitchell wrote:
> If you are thinking of buying a new wall oven, you may want to steer
> clear of Jenn-Air.
>
> We just replaced our 11 year old Kitchen-Aid after the control unit went
> dead after a cleaning cycle.
>
> We bought an electric single Jenn-Air model JJW9530DDB. The first one
> had corrosion on the door near the hinge. It went back.
>
> The second one worked for 1 day, then tonight it shut itself off while
> broiling. Pressing Broil or Bake gives error 1C2C - and it refuses to
> work. I turned off the power for 15 seconds then turned it back on.
> Broil would come on, but again it turned itself off after 2-3 minutes.
>
> It will go back obviously.
>
> Any comments on Jenn-Air (now Maytag) quality? We've had Maytag
> washer/dryers for years and they are rock solid. The Jenn-Air is a very
> attractive unit with thoughtful features like a bottom element that is
> enclosed and a top element which has very low clearance, but quality
> seems to be lacking.
>
> Also, none of the repair sites list error codes like 1C2C, just ones
> like F1, F2...
>
> And perhaps I'm just getting old and grumpy (very likely) but 20 years
> ago, appliances were cheaper, simpler and lasted MUCH MUCH longer. (And
> they were cheaper and easier to fix too). We're tossing a dead
> Kitchen-Aid oven because the circuit board to fix it is $600. Go into
> any appliance store and you will see massive stainless steel covered
> appliances, costing $$$$$ but I suspect the internals are just as crappy
> as the bottom end stuff.
>
> Grumpy.
No wonder Maytag is no more.
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| Rob Mitchell 2006-01-28, 10:21 pm |
| Art wrote:
> I buy all my appliances now at Lowes for one simple reason. Their 4 year
> service agreement is cheap. Around $90 for 4 additional years after the
> warranty expeires. With the way appliance are made now, that is the only
> way to go. Other stores want $300 for same coverage.
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>
Yeah, we will DEFINITELY get an extended warranty. I think they should
give it to me for free. A $2000CDN oven should last for 4 years (more
like 20)
However I'm in Canada, and I don't think we have Lowe's here.
Rob
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| Tony Hwang 2006-01-28, 11:21 pm |
| Rob Mitchell wrote:
> Art wrote:
>
> Yeah, we will DEFINITELY get an extended warranty. I think they should
> give it to me for free. A $2000CDN oven should last for 4 years (more
> like 20)
>
> However I'm in Canada, and I don't think we have Lowe's here.
>
> Rob
Hi,
I heard they're coming up here soon.
The more competition, the better.
I never buy extended warranty.
I do my own repair. So far nothing major happened to me.
Latest challenge was figuring out and refurbishing gas furnace
control logic board. Doing it myself was a saving of ~300.00.
Tony
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| RobertM 2006-01-28, 11:21 pm |
| Tony Hwang wrote:
> Rob Mitchell wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I heard they're coming up here soon.
> The more competition, the better.
> I never buy extended warranty.
> I do my own repair. So far nothing major happened to me.
> Latest challenge was figuring out and refurbishing gas furnace
> control logic board. Doing it myself was a saving of ~300.00.
> Tony
Extended warranties are a very profitable item for retailers. If you
never buy an extended warranty, you get to keep the profit by self-insuring.
Bob
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| RicodJour 2006-01-29, 12:21 am |
| RobertM wrote:
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> Extended warranties are a very profitable item for retailers.
No argument there.
> If you never buy an extended warranty, you get to keep the profit by self-insuring.
Setting that money aside as a reserve in an interest bearing account is
a fine way to hang on to that money until it's needed. Many people
just assume the risk and call it self-insuring - that's not quite the
same thing.
R
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| Rob Mitchell 2006-01-29, 1:21 am |
| Tony Hwang wrote:
> Rob Mitchell wrote:
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> Hi,
> I heard they're coming up here soon.
> The more competition, the better.
> I never buy extended warranty.
> I do my own repair. So far nothing major happened to me.
> Latest challenge was figuring out and refurbishing gas furnace
> control logic board. Doing it myself was a saving of ~300.00.
> Tony
I tried to repair the last control board. Several components were blown
off the board. I guessed a bit and replaced some resistors, diodes and
2 transisters, but the voltage regulator was shorted and it looked like
high voltage got on it. Hard to fix without drawings.
Rob
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| Rob Mitchell 2006-01-29, 2:21 am |
| RobertM wrote:
> Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>
> Extended warranties are a very profitable item for retailers. If you
> never buy an extended warranty, you get to keep the profit by
> self-insuring.
>
> Bob
I rarely buy extended warrantees. However if I have advance warning of
a low quality product (as in this case) it is a good bet to put the risk
on the manufacturer.
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| If the 4 year extra warranty was $250 I would agree with you. But for $90
and with typical service at $300, it is a no brainer. Every appliance I've
bought in the last few years has required repairs.
"RobertM" <reply@newsgroup.com> wrote in message
news:drha21$eacv$1@news3.infoave.net...
> Tony Hwang wrote:
> Extended warranties are a very profitable item for retailers. If you never
> buy an extended warranty, you get to keep the profit by self-insuring.
>
> Bob
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| PaPaPeng 2006-01-29, 5:21 am |
| On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:57:18 -0500, Rob Mitchell
<robert.mitchell@sympatico.private> wrote:
>I tried to repair the last control board. Several components were blown
>off the board. I guessed a bit and replaced some resistors, diodes and
>2 transisters, but the voltage regulator was shorted and it looked like
>high voltage got on it. Hard to fix without drawings.
