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| Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
1) Some obnoxious neighbor must have ratted on me to the code
enforcement, and he seems to be complaining about this. I havent'
reached him by phone to learn details, but I thought it was ok. I'm
certainly not supposed to put the gasoline in my house, right?
2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground. I think he is
referring to either a) a piece of t-111 lying under my deck, which I
have ther so that I don't have to lie in the dirt, sometimes muddy,
when I crawl under the deck to get my spare key, which is buried
there.
Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence") that I put
there so that I could rebuild the motorcycle without oil on the cement
and without scratching the cement with the kickstand.
I've neve seen termite damage to t-111, evne though I do have termite
damage to my untreated fence pickets 15 feet away. Is t-111 (or even
plywood. Maybe he thought it was plywood) on the ground or the cement
some sort of violation in some places?
3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them. I
have three, all of them the cheap blue woven tarps. ONE covers the
motorcycle but doesn't reach to the ground.
Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
second layer. Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
between to stabilize the second.
Tarp THREE covers my first lawn mower that I would like to fix some
day. It's smaller and gets into small places, and is built as a
mulching mower, and the tarp there goes all the way to the cement.
I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
make him happy?
Thanks
layer.
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| Joseph Meehan 2008-03-27, 5:25 pm |
| "mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:fbpnu3t50iap83v1t9m44a2bqvq8gke4mk@4ax.com...
> Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
> standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
>
> 1) Some obnoxious neighbor must have ratted on me to the code
> enforcement, and he seems to be complaining about this. I havent'
> reached him by phone to learn details, but I thought it was ok. I'm
> certainly not supposed to put the gasoline in my house, right?
>
> 2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground. I think he is
> referring to either a) a piece of t-111 lying under my deck, which I
> have ther so that I don't have to lie in the dirt, sometimes muddy,
> when I crawl under the deck to get my spare key, which is buried
> there.
>
> Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
> front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence") that I put
> there so that I could rebuild the motorcycle without oil on the cement
> and without scratching the cement with the kickstand.
>
> I've neve seen termite damage to t-111, evne though I do have termite
> damage to my untreated fence pickets 15 feet away. Is t-111 (or even
> plywood. Maybe he thought it was plywood) on the ground or the cement
> some sort of violation in some places?
>
> 3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them. I
> have three, all of them the cheap blue woven tarps. ONE covers the
> motorcycle but doesn't reach to the ground.
> Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
> protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
> second layer. Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
> between to stabilize the second.
> Tarp THREE covers my first lawn mower that I would like to fix some
> day. It's smaller and gets into small places, and is built as a
> mulching mower, and the tarp there goes all the way to the cement.
>
>
> I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
> about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
> make him happy?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> layer.
Well there is a problem if there it is a code violation. I suggest you
check your local code enforcement agency. You might try the local fire
department for the gasoline issue.
You apparently live in a terminate area. If it were my home, especially
if it was in a termite area, I should would not want any non-treated wood in
ground contact, and I would prefer not to have any treated wood in ground
contact.
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia 's Muire duit
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| Wayne Boatwright 2008-03-27, 5:25 pm |
| On Thu 27 Mar 2008 11:31:53a, mm told us...
> Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
> standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
>
> 1) Some obnoxious neighbor must have ratted on me to the code
> enforcement, and he seems to be complaining about this. I havent'
> reached him by phone to learn details, but I thought it was ok. I'm
> certainly not supposed to put the gasoline in my house, right?
>
> 2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground. I think he is
> referring to either a) a piece of t-111 lying under my deck, which I
> have ther so that I don't have to lie in the dirt, sometimes muddy,
> when I crawl under the deck to get my spare key, which is buried
> there.
>
> Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
> front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence") that I put
> there so that I could rebuild the motorcycle without oil on the cement
> and without scratching the cement with the kickstand.
>
> I've neve seen termite damage to t-111, evne though I do have termite
> damage to my untreated fence pickets 15 feet away. Is t-111 (or even
> plywood. Maybe he thought it was plywood) on the ground or the cement
> some sort of violation in some places?
>
> 3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them. I
> have three, all of them the cheap blue woven tarps. ONE covers the
> motorcycle but doesn't reach to the ground.
> Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
> protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
> second layer. Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
> between to stabilize the second.
> Tarp THREE covers my first lawn mower that I would like to fix some
> day. It's smaller and gets into small places, and is built as a
> mulching mower, and the tarp there goes all the way to the cement.
>
>
> I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
> about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
> make him happy?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> layer.
>
You will *never* make the SOB happy. Too bad murder is illegal.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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| trader4@optonline.net 2008-03-27, 5:25 pm |
| On Mar 27, 2:31=A0pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
> standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
Only the code official can tell you what the specific rules are in
your area. If it's in some protected area, ie out of direct hot
sunlight, that still leaves it available for some kids or trouble
makers to screw around with. Like taking a whiz in it, or using it to
light your house on fire.
I keep mine stored in the garage where it's secure.
>
> 1) Some obnoxious neighbor must have ratted on me to the code
> enforcement, and he seems to be complaining about this. =A0I havent'
> reached him by phone to learn details, but I thought it was ok. =A0I'm
> certainly not supposed to put the gasoline in my house, right?
