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I just ran a bat out of my house

Terry

2008-02-15, 3:25 am

Still can't figure out how he got in.

I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.

I then threw it outside.

It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.

boikat@bellsouth.net

2008-02-15, 3:25 am

On Feb 14, 10:48_pm, Terry <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.

So, that's where my electronic spy-bat went!

Boikat

John Wilkins

2008-02-15, 3:25 am

Terry <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote:

> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.

Vibrated? You sure it wasn't just an overcharged novelty vibrator?
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."

Bodega

2008-02-15, 3:25 am

On Feb 14, 8:48 pm, Terry <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.

If I recall right from "Abbot and Costello Meet Dracula," you just
had a very close call.

J. J. Lodder

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

Terry <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote:

> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.

That's is silly way to do it.
Just open some windows, and it will just fly back out.
Bats are much better at it than birds,
who will continue to hit the one window that isn't open.

Echo location really helps,

Jan

tgdenning@earthlink.net

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

On Feb 15, 4:57 am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> Terry <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
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> That's is silly way to do it.
> Just open some windows, and it will just fly back out.
> Bats are much better at it than birds,
> who will continue to hit the one window that isn't open.
>
> Echo location really helps,
>
> Jan

Only works if they *want* to leave. I once lived in a house with attic
bat-cave. At one point, we found a long-undusted vase in the living
room to be a baby-bat nursery. The little things are actually cute.

But bats are apparently able to squeeze through small openings, which
may explain all the times people say "I can't figure out how it got
in."

-tg

Edwin Pawlowski

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

"Terry" <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.
>

Try to find out where it got in or it may come back again. I had that
happen a few years ago. In my case, it was the window with an air
conditioner that was not properly sealed at the top. They only need a very
tiny hole to get through.

nmp

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

Terry wrote:

> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.

Animal cruelty, I say.

Walter Bushell

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

In article <1iccxzp.36jawvhy86ieN%j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au>,
j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote:

> Vibrated? You sure it wasn't just an overcharged novelty vibrator?

The Hello Kitty kind? I saw an ad. for those once; later I read they
were not meant to be sold outside Japan.

Geoff

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

nmp wrote:
> Terry wrote:
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> Animal cruelty, I say.

Um...what?

boikat@bellsouth.net

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

On Feb 15, 6:51_am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
> nmp wrote:
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> Um...what?

Truely, "Say what?" It would have been more cruel to know that bat
was in the house and not do anything about it, since there would
likely not be enough food around for the bat to eat, and it would have
starved after a day or so.

Boikat

Robert Carnegie

2008-02-15, 9:26 am

On 15 Feb, 04:48, Terry <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.

Going by an episode of _House, M.D._, you may have to think about
rabies an' stuff like that. (I hope you get to read this reasonably
promptly.)

In the United Kingdom, bats are legally protected and generally you
can't remove them from property, but they are unlikely to set up home
in human living space - and if a building is properly maintained, they
usually won't get in.

Terry

2008-02-15, 1:26 pm

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:47:04 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>"Terry" <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:u86ar39daetmsivdsdhntrj9rl78au5nc7@4ax.com...
>
>Try to find out where it got in or it may come back again. I had that
>happen a few years ago. In my case, it was the window with an air
>conditioner that was not properly sealed at the top. They only need a very
>tiny hole to get through.

That may be where the bat came in at. I lost site of it when I was
getting the blanket. It had landed on the window in my bedroom that
has the window AC unit.

After reading your message I checked and the insulation that goes
between the window may have been pushed up a small amount.

Thanks

BTW if it gets in again it has to die. I would rather not kill living
things. The ones that stay outside are safe, but the ones inside have
to go.

nmp

2008-02-15, 5:26 pm

boikat wrote:

> On Feb 15, 6:51Â_am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> Truely, "Say what?" It would have been more cruel to know that bat was
> in the house and not do anything about it, since there would likely not
> be enough food around for the bat to eat, and it would have starved
> after a day or so.

