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Furnace not igniting (Comfortmaker RPJ II - electronic igniter)
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| sanmateof@gmail.com 2006-10-27, 8:25 pm |
| I have a Comfortmaker RPJ II gas furnace with an electronic igniter (no
standing pilot light). The furnace and the fan come on when signaled by
the thermostat but the furnace does not light. No flames come out of
the burners. I've tested this with two different thermostats thinking
our old thermostat was not turning on the furnace. But you can hear it
come on. Any ideas what else would keep the burners from lighting/ not
igniting? or what the problem may be? There is no smell of gas. Any
help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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| On 27 Oct 2006 17:56:42 -0700, sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
>I have a Comfortmaker RPJ II gas furnace with an electronic igniter (no
>standing pilot light). The furnace and the fan come on when signaled by
>the thermostat but the furnace does not light. No flames come out of
>the burners. I've tested this with two different thermostats thinking
>our old thermostat was not turning on the furnace. But you can hear it
>come on. Any ideas what else would keep the burners from lighting/ not
>igniting? or what the problem may be? There is no smell of gas. Any
>help would be appreciated. Thanks.
You need a new thermostat. You just got a bad one.
Bubba
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| Tony Hwang 2006-10-27, 9:25 pm |
| sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a Comfortmaker RPJ II gas furnace with an electronic igniter (no
> standing pilot light). The furnace and the fan come on when signaled by
> the thermostat but the furnace does not light. No flames come out of
> the burners. I've tested this with two different thermostats thinking
> our old thermostat was not turning on the furnace. But you can hear it
> come on. Any ideas what else would keep the burners from lighting/ not
> igniting? or what the problem may be? There is no smell of gas. Any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
Hi,
If it's electronic ignitor(Piezo electric) You can hear it when it's
activated. Zap, zap, click, click kinda sound. If you don't hear it
then ignitor module could e bad. There are many things which can
malfunction. What is trouble code?
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| daytona 2006-10-27, 9:25 pm |
| Need MODEL number
<sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161997002.784126.100790@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I have a Comfortmaker RPJ II gas furnace with an electronic igniter (no
> standing pilot light). The furnace and the fan come on when signaled by
> the thermostat but the furnace does not light. No flames come out of
> the burners. I've tested this with two different thermostats thinking
> our old thermostat was not turning on the furnace. But you can hear it
> come on. Any ideas what else would keep the burners from lighting/ not
> igniting? or what the problem may be? There is no smell of gas. Any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
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| Noon-Air 2006-10-27, 9:25 pm |
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<sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161997002.784126.100790@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I have a Comfortmaker RPJ II gas furnace with an electronic igniter (no
> standing pilot light). The furnace and the fan come on when signaled by
> the thermostat but the furnace does not light. No flames come out of
> the burners. I've tested this with two different thermostats thinking
> our old thermostat was not turning on the furnace. But you can hear it
> come on. Any ideas what else would keep the burners from lighting/ not
> igniting? or what the problem may be? There is no smell of gas. Any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
when was the last time you had it checked and serviced??
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| Mo Hoaner 2006-10-27, 9:25 pm |
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"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> If it's electronic ignitor(Piezo electric) You can hear it when it's
> activated. Zap, zap, click, click kinda sound. If you don't hear it
> then ignitor module could e bad. There are many things which can
> malfunction. What is trouble code?
Piezo electric ignition in a gas furnace???? Did you know you have to push
the button every time it calls for heat? I found some replacements for you.
http://web.ivenue.com/allparts/productCat77269.ctlg
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| sanmateof@gmail.com 2006-10-27, 9:25 pm |
| The model # of the furnace is GNJ050N12D1.
I don't hear the zap, click sound which used to come before the sound
of flames.
A previous post mentioned a trouble code? Where can I check that?
