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cheapest natural gas boiler 60,000 BTU or more
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| William.Deans@gmail.com 2006-02-24, 7:21 pm |
| Greetings,
I am replacing an existing boiler in a 700 sq ft house. What is the
CHEAPEST natural gas boiler I can buy of at least 60,000 BTU online or
otherwise. This seems like a question I should be able to answer with
google.com but I had back luck so I am asking the experts. You guys.
Thank you for your time,
William
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<William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140821188.073986.100480@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Greetings,
>
> I am replacing an existing boiler in a 700 sq ft house. What is the
> CHEAPEST natural gas boiler I can buy of at least 60,000 BTU online or
> otherwise. This seems like a question I should be able to answer with
> google.com but I had back luck so I am asking the experts. You guys.
>
> Thank you for your time,
> William
>
I know where you can get a 2 million btu boiler for about $20k. Just
removed it from a building in Phoenix. Very serviceable.
Fits your requirement of at least 60K. Cheap by any standard.
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| On 24 Feb 2006 14:46:28 -0800, "William.Deans@gmail.com"
<William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>I am replacing an existing boiler in a 700 sq ft house. What is the
>CHEAPEST natural gas boiler I can buy of at least 60,000 BTU online or
>otherwise. This seems like a question I should be able to answer with
>google.com but I had back luck so I am asking the experts. You guys.
>
>Thank you for your time,
>William
Just ask someone after work at the supply house if he will get you one
cheap and slip him $100.
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| Phil Scott 2006-02-24, 8:21 pm |
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<William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140821188.073986.100480@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Greetings,
>
> I am replacing an existing boiler in a 700 sq ft house.
> What is the
> CHEAPEST natural gas boiler I can buy of at least 60,000 BTU
> online or
> otherwise. This seems like a question I should be able to
> answer with
> google.com but I had back luck so I am asking the experts.
> You guys.
>
> Thank you for your time,
> William
A lot of people use water heaters for that purpose. those
are cheap. you will have to check the btu/hr heat input
rating and select accordingly, for 60,000 btu/hr you probably
need a 30 gal high recovery rate water heater... cost probably
under 400 dollars.. could be a little more.
Then just hook it up to your hot water circulating pump...dont
forget to fit an expansion tank.. the bladder diaphram type
will be best for your application, a small one, about 5 gal
total capacity... no valves between the expansion tank and the
hot water outlet of the heater. you can locate the bladder
type anwhere you want...be sure to read the directions.
That should last you about 10 years, maybe 20 years in house
heating service conditions.... its a closed loop, so there
will not be any scale build up issues.
You might consider a 40,000 btu model for a house that small,
then suppliment with a 50 dollar electric heater in your
bedroom for cold nights on occasion. that would be about
200 dollars cheaper.
Is it legal? check your local city building inspectors dept.
they may require you to fit an approved **low water safety
shut off*** , but maybe not... the smaller you go the less is
required for ignition and low water protection...an advantage
if you go to the 20 gallon heater. Be sure to fit the
standard hot water heater pressure relief valve regardless
...thats critical.
The city may want a back flow preventer on the cold water make
up line. you may or may want to ask, since its somewhat of a
self sterilizing loop if you set the thermostat over 200F...
and you will not be treating it with chemicals that is not
entirely critical issue (as it is with larger boilers that
chemically treated water in loop that you want to keep out of
the city mains in event of loss of city water pressure etc).
There are bacteria that live in hot water though and you
wouldnt want that back flushing into your city water line, so
minimally I would install a swing check valve... and discuss
it with the city.
If someone sets the thermostat below 120F you can get
dangerous bacteria growing in the heater and water
distribution lines...and that could happen later, after you
are gone etc.
Buy it for the correct fuel, natural gas or propane. they
have different jet sizes.
Phil Scott
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| buffalobill 2006-02-24, 9:22 pm |
| i don't know. don't forget freight on that weight, and trucking to your
dock or door plus hiring a mover to place it from curb to basement.
the last 120000 dunkirk boiler new in 1990 cost under $3000 including
all parts and labor installed into a working system with 4 zone valves
by a hvac contractor.
boiler prices are generally just quoted to hvac contractors because the
distributors don't want the liability of selling to a beginner who may
screw up its installation and expect a warranty to cover their existing
untested system problems.
qualified hvac installers don't like being put into the position of
using customer furnished parts due to safety concerns. most refuse this
work.
the poor guy who OOPS turns off the resupply fresh water valve during
heating season to "repair" the pressure relief valve is dripping on the
floor unknowingly awaits impending damage to his boiler.
"Q: Can I buy a boiler direct from the factory?