"I then threw it outside" seemed quite harsh. If you want to rescue a bat
from starvation you don't throw it outside, you release it.

boikat@bellsouth.net

2008-02-15, 5:26 pm

On Feb 15, 1:57_pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
> boikat wrote:
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> "I then threw it outside" seemed quite harsh. If you want to rescue a bat
> from starvation you don't throw it outside, you release it.- Hide quoted text -
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I'm sure that's what he meant. I doubt he meant he threw it out like
he was throwing a fast ball.

Boikat

nmp

2008-02-15, 5:26 pm

boikat wrote:

> On Feb 15, 1:57Â_pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> I'm sure that's what he meant. I doubt he meant he threw it out like he
> was throwing a fast ball.

I see no reason to be so sure / doubtful as you describe.

Now he says the bat must die if it dares inconvenience him again. Like if
he is talking about a mosquito or something (killing mosquitos I can
understand).

Killing bats is like killing puppies or kittens, people. You shouldn't do
it if you want children to love and respect you ;)

I am biased of course. I have been bitten several times by bats that I
caught when I was a volunteer in a research project, many years ago. Only
made me admire them more. They are such fragile little things, but with a
lot of character.

boikat@bellsouth.net

2008-02-15, 5:26 pm

On Feb 15, 3:13_pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
> boikat wrote:
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> I see no reason to be so sure / doubtful as you describe.
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> Now he says the bat must die if it dares inconvenience him again. Like if
> he is talking about a mosquito or something (killing mosquitos I can
> understand).

Bad Terry! No biscuit!

>
> Killing bats is like killing puppies or kittens, people. You shouldn't do
> it if you want children to love and respect you ;)
>
> I am biased of course. I have been bitten several times by bats that I
> caught when I was a volunteer in a research project, many years ago. Only
> made me admire them more. They are such fragile little things, but with a
> lot of character.- Hide quoted text -
>

Agreed. Bats come under the heading of "So ugly, they're cute". I
did not see his (her) earlier post on Google when I posted earlier. :P

Boikat
> - Show quoted text -

Jeff Wisnia

2008-02-15, 8:26 pm

Robert Carnegie wrote:

> On 15 Feb, 04:48, Terry <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Going by an episode of _House, M.D._, you may have to think about
> rabies an' stuff like that. (I hope you get to read this reasonably
> promptly.)
>
> In the United Kingdom, bats are legally protected and generally you
> can't remove them from property, but they are unlikely to set up home
> in human living space - and if a building is properly maintained, they
> usually won't get in.
>

AFAIK it's the same in the USA.

Or so it would seem by what's said by this aptly named firm:

http://www.flybynightinc.com/

A friend in Florida hired them to "evict" a mess of bats which took up
residence under the tiles on his home's his "Spanish tile" roof. The
company used their "one way doors" to let the bats out and then keep
them out

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

Terry

2008-02-15, 8:26 pm

On 15 Feb 2008 21:13:15 GMT, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:

>boikat wrote:
>
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>I see no reason to be so sure / doubtful as you describe.
>
>Now he says the bat must die if it dares inconvenience him again. Like if
>he is talking about a mosquito or something (killing mosquitos I can
>understand).
>
>Killing bats is like killing puppies or kittens, people. You shouldn't do
>it if you want children to love and respect you ;)
>
>I am biased of course. I have been bitten several times by bats that I
>caught when I was a volunteer in a research project, many years ago. Only
>made me admire them more. They are such fragile little things, but with a
>lot of character.
>

Ok. Next time he comes in I will bring him to your house.

I hope your shots are up to date.

Doug Brown

2008-02-16, 3:26 am

Although I suspect geopgraphy would get in the way, I would love to take
your bat.

I have hoped to attract them for a while now, with little obvious success.
Bat's is neat and cool!
"Terry" <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On 15 Feb 2008 21:13:15 GMT, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
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> Ok. Next time he comes in I will bring him to your house.
>
> I hope your shots are up to date.
>

BETA-33

2008-02-16, 9:26 am

I had the same thing happen. First, one bat, then a few days later another
one showed up.

I started with this link for some info....,

http://unexco.com/bat.html

......and then clicked on the other links at the bottom of that page.

"Terry" <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Still can't figure out how he got in.
>
> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>
> I then threw it outside.
>
> It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.
>

nmp

2008-02-16, 5:25 pm

Terry wrote:

> On 15 Feb 2008 21:13:15 GMT, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:

[..]