>
> 2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground. =A0I think he is
> referring to either a) a piece of t-111 lying under my deck, which I
> have ther so that I don't have to lie in the dirt, sometimes muddy,
> when I crawl under the deck to get my spare key, which is buried
> there.
Surely there must be a better place to hide a spare key that would
eliminate the need for this.
>
> Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
> front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence") that I put
> there so that I could rebuild the motorcycle without oil on the cement
> and without scratching the cement with the kickstand.
>
> I've neve seen termite damage to t-111, evne though I do have termite
> damage to my untreated fence pickets 15 feet away. =A0Is t-111 (or even
> plywood. Maybe he thought it was plywood) on the ground or the cement
> some sort of violation in some places?
It's more likely his real issue is that he thinks you're creating some
kind of repair facility or junk yard. How far away is your
neighbor? Is this an attached house type deal?
>
> 3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them. =A0I
> have three, all of them the cheap blue woven tarps. ONE covers the
> motorcycle but doesn't reach to the ground. =A0
> =A0 Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
> protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
> second layer. =A0Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
> between to stabilize the second.
> =A0 Tarp THREE covers my first lawn mower that I would like to fix some
> day. =A0It's smaller and gets into small places, and is built as a
> mulching mower, and the tarp there goes all the way to the cement.
Again, depending on the neighborhood, how close homes are, where this
is visible from, etc, I could see this being a case where the neighbor
thinks this is an eyesore and likely to get worse.
>
> I can't reach him on the phone so far. =A0What is he likely complaining
> about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
> make him happy?
>
> Thanks
>
> =A0layer.
Only one that can tell you what specific ordinances apply is the town
code official.
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| Buck Turgidson 2008-03-27, 5:26 pm |
| Sorry to say this, but why don't you just clean up the place? Do yourself,
your neighbors, and the neighborhood a favor?
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| hallerb@aol.com 2008-03-27, 8:25 pm |
| On Mar 27, 5:17=EF=BF=BDpm, "Buck Turgidson" <jc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry to say this, but why don't you just clean up the place? =EF=BF=BD Do=
yourself,
> your neighbors, and the neighborhood a favor?
gasoline is best stored in a locked shed far away from home, most of
this stuff could go in a shed, why not get a cheap one?
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2008-03-27, 8:25 pm |
|
"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:fbpnu3t50iap83v1t9m44a2bqvq8gke4mk@4ax.com...
> Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
> standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
Probably safer inside of a shed where no one can steal it or toss matches at
it. I'd not attempt to gess at your local codes
>
>
> 2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground.
>
> Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
> front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence")
>
> 3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them.
Not seeing your place I'm not going to judge, but, he could just be a PITA
neighbor or your yard can look like a redneck vacation spa with wood and
tarps abound. Take an objective look at it as if you were living next door
and were having a party for friends in your yard. What would they see?
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| Skip Trace 2008-03-27, 8:25 pm |
| mm wrote:
> Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
> standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
>
> 1) Some obnoxious neighbor must have ratted on me to the code
> enforcement, and he seems to be complaining about this. I havent'
> reached him by phone to learn details, but I thought it was ok. I'm
> certainly not supposed to put the gasoline in my house, right?
>
> 2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground. I think he is
> referring to either a) a piece of t-111 lying under my deck, which I
> have ther so that I don't have to lie in the dirt, sometimes muddy,
> when I crawl under the deck to get my spare key, which is buried
> there.
>
> Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
> front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence") that I put
> there so that I could rebuild the motorcycle without oil on the cement
> and without scratching the cement with the kickstand.
>
> I've neve seen termite damage to t-111, evne though I do have termite
> damage to my untreated fence pickets 15 feet away. Is t-111 (or even
> plywood. Maybe he thought it was plywood) on the ground or the cement
> some sort of violation in some places?
>
> 3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them. I
> have three, all of them the cheap blue woven tarps. ONE covers the
> motorcycle but doesn't reach to the ground.
> Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
> protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
> second layer. Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
> between to stabilize the second.
> Tarp THREE covers my first lawn mower that I would like to fix some
> day. It's smaller and gets into small places, and is built as a
> mulching mower, and the tarp there goes all the way to the cement.
>
>
> I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
> about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
> make him happy?
>
> Thanks
You sound like an absolute pig. It's pretty sad to blame your troubles
on an obnoxious neighbor.
Do your neighborhood justice, by taking that gasoline, pouring it on
your pig pen, and tossing a match.
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| On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:49:44 -0400, Skip Trace <dot@dot.com> wrote:
>mm wrote:
>
>You sound like an absolute pig. It's pretty sad to blame your troubles
>on an obnoxious neighbor.
I know more about my n'bors than you do. And I know the one who left
an AC compressor (the whole box) in the middle of her back yard for 6
months, though I never even considered complaining, and never puts a
leash on her dog when she walks him (a pit bull), which the HOA has
complained about a lot of times, and who screamed like a banshee about
my yard when I talked to her nephew about the dog.
When you grow up, you may learn not to jump to conclusions.
| |
|
| On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:56 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol.com"
<hallerb@aol.com> wrote:
>
>gasoline is best stored in a locked shed far away from home, most of
>this stuff could go in a shed, why not get a cheap one?
