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| Daniel.Flather@gmail.com 2005-11-09, 11:21 pm |
| Hi,
I have looked for answers to my questions, but no go.
1) I'm in the market for a portable genny. The Honda EU2000i
meets my all power needs. What I would like to know is if I would be
able to use the EU2000i to charge a 12v car battery and, at the same
time use the EU2000i to power the block heater in the car
simultaneously. As I see it, charging the battery (12v) is 12v x 8amp
= 96w, the block heater (120v) is 750w for a total of 846w. Well
within the limits of the EU2000i. But, can the genny produce 12v and
120v simultaneously to allow me to do this.
2) All EU2000i and similar model owners, how well does the EU2000i
perform in outside tempatures in the -20c (-4f) to -35c (-31f) or
colder, range? I'll be storing my genny inside the house in the
winter, but will use it outside, running in extream low tempatures.
3) I also will use the genny as backup up for my sump pump and
furnace fan (natural gas heat). Can the EU2000i run in the rain if
need to? Can the EU2000i run 24/7 in -35c (-31f) for a few days
without issue? I own Hondas now (not a genny, ATV / scooter / car),
and they have been VERY good to me.
Thanks for you time.
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| On 9 Nov 2005 18:45:32 -0800, Daniel.Flather@gmail.com wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have looked for answers to my questions, but no go.
>
>1) I'm in the market for a portable genny. The Honda EU2000i
>meets my all power needs. What I would like to know is if I would be
>able to use the EU2000i to charge a 12v car battery and, at the same
>time use the EU2000i to power the block heater in the car
>simultaneously. As I see it, charging the battery (12v) is 12v x 8amp
>= 96w, the block heater (120v) is 750w for a total of 846w. Well
>within the limits of the EU2000i. But, can the genny produce 12v and
>120v simultaneously to allow me to do this.
>
Yes, it will supply both 12Vdc and 120Vac at the same time.
>2) All EU2000i and similar model owners, how well does the EU2000i
>perform in outside tempatures in the -20c (-4f) to -35c (-31f) or
>colder, range? I'll be storing my genny inside the house in the
>winter, but will use it outside, running in extream low tempatures.
>
They run just fine at -10f, maybe need 2 pulls to start instead of 1. If your
plan is to bring it outside and start it right away, should be no problems
at the temp (-31f) you mention. Other than going outside yourself. brrr
Use the proper oil for the temp. Better yet, full synthetic.
>3) I also will use the genny as backup up for my sump pump and
>furnace fan (natural gas heat). Can the EU2000i run in the rain if
>need to? Can the EU2000i run 24/7 in -35c (-31f) for a few days
>without issue? I own Hondas now (not a genny, ATV / scooter / car),
>and they have been VERY good to me.
>
>Thanks for you time.
>
Keep it dry if at all possible. A tarp or plywood canopy above it. Water
is bad for all generators, and not that hard to avoid. Snow is almost
as bad. I seems to turn into water when it hits a warm genset.
At the very least, shut down the generator during gas fill-ups, and
check the oil. I always like to give small gensets an hour or so break
twice a day to cool off and rest. Not sure why, just seems fair.
zero
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| Vaughn 2005-11-10, 8:21 am |
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<Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can the EU2000i run in the rain if
> need to?
The EU2000 is expensive and full of electronics. I would rig some type of
rudimentary shelter to keep the rain off of it. While you are at it, chain it
down. It is so quiet that you may not miss it immediately if someone were to
walk away with it.
You can download the owners manual for free here:
http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/...ges/eu2000i.htm
Vaughn
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| Derek Broughton 2005-11-10, 11:21 am |
| Vaughn wrote:
> <Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1131590732.438552.130670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> The EU2000 is expensive and full of electronics. I would rig some
> type of
> rudimentary shelter to keep the rain off of it. While you are at it,
> chain it
> down. It is so quiet that you may not miss it immediately if someone were
> to walk away with it.