>
> Ok. Next time he comes in I will bring him to your house.

Please do phone prior to arrival; I will have coffee and Limburgse vlaai
waiting for you.

> I hope your shots are up to date.

I hardly see a reason for that.

Floyd L. Davidson

2008-02-16, 5:25 pm

nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>Terry wrote:
>
>I hardly see a reason for that.

The US Department for Health and Social Services
operates the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), which
has a very interesting article on bats and rabies:

http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/bats.html

Here are two short quotes:

"Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United
States have been caused by rabies virus from bats."

"... any bat that is active by day, is found in a
place where bats are not usually seen (for example, in
a room in your home or on the lawn), or is unable to
fly, is far more likely than others to be rabid."

Of course it is your pets that should have up to date
rabies shots...

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com

nmp

2008-02-16, 8:25 pm

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

> nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> The US Department for Health and Social Services operates the Centers
> for Disease Control (CDC), which has a very interesting article on bats
> and rabies:
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/bats.html
>
> Here are two short quotes:
>
> "Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United States have been
> caused by rabies virus from bats."
>
> "... any bat that is active by day, is found in a place where bats are
> not usually seen (for example, in a room in your home or on the lawn),
> or is unable to fly, is far more likely than others to be rabid."

OK, far more likely (I would not argue your CDC). But how much more
likely exactly? It does not say.

I do admit, after a bit of reading (wikipedia and such), that perhaps
bats in the Americas (and a few other regions) are indeed "more likely"
to have (and transmit) rabies. Compared to other regions, that is.

> Of course it is your pets that should have up to date rabies shots...

Rabies kills people, too.

The CDC article seems very well balanced. At least it says that not all
bats have rabies and the method they describe to catch bats in your house
is quite humane.

Robert Carnegie

2008-02-16, 8:25 pm

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> The US Department for Health and Social Services
> operates the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), which
> has a very interesting article on bats and rabies:
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/bats.html
>
> Here are two short quotes:
>
> "Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United
> States have been caused by rabies virus from bats."
>
> "... any bat that is active by day, is found in a
> place where bats are not usually seen (for example, in
> a room in your home or on the lawn), or is unable to
> fly, is far more likely than others to be rabid."
>
> Of course it is your pets that should have up to date
> rabies shots...

I remember Snoopy in the cartoons grimacing and clutching at his "arm"
after the shot... Back to _House, M.D._, this is one where ol' Greg's
magic did not work (homeless woman; cardboard shelter full of bats;
this they figured out later). Dr Foreman found the bats and got the
shots, I think. Patient died.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health...es-rabies_x.htm
asserts that (in Wisconsin) you "should seek treatment after any
possible contact with a bat or a bite from any other wild animal.
Symptoms of the disease usually do not appear until about a month
after exposure, and by then it is too late to get the vaccine." /Any/
posible contact with a bat? Ri-ight.

Some people handle bats for fun or as a job, and presumably they, like
garbage workers, get the shots first, appropriate to each situation.

Floyd L. Davidson

2008-02-16, 9:25 pm

nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>
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>OK, far more likely (I would not argue your CDC). But how much more
>likely exactly? It does not say.
>
>I do admit, after a bit of reading (wikipedia and such), that perhaps
>bats in the Americas (and a few other regions) are indeed "more likely"
>to have (and transmit) rabies. Compared to other regions, that is.

You've totally missed the point. There is nothing there
comparing regions. It just says, without equivocation,
that bats are a *very* *common* vector for human rabies.
In the US it happens to be the most common (for a reason,
as explained below).

If you do even more research what you'll find is that
bats are one of the several types of animals in which
rabies is very commonly endemic. That means in any
given population it is always present (and is not
necessarily always fatal for every animal which has it).

>
>Rabies kills people, too.

Pre-exposure human rabies vaccination is not routine. On
the other hand, for people like a veterinarian or a
researcher working with bats, they would in fact get a
pre-exposure vaccination.

Regardless of that, around the world 99% of human rabies
cases are the result of contact with rabid dogs. That
is not true in the US because a dogs commonly receive a
rabies vaccine...