I should have said I have a townhouse, and no room for a shed. There
is only one shed in the whole n'hood. I wonder if that means everyone
else is keeping their gas inside the house.
---
In place of multiple replies:
The T-111 under the deck is scrap. When I first buried the keys
there, I only had to get it every 3 or 4 years, and after the first
time I got a little dirty, if I were in good clothes, I'd take off my
outer clothes and get the key. It was always at night, and no one can
see my back yard anyhow unless they walk right behind me or my
neighbor, which no one ever does at night. Finally, it was wet once,
and I put down the t-111 which ends a foot from the house anyhow.
The t-111 in the front reaches the house, which is brick, but doesn't
reach the yard. It ends at least a foot away. Termites won't go
outside that much. Long ago I talked to a pro about my fence and he
said as long as the pickets were an inch above the grass, they were
safe from termites, and that proved to be true.
The yard looks fine. The only complaints have been about what is
under the deck or in the 8x8' area that is surrounded by a 5 foot,
what they call privacy fence, solid, no one can see in.
I have thought about children, but there are no little children around
here who play without being watched. None of them has even come in my
fence, I guess because it's a fence. Except once two ten-year olds
walked part way up the sidewalk. They were afraid to come further. I
saw them through the upstairs windows and talked to them. Once in 25
years. That's when I've been here. But I've never had anything moved
or missing either. I've never seen kids prowling around anyone else's
yard either.
The only one who can see in is my next door n'bor. Previous ones
probably looked over no more than I look over there (once a year?) but
the new guy smokes outside a lot and told me he wanted me to get rid
of things, all of the stuff it seemed. He raised the subject. He has
nothing in his area, not even a grill. He asked what I was going to
do with the motorcycle. I said I was going to fix it and ride it. He
expressed concern about snakes when the stream rose, and about rats.
I've never seen a snake around here and I last saw a rat 20 years ago.
But if there were a snake, unless it poisonous, that would be fine by
me. I wanted to live next to a stream to be near wildlife. And
because there is a stream, they built a sewer main beside it, as they
often do. I guess that's where the rat 20 years ago came from.
Despite all that I don't think he called code enforcement because he's
only lived here since August, he seems very friendly and his wife is
cordial, we've gotten along well, he invited me in to give him advice
on plumbing, and he's offered to fix my car if it breaks, and he never
talked about anything bothering him before I got the paper from the
county. I can't believe he'd go straight to them without talking to me
first.
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| Toffee Monday 2008-03-27, 9:25 pm |
| mm wrote:
on an obnoxious neighbor.
>
> I know more about my n'bors than you do. And I know the one who left
> an AC compressor (the whole box) in the middle of her back yard for 6
> months, though I never even considered complaining, and never puts a
> leash on her dog when she walks him (a pit bull), which the HOA has
> complained about a lot of times, and who screamed like a banshee about
> my yard when I talked to her nephew about the dog.
>
> When you grow up, you may learn not to jump to conclusions.
Oink, oink, little piggy.
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| In article <q1gou3tqflr11tlsfrk7a4gsurms0k6bg2@4ax.com>, mm says...
>
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:49:44 -0400, Skip Trace <dot@dot.com> wrote:
>
>
>I know more about my n'bors than you do. And I know the one who left
>an AC compressor (the whole box) in the middle of her back yard for 6
>months, though I never even considered complaining, and never puts a
>leash on her dog when she walks him (a pit bull), which the HOA has
>complained about a lot of times, and who screamed like a banshee about
>my yard when I talked to her nephew about the dog.
>
>When you grow up, you may learn not to jump to conclusions.
>
So, this comes down to, what.... two wrongs make a right? Or izzit "looky
they're even worser than I am"? You want someone here to say "there there your
place isn't so bad ain't it awful someone complained", don't you.
Just read the code, bring your place up to code, then you don't have to worry
about who is saying what. It's pretty simple really.
Banty
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| On 27 Mar 2008 19:29:08 -0700, Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>So, this comes down to, what.... two wrongs make a right?
No, I didn't say anything like that. Since I can't reach the
inspector so far, I'm trying another method to find out what exactly
he was complaining about.
There are three tarps and I don't know which or how many he is
complaining about. There are two pieces of wood. Same question.
It's foolish to assume it is all of them, because in situations like
this it rarely is.
> Or izzit "looky
>they're even worser than I am"?
No, I didn't say that either. My point is that she's a nasty person
who would have complained no matter even when the things weren't so
bad.
> You want someone here to say "there there your
>place isn't so bad ain't it awful someone complained", don't you.
>
>Just read the code,
I would to be able to read the code. Do you have a copy?
>bring your place up to code, then you don't have to worry
>about who is saying what. It's pretty simple really.
>
>Banty
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| Norminn 2008-03-28, 9:25 am |
| mm wrote:
>On 27 Mar 2008 19:29:08 -0700, Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>No, I didn't say anything like that. Since I can't reach the
>inspector so far, I'm trying another method to find out what exactly
>he was complaining about.
>
>There are three tarps and I don't know which or how many he is
>complaining about. There are two pieces of wood. Same question.
>
>It's foolish to assume it is all of them, because in situations like
>this it rarely is.
>
>
In my city, disabled vehicles are a code violation. "Outside storage"
is also a code violation,
unless it is something intended to BE outdoors, like grill and lawn
furniture.