A: No -as a manufacturer of equipment we sell our product only thru
wholesale distribution who in turn will supply the dealer trade in your
area with our products along with all the other items your dealer will
need for your system. We support the professional tradesmen to know
that your new piece of heating equipment is installed and operating
correctly for maximum efficiency and safety concerns. With today's
installation codes, in many area's a piece of equipment can only be
installed by a licensed plumber or heating technician, which is good
for the industry and safety of all concerned."
http://www.dunkirk.com/faq.asp
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| William.Deans@gmail.com 2006-02-24, 10:23 pm |
| SQLit wrote:
> <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1140821188.073986.100480@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> I know where you can get a 2 million btu boiler for about $20k. Just
> removed it from a building in Phoenix. Very serviceable.
>
> Fits your requirement of at least 60K. Cheap by any standard.
Greetings,
Thank you very much for the offer but I was looking for cheap in terms
of absolute dollars, not best value. I have a couple used 300K-600K
forced air units sitting around myself. If I ever do need a large
boiler in the future (and it is possible) I will keep you in mind.
William
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| William.Deans@gmail.com 2006-02-24, 10:23 pm |
|
Bubba wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2006 14:46:28 -0800, "William.Deans@gmail.com"
> <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just ask someone after work at the supply house if he will get you one
> cheap and slip him $100.
Greetings,
That easy eh? How about I pay you $200.00 and you can keep $100.00 for
yourself?
Let me know,
William
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| William.Deans@gmail.com 2006-02-24, 10:24 pm |
|
Phil Scott wrote:[color=darkred]
> <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1140821188.073986.100480@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> A lot of people use water heaters for that purpose. those
> are cheap. you will have to check the btu/hr heat input
> rating and select accordingly, for 60,000 btu/hr you probably
> need a 30 gal high recovery rate water heater... cost probably
> under 400 dollars.. could be a little more.
>
> Then just hook it up to your hot water circulating pump...dont
> forget to fit an expansion tank.. the bladder diaphram type
> will be best for your application, a small one, about 5 gal
> total capacity... no valves between the expansion tank and the
> hot water outlet of the heater. you can locate the bladder
> type anwhere you want...be sure to read the directions.
>
>
> That should last you about 10 years, maybe 20 years in house
> heating service conditions.... its a closed loop, so there
> will not be any scale build up issues.
>
>
>
> You might consider a 40,000 btu model for a house that small,
> then suppliment with a 50 dollar electric heater in your
> bedroom for cold nights on occasion. that would be about
> 200 dollars cheaper.
>
>
> Is it legal? check your local city building inspectors dept.
> they may require you to fit an approved **low water safety
> shut off*** , but maybe not... the smaller you go the less is
> required for ignition and low water protection...an advantage
> if you go to the 20 gallon heater. Be sure to fit the
> standard hot water heater pressure relief valve regardless
> ..thats critical.
>
>
> The city may want a back flow preventer on the cold water make
> up line. you may or may want to ask, since its somewhat of a
> self sterilizing loop if you set the thermostat over 200F...
> and you will not be treating it with chemicals that is not
> entirely critical issue (as it is with larger boilers that
> chemically treated water in loop that you want to keep out of
> the city mains in event of loss of city water pressure etc).
> There are bacteria that live in hot water though and you
> wouldnt want that back flushing into your city water line, so
> minimally I would install a swing check valve... and discuss
> it with the city.
>
> If someone sets the thermostat below 120F you can get
> dangerous bacteria growing in the heater and water
> distribution lines...and that could happen later, after you
> are gone etc.
>
>
>
> Buy it for the correct fuel, natural gas or propane. they
> have different jet sizes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Phil Scott
>
Greetings,
The boiler rating is 60K for such a small house because the house is a
row home built in the 1800's and is not (well) insulated. The houses
on either side have been torn down so there is a lot of surface area to
volume.
I wish I could use a water heater to heat the home but I am almost
certain the town will not allow it because I have never seen such a
setup. However, it doesn't hurt to ask and I will on monday if I don't
have a new boiler in by then.
Thanks for your very informative reply,
William
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| William.Deans@gmail.com 2006-02-24, 11:21 pm |
|
buffalobill wrote:
> i don't know. don't forget freight on that weight, and trucking to your
> dock or door plus hiring a mover to place it from curb to basement.
> the last 120000 dunkirk boiler new in 1990 cost under $3000 including
> all parts and labor installed into a working system with 4 zone valves
> by a hvac contractor.
> boiler prices are generally just quoted to hvac contractors because the
> distributors don't want the liability of selling to a beginner who may
> screw up its installation and expect a warranty to cover their existing
> untested system problems.
> qualified hvac installers don't like being put into the position of
> using customer furnished parts due to safety concerns. most refuse this
> work.
> the poor guy who OOPS turns off the resupply fresh water valve during
> heating season to "repair" the pressure relief valve is dripping on the
> floor unknowingly awaits impending damage to his boiler.