>The CDC article seems very well balanced. At least it says that not all

I cited that particular article for good reason.

>bats have rabies and the method they describe to catch bats in your house
>is quite humane.

They recommend that bats caught in your home be tested
for rabies. The bat does not survive that test...

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com

Terry

2008-02-17, 3:25 am

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:25:03 -0900, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

>
>Regardless of that, around the world 99% of human rabies
>cases are the result of contact with rabid dogs. That
>is not true in the US because a dogs commonly receive a
>rabies vaccine...
>
I am sure that 99% of all shark bites happen in water too. Which is
why sharks are going to have to learn how to walk before I get bit.

I am giving the bat one extra chance.

nmp

2008-02-17, 9:25 am

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

> nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> You've totally missed the point. There is nothing there comparing
> regions.

Not in the article you quoted but here, for example:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies#Rabies_and_bats>

> It just says, without equivocation, that bats are a *very*
> *common* vector for human rabies. In the US it happens to be the most
> common (for a reason, as explained below).
>
> If you do even more research what you'll find is that bats are one of
> the several types of animals in which rabies is very commonly endemic.
> That means in any given population it is always present (and is not
> necessarily always fatal for every animal which has it).

This may all be true but there is still no answer: how many (in a
hundred) animals *will* have the virus, in other words, how much risk
does one little bat really pose to you if you know nothing about it?

It can be a very common infection for bats, and still be quite rare.

>
> Pre-exposure human rabies vaccination is not routine. On the other
> hand, for people like a veterinarian or a researcher working with bats,
> they would in fact get a pre-exposure vaccination.

I don't remember vaccination but it was like 20 years ago, in Belgium. I
wasn't the researcher, but a sort of batcatcher. With a big scoop net ;)

> Regardless of that, around the world 99% of human rabies cases are the
> result of contact with rabid dogs. That is not true in the US because a
> dogs commonly receive a rabies vaccine...
>
>
> I cited that particular article for good reason.
>
>
> They recommend that bats caught in your home be tested for rabies. The
> bat does not survive that test...

They recommend this if you think you may have been bitten. Otherwise, it
says: "If you see a bat in your home and you are sure no human or pet
exposure has occurred, confine the bat to a room by closing all doors and
windows leading out of the room except those to the outside. The bat will
probably leave soon. If not, it can be caught, as described, and released
outdoors away from people and pets."

Floyd L. Davidson

2008-02-17, 9:25 am

nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>
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>Not in the article you quoted but here, for example:
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies#Rabies_and_bats>
>
>
>This may all be true but there is still no answer: how many (in a
>hundred) animals *will* have the virus, in other words, how much risk
>does one little bat really pose to you if you know nothing about it?
>
>It can be a very common infection for bats, and still be quite rare.

Which is made insignificant by the simple fact that,
rare or not, if you catch it... you die. *EVERY TIME*.

>
>I don't remember vaccination but it was like 20 years ago, in Belgium. I
>wasn't the researcher, but a sort of batcatcher. With a big scoop net ;)

Twenty years ago they may not have had a suitable
vaccination.

>
>They recommend this if you think you may have been bitten. Otherwise, it

How sure can you be though? One story I read was of a
young girl that woke up to find a bat in her bedroom,
and while she didn't think she had been bitten, she was
examined throughly anyway. They found no indication
that she had been bitten.

She died of rabies.

(The bat had been killed and tossed outside. They
actually found the carcass, and it tested positive.)

Taking risks with rabies is like playing Russian
Roulette.

>says: "If you see a bat in your home and you are sure no human or pet
>exposure has occurred, confine the bat to a room by closing all doors and
>windows leading out of the room except those to the outside. The bat will
>probably leave soon. If not, it can be caught, as described, and released
>outdoors away from people and pets."

Incidentally, my perspective on this is from living in
an area where we have rabies quarantines almost every
spring. The disease is endemic in Arctic foxes, which
like bats start showing up in places they should not be
and acting in ways that are not normal. I don't know
what the percentages are with bats, but with foxes they
are virtually *all* rabid if they exhibit those
characteristics.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com

gregwrld

2008-02-17, 1:26 pm

nmp

2008-02-17, 5:25 pm

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

> nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> Which is made insignificant by the simple fact that, rare or not, if you
> catch it... you die. *EVERY TIME*.