Good advice. If I have to run it in rain, I usually put it just inside the
garage with the door open. I _would_ miss it if someone walked off with it
- while the Outback inverter switches from battery to generator seamlessly,
there's a momentary power outage when the generator shuts off, and my
stereo resets and the lights flicker, but Vaughn's right that you can
fairly easily not notice the sound.
On the advice of someone here, I've connected an hour meter to the DC outlet
(so that I know when to do oil changes), so I know both AC and DC are
active at the same time, but I've never tried to actually charge a car
battery while outputting AC.
--
derek
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| Daniel.Flather@gmail.com 2005-11-10, 1:21 pm |
| HI,
Thanks for the answers. I have thought of the chain and lock thing,
not a cheap unit. imagine, -20c and no power, I'm then only guy with
120ac in the area running his furnace fan, that little genny would be
#1 item for everyone to snag off my deck. Good thing it's not loud
I would pop up a decent shelter for the EU2000i, just wanted to know if
it would take the rain in a real emergency situation.
Thank you.
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| Ulysses 2005-11-10, 4:21 pm |
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<Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> HI,
>
>
> Thanks for the answers. I have thought of the chain and lock thing,
> not a cheap unit. imagine, -20c and no power, I'm then only guy with
> 120ac in the area running his furnace fan, that little genny would be
> #1 item for everyone to snag off my deck. Good thing it's not loud
> I would pop up a decent shelter for the EU2000i, just wanted to know if
> it would take the rain in a real emergency situation.
>
> Thank you.
>
Mine has gotten wet plenty of times. I usually have it under an awning but
sometimes the winds blows rain on it. Dry is better of course.
What hour meter are you using that runs from DC? I have one that is AC but
it presents certain problems on occasion.
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| Vaughn Simon 2005-11-10, 4:21 pm |
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"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> What hour meter are you using that runs from DC? I have one that is AC
> but
> it presents certain problems on occasion.
DC hour meters are cheap and available, often used in commercial
equipment with 12-volt electrical systems. This thread made me look at the
eu2000 circuit diagram. There is a separate DC winding on the generator (6
windings total in that beast!) with a full-wave bridge rectifier that leads
directly out to the DC terminals. So the DC output is actually unregulated
pulsating DC and the open-terminal peak voltage may be quite high. You could
attach a DC hour meter to those terminals, but I would use a tad of
filtering and at least a resistor-zener voltage regulation circuit to
protect the thing.
Vaughn
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| Daniel.Flather@gmail.com 2005-11-10, 7:21 pm |
| One more question. Is it possible to draw 100% of the genny's power
from one AC receptacles? To run my fan (1500w start up) can I use only
one of the receptacles?
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| Daniel.Flather@gmail.com 2005-11-10, 7:21 pm |
| One more question. Is it possible to draw 100% of the genny's power
from one AC receptacle? To run my fan (1500w start up) can I use only
one of the receptacles?
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| Vaughn 2005-11-10, 8:21 pm |
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<Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131664131.717924.190510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> One more question. Is it possible to draw 100% of the genny's power
> from one AC receptacles? To run my fan (1500w start up) can I use only
> one of the receptacles?
Yes. Both of the AC receptacles are fed by the same wire internally.
Vaughn
>
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| Daniel.Flather@gmail.com 2005-11-10, 8:21 pm |
| Thank you.
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| m Ransley 2005-11-10, 9:21 pm |
| Never run it in the rain, build a cover to keep it dry, im sure the
manual covers this. It will do 120 -12v at the same time. Using a
synthetic will just insure the longest motor life, which you want.
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| Daniel.Flather@gmail.com 2005-11-10, 9:21 pm |
| Hey, was just the Honda dealer. Right on the front of the unit it
reads "Keep out of rain and snow", so there we have it. The price was
$1699 Canadian ($1439usd). Might buy mine online, seems it's about
$1000usd online.