I don't think it's the thermostat. I replaced my old one thinking that
was the problem. But with the new thermostat the exact same thing
happens: the furnace and fan come on, but the furnace doesn't ignite.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
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<sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161997002.784126.100790@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I have a Comfortmaker RPJ II gas furnace with an electronic igniter (no
> standing pilot light). The furnace and the fan come on when signaled by
> the thermostat but the furnace does not light. No flames come out of
> the burners. I've tested this with two different thermostats thinking
> our old thermostat was not turning on the furnace. But you can hear it
> come on. Any ideas what else would keep the burners from lighting/ not
> igniting? or what the problem may be? There is no smell of gas. Any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
Gas filter clogged.
Gas injector needs resetting.
Gas controller needs calibration.
etc.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
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<sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The model # of the furnace is GNJ050N12D1.
> I don't hear the zap, click sound which used to come before the sound
> of flames.
> A previous post mentioned a trouble code? Where can I check that?
> I don't think it's the thermostat. I replaced my old one thinking that
> was the problem. But with the new thermostat the exact same thing
> happens: the furnace and fan come on, but the furnace doesn't ignite.
>
Did you polarize the thermostat when you installed it? Comfortmaker needs
the thermostat polarized and sync'ed with the controller board before it
will work correctly.
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| sanmateof@gmail.com 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
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Oscar_Lives wrote:
> <sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162001916.953838.57830@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Did you polarize the thermostat when you installed it? Comfortmaker needs
> the thermostat polarized and sync'ed with the controller board before it
> will work correctly.
Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me how to polarize and sync the
thermostat or is special equipment required?
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| Tony Hwang 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
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sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
> Oscar_Lives wrote:
>
>
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> Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me how to polarize and sync the
> thermostat or is special equipment required?
>
Hi,
He is trolling. Trouble code is blinking LED thru small glass window.
Count the blinks to come up with a code. Like ... . will be 31.
Either you have a manual or a sheet with list of code is on the cover
panel usually.
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| sanmateof@gmail.com 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
| > Hi,
> He is trolling. Trouble code is blinking LED thru small glass window.
> Count the blinks to come up with a code. Like ... . will be 31.
> Either you have a manual or a sheet with list of code is on the cover
> panel usually.
I didn't see any LED signals. There isn't a list of codes anywhere on
the furnace either.
After more trouble shooting I'm thinking it's the igniter. Usually the
first thing you hear is the click-zap sound of the electric igniter.
That no longer happens. Can a non-professional like me replace this
part or try to service it?
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| Tony Hwang 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
| sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I didn't see any LED signals. There isn't a list of codes anywhere on
> the furnace either.
> After more trouble shooting I'm thinking it's the igniter. Usually the
> first thing you hear is the click-zap sound of the electric igniter.
> That no longer happens. Can a non-professional like me replace this
> part or try to service it?
>
Hi,
If you can see if the module is getting power when it needs to activate.
If it gets proper power and nothing happens(no sparksO, then module is a
suspect.
Problem is the module like that is often non-returnable once you buy it.
So unless absolutely sure, it's a gamble. But it's known to fail.
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| Tony Hwang 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
| Tony Hwang wrote:
> sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
> If you can see if the module is getting power when it needs to activate.
> If it gets proper power and nothing happens(no sparksO, then module is a
> suspect.
> Problem is the module like that is often non-returnable once you buy it.
> So unless absolutely sure, it's a gamble. But it's known to fail.
Hi,
It could be main control logic board as well.(the part which controls
the ignitor-probably a relay(mechanical or solid state)
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| Noon-Air 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
|
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
> It could be main control logic board as well.(the part which controls the
> ignitor-probably a relay(mechanical or solid state)
It could also be one of the many safeties that is keeping the furnace from
firing.
Sure you don't want to call a tech and get it properly checked and
serviced??
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-10-28, 3:25 am |
| On 27 Oct 2006 20:25:42 -0700, sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
>I didn't see any LED signals. There isn't a list of codes anywhere on
>the furnace either.
>After more trouble shooting I'm thinking it's the igniter. Usually the
>first thing you hear is the click-zap sound of the electric igniter.