If a train at full speed hits you head on, you die. Every time. And it
does happen. But I'm still not afraid of trains, like I am not afraid of
bats, either.

>
> Twenty years ago they may not have had a suitable vaccination.

I think they did, but I know we (the research party) never took things
too seriously. But we all survived somehow...

>
> How sure can you be though? One story I read was of a young girl that
> woke up to find a bat in her bedroom, and while she didn't think she had
> been bitten, she was examined throughly anyway. They found no
> indication that she had been bitten.
>
> She died of rabies.

"One story I read" is still just one story you read.

A story I read told of a man who put a rabid bat in his beer before he
drank it, and then died. I read it here:
<http://www.batcon.org/home/index.as...51&idSubPage=46>

(it's a good article, quite like your CDC article)

> (The bat had been killed and tossed outside. They actually found the
> carcass, and it tested positive.)
>
> Taking risks with rabies is like playing Russian Roulette.

Russian roulette is one bullet in six or seven chambers. We are talking
about, what, a thousand chambers here?

Ten thousand? We still don't know.

>
> Incidentally, my perspective on this is from living in an area where we
> have rabies quarantines almost every spring. The disease is endemic in
> Arctic foxes, which like bats start showing up in places they should not
> be and acting in ways that are not normal. I don't know what the
> percentages are with bats, but with foxes they are virtually *all* rabid
> if they exhibit those characteristics.

Let's find out the percentages. Through Google, I could not get at them
either.

Yes, I don't think that in my country rabies is that widespread even
among wild animals. So our "disagreement" (do we have one?) may still be
due to geographical factors.

Geoff

2008-02-17, 8:25 pm

nmp wrote:
> boikat wrote:
>
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> "I then threw it outside" seemed quite harsh. If you want to rescue a
> bat from starvation you don't throw it outside, you release it.

Who said it was starving?

Robert Carnegie

2008-02-18, 9:25 am

On 17 Feb, 23:07, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>
> Russian roulette is one bullet in six or seven chambers.
> We are talking about, what, a thousand chambers here?
>
> Ten thousand? We still don't know.

Technically, I believe the original "Russian roulette" is fictional or
hear-say - I think it's conditions in an army bar near the front in
_War and Peace_ or something - and a single chamber in the revolver
is /not/ loaded. If you hit that one chamber, you lose. You have to
go on living.

The official recommendation seems to be, if the bat that you handled
has flown away then let it worry about itself, but you, get the damn
vaccination. It's a couple of bucks, I assume. And if you don't get
it, then stay the hell away from me, till, let's say June. Will that
be about right?

Floyd L. Davidson

2008-02-18, 9:25 am

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>On 17 Feb, 23:07, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>Technically, I believe the original "Russian roulette" is fictional or
>hear-say - I think it's conditions in an army bar near the front in
>_War and Peace_ or something - and a single chamber in the revolver
>is /not/ loaded. If you hit that one chamber, you lose. You have to
>go on living.
>
>The official recommendation seems to be, if the bat that you handled
>has flown away then let it worry about itself, but you, get the damn
>vaccination. It's a couple of bucks, I assume. And if you don't get
>it, then stay the hell away from me, till, let's say June. Will that
>be about right?

A rabies vaccination series might cost $1500-2000.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com

salty@dog.com

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:14:12 -0900, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

>Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
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>A rabies vaccination series might cost $1500-2000.

A simple cremation of your remains will cost more than that.

Robert Carnegie

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

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On 18 Feb, 14:14, fl...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
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> A rabies vaccination series might cost $1500-2000.

For real? Man. Okay, go bite a cop or something. I bet you get it
for free. There may be drawbacks, however.

(Google) http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH...abies.shots.ap/
from 2000, refers to getting $1500 worth of shots at the 2000 price if
bitten, and a study where 40 per cent of patients getting the shots
didn't need them, presumably having been not bitten by a rabid
animal. Often having been bitten by an animal of undetermined
condition, I suppose.

