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vegetable presses for oil?
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| JTurner 2005-10-10, 9:21 pm |
| Hi,
How many companies are making oil presses today? Does anyone rate the
various oil presses for durability, quality and value?
John
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| Steve Spence 2005-10-10, 10:21 pm |
| GeekBoy wrote:
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> Those units are way overpriced.
>
> China and India have the lead in manufactoring oil presses and expellers in
> units.
Well, not having tried both units, I can't say if Taby is overpriced, or
just well built. Can you?
--
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-11, 4:21 am |
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"Steve Spence" <sspence@green-trust.org> wrote in message
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> GeekBoy wrote:
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> Well, not having tried both units, I can't say if Taby is overpriced, or
> just well built. Can you?
>
Actually to me it looks like a tube mounted to a motor. Though I do agree
the units do look well made.
It looks hand made therefore low production/higher costs.
The cheapest chinese units I have seen may not be the best made. On the
other hand while the cheapest chinese units (under $1000 delivered) can
crunch 1 Ton of seed in 24 hours while the best Taby one can only crunch
around 5500 pounds in the same time.
Cost to ouput wise, I would prefer to spend that same money for a better
chinese one and put out hundreds of tons of seed. I am sure one could recoup
the cost of a faster and cheaper unit within no time. Breaks down? So what
buy another. Still ahead.
So yes I would say a seed presser/expeller that can only crunch 5500
pounds/24 hours for $80,000 I would say is overpriced as compared to one
that can do several time to work for less price.
> --
> Steve Spence
> Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
> Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net
> http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
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GeekBoy wrote:
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> The cheapest chinese units I have seen may not be the best made. On the
> other hand while the cheapest chinese units (under $1000 delivered) can
> crunch 1 Ton of seed in 24 hours while the best Taby one can only crunch
> around 5500 pounds in the same time.
>
But, but surely there are only 2240 pounds in a ton so the Taby unit is
twice as good as the Chinese unit?
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Malc
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| JTurner 2005-10-11, 11:21 am |
| GeekBoy wrote:
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> The cheapest chinese units I have seen may not be the best made. On the
> other hand while the cheapest chinese units (under $1000 delivered) can
> crunch 1 Ton of seed in 24 hours while the best Taby one can only crunch
> around 5500 pounds in the same time.
>
Geekboy,
Do you have a URL for these Chinese units?
John
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-11, 12:21 pm |
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"malc" <malcolm.white@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> wrote in message
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> GeekBoy wrote:
> But, but surely there are only 2240 pounds in a ton so the Taby unit is
> twice as good as the Chinese unit?
>
No.
I am sure it is many times better in the way it is made.
But you go figure. The cheapest Chinese unit for under $1000 for 1 Ton/24
hours or $80,000 for 2 Tons/24 Hours
> --
> Malc
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-11, 12:21 pm |
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"JTurner" <JimT@internetconnect.org> wrote in message
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> GeekBoy wrote:
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> Geekboy,
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> Do you have a URL for these Chinese units?
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> John
http://js-machine.en.alibaba.com/pr...ess_FP_J02.html
Here is their cheapest model.
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"GeekBoy" <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote in message
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> "malc" <malcolm.white@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> wrote in message
> news:1129017754.951815.263830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> No.
>
> I am sure it is many times better in the way it is made.
> But you go figure. The cheapest Chinese unit for under $1000 for 1 Ton/24
> hours or $80,000 for 2 Tons/24 Hours
>
I'm sure you're right. I was just picking up on the "only 5500 pounds per
hour"
--
Malc
Never apply a StarTrek solution to a Babylon 5 problem
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| JTurner 2005-10-11, 7:21 pm |
| GeekBoy wrote:
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http://js-machine.en.alibaba.com/pr...ess_FP_J02.html
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> Here is their cheapest model.
Any idea if someone is currently importing these Chinese presses to the US?
I imported a CNC controller from China - it was a complete disaster....
John
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-12, 12:21 am |
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"JTurner" <JimT@internetconnect.org> wrote in message
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> GeekBoy wrote:
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> http://js-machine.en.alibaba.com/pr...ess_FP_J02.html
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>
>
> Any idea if someone is currently importing these Chinese presses to the
> US?
> I imported a CNC controller from China - it was a complete disaster....
I have been looking all over for a cheaper Chinese or Indian oil press in
the US without luck.