>Rob
I hate all those electronics and LCD displays on new appliances. They
don't stand up well to the high temperature and power settings and
they cost a fortune to replace. No PCB is worth fixing or fixable on
site. The old appliances had clockwork stuff that needed only to
rotate and make ON/OFF contact at the set times and another bimetallic
control for temperature. All the programmable options are nonsense.
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| WConner 2006-01-29, 10:21 am |
| Whenever a dealer wants to sell me an extended warranty, I tell them if the
thing doesn't last any longer than that, I will just buy a new one of a
different brand somewhere else.
Walt Conner
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| Raymond J. Johnson Jr. 2006-01-29, 3:21 pm |
| Rob Mitchell wrote:
> RobertM wrote:
> I rarely buy extended warrantees. However if I have advance warning of
> a low quality product (as in this case) it is a good bet to put the risk
> on the manufacturer.
If extended warranties were *ever* a good bet in favor of the consumer,
they wouldn't be available. The people who sell extended warranties
*know* that the likelihood of having to pay out is in their favor. Why
would you want to make a bet when you know the odds are stacked heavily
against you?
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| I used to say the same. But after several appliane disasters and the
availability of cheap service agreements from Lowes for $90 bucks I'm
converted. I won't buy a plasma tv till I can get one with a cheap 4 year
service agreement.
"WConner" <wconner5@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eJ3Df.45421$8r1.19341@trnddc05...
> Whenever a dealer wants to sell me an extended warranty, I tell them if
> the thing doesn't last any longer than that, I will just buy a new one of
> a different brand somewhere else.
>
> Walt Conner
>
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| They are nice while they work.
"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sfuot1teck0bprg6djec70p2r02je41l4i@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:57:18 -0500, Rob Mitchell
> <robert.mitchell@sympatico.private> wrote:
>
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> I hate all those electronics and LCD displays on new appliances. They
> don't stand up well to the high temperature and power settings and
> they cost a fortune to replace. No PCB is worth fixing or fixable on
> site. The old appliances had clockwork stuff that needed only to
> rotate and make ON/OFF contact at the set times and another bimetallic
> control for temperature. All the programmable options are nonsense.
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| Neill Massello 2006-01-29, 7:21 pm |
| PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I hate all those electronics and LCD displays on new appliances. They
> don't stand up well to the high temperature and power settings and
> they cost a fortune to replace. No PCB is worth fixing or fixable on
> site. The old appliances had clockwork stuff that needed only to
> rotate and make ON/OFF contact at the set times and another bimetallic
> control for temperature. All the programmable options are nonsense.
A few have a legitimate purpose, such as saving energy, but most of them
are there to impress silly people who want to play Star Trek in the
kitchen.
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| Adam Russell 2006-01-29, 7:21 pm |
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"Raymond J. Johnson Jr." <Rayjay@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Rob Mitchell wrote:
>
> If extended warranties were *ever* a good bet in favor of the consumer,
> they wouldn't be available. The people who sell extended warranties
> *know* that the likelihood of having to pay out is in their favor. Why
> would you want to make a bet when you know the odds are stacked heavily
> against you?
Couldnt you say the same thing about insurance in general? Not saying that
extended warranties are worth it. I think they generally are overpriced,
but that the basic premise is not unjustified. You pay a little extra to
warrant against a large loss. If that large loss is no big deal to you then
the bet is unjustified. But if the large loss would really hurt you then
the warranty may be worth it.
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| Mark Lloyd 2006-01-30, 1:21 am |
| On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:45:48 -0800, "Adam Russell"
<adamrussell@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote:
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>"Raymond J. Johnson Jr." <Rayjay@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:u38Df.5408$2O6.4064@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
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>Couldnt you say the same thing about insurance in general? Not saying that
>extended warranties are worth it. I think they generally are overpriced,
>but that the basic premise is not unjustified. You pay a little extra to
>warrant against a large loss. If that large loss is no big deal to you then
>the bet is unjustified. But if the large loss would really hurt you then
>the warranty may be worth it.
>
Maybe the "extended warranty" is worthwhile if you're buying something
you can't really afford.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
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| On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:38:02 GMT, neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill
Massello) wrote:
>PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I long for the days when a gas oven had 8 parts and never broke.
[color=darkred]
>A few have a legitimate purpose, such as saving energy, but most of them
>are there to impress silly people who want to play Star Trek in the
>kitchen.
It would be nice to have the oven go on before one got home so the
roast was done when I got there. it would also be reckless imo, fires
and all that. I also don't think I like having the roast sitting
outside the fridge for 7 extra hours.
Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.
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| Mark Lloyd 2006-01-30, 3:21 pm |
| On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:23:04 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:57:18 -0500, Rob Mitchell
><robert.mitchell@sympatico.private> wrote:
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>
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>I hate all those electronics and LCD displays on new appliances. They
>don't stand up well to the high temperature and power settings and
>they cost a fortune to replace. No PCB is worth fixing or fixable on
>site. The old appliances had clockwork stuff that needed only to
>rotate and make ON/OFF contact at the set times and another bimetallic
>control for temperature. All the programmable options are nonsense.
Considering the advantages of older appliances:
When I moved into this house there was an old built-in electric oven.
It heated fine, but there was a problem with the clock. It wouldn't
keep time, but made a very loud CLUNK-CLUNK-CLUNK noise all the time.
It could be hard all over the house. It reminded me of a failed
transmission, where the gears weren't tight enough and kept slipping.
I didn't need a clock, and found it easy to remove the front panel and
change the wiring (really just removing power from the clock and
setting it to "manual"). I'm sure I couldn't have done something like
that with a new oven.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
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