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Cheap DIY ideas for exhausting heat in attic?
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| Hello
Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
an attic in a house? I would like to somehow be able to get the heat
to escape faster from the skylights in two attic rooms. The thing is,
I don't want to have a hole in the roof for an extractor fan, and I
can't keep the skylights open very wide because the cat will get on
the roof and probably fall off (30-40ft drop).
I was thinking something along the lines of the Autovent Turbo (see
google) that is available for cars, or a similar modified product for
a skylight. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
Cheers
John
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| pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2005-07-10, 6:25 pm |
| On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:33:29 +0100, John <daffy@duck.com> wrote:
Could you FUCKING bother a few MORE groups with your lame
cheap-assed bullshit ????
quote:
>Hello
>
>Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
>an attic in a house?
Put your wife up there, and stick her XXX out a vent.
Feed her beans. Cheap beans.
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| Anthony Matonak 2005-07-10, 6:25 pm |
| John wrote:
....
quote:
> Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
> an attic in a house? I would like to somehow be able to get the heat
> to escape faster from the skylights in two attic rooms. The thing is,
> I don't want to have a hole in the roof for an extractor fan, and I
> can't keep the skylights open very wide because the cat will get on
> the roof and probably fall off (30-40ft drop).
....
I might suggest one of the many versions of whole house fans adapted
(perhaps simply with a piece of plywood that has a circle cut out) to
fit the skylight. You should be able to open the skylight as wide as
you want as the grills on these fans usually are much too small for
a cat to get through. If the grill isn't that small then you can
always make one yourself out of window screen or welded wire mesh.
Another alternative, if you have a door to the attic, is to cut a large
hole in that door and place the fan there. This will do just about the
same job as the fan in a window, as long as you keep the door closed
while the fan is turned on. Keeping the cat inside should only require
keeping it on the right side the door or, as before, putting up a screen
over your skylight opening.
Anthony
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| Gene S. Berkowitz 2005-07-11, 11:25 pm |
| In article <kut2d15vu5hqcqpcr7mje7vv3bln63f6uf@4ax.com>, daffy@duck.com
says...
quote:
> Hello
>
> Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
> an attic in a house? I would like to somehow be able to get the heat
> to escape faster from the skylights in two attic rooms. The thing is,
> I don't want to have a hole in the roof for an extractor fan, and I
> can't keep the skylights open very wide because the cat will get on
> the roof and probably fall off (30-40ft drop).
>
> I was thinking something along the lines of the Autovent Turbo (see
> google) that is available for cars, or a similar modified product for
> a skylight. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Cheers
>
> John
If your cat is stupid enough to fall off of a roof, you should probably
let it.
--Gene
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| Martin Riddle 2005-07-12, 4:25 am |
| Soffit Vents?
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/kno...,194780,00.html
Cheers
"John" <daffy@duck.com> wrote in message news:kut2d15vu5hqcqpcr7mje7vv3bln63f6uf@4ax.com...
quote:
> Hello
>
> Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
> an attic in a house? I would like to somehow be able to get the heat
> to escape faster from the skylights in two attic rooms. The thing is,
> I don't want to have a hole in the roof for an extractor fan, and I
> can't keep the skylights open very wide because the cat will get on
> the roof and probably fall off (30-40ft drop).
>
> I was thinking something along the lines of the Autovent Turbo (see
> google) that is available for cars, or a similar modified product for
> a skylight. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
>
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| Keith Fish 2005-07-12, 12:25 pm |
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This is what I bought http://www.theledlight.com/solar-fans.html
Even though I use it to vent the attic in the winter, the panel is angled so
it works some in the summer.
Not sure what your cat will think about it.
K
"John" <daffy@duck.com> wrote in message
news:kut2d15vu5hqcqpcr7mje7vv3bln63f6uf@4ax.com...
quote:
> Hello
>
> Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
> an attic in a house? I would like to somehow be able to get the heat
> to escape faster from the skylights in two attic rooms. The thing is,
> I don't want to have a hole in the roof for an extractor fan, and I
> can't keep the skylights open very wide because the cat will get on
> the roof and probably fall off (30-40ft drop).