There is not a very big market in the US for seed presses in the US for
small scale. Everybody wants everything ready made. Hence the popularity of
TV dinners.
Everything I have found out says you will have to look outside the US and
that is all I have found.
I have found one company in the SF Bay Area that does have a press for olive
oil, but it is based on a 10 or 20 ton hydraulic jack and costs well over
$1000.
I have also seen free plans for something similar. These are very small
scale and very inefficient. Would take a whole day just get 1 gallon.
The Chinese ones are expeller presses that use a screw to squeeze the oil
and drop the oil right below and expel the waste out the side. These operate
continuously.
The company quoted me $650 delivered.
You would not mind telling me about the import disaster?
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> John
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| Gordon Richmond 2005-10-12, 4:21 am |
| So what does this press sell for?
I'm wondering if I had one, could I buy low-grade canola from local
farmers and press my own canola oil to use a Diesel fuel.
There's about a half-section of canola lying in the swath within a
quarter-mile of my house.
Gordon Richmond
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-12, 5:21 am |
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"Gordon Richmond" <richmond@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> So what does this press sell for?
>
> I'm wondering if I had one, could I buy low-grade canola from local
> farmers and press my own canola oil to use a Diesel fuel.
>
> There's about a half-section of canola lying in the swath within a
> quarter-mile of my house.
>
> Gordon Richmond
It sells for $650 delivered according to the company.
The problem with canola as with most other oil bearing seeds grown in the US
is that they are edible and costs more.
There are other seeds that are not edible, but would cost very little.
That said it still does not hurt to try.
With all these people interested in oil presses, I wonder if we could start
a import coop to get a larger order and get the prices down a lot? Maybe
$300 a piece, or less, including shipping.
This company is "Gold Verified" which means their company has been verified
legit.
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| JTurner 2005-10-12, 8:21 am |
| GeekBoy wrote:
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> You would not mind telling me about the import disaster?
>
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Bought a CNC router on the cheap from Ebay. The controller did not come
with it. Rather than build one or adadt one - that it would be easier to
buy the OEM controller.
Contacted the seller and negotiated a price of $1200 delivered. The
controller was sent to a freight forwarding company and the terminal of an
international airport near me. The forwarder wanted $250 + shipping to
clear customs and reship it to me (about 250 miles). I drove down to
Atlanta to pickup the package and take it thru customs myself. The freight
forwarder would not release my paperwork unless I paid them a $50
"paperwork" fee. I spent the majority of a day waiting on a customs
inspector and the seriously antiquated release process.
I got the controller home and it was DOA. Chinese company says "It was
tested and working" and they were not prepared to send another or to have
this one repaired. I scrapped the controller and built one from a kit.
The last thing I want to do is import directly if I can help it.
I sure would like to buy a cheap seed press tho.....
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-12, 12:21 pm |
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"JTurner" <JimT@internetconnect.org> wrote in message
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> GeekBoy wrote:
>
>
>
> Bought a CNC router on the cheap from Ebay. The controller did not come
> with it. Rather than build one or adadt one - that it would be easier to
> buy the OEM controller.
>
> Contacted the seller and negotiated a price of $1200 delivered. The
> controller was sent to a freight forwarding company and the terminal of an
> international airport near me. The forwarder wanted $250 + shipping to
> clear customs and reship it to me (about 250 miles). I drove down to
> Atlanta to pickup the package and take it thru customs myself. The
> freight
> forwarder would not release my paperwork unless I paid them a $50
> "paperwork" fee. I spent the majority of a day waiting on a customs
> inspector and the seriously antiquated release process.
>
> I got the controller home and it was DOA. Chinese company says "It was
> tested and working" and they were not prepared to send another or to have
> this one repaired. I scrapped the controller and built one from a kit.
> The last thing I want to do is import directly if I can help it.
>
> I sure would like to buy a cheap seed press tho.....
>
>
Ahhh...ebay..that explains everything.
This company said it would send extra parts with the units. I doubt that
much could go wrong with a mostly mechanical unit.
As I said in the other thread, I wonder if we could get enough people
involved to start a little importing coop to import the seed presses
ourselves and get better pricing. I live on the west coast and could pick up
the units from a shipping port so we would only have to pay for shipping to
say either Long Beach or San Francisco then forward the units to everyone.
That "freight forwarder" sounds a bit seedy
I will contact them to see how mch each one weighs, size and what parts coem
with it.