>
>
>
>No, I didn't say that either. My point is that she's a nasty person
>who would have complained no matter even when the things weren't so
>bad.
>
>
>
The first time I complained about code violation in our condo was about
my hubby's junk
that was stored outside. He moved from a place with a lot of storage to
a condo with no
garage. Just had an emotional attachment to all his crap that was
relatively useless. I
thought the complaint was anonymous, but the enforcement officer showed
hubby my
email. That was the first time he considered divorcing me. I have
found that for the
number of people willing to act on code violations, there are probably
ten more who
are really bothered but do nothing.
Your place sounds like kind of an eyesore - you cover your patio to keep
from getting
oil on it, but it is piled with "stuff" that looks unsightly.
>
>I would to be able to read the code. Do you have a copy?
>
>
My city has all of their building codes online.
>
>
>
>
>
When folks work hard to keep their property looking nice, and spend a
fair sum of
money, they don't want to sit in the yard or look out the window and see
their
neighbor's junk. That's why there are building codes.
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| trader4@optonline.net 2008-03-28, 9:25 am |
| On Mar 27, 9:28=A0pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:56 -0700 (PDT), "hall...@aol.com"
>
> <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I should have said I have a townhouse, and no room for a shed. =A0There
> is only one shed in the whole n'hood. =A0I wonder if that means everyone
> else is keeping their gas inside the house.
>
> ---
> In place of multiple replies:
>
> The T-111 under the deck is scrap. =A0When I first buried =A0the keys
> there, I only had to get it every 3 or 4 years, and after the first
> time I got a little dirty, if I were in good clothes, I'd take off my
> outer clothes and get the key. =A0It was always at night, and no one can
> see my back yard anyhow unless they walk right behind me or my
> neighbor, which no one ever does at night. Finally, it was wet once,
> and I put down the t-111 which ends a foot from the house anyhow.
>
> The t-111 in the front reaches the house, which is brick, but doesn't
> reach the yard. It ends at least a foot away. =A0Termites won't go
> outside that much. =A0Long ago I talked to a pro about my fence and he
> said as long as the pickets were an inch above the grass, they were
> safe from termites, and that proved to be true.
>
> The yard looks fine. =A0The only complaints have been about what is
> under the deck or in the 8x8' area that is surrounded by a 5 foot,
> what they call privacy fence, solid, no one can see in.
>
> I have thought about children, but there are no little children around
> here who play without being watched. =A0None of them has even come in my
> fence, I guess because it's a fence. =A0Except once two ten-year olds
> walked part way up the sidewalk. =A0They were afraid to come further. I
> saw them through the upstairs windows and talked to them. Once in 25
> years. That's when I've been here. =A0But I've never had anything moved
> or missing either. I've never seen kids prowling around anyone else's
> yard either.
>
> The only one who can see in is my next door n'bor. =A0Previous ones
> probably looked over no more than I look over there (once a year?) but
> the new guy smokes outside a lot and told me he wanted me to get rid
> of things, all of the stuff it seemed. He raised the subject. =A0He has
> nothing in his area, not even a grill. =A0He asked what I was going to
> do with the motorcycle. =A0I said I was going to fix it and ride it. He
> expressed concern about snakes when the stream rose, and about rats.
Uh huh.
> I've never seen a snake around here and I last saw a rat 20 years ago.
> But if there were a snake, unless it poisonous, that would be fine by
> me. =A0I wanted to live next to a stream to be near wildlife. =A0 And
> because there is a stream, they built a sewer main beside it, as they
> often do. =A0I guess that's where the rat 20 years ago came from.
>
> Despite all that I don't think he called code enforcement because he's
> only lived here since August, he seems very friendly and his wife is
> cordial, we've gotten along well, he invited me in to give him advice
> on plumbing, and he's offered to fix my car if it breaks, and he never
> talked about anything bothering him before I got the paper from the
> county. I can't believe he'd go straight to them without talking to me
> first. =A0
Are you related to Homer Simpson? The guy DID already talk to you
about some of the stuff in your yard. Do you think MAYBE he was
saying he wanted to get rid of most of the junk in his own yard as a
hint that MAYBE he doesn't like looking at crap in your yard? You
state that he's only lived there since August. Hmmmm, that seems
about the right amount of time. He's been somewhat reasonable,
dropping hints and waiting. Should he have told you straight up to
clean up or else? Yeah. But in my experience, had he done that,
then you'd be here whinning about how unreasonable he was instead of
cleaning up anyway.
Since this is a townhome, I'd be surprised if there isn't a governing
body with rules, regulations, covenanats, etc., which are far more
strict on controlling what is or isn't allowed than any town
ordinances.
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|
| In article <28nou3pj1u98i2fi183jnf4s6mk61gf6v5@4ax.com>, mm says...
>
>On 27 Mar 2008 19:29:08 -0700, Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
>No, I didn't say anything like that. Since I can't reach the
>inspector so far, I'm trying another method to find out what exactly
>he was complaining about.
So, send him a letter asking for clarification.
How did you learn of the complaints? What exactly did they say? Did you
actually *get* a complaint from someone in authority, or is this gossip/hearsay?