>
> "Q: Can I buy a boiler direct from the factory?
> A: No -as a manufacturer of equipment we sell our product only thru
> wholesale distribution who in turn will supply the dealer trade in your
> area with our products along with all the other items your dealer will
> need for your system. We support the professional tradesmen to know
> that your new piece of heating equipment is installed and operating
> correctly for maximum efficiency and safety concerns. With today's
> installation codes, in many area's a piece of equipment can only be
> installed by a licensed plumber or heating technician, which is good
> for the industry and safety of all concerned."
> http://www.dunkirk.com/faq.asp
Thank you. I guess Dunkirk probably won't be receiving my business. I
am sure someone wants my money.
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2006-02-25, 12:21 am |
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<William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Thank you. I guess Dunkirk probably won't be receiving my business. I
> am sure someone wants my money.
Looks like these guys will take it
http://www.alpinehomeair.com/viewca...Gas_or_Propane_(LP)_Fuel,_Water_Boilers
About $1500 for the cheapest 62k Btu.
I have no idea how the price compares with a local supplier.
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| Al Bundy 2006-02-25, 1:21 am |
| Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>> wrote in
news:vp5vv113b2102rd6ki4sa6mmmkpm1okqpk@4ax.com:
> On 24 Feb 2006 14:46:28 -0800, "William.Deans@gmail.com"
> <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just ask someone after work at the supply house if he will get you one
> cheap and slip him $100.
Have to take delivery after sunset huh?
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| Al Bundy 2006-02-25, 1:21 am |
| "William.Deans@gmail.com" <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1140833647.168076.94940@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> Phil Scott wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> The boiler rating is 60K for such a small house because the house is a
> row home built in the 1800's and is not (well) insulated. The houses
> on either side have been torn down so there is a lot of surface area to
> volume.
>
> I wish I could use a water heater to heat the home but I am almost
> certain the town will not allow it because I have never seen such a
> setup. However, it doesn't hurt to ask and I will on monday if I don't
> have a new boiler in by then.
>
> Thanks for your very informative reply,
> William
>
>
> The houses
> on either side have been torn down so there is a lot of surface area to
> volume.
Park a couple of doublewides on each side and rent em out. Income +
insulation.
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| Phil Scott 2006-02-25, 2:21 am |
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"Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> "William.Deans@gmail.com" <William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1140833647.168076.94940@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
Im sure thats about right...however the max design condition
is only approached 2% of its run time... that means that 98%
of the time a correctly sized boiler is over sized... and 2%
of the time its right sized, and maybe 1% of the time its a
little undersized.
by going to 40,000 btu it will be undersized maybe 4% of the
time... thats livable if you have an electric heater in the
bedroom for those days. If low cost is a concern thats an
issue..also with the city code requirements for low water
protection etc.
when talking to the city on this issue be sure you dont become
aflicted with an idiot... be prepaired to question any replys
and ask for a reference to the Uniform Mechanical Code if they
decline the use of a hot water heater for your purpose.
Phil Scott
[color=darkred]
> The houses
>
>
> Park a couple of doublewides on each side and rent em out.
> Income +
> insulation.
>
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| Phil Scott 2006-02-25, 2:21 am |
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"Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> Park a couple of doublewides on each side and rent em out.
> Income +
> insulation.
good idea bundy... if the double wides aren't tall enough
something could be done with a hay storage and hog operation.
>
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| Al Bundy 2006-02-25, 2:21 am |
| "Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net> wrote in news:dtopr8$hke$1
@news.tdl.com:
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> "Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>
>
>
> good idea bundy... if the double wides aren't tall enough
> something could be done with a hay storage and hog operation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Old bathtubs and sinks along walk painted with aluminum trailer roof
paint in place of low voltage lighting.
<I can say this shit because I once lived in a double wide south of the
Mason-Dixon.>
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| Red Neckerson 2006-02-25, 9:21 am |
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<William.Deans@gmail.com> wrote
>
> buffalobill wrote:
>
> Thank you. I guess Dunkirk probably won't be receiving my business. I
> am sure someone wants my money.
Damn! And you have so much money to spread around, too!
You cheap fuck......
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| Red Neckerson 2006-02-25, 9:21 am |
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"Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote
>
> Old bathtubs and sinks along walk painted with aluminum trailer roof
> paint in place of low voltage lighting.
>
>
> <I can say this shit because I once lived in a double wide south of the
> Mason-Dixon.>
Sounds like a mansion to me!!!!
(and I live WELL below that Manson/Nixon line.....)