GB
>
>
>
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| Dave Hinz 2005-10-12, 12:21 pm |
| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:59:07 -0700, GeekBoy <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
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> "JTurner" <JimT@internetconnect.org> wrote in message
> news:11kprpgcn3anb48@news.supernews.com...
[color=darkred]
> Ahhh...ebay..that explains everything.
What, specifically, do you mean by this? eBay is just the forum; they
are not the seller. I've had over 100 positive transactions on eBay in
the last 2 months, for instance. Listed another 37 items this weekend.
So, what exactly do you mean by "that explains everything"? Could you,
perhaps, be confusing that seller with every other seller? Are you
assuming that the listing said a controller _was_ with the item?
Without an item number so we can look at the auction, there's no way to
know, is there.
People blaming eBay for bad business deals, are like people blaming the
post office when they get a "dear John" letter.
Dave Hinz
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-12, 2:21 pm |
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"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:59:07 -0700, GeekBoy <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> What, specifically, do you mean by this? eBay is just the forum; they
> are not the seller. I've had over 100 positive transactions on eBay in
> the last 2 months, for instance. Listed another 37 items this weekend.
>
> So, what exactly do you mean by "that explains everything"? Could you,
> perhaps, be confusing that seller with every other seller? Are you
> assuming that the listing said a controller _was_ with the item?
> Without an item number so we can look at the auction, there's no way to
> know, is there.
Can't read between the lines? Buying overseas off ebay and you don't get it?
There is a higher risk of something going wrong when you are thousands of
miles away (especially from another country) from the seller when buying off
ebay.
They let anyone set up a buyers acount. Their "safe" buying consists of
swatting the hand of the seller who ripped you off.
I myself was ripped off before. The seller was in the US. The item was only
$26 plus shipping. Never received item. Ebays "safe" harbor: Here is your
$26 minus a "insurance" deductable which leaves you $1. The seller continues
to sell to this day.
It happens all the time. I personally know one person who bought brand name
jeans from a seller in china off ebay. Spent several hundred dollars.
All fake copies. ebay's response? Nothing. Yeah sure..don't blame ebay that
helps to facilitate criminals.
If I send you fake jeans in the post office, be assured they would be
knocking on my door for mail fraud.
In that case I know a former dead president from Mugama who left billions of
an recently dicovered unknown bank acount and we could use your help.
>
> People blaming eBay for bad business deals, are like people blaming the
> post office when they get a "dear John" letter.
>
> Dave Hinz
>
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| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:22:26 -0700, "GeekBoy" <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
>"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>news:3r4n36Fhrs20U11@individual.net...
>
>Can't read between the lines? Buying overseas off ebay and you don't get it?
It's amazing how much junk I still see of Dave's even though he's in my
filter. I need to find a way to filter out replies to him as well.
Please understand that you will turn purple showing him black and white
common knowledge factual information, and you will get nowhere. Get ready
for a 'cutesy' reply from him as well trying to, somehow, justify his
delusional thinking (oh, also get ready for him to take a poke at me as
well).
Much easier to use a filter than to keep flogging him. He only sees his
way. Period. There is no other way.
>There is a higher risk of something going wrong when you are thousands of
>miles away (especially from another country) from the seller when buying off
>ebay.
>They let anyone set up a buyers acount. Their "safe" buying consists of
>swatting the hand of the seller who ripped you off.
>
>I myself was ripped off before. The seller was in the US. The item was only
>$26 plus shipping. Never received item. Ebays "safe" harbor: Here is your
>$26 minus a "insurance" deductable which leaves you $1. The seller continues
>to sell to this day.
>
>It happens all the time. I personally know one person who bought brand name
>jeans from a seller in china off ebay. Spent several hundred dollars.
>All fake copies. ebay's response? Nothing. Yeah sure..don't blame ebay that
>helps to facilitate criminals.
>
>If I send you fake jeans in the post office, be assured they would be
>knocking on my door for mail fraud.
>
>In that case I know a former dead president from Mugama who left billions of
>an recently dicovered unknown bank acount and we could use your help.
>
>
>
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-12, 2:21 pm |
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"Mark" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:22:26 -0700, "GeekBoy" <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's amazing how much junk I still see of Dave's even though he's in my
> filter. I need to find a way to filter out replies to him as well.
