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| Robert11 2008-02-18, 1:25 pm |
| Hello,
Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
all the time ?
How long do these things typically last ?
Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
Thanks,
Bob
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| RicodJour 2008-02-18, 1:25 pm |
| On Feb 18, 10:36 am, "Robert11" <rgs...@notme.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
>
> Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
> that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
> all the time ?
>
> How long do these things typically last ?
> Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
Water only hits the ring during a flush, or if the toilet is leaking.
There's nothing wrong with a wax ring if the rest of the installation
is sound. There are was rings that have a plastic horn (I like
these), and there are waxless gaskets (I've never used one of them).
http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1143
R
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| Harry K 2008-02-18, 1:25 pm |
| On Feb 18, 7:36=A0am, "Robert11" <rgs...@notme.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
>
> Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
> that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
> all the time ?
>
> How long do these things typically last ?
> Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
"Fernco waxless toilet seal" - I used one the last time I pulled the
toilet. I will never fool around with the wax type again. For one
thing, the Fernco one is reuseable (on the same toilet) in that you
can pull the toilet and replace it without having to mess around with
the seal.
Harry K
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| AZ Nomad 2008-02-18, 1:25 pm |
| On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:36:57 -0500, Robert11 <rgsros@notme.com> wrote:
>Hello,
>Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
>Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
>that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
>all the time ?
only when you flush.
The leak might be coming from a crack instead of a bad
seal. Does the toiler sit properly, or can it rock back and forth?
>How long do these things typically last ?
>Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
I've only seen the waxy variety.
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| Robert11 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
>
> Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
> that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
> all the time ?
>
> How long do these things typically last ?
> Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
It will leak when (just after) flushing. They can last a long long time,
but if the floor settles or the toilet is knocked/bumped, it can break the
seal. If the flange is too low in the floor - you can stack two rings.
a
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| Bob M. 2008-02-18, 5:25 pm |
| "Harry K" <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0f571d51-60cd-449f-836b-8fdd2e5df6da@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 18, 7:36 am, "Robert11" <rgs...@notme.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
>
> Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
> that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
> all the time ?
>
> How long do these things typically last ?
> Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>"Fernco waxless toilet seal" - I used one the last time I pulled the
>toilet. I will never fool around with the wax type again. For one
>thing, the Fernco one is reuseable (on the same toilet) in that you
>can pull the toilet and replace it without having to mess around with
>the seal.
>
>Harry K
Amen to that. I had to replace a toilet and reinstall two others recently
and I used the Fernco seals. I will never go back to wax rings!
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2008-02-18, 5:25 pm |
|
"Bob M." <no@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Amen to that. I had to replace a toilet and reinstall two others recently
> and I used the Fernco seals. I will never go back to wax rings!
Why not? What is the advantage? My upstairs toilet has never been removed
in 30 years, my downstairs was replaced about 15 years ago and not touched
since. What would a different seal do for me that the wax is not? How
often do you guys remove your toilets?
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| On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:51:08 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
<ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 18, 10:36 am, "Robert11" <rgs...@notme.com> wrote:
>
>Water only hits the ring during a flush, or if the toilet is leaking.
>There's nothing wrong with a wax ring if the rest of the installation
>is sound. There are was rings that have a plastic horn (I like
>these), and there are waxless gaskets (I've never used one of them).
>http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1143
>
>R
I wish I could use these. The drain makes at turn and I cannot get the
waxless to seat deep enough to set the toilet. No way to modify the
one I tried. The product did state it fit "most toilets" or smilar
words.
I look one day for improved version 
--
Oren
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| On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:46:32 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:
>
>"Bob M." <no@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
>Why not? What is the advantage? My upstairs toilet has never been removed
>in 30 years, my downstairs was replaced about 15 years ago and not touched
>since. What would a different seal do for me that the wax is not? How
>often do you guys remove your toilets?
>
My limited understanding is that the O-ring provides a better seal
from gases, compensates for an uneven flange/floor and seats in the
pipe. (Plus so simple a caveman could do it)
--
Oren
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| Bob M. 2008-02-18, 8:25 pm |
| "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:cVnuj.11636$Ch6.8074@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Bob M." <no@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> Why not? What is the advantage? My upstairs toilet has never been
> removed in 30 years, my downstairs was replaced about 15 years ago and not
> touched since. What would a different seal do for me that the wax is not?