Floyd L. Davidson

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>On 18 Feb, 14:14, fl...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>
>For real? Man. Okay, go bite a cop or something. I bet you get it
>for free. There may be drawbacks, however.
>
>(Google) http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH...abies.shots.ap/
>from 2000, refers to getting $1500 worth of shots at the 2000 price if
>bitten, and a study where 40 per cent of patients getting the shots
>didn't need them, presumably having been not bitten by a rabid
>animal. Often having been bitten by an animal of undetermined
>condition, I suppose.

The significance of the price tag seems to be flying over
a few heads...

Pre-exposure immunization, due to the cost, is not
practical for the general population. People with a
very high potential for exposure, however, certainly
should get a vaccination. That includes, for example,
veterinarians and others who normally work with animals
that have a high incidence (bat researchers being an
example).

Otherwise, only post-exposure vaccination is likely to
be considered reasonable by most people. My position
all along has been that if there is even the slightest
possibility, vaccination is the only sensible route.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com

salty@dog.com

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:11:16 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On 18 Feb, 14:14, fl...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>
>For real? Man. Okay, go bite a cop or something. I bet you get it
>for free. There may be drawbacks, however.
>
>(Google) http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH...abies.shots.ap/
>from 2000, refers to getting $1500 worth of shots at the 2000 price if
>bitten, and a study where 40 per cent of patients getting the shots
>didn't need them, presumably having been not bitten by a rabid
>animal. Often having been bitten by an animal of undetermined
>condition, I suppose.

You don't have to be bitten to contract rabies.

aemeijers

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
> A rabies vaccination series might cost $1500-2000.
>
Shots of any kind are a profit center for the medical industry these
days. Managed to gash my hand doing some plumbing last year- the ER
charged me over 100 bucks just for the tetanus shot, on top of what the
stitches cost.

aem sends...

Mark Isaak

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:55:44 -0800, Robert Carnegie wrote:

> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>
> I remember Snoopy in the cartoons grimacing and clutching at his "arm"
> after the shot... Back to _House, M.D._, this is one where ol' Greg's
> magic did not work (homeless woman; cardboard shelter full of bats;
> this they figured out later). Dr Foreman found the bats and got the
> shots, I think. Patient died.

Dr. Foreman needed the shots because he got bit by the patient.

In the old days (don't know how old), rabies shots were horribly painful,
so people really wanted to be sure they were needed. That excuse has
diminished substantially.

--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering

Dave Bugg

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

> The significance of the price tag seems to be flying over
> a few heads...
>
> Pre-exposure immunization, due to the cost, is not
> practical for the general population. People with a
> very high potential for exposure, however, certainly
> should get a vaccination. That includes, for example,
> veterinarians and others who normally work with animals
> that have a high incidence (bat researchers being an
> example).
>
> Otherwise, only post-exposure vaccination is likely to
> be considered reasonable by most people. My position
> all along has been that if there is even the slightest
> possibility, vaccination is the only sensible route.

Pre exposure vaccination still requires post-exposure vaccination if
exposure occurs. Those who have had pre-exposure vaccination require fewer
doses post exposure (usually two or three).

--
Dave

Dave Bugg

2008-02-18, 1:25 pm

Dave Bugg

2008-02-18, 5:25 pm

Dave Bugg

2008-02-18, 5:25 pm

Chemical Pete

2008-02-19, 1:25 pm

"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
news:LOiuj.622443$kj1.551308@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> Shots of any kind are a profit center for the medical industry these days.
> Managed to gash my hand doing some plumbing last year- the ER charged me
> over 100 bucks just for the tetanus shot, on top of what the stitches
> cost.

You need some of that socialist medicine that we have over this side of the
pond
>
> aem sends...
>

Robert Carnegie

2008-02-19, 1:25 pm

On 18 Feb, 16:29, sa...@dog.com wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:11:16 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
>
>
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> <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
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> You don't have to be bitten to contract rabies.

Further reading on bats supports this... So I wonder how they
determined whether subjects had or had not needed the shots. I
suppose it can only be on whether or not the animal had rabies in
fact? Which the ER didn't know, and, I am going to say, couldn't
reasonably determine for sure?

Huh. A lot of research is pretty poor...

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