>
Ahh..ghee thanks for that info. Did not know. That was the first time I ever
saw a post from him.
You can add a filter to include content in the message body or headers
> Please understand that you will turn purple showing him black and white
> common knowledge factual information, and you will get nowhere. Get ready
> for a 'cutesy' reply from him as well trying to, somehow, justify his
> delusional thinking (oh, also get ready for him to take a poke at me as
> well).
>
> Much easier to use a filter than to keep flogging him. He only sees his
> way. Period. There is no other way.
>
>
>
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| Dave Hinz 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:22:26 -0700, GeekBoy <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:3r4n36Fhrs20U11@individual.net...
[color=darkred]
> Can't read between the lines? Buying overseas off ebay and you don't get it?
Ah, so you meant to say "buying overseas from an unknown purchaser"
then?
> There is a higher risk of something going wrong when you are thousands of
> miles away (especially from another country) from the seller
Yes.
> when buying off
> ebay.
Irrelevant.
> They let anyone set up a buyers acount. Their "safe" buying consists of
> swatting the hand of the seller who ripped you off.
Am I the only person who, you know, reads feedback? I mean, you
wouldn't spend big bucks on someone with a feedback rating of 5, would
you?
> I myself was ripped off before. The seller was in the US. The item was only
> $26 plus shipping. Never received item. Ebays "safe" harbor: Here is your
> $26 minus a "insurance" deductable which leaves you $1. The seller continues
> to sell to this day.
Did you leave feedback accordingly, so people can be warned?
> It happens all the time. I personally know one person who bought brand name
> jeans from a seller in china off ebay. Spent several hundred dollars.
> All fake copies. ebay's response? Nothing. Yeah sure..don't blame ebay that
> helps to facilitate criminals.
Let's see. Name brand jeans at a steep discount from China. I'm sorry,
but applying the "reasonable man" test, it's hardly a surprise that
they're fakes, is it?
> If I send you fake jeans in the post office, be assured they would be
> knocking on my door for mail fraud.
Probably, yes. I guess that one should be careful when buying, you
know, sketchy merchandise then, sholdn't they.
> In that case I know a former dead president from Mugama who left billions of
> an recently dicovered unknown bank acount and we could use your help.
Um, it's you who apparently can't read feedback ratings, not me.
[color=darkred]
I notice you missed this point?
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| Dave Hinz 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:30:26 -0400, Mark <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:22:26 -0700, "GeekBoy" <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> It's amazing how much junk I still see of Dave's even though he's in my
> filter. I need to find a way to filter out replies to him as well.
It's amazing how you cowardly snipe at me from behind your killfile.
Here's a suggestion - either come out from behind mommy's skirt, or just
stay hidden. Trying to have it both ways confirms your intellectual
cowardice.
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| Dave Hinz 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:42:35 -0700, GeekBoy <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
> "Mark" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:s9eqk1dl6g2sp08k1h3tjcb63hqv6tnaua@4ax.com...
[color=darkred]
> Ahh..ghee thanks for that info. Did not know. That was the first time I ever
> saw a post from him.
Gosh, look at that, Mark's got a fan.
Point remains that you made a blanket statement apparently blaming eBay
in general for an alleged bad experience, without any kind of
information for an outside observer to know the, you know, real story.
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
|
"GeekBoy" <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:s9eqk1dl6g2sp08k1h3tjcb63hqv6tnaua@4ax.com...
You were quite right in your asessment.
I am not even going to bother to respond.
[color=darkred]
>
> Ahh..ghee thanks for that info. Did not know. That was the first time I
> ever saw a post from him.
>
> You can add a filter to include content in the message body or headers
>
>
>
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| Solar Flare 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
| Thanx for your opinion. The topic at hand was eBay's reliablity.
You should see what they say about you, labeller
"Mark" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:22:26 -0700, "GeekBoy" <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
> It's amazing how much junk I still see of Dave's even though he's in my
> filter. I need to find a way to filter out replies to him as well.
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| Solar Flare 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
| eBay is a bad medium and actually encourages theives to flourish. Yes, I use
ebay also but have almost been ripped off a few times. eBay receieved reporting
about the sacms and did nothing to attempt to stop it. eBay will NEVER, NEVER, I
repeat, NEVER respond to a complaint. Luckily I foiled the thief or I would have
been out by $6K US. The theif is still selling under a different name. The
product and M.O. is exactly the same.