> How often do you guys remove your toilets?
>
Obviously there's no need to replace something that's working fine. But
should you ever need to, don't bother with wax. There's a better way now.
The Fernco seal cost $5, seals better, no messy wax.
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| Harry K 2008-02-18, 9:25 pm |
| On Feb 18, 2:46=A0pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "Bob M." <n...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Why not? =A0What is the advantage? =A0My upstairs toilet has never been re=
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> often do you guys remove your toilets?
Advantage 1: Want new flooring in the bath? Just pick up the toilet
and replace when done.
Advantage 2: No more squirming around trying to get the toilet to
seat solid.
Advantage 3: If you ever do need to pull the toilet, no messign
around scraping old wax off the floor and toilet.
Bottom line: Technology moves on. It makes as much sense to me to go
back to wax type as it would to buy a new Model T for my next commute
car.
Harry K
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"Robert11" <rgsros@notme.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets - > Would you expect that if it
> is beginning to go, or has gone "a little", that you would see water
> leakage only when you flush, or all the time ?
*This one has been pretty well covered.
>
> How long do these things typically last ?
*Until you need to pull the toilet or if the floor has become uneven,
usually due to wetness and warping of the floor sheeting and especially if
the sheeting is MDF. When you pull the toilet be sure to check to see if
there has been long term leaking which may have gone undetected until now.
> Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
*Well covered.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
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| RicodJour 2008-02-19, 9:25 am |
| On Feb 18, 9:36 pm, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2:46 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Advantage 1: Want new flooring in the bath? Just pick up the toilet
> and replace when done.
>
> Advantage 2: No more squirming around trying to get the toilet to
> seat solid.
>
> Advantage 3: If you ever do need to pull the toilet, no messign
> around scraping old wax off the floor and toilet.
>
> Bottom line: Technology moves on. It makes as much sense to me to go
> back to wax type as it would to buy a new Model T for my next commute
> car.
I would have used a Hummer for the commuter car analogy. The Model T
got pretty damned good gas mileage - something like 25 MPG, IIRC. But
I do take your points about the waxless ring. Next opportunity I'll
try one out. Thanks.
R
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| ransley 2008-02-19, 1:25 pm |
| On Feb 18, 9:36=A0am, "Robert11" <rgs...@notme.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
>
> Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
> that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
> all the time ?
>
> How long do these things typically last ?
> Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
It would smell like sewer gas first, If its leaking it also stinks.
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| Blattus Slafaly £ ¥ 0/00 :) 2008-02-19, 5:25 pm |
| Robert11 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Regarding the wax ring seal under toilets -
>
> Would you expect that if it is beginning to go, or has gone "a little",
> that you would see water leakage only when you flush, or
> all the time ?
>
> How long do these things typically last ?
> Are there new types, or is it still the waxy material ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
Why wax? What's that a hold over from the days before rubber was
invented? rubber would make a much better seal.
--
Blattus Slafaly ? 3 7/8
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| George 2008-02-20, 5:25 pm |
| Blattus Slafaly £ ¥ 0/00 wrote:
> Robert11 wrote:
> Why wax? What's that a hold over from the days before rubber was
> invented? rubber would make a much better seal.
>
Considering that wax molds much better than rubber how would rubber
provide a better seal?
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| 58plumbers@gmail.com 2008-02-20, 8:25 pm |
| On Feb 20, 2:48 pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Considering that wax molds much better than rubber how would rubber
> provide a better seal?
What is better to seat a toilet to the floor, a wax ring (old school)
or the new rubber ring?
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=271819
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| HerHusband 2008-02-21, 9:26 am |
| >> Considering that wax molds much better than rubber how would rubber
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> What is better to seat a toilet to the floor, a wax ring (old school)
> or the new rubber ring?
From what I read when I was plumbing our house, the wax ring does a better
job with variations in toilet and flange heights. Rubber alternatives work
great if properly sized to your exact gap, but you could have leaks if the
gap is even slightly larger than the rubber ring is designed for.
Old school has worked well for decades, so I chose wax rings for our
toilets. Although, I did use the rings with the plastic "funnels" attached,
to ensure waste goes down the pipe and not around it.
Anthony
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