>That no longer happens. Can a non-professional like me replace this
>part or try to service it?
NO.
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| On 27 Oct 2006 20:25:42 -0700, sanmateof@gmail.com wrote:
>I didn't see any LED signals. There isn't a list of codes anywhere on
>the furnace either.
>After more trouble shooting I'm thinking it's the igniter. Usually the
>first thing you hear is the click-zap sound of the electric igniter.
>That no longer happens. Can a non-professional like me replace this
>part or try to service it?
Tony might be guessing since he seems to be mentioning every part on
your furnace.
Do what Oscar says and try polarizing your thermostat. Get a small
jumper wire and with power applied to your furnace, briefly jumper the
R & C terminals together at the furnace 7 times.
Bubba
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"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> <sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162001916.953838.57830@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Did you polarize the thermostat when you installed it? Comfortmaker needs
> the thermostat polarized and sync'ed with the controller board before it
> will work correctly.
>
Hey meathead--you're not in the HVAC group. Your crap doesn't fit
here--save it for the sink hole you like to live in.
MLD
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| Stormin Mormon 2006-10-28, 9:25 am |
| As Steve reminds you, there are many reasons why a furnace would fail
to fire. If you just go replacing parts, it could easily cost more
than having the repair guy out.
You tried thermostat, and that didn't help. The next part(s) you
replace may be both expensive and unnecessary. At this point in time,
best to call the repairman. Before the weather gets colder, and the
rate schedule goes from "fall" to "winter".
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
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It could also be one of the many safeties that is keeping the furnace
from
firing.
Sure you don't want to call a tech and get it properly checked and
serviced??
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| Stormin Mormon 2006-10-28, 9:25 am |
| Ah, the art of internet diagnosis. The answer in general terms is that
people who can do something just go ahead and do it. The fact you're
asking tells us that it's beyond your skill level.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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<sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I didn't see any LED signals. There isn't a list of codes anywhere on
the furnace either.
After more trouble shooting I'm thinking it's the igniter. Usually the
first thing you hear is the click-zap sound of the electric igniter.
That no longer happens. Can a non-professional like me replace this
part or try to service it?
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:19:19 GMT, "MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:xpz0h.1038154$084.966915@attbi_s22...
>Hey meathead--you're not in the HVAC group. Your crap doesn't fit
>here--save it for the sink hole you like to live in.
>MLD
>
Actually, he IS in the HVAC group, and you can go fuck
yourself. Learn what a cross-post is.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-10-28, 1:25 pm |
|
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:19:19 GMT, "MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Actually, he IS in the HVAC group, and you can go fuck
> yourself. Learn what a cross-post is.
>
Thanks Paul. I had to pull out my Minion card and make sure it was
up-to-date with the current validation.
Now, what do I do with all these Minion tokens that Mike gave me? The
Minion vending machine has been broke for years since Stormin tried to
adjust the latch on the service door.
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Al Moran 2006-10-29, 1:25 pm |
| On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:32:24 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
> The
>Minion vending machine has been broke for years since Stormin tried to
>adjust the latch on the service door.
Dildo fix dat.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-10-29, 1:25 pm |
| On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:32:24 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
>
><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>news:pnn6k2petk8lffmk2sdl363r7voe502qtr@4ax.com...
>
>Thanks Paul. I had to pull out my Minion card and make sure it was
>up-to-date with the current validation.
While your wallet's out .... '07 dues are due soon .....
>
>Now, what do I do with all these Minion tokens that Mike gave me? The
>Minion vending machine has been broke for years since Stormin tried to
>adjust the latch on the service door.
Legacy Minion tokens can be updgraded to the current rev for
$1 / each. The legacy 50 cent tokens are eligible for a 50 % discount
from that fee.
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'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-10-29, 1:25 pm |
| On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:31:53 -0800, Al Moran wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:32:24 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
>wrote:
>
>
Yeh - his shoe didn't quite fit the screw heads.