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| Vaughn 2005-11-10, 10:21 pm |
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<Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hey, was just the Honda dealer. Right on the front of the unit it
> reads "Keep out of rain and snow", so there we have it. The price was
> $1699 Canadian ($1439usd).
Gasp! Choke! MSRP is only 1079.98. Do Canadian taxes really take that
big a bite? Current price at Sun Electronics in Miami is $950.36.
>Might buy mine online, seems it's about
> $1000usd online.
Yep, I would try that.
Try shopping at the Honda e-store to fid a deal that is closer to home:
http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/gen.asp#
Vaughn
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| Solar Flare 2005-11-10, 10:21 pm |
| Anybody have any URLs for discount Canadian stores? Particularly S. Ontario?
How about Michigan stores or even a Port Hurn zip code?
"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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> <Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1131671721.341971.155870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Gasp! Choke! MSRP is only 1079.98. Do Canadian taxes really take that
> big a bite? Current price at Sun Electronics in Miami is $950.36.
>
>
> Yep, I would try that.
>
> Try shopping at the Honda e-store to fid a deal that is closer to home:
> http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/gen.asp#
>
> Vaughn
>
>
>
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| Vaughn 2005-11-10, 11:21 pm |
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" Solar Flare" <s.flare@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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> Anybody have any URLs for discount Canadian stores? Particularly S. Ontario?
>
> How about Michigan stores or even a Port Hurn zip code?
48061
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| Vaughn 2005-11-10, 11:21 pm |
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"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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> " Solar Flare" <s.flare@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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> 48061
$971 at Grace Performance in Kimball
>
>
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| Solar Flare 2005-11-10, 11:21 pm |
| THANX!
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> "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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Ontario?[color=darkred]
>
> $971 at Grace Performance in Kimball
>
>
>
>
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| Derek Broughton 2005-11-11, 10:21 am |
| Ulysses wrote:
> What hour meter are you using that runs from DC? I have one that is AC
> but it presents certain problems on occasion.
I can't actually find the manufacturer - but it's an amazing device. Runs
on 20-277VAC or 10-277 VDC!
I got it from newarkinone.com (their part number 26H1267). The shipping
document says:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 26H1267 Each/1 1 $40.74 $40.74
Manufacturer Part No: 3311-2000
Customer Part Number:
Description: ELAPSED TIME DISPLAY PANEL COUNTER SUPPLY
VOLTAGE:10-277VDC/20-277VAC; METER FUNCTIONS:HOURMETER; NUMBER OF
DIGITS/ALPHA:6; SIGNAL INPUT TYPE:HOURS AND 1/10THS; DIGIT/ALPHA
HEIGHT:7MM; MOUNTING TYPE:FLUSH, RECTANGLE
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
derek
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| Derek Broughton 2005-11-11, 10:21 am |
| Vaughn Simon wrote:
>
> "Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:11n789gtmjgh0bf@corp.supernews.com...
>
> DC hour meters are cheap and available, often used in commercial
> equipment with 12-volt electrical systems. This thread made me look at
> the
> eu2000 circuit diagram. There is a separate DC winding on the generator
> (6 windings total in that beast!) with a full-wave bridge rectifier that
> leads
> directly out to the DC terminals. So the DC output is actually
> unregulated pulsating DC and the open-terminal peak voltage may be quite
> high. You could attach a DC hour meter to those terminals, but I would use
> a tad of filtering and at least a resistor-zener voltage regulation
> circuit to protect the thing.
How high is "quite"? As I said to Ulysses, it's rated 10-277VDC, so it
would have to be a pretty big spike.
--
derek
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| Ulysses 2005-11-11, 5:21 pm |
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<Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131671721.341971.155870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hey, was just the Honda dealer. Right on the front of the unit it
> reads "Keep out of rain and snow", so there we have it. The price was
> $1699 Canadian ($1439usd). Might buy mine online, seems it's about
> $1000usd online.