>
>There are three tarps and I don't know which or how many he is
>complaining about. There are two pieces of wood. Same question.
>
>It's foolish to assume it is all of them, because in situations like
>this it rarely is.
Actually, it usually *is* "all of them", because the *problem* is in the general
trashiness of the property. You might address some of the specifics you list -
Norm is right that, for everyone who complains, there are like 10 more who
aren't happy with it either. Addressing some of the items you know about well
enough to tell us about it (!) may keep it down below the complaint threshold.
>
>
>No, I didn't say that either. My point is that she's a nasty person
>who would have complained no matter even when the things weren't so
>bad.
So make it better than not "so bad". I take it you even know you're pushing the
limits of tolerance in your community.
You know, if I placed a bet that any given complaint I hear described wouldn't
be accompanied by a description of "nastiness" of said complainer, I'd more
often lose the money. It's like hearing divorced people talk about their exes.
Yes, both halves of the same couple. It's always how awful and abusive the
*other* one is.
Look - it's immaterial, irrelevant. You actally *listed* some things that you
know look bad. Just Fix Them. Better, look at the codes and covenants (if any)
of your community and Just Follow Them.
Just keep your nose clean. If there be belligerent complainers (they do exist,
but not nearly so often as some like to claim), they'll complain about someone
*else*. That would solve your issue with any of these that may exist - no?
>
>
>I would to be able to read the code. Do you have a copy?
No silly. Go to your local governing boards, whatever they may be. Town, condo
association, whatever.
Banty
| |
|
| In article <825760a8-00e3-4f11-b019-4535f9d43dfc@m34g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
trader4@optonline.net says...
>
>Uh huh.
A.
B.
[color=darkred]
>
>
>Are you related to Homer Simpson? The guy DID already talk to you
>about some of the stuff in your yard. Do you think MAYBE he was
>saying he wanted to get rid of most of the junk in his own yard as a
>hint that MAYBE he doesn't like looking at crap in your yard? You
>state that he's only lived there since August. Hmmmm, that seems
>about the right amount of time. He's been somewhat reasonable,
>dropping hints and waiting. Should he have told you straight up to
>clean up or else? Yeah. But in my experience, had he done that,
>then you'd be here whinning about how unreasonable he was instead of
>cleaning up anyway.
Yep. He says "A", then he says "B". As is usual with folks who ignore the
rules, if you say something they ignore you, if you report to authorities
they'll cry about how you went to authorities why couln't you just settle it
with them. (Don't get the feeling "mm" is one of these, but often the reason
they want to you go to them instead of authorities is to have a chance to tell
you "F*** you mind yer own bisiness". No pleasing 'em.
Banty
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| Nancy Young 2008-03-28, 9:25 am |
|
"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote
> Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
> protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
> second layer. Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
> between to stabilize the second.
No way to say this especially nicely ... a STACK of lawnmowers???
Sounds like a junk yard, and if I was your neighbor, I'd be annoyed,
too.
nancy
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| Stormin Mormon 2008-03-28, 9:25 am |
| Ant bait. Roach bait. Fly bait. Why don't they make "obnoxious neighbor
bait" you can leave out for him to eat, and stop bothering you?
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| Stormin Mormon 2008-03-28, 9:25 am |
| I woulda considered divorce. After all, what good is a wife who doesn't
communicate directly? Gee whiz, can't you two talk to each other? What's the
sense of staying married?
Hope he threw out your relatively useless cosmetics, hair brushes, and scrap
books.
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"Norminn" <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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mm wrote:
The first time I complained about code violation in our condo was about
my hubby's junk
that was stored outside. He moved from a place with a lot of storage to
a condo with no
garage. Just had an emotional attachment to all his crap that was
relatively useless. I
thought the complaint was anonymous, but the enforcement officer showed
hubby my
email. That was the first time he considered divorcing me.
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| cshenk 2008-03-28, 1:25 pm |
|
"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
> about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
> make him happy?
One of the things about a townhouse is you dont have a really private 'yard'
most likely. That means the sort of things you might store in a fenced
private backyard of a house, are problematic in your situation. I'd sell
all but one of the lawn-mowers and get rid of the wood except the discrete
piece you say is under the porch and not visible. I'd think of replacing
that too with some sort of paving stone.
The gas, just left out in the sun isnt very safe. It's the one that may be
a code violation.
You may want to consider one of the smaller rubber-maid storage sheds. They
have several designs of small ones that seem to be workable for your
situation. Make sure it's vented if storing gasoline or a lawnmower with
gasoline in it.
| |
|
| In article <47ecfdc9$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Stormin Mormon says...
>
>I woulda considered divorce. After all, what good is a wife who doesn't
>communicate directly? Gee whiz, can't you two talk to each other? What's the
>sense of staying married?
How do you know she didn't?
Maybe that was the only recourse after either outright refusal or long
procrastination.
Just like with certain neighbors, people pitch a fit over having been 'turned
in', but most often the problem is in their own intransigence.
Banty
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|
|
"Nancy Young" <rjynly@comcast.net> wrote
> No way to say this especially nicely ... a STACK of lawnmowers???
>
> Sounds like a junk yard, and if I was your neighbor, I'd be annoyed,
> too.
>
> nancy
LOL, this is a hoot! The original poster must be a troll. Could you
imagine living besides someone like this?