Beware of broken engrish eBay postings and false locations. It's that simple
usually.
"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:42:35 -0700, GeekBoy <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Gosh, look at that, Mark's got a fan.
>
> Point remains that you made a blanket statement apparently blaming eBay
> in general for an alleged bad experience, without any kind of
> information for an outside observer to know the, you know, real story.
>
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| Solar Flare 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
| You don't get out much.
My wife left bad feedback for a vendor and he just had it removed. Don't say it
can't happen. despite what eBay claims, it did happen. I saw the feedback and
the text and it just disapeared.
A despute email was receieved by my wife and when she didn;'t reposnd to it
within the 3 days or so her comments and rating disappeared.
The moral of the story is. If you see a 100% avoid the vendor. It's a crock and
the vendor knws how to play the game.
eBay cares not.
"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:22:26 -0700, GeekBoy <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ah, so you meant to say "buying overseas from an unknown purchaser"
> then?
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>
> Am I the only person who, you know, reads feedback? I mean, you
> wouldn't spend big bucks on someone with a feedback rating of 5, would
> you?
>
>
> Did you leave feedback accordingly, so people can be warned?
>
>
> Let's see. Name brand jeans at a steep discount from China. I'm sorry,
> but applying the "reasonable man" test, it's hardly a surprise that
> they're fakes, is it?
>
>
> Probably, yes. I guess that one should be careful when buying, you
> know, sketchy merchandise then, sholdn't they.
>
>
> Um, it's you who apparently can't read feedback ratings, not me.
>
>
> I notice you missed this point?
>
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| Dave Hinz 2005-10-12, 3:21 pm |
| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:50:59 -0700, GeekBoy <GeekBoy@Geeks.com> wrote:
>
> "GeekBoy" <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote in message
> news:1129135387.3e11bb43ced723ee850b81b144a86a86@teranews...
>
>
> You were quite right in your asessment.
>
> I am not even going to bother to respond.
Wonderful. Do me a favor and killfile me, then, so you don't
accidentally offend Mark by answering something I write, would you?
I take it, by the way, that you didn't leave negative feedback on your
scammer, so the rest of us can be warned off? Thanks alot.
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| JTurner 2005-10-12, 6:21 pm |
| GeekBoy wrote:
>
> Ahhh...ebay..that explains everything.
> This company said it would send extra parts with the units. I doubt that
> much could go wrong with a mostly mechanical unit.
>
> As I said in the other thread, I wonder if we could get enough people
> involved to start a little importing coop to import the seed presses
> ourselves and get better pricing. I live on the west coast and could pick
> up the units from a shipping port so we would only have to pay for
> shipping to say either Long Beach or San Francisco then forward the units
> to everyone.
>
I'm interested.
The ad needs a bit of work - I don't quite understand the specifics of the
listing. The description says 5.5 kw but I don't recognise anything that
looks like a motor -- only a pulley. Is the buyer supposed to supply a
motor?
I wonder if the company could supply an mpg of the press working? Do you
know if this press would be suitable for soybeans?
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| GeekBoy 2005-10-12, 7:21 pm |
|
"JTurner" <JimT@internetconnect.org> wrote in message
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> GeekBoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I'm interested.
>
> The ad needs a bit of work - I don't quite understand the specifics of the
> listing. The description says 5.5 kw but I don't recognise anything that
> looks like a motor -- only a pulley. Is the buyer supposed to supply a
> motor?
>
> I wonder if the company could supply an mpg of the press working? Do you
> know if this press would be suitable for soybeans?
Their listing in done in metric and thus that same part of the world would
not even list a car with horsepower but power per hour
I can ask.
Send me an email (tjones146 hotmail com)and I can forward what they have
send me so far to you and so we can can start communicating.
I should be getting a response from them tonight.
GB
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| Derek Broughton 2005-10-12, 7:21 pm |
| Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:42:35 -0700, GeekBoy <GeeksRUs@geek.com> wrote:
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Uh, Dave... Was he really worth the trouble of the four extra posts :-)
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| Dave Hinz 2005-10-12, 7:21 pm |
| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:12:45 -0300, Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
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> Uh, Dave... Was he really worth the trouble of the four extra posts :-)
Dunno, but I type pretty fast so it's not like I wasted real time on
him. Certainly less time than getting into, say, an AD discussion or
something.
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