>
In my experience it won't be immediately ruined if it gets some rain on it.
The trick is to keep it covered, allow for fresh air intake, allow for the
heat and gases from the exhaust, and still make it easy to put gasoline in
it.
I used plain 'ol Valvoline 10W30 on my first eu2000 and it lasted almost
12,000 hours. If synthetic oil will make it last longer then you may set
some kind of endurance record for small engine life.
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| Ulysses 2005-11-11, 5:21 pm |
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"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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> <Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1131671721.341971.155870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Gasp! Choke! MSRP is only 1079.98. Do Canadian taxes really take
that
> big a bite? Current price at Sun Electronics in Miami is $950.36.
>
>
> Yep, I would try that.
>
> Try shopping at the Honda e-store to fid a deal that is closer to home:
> http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/gen.asp#
>
> Vaughn
>
>
>
I just bought one in California for $895. I'll bet the shipping would not
be more than $50 or so. Is it illegal for you to buy out-of-country or
something?
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| Solar Flare 2005-11-11, 7:21 pm |
| Shipping would be more like $200-300
"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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> that
>
> I just bought one in California for $895. I'll bet the shipping would not
> be more than $50 or so. Is it illegal for you to buy out-of-country or
> something?
>
>
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| Daniel.Flather@gmail.com 2005-11-12, 12:21 pm |
| Seems most products are about the same price from Honda USA or Honda
Canada, but theses gennys are a lot more here for some odd reason.
Shipping a EU2000i with UPS, I could see $100 Canadian. So I might
just drive 60 minutes to the border into MN and pick one up.
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| Vaughn 2005-11-12, 12:21 pm |
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<Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Seems most products are about the same price from Honda USA or Honda
> Canada, but theses gennys are a lot more here for some odd reason.
> Shipping a EU2000i with UPS, I could see $100 Canadian. So I might
> just drive 60 minutes to the border into MN and pick one up.
Just out of curiosity, do you have to pay duty on something like that these
days? ...or did that go away with NAFTA?
Vaughn
>
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| Pete C 2005-11-12, 3:21 pm |
| On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:36:15 -0800, "Ulysses"
<therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
><Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131640634.649244.137880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>Mine has gotten wet plenty of times. I usually have it under an awning but
>sometimes the winds blows rain on it. Dry is better of course.
>
>What hour meter are you using that runs from DC? I have one that is AC but
>it presents certain problems on occasion.
Hi,
Should be easy to make a DC hour meter from an analogue battery alarm
clock, a resistor and a couple of diodes. Maybe another diode for
blocking reverse voltage spikes would be useful.
If you need a circuit diagram for it please say.
cheers,
Pete.
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| Solar Flare 2005-11-12, 7:21 pm |
| There is no duty on most items to Canada from the US.
However, We pay two taxes, GST and PST 7% and 8% and companies like UPS love to
rip you to collect that.
eg: I order a replacement set of beams for my garage door opener from Genie
under lifetime warranty. The shipping was free and the article was free. UPS
picked it up at the border and read the value of the goods at $20 say. The taxes
are $3 Canuck for that price if any should have been charged (NOT!)
Now UPS has to "trust" the customer and is taking a huge risk to carry this
article to your door in the fear you may not paying the taxes anf they could be
out the $3. Called (In bond). They add $25 and GST and PST to their service for
taking this risk so now your bill for the absolutely free package runs at $31.75
from UPS.
Larger prices are prorated for this service. You cannot contest it or send it
back. The package will be destroyed.
UPS (in Canada) has been crooks. Avoid them, crossing the border, at all costs.
Here is another scam:
You send the package via USPS to Canada. When it gets to the border a
hyperactive UPS trucker can grab the package and deliver it to you. If you work
during the day, you have to go to the depot and pick it up yourself or else it
will be returned after two attempts at the same time each day and you pay the
scam fees again.
If the package comes via the mail all the way they charge $5 flat fee for the
same service.