Then, they wonder why the code inspector is on them.
I shudder to think what the inside of their place is like.
Torching the place seems to be the best idea, to clean this rat trap up.
| |
| Smitty Two 2008-03-28, 1:25 pm |
| In article <47ed1c43$0$1079$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Olley" <none@none.com> wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <rjynly@comcast.net> wrote
>
> LOL, this is a hoot! The original poster must be a troll. Could you
> imagine living besides someone like this?
>
> Then, they wonder why the code inspector is on them.
>
> I shudder to think what the inside of their place is like.
>
> Torching the place seems to be the best idea, to clean this rat trap up.
Sorry, newbie, but mm is not a troll. Maybe a tad eccentric, but an
intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, humorous, daily contributor to the
group. I find it odd that he thinks that tarps, stacks of lawnmowers,
and sheets of plywood lying around would fly in a townhouse setting, but
then he collects spray paint nozzles, so it fits his personality.
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| cshenk 2008-03-28, 1:25 pm |
| "Olley" wrote
> "Nancy Young" wrote
[color=darkred]
> LOL, this is a hoot! The original poster must be a troll. Could you
> imagine living besides someone like this?
Grin, I had a next door neighbor like that, but he kept it all behind his
fenced back yard. I had no issues with it.
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| cshenk 2008-03-28, 1:25 pm |
| "Smitty Two" wrote
> Sorry, newbie, but mm is not a troll. Maybe a tad eccentric, but an
> intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, humorous, daily contributor to the
> group. I find it odd that he thinks that tarps, stacks of lawnmowers,
> and sheets of plywood lying around would fly in a townhouse setting, but
> then he collects spray paint nozzles, so it fits his personality.
Agreed. He's just run astray of what is normally considered acceptable in a
townhouse environment, but would be fine in a fenced backyard <g>.
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| Norminn 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| clipped
>
>Despite all that I don't think he called code enforcement because he's
>only lived here since August, he seems very friendly and his wife is
>cordial, we've gotten along well, he invited me in to give him advice
>on plumbing, and he's offered to fix my car if it breaks, and he never
>talked about anything bothering him before I got the paper from the
>county. I can't believe he'd go straight to them without talking to me
>first.
>
>
>
Now you've got it.........the guy is nice and friendly. He wants to
remain on friendly terms. That is
why he might have submitted an anonymous complaint to the code
enforcement folks. I would
NEVER discuss code violations with a neighbor and then complain to the
city. Perfect way to
end a cordial relationship, or worse. And I have experienced a lot of
the "worse", even
anonymously. I don't call up the code folks every week, but in my condo
the code violations
have been pretty serious (rotted roof beam in atrium that is not
enclosed, lack of lighting on exterior
stairway at night, etc.). You haven't seen vicious until a couple of
speculators buy into a condo and
then someone presses for a substantial maintenance project; folks can
get really, really serious in
how they go about silencing those who oppose them.
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| Norminn 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| Nancy Young wrote:
>"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>No way to say this especially nicely ... a STACK of lawnmowers???
>
>Sounds like a junk yard, and if I was your neighbor, I'd be annoyed,
>too.
>
>nancy
>
>
>
>
I've had the feeling for a while the OP is pulling our leg..........hard
to believe he has all this stuff in front of his house
and then is surprised that someone complained.
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| Norminn 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| Stormin Mormon wrote:
>I woulda considered divorce. After all, what good is a wife who doesn't
>communicate directly? Gee whiz, can't you two talk to each other? What's the
>sense of staying married?
>
>Hope he threw out your relatively useless cosmetics, hair brushes, and scrap
>books.
>
>
>
Storm, he isn't too badly abused. I talked until I was blue in the
face. Neighbors complained to ME, so
that made it more of an issue. He is a real pack rat, not just a guy
with a lot of "stuff" :o)
I talked 'til I was blue in the face about his lousy diet, and he didn't
listen
to that, either, until he got his stent. Now he behaves :o)
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|
|
"Smitty Two" wrote
> Sorry, newbie, but mm is not a troll. Maybe a tad eccentric, but an
> intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, humorous, daily contributor to the
> group. I find it odd that he thinks that tarps, stacks of lawnmowers,
> and sheets of plywood lying around would fly in a townhouse setting, but
> then he collects spray paint nozzles, so it fits his personality.
Birds of a feather...... you know the rest.
Being a "newbie" (chuckle), I shouldn't have to tell you about newsgroup
etiquette, as far as snipping is concerned.
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| Norminn 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| clipped
>
>Sorry, newbie, but mm is not a troll. Maybe a tad eccentric, but an
>intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, humorous, daily contributor to the
>group. I find it odd that he thinks that tarps, stacks of lawnmowers,
>and sheets of plywood lying around would fly in a townhouse setting, but
>then he collects spray paint nozzles, so it fits his personality.
>
>
A person that I know is an inveterate collector of leftover parts. He
was taught from a very young
age, by his dad, how to build or repair just about anything. I forget
the story about the broken
drive shaft on one of his first cars, but it might have had something to
do with duct tape :o) He
keeps all kinds of spare parts and knows their value. My "pack rat"
stacks tend to be things
that the kids and grandkids made or gave me.