>
> I was thinking something along the lines of the Autovent Turbo (see
> google) that is available for cars, or a similar modified product for
> a skylight. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
>
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| Kiwi John 2005-07-13, 12:25 pm |
| why dont you have a look at some of the aussie pages over here we use the
revolving self driven vents with like a spinner on the top bloody effective
they are
and cost about 50.00 $au
"John" <daffy@duck.com> wrote in message
news:kut2d15vu5hqcqpcr7mje7vv3bln63f6uf@4ax.com...
quote:
> Hello
>
> Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
> an attic in a house? I would like to somehow be able to get the heat
> to escape faster from the skylights in two attic rooms. The thing is,
> I don't want to have a hole in the roof for an extractor fan, and I
> can't keep the skylights open very wide because the cat will get on
> the roof and probably fall off (30-40ft drop).
>
> I was thinking something along the lines of the Autovent Turbo (see
> google) that is available for cars, or a similar modified product for
> a skylight. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
>
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| Vicki Szaszvari 2005-07-14, 4:25 am |
| Roof turbines, they come standard on houses here. And cheaper than
that at Home Depot and Lowe's.
Kiwi John wrote:
quote:
> why dont you have a look at some of the aussie pages over here we use the
> revolving self driven vents with like a spinner on the top bloody effective
> they are
>
> and cost about 50.00 $au
>
>
> "John" <daffy@duck.com> wrote in message
> news:kut2d15vu5hqcqpcr7mje7vv3bln63f6uf@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-07-14, 12:25 pm |
| I'd vote for gable vents vs roof turbines. No moving parts, no holes in
the roof, and more airflow per square foot on a calm day, when all the
warm air bouyancy makes the air rise, with no energy wasted in making
the air and the turbine twist.
Nick
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| On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:33:01 +1000, A strange species called "Kiwi
John" <therileys@ihug.com.au> wrote:
quote:
>why dont you have a look at some of the aussie pages over here we use the
>revolving self driven vents with like a spinner on the top bloody effective
>they are
>
>and cost about 50.00 $au
G'day mate! please post more info on this. What sites/online aussie
stores should I check out?
Cheers
John
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| Anthony Matonak 2005-07-15, 4:25 am |
| Vicki Szaszvari wrote:
quote:
>
> nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
>
> Can you as easily disable them in the winter?
First, why would you want to? Typically the roof is well vented in the
winter to avoid things like ice dams. That said, since gable vents are
simply big holes in the walls at the ends (gables) of your roof, I
don't see any particular reason why they couldn't have shutters to
block them when not desired.
Anthony
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| Vicki Szaszvari 2005-07-15, 4:25 am |
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Anthony Matonak wrote:
quote:
> Vicki Szaszvari wrote:
>
>
>
> First, why would you want to? Typically the roof is well vented in the
> winter to avoid things like ice dams. That said, since gable vents are
> simply big holes in the walls at the ends (gables) of your roof, I
> don't see any particular reason why they couldn't have shutters to
> block them when not desired.
Because I live in south central Arizona -- you don't necessarily want
air blowing in your attic here in the winter. No such thing as ice dams
where there is no snow! And shutters are a pain in the tuckas.
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-07-15, 12:25 pm |
| Vicki Szaszvari <vickinREMOVE@usa.net> wrote:
quote:
>
>nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
>
> Can you as easily disable them in the winter?
More easily, I'd say. My 600 ft^2 transparent south polycarbonate roof has
2 turbine vents with boxes beneath them with hinged trap doors on pulleys
and ropes to close off the boxes in wintertime. A gable vent could use
a simpler inward-swinging vertical damper, hinged at the top. My gables
are thick stone walls...
Nick
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-07-15, 12:25 pm |
| In article <ldSdnQF2CYPcqUrfRVn-uA@comcast.com>,
Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.comcast.net> wrote:
quote:
>Vicki Szaszvari wrote:
>
>First, why would you want to?
To collect solar heat through your transparent roof. Mine collects about
0.9x250x620 = 140K Btu/h peak, ie 41 kW at $0.023/pW, for PV enthusiasts.
Nick
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| nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca 2005-07-16, 12:25 pm |
| On 14 Jul 2005 23:03:27 EDT, Vicki Szaszvari <vickinREMOVE@usa.net>
wrote:
quote:
>
>
>nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
>
>
> Can you as easily disable them in the winter?
