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Now that I have it narrowed to a Sears Kenmore - bag or bagless?
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| cleanfan00112@nospam.com 2007-06-09, 5:25 pm |
| I'm getting the Sears Kenmore mainly to pick up cat hair and dust mites burrowed deep into an old carpet.
Some recommend the bagless Kenmore, but it seems to be a dirty task, with constantly emptying the cannister.
Am I correct?
They're listed here (looks like there's a new bag model 35922 & bagless model #35933. CR recommended the 35922 and 35923)
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/subc...UseBVCookie=Yes
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<cleanfan00112@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I'm getting the Sears Kenmore mainly to pick up cat hair and dust mites
> burrowed deep into an old carpet.
>
> Some recommend the bagless Kenmore, but it seems to be a dirty task, with
> constantly emptying the cannister.
>
> Am I correct?
I have tried three or four bagless vacuume cleaners over the years (although
not the particular model you have selected), and my opinion is that they
simply don't work well enough. Maybe a Dyson is advanced enough to justify
going bagless, but the lower end models (eg. everything else) simply aren't
there yet. To get them to work effectively, you have to empty the interior
chamber (including washing the foam filter, if the model has one) before you
vacuume each time. That's a much greater inconvenience than a cord or a
bag.
Maybe bagless vacuumes will be good enough eventually, to replace bagged
cleaners, but they aren't that good yet, imho.
HTH,
Donna
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2007-06-09, 5:25 pm |
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<cleanfan00112@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I'm getting the Sears Kenmore mainly to pick up cat hair and dust mites
> burrowed deep into an old carpet.
>
> Some recommend the bagless Kenmore, but it seems to be a dirty task, with
> constantly emptying the cannister.
>
> Am I correct?
>
>
> They're listed here (looks like there's a new bag model 35922 & bagless
> model #35933. CR recommended the 35922 and 35923)
>
> http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/subc...UseBVCookie=Yes
I like the idea of just taking out a bag and tossing it into the trash.
Seems much neater than any bagless. Cost of bags is only a few dollars a
year.
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| Charlie 2007-06-09, 8:25 pm |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> <cleanfan00112@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I like the idea of just taking out a bag and tossing it into the trash.
> Seems much neater than any bagless. Cost of bags is only a few dollars a
> year.
I recently bought a Hoover bagless and returned because of the mess and
exchanged
it for a bag type. My son has a Dyson bagless and it is not any better.
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| Rick Brandt 2007-06-09, 8:25 pm |
| Charlie wrote:
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> I recently bought a Hoover bagless and returned because of the mess
> and exchanged
> it for a bag type. My son has a Dyson bagless and it is not any
> better.
I don't mind the idea of using a bag, but does anyone have an implementation of
that idea that isn't a royal PITA when changing them? Most bag vacs I've used
have been very awkward in that area.
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"Rick Brandt" <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't mind the idea of using a bag, but does anyone have an
> implementation of that idea that isn't a royal PITA when changing them?
> Most bag vacs I've used have been very awkward in that area.
What is the PITA about changing vacuum bags? I mean, you open the machine,
swap out the dirty bag for a clean one, toss the dirty one and go. The
biggest problem I have, is remembering which damn size to buy at the grocery
store. I can never remember if I need H or Z or whatever. But other than
that, I don't consider that changing the bag even begins to approach the
frequency, complication and dirtiness of emptying the bagless kind. But
perhaps you have a more complicated bagged model? Most of the ones I've
used have been upright. They're simple to change bags on.
Donna
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<cleanfan00112@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I'm getting the Sears Kenmore mainly to pick up cat hair and dust mites
> burrowed deep into an old carpet.
>
> Some recommend the bagless Kenmore, but it seems to be a dirty task, with
> constantly emptying the cannister.
>
> Am I correct?
And a major problem with the bagless type is that they don't handle pet hair
well. The hair will work it's way into the filter and clog it up. Having
sold them for Sears (before retiring), we usually did not recommend bagless
if a customer owned pets.
Tom G.>
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| Rick Brandt 2007-06-10, 9:25 am |
| Donna wrote:
> "Rick Brandt" <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What is the PITA about changing vacuum bags? I mean, you open the
> machine, swap out the dirty bag for a clean one, toss the dirty one
> and go. The biggest problem I have, is remembering which damn size
> to buy at the grocery store. I can never remember if I need H or Z
> or whatever. But other than that, I don't consider that changing the
> bag even begins to approach the frequency, complication and dirtiness
> of emptying the bagless kind. But perhaps you have a more
> complicated bagged model? Most of the ones I've used have been
> upright. They're simple to change bags on.
> Donna
We currently have a Hoover model that uses "Z" bags a believe. You unfold the
bag and press the cardboard hole in the bag over a horiziontal pipe facing
straight out and the hole is near (but not at) the top of the bag.
You basically find the tube by feeling for it and there is no positive feedback
that you have the bag inserted far enough over the tube. While getting the rest
of the bag positioned for closing the compartment it is easy to dislodge the
bag. Also when removing a full bag the horizontal not-quite-at-the-top design
causes some spillage.