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| Stormin Mormon 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| "stack of lawn mowers". Really opens up the imagination.
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"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
1) Some obnoxious neighbor must have ratted on me to the code
enforcement, and he seems to be complaining about this. I havent'
reached him by phone to learn details, but I thought it was ok. I'm
certainly not supposed to put the gasoline in my house, right?
2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground. I think he is
referring to either a) a piece of t-111 lying under my deck, which I
have ther so that I don't have to lie in the dirt, sometimes muddy,
when I crawl under the deck to get my spare key, which is buried
there.
Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence") that I put
there so that I could rebuild the motorcycle without oil on the cement
and without scratching the cement with the kickstand.
I've neve seen termite damage to t-111, evne though I do have termite
damage to my untreated fence pickets 15 feet away. Is t-111 (or even
plywood. Maybe he thought it was plywood) on the ground or the cement
some sort of violation in some places?
3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them. I
have three, all of them the cheap blue woven tarps. ONE covers the
motorcycle but doesn't reach to the ground.
Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
second layer. Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
between to stabilize the second.
Tarp THREE covers my first lawn mower that I would like to fix some
day. It's smaller and gets into small places, and is built as a
mulching mower, and the tarp there goes all the way to the cement.
I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
make him happy?
Thanks
layer.
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| Stormin Mormon 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| Ah, but does he save paper clips and bread bag twist ties?
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"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:prestwhich-E650BB.09562328032008@news.phx.highwinds-
Sorry, newbie, but mm is not a troll. Maybe a tad eccentric, but an
intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, humorous, daily contributor to the
group. I find it odd that he thinks that tarps, stacks of lawnmowers,
and sheets of plywood lying around would fly in a townhouse setting, but
then he collects spray paint nozzles, so it fits his personality.
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| Buck Turgidson 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| > I talked 'til I was blue in the face about his lousy diet, and he didn't
> listen
> to that, either, until he got his stent. Now he behaves :o)
You actually know this guy?
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| Norminn 2008-03-28, 5:25 pm |
| Stormin Mormon wrote:
>Ah, but does he save paper clips and bread bag twist ties?
>
>
>
No, but I do :o) You can never have enough twist ties. I used to have
a friend who washed
and reused plastic bread bags. No too bad an idea if you have the
time. She saved a tub
full of water once. Her hubby had to shut off the water to do some
plumbing, so he filled
the tub first so's she would have water for cooking and doing dishes. I
was at their house
for dinner a couple of weeks later and she was still working on that tub
of water (boiled
first) to do dishes.
| |
|
| On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:31:53 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
<scissor>
>I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
>about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
>make him happy?
I'm hearing/reading two things in the thread here. Code VS HOA CC&Rs.
Please clarify if the city/county informed you or is this a HOA tenant
thing.
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2008-03-29, 3:25 am |
|
"Norminn" <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> I
> thought the complaint was anonymous, but the enforcement officer showed
> hubby my
> email. That was the first time he considered divorcing me.
You don't have a hotmail or gmail address to use? I thought everyone did,
or at least us that like to be anonymous at times.
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| Smitty Two 2008-03-29, 3:25 am |
| In article <47ed3ccc$0$16658$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Olley" <none@none.com> wrote:
> "Smitty Two" wrote
>
> Birds of a feather...... you know the rest.
>
> Being a "newbie" (chuckle), I shouldn't have to tell you about newsgroup
> etiquette, as far as snipping is concerned.
Well, both your comments sailed right over my silly little head. I have
no idea what the hell you're talking about with the birds of a feather
comment; that's a total non-sequitur, and snipping etiquette, what the
hell does that mean, either?
You may not be a newbie to usenet, but you're clearly a newbie to this
group. Maybe you should sit back and shut up until you figure out who's
who and what's what around here. Ain't that the etiquette you think you
know all about?
| |
|
| On Mar 27, 2:31 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Is there a problem storing gasoline outside 6 feet from the house in a
> standard plastic gasoline container, with a pressure vent?
>
> 1) Some obnoxious neighbor must have ratted on me to the code
> enforcement, and he seems to be complaining about this. I havent'
> reached him by phone to learn details, but I thought it was ok. I'm
> certainly not supposed to put the gasoline in my house, right?
>
> 2) He also complained about wood lying on the ground. I think he is
> referring to either a) a piece of t-111 lying under my deck, which I
> have ther so that I don't have to lie in the dirt, sometimes muddy,
> when I crawl under the deck to get my spare key, which is buried
> there.
>
> Or b) the peices of t-111, totalling about 4x8 feet, that are on the
> front patio (which is surrounded by a "privacy fence") that I put
> there so that I could rebuild the motorcycle without oil on the cement
> and without scratching the cement with the kickstand.
>
> I've neve seen termite damage to t-111, evne though I do have termite
> damage to my untreated fence pickets 15 feet away. Is t-111 (or even
> plywood. Maybe he thought it was plywood) on the ground or the cement
> some sort of violation in some places?
>
> 3) He complained about tarps, saying rats would hide under them. I
> have three, all of them the cheap blue woven tarps. ONE covers the
> motorcycle but doesn't reach to the ground.