Ridge vents are the simplest to disable assuming you have some "attic"
space. A simple sliding door panel made of anything you like - I like
the foil covered rigid foam insulation board, with foil tape sealing
the edges.
That said, you can do the same with the turbine - and the turbine is
without a doubt more effective, if properly located. On a gable roof,
the most effective installation is right on the ridge on a "cupola" or
"chimney" costructed for the purpose. Make sure you have PLENTY of
soffit vent area open.
On my house I just have 3 of the large sised "pan" type vents on
the1200 square foot main roof, and one on the 250 sq foot attached
garage, with styrofoam "chutes" coming up from the eaves to allow air
to get past the 24" of loose fibreglass insulation. About 20 sqqare
feet of soffit opening, with perforated vinyl covering. Vents stay
open all winter (central Ontario)
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| nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca 2005-07-16, 12:25 pm |
| On 14 Jul 2005 23:57:29 EDT, Vicki Szaszvari <vickinREMOVE@usa.net>
wrote:
quote:
>
>
>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
>
> Because I live in south central Arizona -- you don't necessarily want
>air blowing in your attic here in the winter. No such thing as ice dams
>where there is no snow! And shutters are a pain in the tuckas.
Central Arizona doesn't have the humidity issues we deal with up here
in the "real world" - but winter?? You don't know what winter is!. And
up here, we keep the vents open year round - but the ceiling is VERY
well insulated. The roof is just to keep the rain/snow off and to act
as a sun shade. The "attic" can be down to zero F on a cold
night.(warms up a bit with the sun) and up over 140F on a typical hot
summer day (and yes, we DO know what summer is - something like 21
days in a row over 90F this summer, so far.....
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-07-16, 6:25 pm |
| <clarence at snyder dot on dot ca> wrote:
quote:
>Ridge vents are the simplest to disable assuming you have some "attic"
>space. A simple sliding door panel made of anything you like - I like
>the foil covered rigid foam insulation board, with foil tape sealing
>the edges.
It's simpler to cover a 48'x2" ridge vent than a 2'x4' gable vent?
quote:
>That said, you can do the same with the turbine - and the turbine is
>without a doubt more effective...
I doubt that, on a calm day. I've read turbines slow outgoing airflow,
compared to an open hole, because some of the bouyancy energy goes into
spining the air and the turbine, vs simply moving air up.
Nick
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| Oscar_Lives 2005-07-17, 4:25 am |
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<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
news:dbbet9$kj5@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
quote:
> <clarence at snyder dot on dot ca> wrote:
>
>
> It's simpler to cover a 48'x2" ridge vent than a 2'x4' gable vent?
>
>
> I doubt that, on a calm day. I've read turbines slow outgoing airflow,
> compared to an open hole, because some of the bouyancy energy goes into
> spining the air and the turbine, vs simply moving air up.
>
> Nick
>
That's BS. The inertia takes over and keeps it spinning with little
additional energy. During times of low breezes, the still spinning turbine
pulls a margin of air out of the attic that wouldn't otherwise be removed.
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| meirman 2005-07-17, 4:25 am |
| In alt.hvac on Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:33:29 +0100 John <daffy@duck.com>
posted:
quote:
>Hello
>
>Can anyone recommend any cheapo DIY ideas on how to exhaust heat from
>an attic in a house? I would like to somehow be able to get the heat
>to escape faster from the skylights in two attic rooms. The thing is,
So this is a finished attic? You shouldn't leave that out. Do you
have insulation in the ceiling, below the roof?
What color is your roof? What color do people in Arizona who know
about stuff like this recommend?
quote:
>I don't want to have a hole in the roof for an extractor fan, and I
Once the fan is in place, it's not an open hole anymore. It has a
roof with a screen around the perimeter.
quote:
>can't keep the skylights open very wide because the cat will get on
>the roof and probably fall off (30-40ft drop).
So? If you do a little looking into cats, I think you'll see that
they are likely to die if they fall from above the 11th floor or below
20 feet. 30 to 40 feet is a very good height for them. It gives them
time to right themselves and spread their bodies to lower maximum
velocity, and for impact. It's probably where the 9 Lives got
started.
Search for iirc a study based on data of the New York Animal Hospital.