PITA might be somewhat overstating it, but it certainly doesn't strike me as a
particularly well thought-out design.
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| cleanfan00112@nospam.com 2007-06-10, 5:25 pm |
| "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
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> I like the idea of just taking out a bag and tossing it into the
> trash. Seems much neater than any bagless. Cost of bags is only a few
> dollars a year.
Complete agree. Your comment helped me decide.
As far as buying bags go, between Ebay and the rest of the net (Amazon,
etc), you don't have to walk out your door to order the right one.
> From: "Tom G" <tomasg2@nospamverizon.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
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> And a major problem with the bagless type is that they don't handle pet
hair
> well. The hair will work it's way into the filter and clog it up.
Having
> sold them for Sears (before retiring), we usually did not recommend
bagless
> if a customer owned pets.
And that's mainly what I'm buying it for.
I have one of those portable Euroshark models, and the cannister/filter
gets clogged very quickly with pethair.
Will the same thing happen with the Hepa filters on the recommended
vacuums? Will they be clogged with pethair and have to be cleaned often?
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"Rick Brandt" <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Donna wrote:
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> We currently have a Hoover model that uses "Z" bags a believe. You unfold
> the bag and press the cardboard hole in the bag over a horiziontal pipe
> facing straight out and the hole is near (but not at) the top of the bag.
>
> You basically find the tube by feeling for it and there is no positive
> feedback that you have the bag inserted far enough over the tube. While
> getting the rest of the bag positioned for closing the compartment it is
> easy to dislodge the bag. Also when removing a full bag the horizontal
> not-quite-at-the-top design causes some spillage.
How funny -- I think we have the same vacuum cleaner.
> PITA might be somewhat overstating it, but it certainly doesn't strike me
> as a particularly well thought-out design.
Just wait until you start using the bagless vacumm. the bag changing
process will begin to feel like a MOMA design award winner, compared to what
you have to do to get the bagless ones to work well. We have both, and I
refuse to use the bagless one, because it's a filthy, time-consuming job to
clean the filter and foam liner well enough so that it picks up dirt
adequately. I just hate it. YMMV, however.
Donna
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| On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:39:24 -0500, "Rick Brandt"
<rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Donna wrote:
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>We currently have a Hoover model that uses "Z" bags a believe. You unfold the
>bag and press the cardboard hole in the bag over a horiziontal pipe facing
>straight out and the hole is near (but not at) the top of the bag.
>
>You basically find the tube by feeling for it and there is no positive feedback
>that you have the bag inserted far enough over the tube. While getting the rest
>of the bag positioned for closing the compartment it is easy to dislodge the
>bag.
Are you missing the spring that goes around that tube?
> Also when removing a full bag the horizontal not-quite-at-the-top design
>causes some spillage.
Then do it outside. Turn the vacuum over and all the dust falls on
the ground. Where it goes after that, I don't know. 
>
>PITA might be somewhat overstating it, but it certainly doesn't strike me as a
>particularly well thought-out design.
Got a better one? Maybe you can sell it to them.
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| On Jun 9, 1:35 pm, "Donna" <youdontkno...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> <cleanfan00...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I have tried three or four bagless vacuume cleaners over the years (although
> not the particular model you have selected), and my opinion is that they
> simply don't work well enough. Maybe a Dyson is advanced enough to justify
> going bagless, but the lower end models (eg. everything else) simply aren't
> there yet. To get them to work effectively, you have to empty the interior
> chamber (including washing the foam filter, if the model has one) before you
> vacuume each time. That's a much greater inconvenience than a cord or a
> bag.
>
> Maybe bagless vacuumes will be good enough eventually, to replace bagged
> cleaners, but they aren't that good yet, imho.
>
> HTH,
>
> Donna
The Dysan is way better to anything they sell at sears. I have a top
of the line kenmore, I just bought for the upstairs, and a Dysan.
Emptying the chamber could not be any easier and is zero mess. This is
one thing that Dysan has figured out. You simply hold it over the
garbage can and pull the trigger and all the contents fall into the
garbage can. No mess at all. No bags, ever. Unless you are buying some
cheap aftermarket paper bags, the Sears bags are 5 dollars apiece and
with 2 dogs and a cat I would be lucky to have 1 bag last a week.
Besides the Dysan does a much better job than the Sears on picking up
hair.
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| val189 2007-06-14, 8:25 pm |
| On Jun 9, 5:02 pm, cleanfan00...@nospam.com wrote:
> I'm getting the Sears Kenmore mainly to pick up cat hair and dust mites burrowed deep into an old carpet.
>
> Some recommend the bagless Kenmore, but it seems to be a dirty task, with constantly emptying the cannister.
>
> Am I correct?
>
> They're listed here (looks like there's a new bag model 35922 & bagless model #35933. CR recommended the 35922 and 35923)
>
> http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/subc...t=Vacuum+Cle...
I vote for bagless. One less item to hunt for, run out of etc. And
what if they stop making the bags you need?
I have no problem with gently emptying the dirt cup. I'd rather see
what I need to empty than be guessing how full the bag might be.
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