FedEX tells me their shipping (it just went up big time) to Canada now includes
the Broker fees prepaid and has no insurance packaged into the price with no
risk of non-collection.
Yeah, smuggle, smuggle, smuggle into Canuckistan.
"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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> <Daniel.Flather@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1131809184.934176.248240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Just out of curiosity, do you have to pay duty on something like that
these
> days? ...or did that go away with NAFTA?
>
> Vaughn
>
>
>
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| Vaughn 2005-11-12, 8:21 pm |
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" Solar Flare" <s.flare@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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> Yeah, smuggle, smuggle, smuggle into Canuckistan.
Smuggling is an old Canadian tradition. Many family fortunes in Windsor
have their roots in USA prohibition.
Vaughn (a guy who was brought up in Detroit)
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| Derek Broughton 2005-11-13, 10:21 pm |
| Solar Flare wrote:
> UPS (in Canada) has been crooks. Avoid them, crossing the border, at all
> costs.
I agree, but it isn't just UPS. All the courier companies are the same.
FedEx used to be good, but I'm getting the same treatment from them.
> Here is another scam:
> You send the package via USPS to Canada. When it gets to the border a
> hyperactive UPS trucker can grab the package and deliver it to you.
No, they can't. That's interfering with the mails - a crime in both Canada
and the US.
> If the package comes via the mail all the way they charge $5 flat fee for
> the same service.
It went up to $8 in August. I got a package August 8th for $5, and paid $8
two weeks later.
>
> FedEX tells me their shipping (it just went up big time) to Canada now
> includes the Broker fees prepaid and has no insurance packaged into the
> price with no risk of non-collection.
Maybe I'll be willing to try them again, then. I don't mind if I know the
number ahead of time, but so far it's been "whatever we feel like
charging".
--
derek
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| Solar Flare 2005-11-14, 12:21 am |
| Actually they can snatch the package from the mail. They do it and it appears to
be legal.
The USPS has nothing to do with the Canuck mail and the package is up for grabs.
It just "usually" stays with the like service (so I am told)
"Derek Broughton" <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote in message
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> Solar Flare wrote:
>
>
> I agree, but it isn't just UPS. All the courier companies are the same.
> FedEx used to be good, but I'm getting the same treatment from them.
>
>
> No, they can't. That's interfering with the mails - a crime in both Canada
> and the US.
>
>
> It went up to $8 in August. I got a package August 8th for $5, and paid $8
> two weeks later.
>
> Maybe I'll be willing to try them again, then. I don't mind if I know the
> number ahead of time, but so far it's been "whatever we feel like
> charging".
>
> --
> derek
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| Derek Broughton 2005-11-14, 11:21 am |
| Solar Flare wrote:
> The USPS has nothing to do with the Canuck mail
Of course it does. It's called the "Universal Postal Union", dates back to
1874, and requires member countries (including both Canada and the US) to
treat international mail between member countries the same way as they
treat internal mail. Canada Post can have a contract with UPS to _have_
UPS deliver their mail (as they do with Purolator - which they own), but it
still has to be treated the same way as regular mail, which means if they
can't deliver it it has to be left for you at a postal outlet, not a UPS
depot.
--
derek
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| Solar Flare 2005-11-14, 7:21 pm |
| This is not "mail". It is Parcel Post or Parcel Express Post. This may be the
trick mechanism.
They still do it
"Derek Broughton" <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote in message
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> Solar Flare wrote:
>
>
> Of course it does. It's called the "Universal Postal Union", dates back to
> 1874, and requires member countries (including both Canada and the US) to
> treat international mail between member countries the same way as they
> treat internal mail. Canada Post can have a contract with UPS to _have_
> UPS deliver their mail (as they do with Purolator - which they own), but it
> still has to be treated the same way as regular mail, which means if they
> can't deliver it it has to be left for you at a postal outlet, not a UPS
> depot.
> --
> derek
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