There is plenty of other stuff, but this one covered tall buildings,
floor by floor. There are more tall residential buildings in NYC than
most places. You know, I think I read it in the paper decades ago,
and I don't know if it is on the net.
quote:
>I was thinking something along the lines of the Autovent Turbo (see
>google)
Why should I see google? If you want to know what I think of it, tell
me how it works.
< that is available for cars, or a similar modified product for
quote:
>a skylight. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
>
>Cheers
>
>John
>
Meirman
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-07-17, 12:25 pm |
| Oscar_Lives <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
quote:
>
>That's BS. The inertia takes over and keeps it spinning with little
>additional energy.
The word you are looking for is momentum, which helps the turbine,
despite its friction, but doesn't help spin the air. That requires
a fan, and fans need power, and that power must come from somewhere,
so open holes move more air than turbines. A chimney can move more
air than an open hole, but that requires more structure. We might
move more air by converting a turbine to a chimney by adding more
pipe and a Chinese hat.
Nick
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| Richard W. 2005-07-17, 6:25 pm |
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<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
news:dbdeju$krh@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
quote:
> Oscar_Lives <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
> The word you are looking for is momentum, which helps the turbine,
> despite its friction, but doesn't help spin the air. That requires
> a fan, and fans need power, and that power must come from somewhere,
> so open holes move more air than turbines. A chimney can move more
> air than an open hole, but that requires more structure. We might
> move more air by converting a turbine to a chimney by adding more
> pipe and a Chinese hat.
>
> Nick
>
I had the impression that the wind on the roof made the turbine spin. Which
caused the turbine spin faster thus pulling more air through the vents.
Richard W.
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| pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2005-07-17, 6:25 pm |
| On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:51:41 -0400, "John P Bengi" <JBengi
(spamm)@(spamm) yahoo,com> wrote:
quote:
>That's correct. The passing wind creates a "moving" venturi and causes more
>suction than would normally be had from a Chinese hatted pipe.
I never actually had that problem when passing wind.
Never tried a Chinese hat up there, either, for that matter
.....
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>"Richard W." <raweich@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Which
>
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-07-17, 6:25 pm |
| Richard W. <raweich@yahoo.com> wrote:
quote:
>I had the impression that the wind on the roof made the turbine spin. Which
>caused the turbine spin faster thus pulling more air through the vents.
That doesn't help on a calm day, when the roof is much hotter.
Nick
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2005-07-17, 11:25 pm |
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> I never actually had that problem when passing wind.
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> Never tried a Chinese hat up there, either, for that matter
Seems you are lacking in intestinal fortitude.
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| pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2005-07-17, 11:25 pm |
| On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:32:38 -0700, ~^Johnny^~
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>
>Seems you are lacking in intestinal fortitude.
Not to mention cultural diversity .....
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2005-07-17, 11:25 pm |
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>Richard W. <raweich@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>That doesn't help on a calm day, when the roof is much hotter.
>
>Nick
Turbo-vents certainly must provide some servo action, even atop
quite a short duct.
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| Vicki Szaszvari 2005-07-17, 11:25 pm |
|
meirman wrote:
quote:
> What color is your roof? What color do people in Arizona who know
> about stuff like this recommend?
I wouldn't include myself as an expert by I can tell you that I can, on
a 115º day, walk barefooted on the portion of my roof that has two coats
of Snow Roof on it. And almost all of the flat roofs that I work on
(HVAC) are coated white. The sun is intense and brutal here; not only
does it keep the attic cooler, but I imagine it extends the life of the
roof. And that Snow Roof does a helluva job of sealing leaks.
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-07-18, 12:25 pm |
| ~^Johnny^~ <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
quote:
>Turbo-vents certainly must provide some servo action, even atop
>quite a short duct.
What do you mean by "servo action"?
Nick
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2005-07-19, 4:25 am |
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>~^Johnny^~ <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
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>What do you mean by "servo action"?
Hot air rises and makes the blades spin.
Spinning blades help pull hot air up.
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| On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:03:29 GMT, pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
quote:
>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:51:41 -0400, "John P Bengi" <JBengi
>(spamm)@(spamm) yahoo,com> wrote:
>
>
> I never actually had that problem when passing wind.
Try Beans
quote:
>
> Never tried a Chinese hat up there, either, for that matter
I prefer a baseball cap .
quote:
>....