> Tarp TWO covers the second level of a stack of lawnmowers, to
> protect them from the rain. The tarp is tucked in and only covers the
> second layer. Two lawnmowers on each level, with a piece of t-111 in
> between to stabilize the second.
> Tarp THREE covers my first lawn mower that I would like to fix some
> day. It's smaller and gets into small places, and is built as a
> mulching mower, and the tarp there goes all the way to the cement.
>
> I can't reach him on the phone so far. What is he likely complaining
> about and how can I cover these things or protect the cement and still
> make him happy?
>
> Thanks
>
> layer.
Oh, so many comments and so little time.
First off, if you think he made a complaint and no one has forwarded
it to you, maybe the CEO blew it off and didn't think it was worth the
hassle of investigating.
Don't call the guy. Call the CEO. Calling the guy is just going to
cause an argument. When you call the CEO, don't mention what you
think the guy said, just ask if it's true and let him tell you what it
says, if anything. You don't want to say anything and open a can of
worms.
While storing gasoline outside is not a code issue, it might be a HOA
issue. But the CEO doesn't enforce HOA issues. However, if you were
to store it inside, THAT would be a code issue. We require tenants to
be 10 feet from the our buildings with anything flammable, so the the
6' issue might be a 10' thing but the CEO isn't going to make a
federal case out if it because all yo have to do it pick it up and
move it.
I doubt is wood on the ground is a code issue, esp if it's under a
cover. But again, it might be a HOA issue.
Repairing your MC in your yard might be a code issue but would likely
be a HOA issue.
Storing the movers might be a legit issue.
Good luck with it.
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| trader4@optonline.net 2008-03-29, 9:25 am |
| On Mar 29, 2:28=A0am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> Oh, so many comments and so little time.
>
> First off, if you think he made a complaint and no one has forwarded
> it to you, maybe the CEO blew it off and didn't think it was worth the
> hassle of investigating.
>
> Don't call the guy. =A0Call the CEO. =A0Calling the guy is just going to
> cause an argument. =A0When you call the CEO, don't mention what you
> think the guy said, just ask if it's true and let him tell you what it
> says, if anything. =A0You don't want to say anything and open a can of
> worms.
>
> While storing gasoline outside is not a code issue, it might be a HOA
> issue. =A0
What makes you think storing gasoline outside in a can sitting in the
yard is not a code issue? I would think most municipalities would
have strict regulations on how gasoline and similar flammables may be
stored. There are a number of obvious issues, one of which is a
ready target for vandalism. Also, today, even if an auto accident
spills a couple gallons of oil, gas, or antifreeze, it's treated as an
environmental cleanup. So, I would not be at all surprised to find
that there are reqts that gasoline be stored in a secured location as
opposed to sitting a can in the yard.
But the CEO doesn't enforce HOA issues. =A0However, if you were
> to store it inside, THAT would be a code issue. =A0We require tenants to
> be 10 feet from the our buildings with anything flammable,
Does that include vodka, lighter fluid, flammable spot remover, many
paint related products, etc? Do you have garages and if so, what
about the gasoline in tanks of cars, motorcycles, etc? Plus, there
is an obvious difference in what a landlord can require in a rental
agreement, vs what HOA or local codes allow.
so the the
> 6' issue might be a 10' thing but the CEO isn't going to make a
> federal case out if it because all yo have to do it pick it up and
> move it.
>
> I doubt is wood on the ground is a code issue, esp if it's under a
> cover. =A0But again, it might be a HOA issue.
>
> Repairing your MC in your yard might be a code issue but would likely
> be a HOA issue.
>
> Storing the movers might be a legit issue.
>
> Good luck with it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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| Stormin Mormon 2008-03-31, 8:25 pm |
| She's got me beat. I've been known to let the tub of hot water sit till it
gets cool. I mean, I'm the guy who paid to heat that water. It can release
MY heat in the house, or in the drain.
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"Norminn" <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>Ah, but does he save paper clips and bread bag twist ties?
>
>
>
No, but I do :o) You can never have enough twist ties. I used to have
a friend who washed
and reused plastic bread bags. No too bad an idea if you have the
time. She saved a tub
full of water once. Her hubby had to shut off the water to do some
plumbing, so he filled
the tub first so's she would have water for cooking and doing dishes. I
was at their house
for dinner a couple of weeks later and she was still working on that tub
of water (boiled
first) to do dishes.
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| Norminn 2008-03-31, 8:25 pm |
| Stormin Mormon wrote:
>She's got me beat. I've been known to let the tub of hot water sit till it
>gets cool. I mean, I'm the guy who paid to heat that water. It can release
>MY heat in the house, or in the drain.
>
>
>
As much as she pinched pennies, and she pinched harder than anyone else
that I know, she was also
very generous. Good cook, great company, great neighbor and she fed me
many times. Her hubby
was disabled with emphysema, but equally a great friend and good
neighbor. I forget what went
wrong....car trouble? broken sprinkler?......but I had a problem one
day and Bob got on his riding
mower to come across the street to help me out. He couldn't walk that
far, but he did help me.
Another neighbor, at the same place, lived behind me and I had never met
him. He saw the sprinkler
repairman in my back yard one day and came over to ask the guy what he
was up to ......it hadn't
appeared that there was work going on and the neighbor was just making
sure I was OK. Boy,
do I miss good neighbors!!!
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