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| Phil Scott 2006-02-25, 2:21 pm |
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"Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> "Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net> wrote in
> news:dtopr8$hke$1
> @news.tdl.com:
>
>
> Old bathtubs and sinks along walk painted with aluminum
> trailer roof
> paint in place of low voltage lighting.
thats smart. you get the reflectivity from the aluminum..
you could save a lot on lighting that way. it also provides
a place for the dogs to stay in bad weather.
>
>
> <I can say this shit because I once lived in a double wide
> south of the
> Mason-Dixon.>
With good jobs going offshore the income tax base is heading
south... the states are trying to make it up with property
tax. the plan I think was to get everyone into 'their own
home'... with the kiddies etc... then run property taxes out
the roof.
In New Hampshire they have the 'view factor' that they use as
a multiplier depending on your view. One guy was paying 500
dollars a year on his house, that went to 3500 dollars with a
'view factor' of 7.
Phil Scott
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2006-02-25, 2:21 pm |
|
"Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net> wrote in message
> In New Hampshire they have the 'view factor' that they use as a multiplier
> depending on your view. One guy was paying 500 dollars a year on his
> house, that went to 3500 dollars with a 'view factor' of 7.
That is getting to be a popular way of gouging the taxpayers. They have
been doing that in CT now also. One wealthy individual just sold the
waterfront home that has been in the family for 150 years because of the tax
increases. I'm not sure of all the classifications, but there is beach
view, water view, beachfront, lakefront, etc.
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| Al Bundy 2006-02-25, 11:21 pm |
| "Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net> wrote in news:dtq5d0$r3n$1
@news.tdl.com:
>
> "Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:Xns9775B7C92D20AlBundy@216.196.97.142...
>
> thats smart. you get the reflectivity from the aluminum..
> you could save a lot on lighting that way. it also provides
> a place for the dogs to stay in bad weather.
>
>
>
>
> With good jobs going offshore the income tax base is heading
> south... the states are trying to make it up with property
> tax. the plan I think was to get everyone into 'their own
> home'... with the kiddies etc... then run property taxes out
> the roof.
>
> In New Hampshire they have the 'view factor' that they use as
> a multiplier depending on your view. One guy was paying 500
> dollars a year on his house, that went to 3500 dollars with a
> 'view factor' of 7.
>
> Phil Scott
>
>
>
>
> With good jobs going offshore...
Got bit by that one big time a few years back!
> the income tax base is heading south...
So that's what I did!
[color=darkred]
Lived in VT before bailing south. They came up with Act 60. Towns with
more bucks would be taxed extra and the $ would go to schools in other
towns. Actually called them "gold towns". If you are/were in NH, you (and
every other skier in the US) know Stowe. They got nailed big time by Act
60. There were many towns that got the shaft.
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| Al Bundy 2006-02-25, 11:21 pm |
| "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
news:eY0Mf.1466$Iv4.1267@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com:
>
> "Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net> wrote in message
>
> That is getting to be a popular way of gouging the taxpayers. They
> have been doing that in CT now also. One wealthy individual just
> sold the waterfront home that has been in the family for 150 years
> because of the tax increases. I'm not sure of all the
> classifications, but there is beach view, water view, beachfront,
> lakefront, etc.
>
>
Grew up in CT. Not the CT of today though. The waterfront I played around
consisted of oil tanker docks and barges at junk yards. They tore down
the many many 1m gal tanks, filled the containment holes with kitty
litter or something and built "waterfront" condos. It was worth more than
the fuel oil businesses. The "water" at the waterfront glows various
colors at night and a blue slick on top of black water by daytime. But
it's waterfront.
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| Rescue 2006-02-26, 9:21 am |
|
Al Bundy wrote:
> <I can say this shit because I once lived in a double wide south of the
> Mason-Dixon.>
we already knew this Bundy
In fact, I've got you portfolio right here
we've been watching you
This is the CIA...
you can quit with the foil hat already
we know all about you Bundy
keep it Bundy
we're watching you
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| Rescue 2006-02-26, 9:21 am |
|
Al Bundy wrote:
> <I can say this shit because I once lived in a double wide south of the
> Mason-Dixon.>
we already knew this Bundy
In fact, I've got you portfolio right here
we've been watching you
This is the CIA...
you can quit with the foil hat already
we know all about you Bundy
keep it clean Bundy
we're watching you
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| Al Bundy 2006-02-27, 2:21 am |
| "Rescue" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in
news:1140957439.195292.119140@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
> Al Bundy wrote:
>
>
> we already knew this Bundy
> In fact, I've got you portfolio right here
> we've been watching you
>
> This is the CIA...
>
> you can quit with the foil hat already
> we know all about you Bundy
>
> keep it Bundy
> we're watching you
>
Damn! Well if I'm gonna have a profile please update my photo. Here I am
on a business conference call outside my doublewide.
http://www.konicaminoltaonline.com/...tosite=true&cid
=ph1595425200465&pagenum=1
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