[color=darkred]
>
>Dildo fix dat.
Oh, shit, now I have to buy a new one :-(
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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| bob kater 2006-10-29, 5:25 pm |
| I use propane and every year I have to bleed my gas line to the furnace
until I smell gas, close it off then try to restart and bingo!!!!!!!!! heat.
the electronic ignition will not try forever to light the furnace and the
pilot draws such a little bit of gas that its quicker to bleed the line then
keep retrying. Is your ignitor working????????
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>
> <sanmateof@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161997002.784126.100790@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> when was the last time you had it checked and serviced??
>
>
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| daytona 2006-10-29, 5:25 pm |
| depends on the ignition module
"bob kater" <bkater@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I use propane and every year I have to bleed my gas line to the furnace
>until I smell gas, close it off then try to restart and bingo!!!!!!!!!
>heat. the electronic ignition will not try forever to light the furnace and
>the pilot draws such a little bit of gas that its quicker to bleed the line
>then keep retrying. Is your ignitor working????????
>
> "Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:u-SdndlFO4P0Lt_YnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
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| Try fixing the leak in the line.
Bubba
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:35:54 GMT, "bob kater" <bkater@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
>I use propane and every year I have to bleed my gas line to the furnace
>until I smell gas, close it off then try to restart and bingo!!!!!!!!! heat.
>the electronic ignition will not try forever to light the furnace and the
>pilot draws such a little bit of gas that its quicker to bleed the line then
>keep retrying. Is your ignitor working????????
>
>"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:u-SdndlFO4P0Lt_YnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 8:25 pm |
| Tony Hwang posted for all of us...
> What is trouble code?
>
Tony, what is your code to go away?
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 8:25 pm |
| Tony Hwang posted for all of us...
> He is trolling.
>
Yeah, but you don't know anything! Go help Eigen lost his vector find ET.
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 8:25 pm |
| posted for all of us...
> I didn't see any LED signals. There isn't a list of codes anywhere on
> the furnace either.
>
Did you have your aluminum foil hat on? You NEED that to dissipate the bad
humors.
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 8:25 pm |
| Tony Hwang posted for all of us...
> If you can see if the module is getting power
>
And Tony how does he see that? Flux capacitor?
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 8:25 pm |
| Tony Hwang posted for all of us...
> It could be main control logic board
>
It could be a lot of things couldn't it Tony? Except you don't have a clue!
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 9:25 pm |
| MLD posted for all of us...
> Hey meathead--you're not in the HVAC group. Your crap doesn't fit
> here--save it for the sink hole you like to live in.
> MLD
>
>
What does MLD stand for? HMMM Major League Dipshit?
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 9:25 pm |
| Oscar_Lives posted for all of us...
> Thanks Paul. I had to pull out my Minion card and make sure it was
> up-to-date with the current validation.
>
Does it have those little shiny whoreographics on it? You might need the X-ray
specs to see them.
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 9:25 pm |
| posted for all of us...
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:32:24 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dildo fix dat.
>
Yeah, he put a magnetic latch on the aluminum door.
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| Tekkie® 2006-10-30, 9:25 pm |
| Bubba posted for all of us...
>
> Try fixing the leak in the line.
> Bubba
>
Try taking a leak on the line? WAAAA?
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| Al Moran 2006-10-31, 3:25 am |
| On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:30:41 -0500, Tekkie® <Tekkie@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Oscar_Lives posted for all of us...
>
>Does it have those little shiny whoreographics on it? You might need the X-ray
>specs to see them.
not if it's a hollygram.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-10-31, 3:25 am |
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<Al Moran> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:30:41 -0500, Tekkie® <Tekkie@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> not if it's a hollygram.
Hell, I didn't even get a Tellygram!
The X-ray specs didn't work too well either. I wore them to the last Minion
Convention and told Paul: " I always knew your were crazy, but now I can
see your nuts!"
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