>
>
>Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
>http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
>Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
>'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>
>HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
>Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
>Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/
Rick
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| On 17 Jul 2005 16:21:01 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
quote:
>Richard W. <raweich@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>That doesn't help on a calm day, when the roof is much hotter.
>
>Nick
correct. Eat more beans. garrenteed to help break wind
Rick
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| Harry Chickpea 2005-07-19, 6:25 pm |
| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
quote:
>~^Johnny^~ <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>
>
>What do you mean by "servo action"?
>
>Nick
Tom Servo gets laid? Having not ever noticed any obvious male
protuberance in his appearances on TV, I suspect that a short duct is
probably quite adequate for poor Tom.
IME, other than the fun spinny thing on the roof geek factor, the
primary benefit of the "turbine" is that it keeps most of the rain
water out of the attic, while still allowing ventilation from a large
hole near the roof peak. Most other types of baffling that would
prevent driving rains from coming through such a hole would also slow
or disrupt the airflow.
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| nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca 2005-08-01, 2:21 am |
| On 16 Jul 2005 13:07:53 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
><clarence at snyder dot on dot ca> wrote:
>
>
>It's simpler to cover a 48'x2" ridge vent than a 2'x4' gable vent?
I meant gable vent - sorry
>
>
>I doubt that, on a calm day. I've read turbines slow outgoing airflow,
>compared to an open hole, because some of the bouyancy energy goes into
>spining the air and the turbine, vs simply moving air up.
We seldome have a totally calm day, and the restriction even on a calm
day is minimal.
>
>Nick
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| nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca 2005-08-01, 2:21 am |
| On 17 Jul 2005 16:21:01 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>Richard W. <raweich@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>That doesn't help on a calm day, when the roof is much hotter.
>
>Nick
What I know of roof turbines is from direct experience where the
turbines allowed enough airflow even on the stillest days that you
could feel a breeze in the building where an open vent was mostly
in-effective.
African application as well as local north american.
I do NOT have them on my house, as they tend to get noisy with time
and my current roof venting appears to be adequate. Awfull tempted to
put one on my shed as the 15X15 attic gets unbearable with only 8 feet
of ridge vent.
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-08-01, 5:21 am |
| <clarence at snyder dot on dot ca> wrote:
>
>We seldom have a totally calm day...
Then again, that's when you need attic venting. Wind cools sunny roofs.
Nick
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| Jim Baber 2005-08-01, 5:21 am |
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<pre wrap="">On 17 Jul 2005 16:21:01 -0400, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu">nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu</a> wrote:
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<pre wrap=""> had the impression that the wind on the roof made the turbine spin. Which
caused the turbine spin faster thus pulling more air through the vents.
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<pre wrap="">That doesn't help on a calm day, when the roof is much hotter.
Nick
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<pre wrap=""><!---->What I know of roof turbines is from direct experience where the
turbines allowed enough airflow even on the stillest days that you
could feel a breeze in the building where an open vent was mostly
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<big><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Jim Baber has another
good reason for using a turbine:<br>
<br>
On a still but hot day, my turbines (2) do spin, but not very
vigorously. 3 weeks ago I was outside and was surprised to notice my
next door neighbor's turbines spinning a lot faster than mine. I was
curious, and asked him over the fence if he had installed a fan in his
attic to help cool it off, He had not, so I suggested that he might
have a major leak in his air conditioning duct work. <br>
<br>
He did, a 8" duct joint had separated by about 4.5", so whenever
the A/C blower came on his turbines spun very fast. The two duct
pieces still generally pointed at each other but the duct tape had come
off and whatever idiot that had installed the A/C had not screwed <u><b>any</b></u>
of the ductwork together. He ended up spending the better part of his
weekend in the 145 degree attic reinstalling ductwork properly with
screws as well as new tape everywhere.<br>
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<pre wrap="">African application as well as local north american.
I do NOT have them on my house, as they tend to get noisy with time
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| nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca 2005-08-02, 4:21 pm |
| On 1 Aug 2005 03:16:56 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
><clarence at snyder dot on dot ca> wrote:
>
>
>Then again, that's when you need attic venting. Wind cools sunny roofs.
>
>Nick
2-5 kph breeze does little to cool a roof, bur keeps the turbine
spinning
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2005-08-02, 4:21 pm |
| <clarence at snyder dot on dot ca> wrote:
>2-5 kph breeze does little to cool a roof...
It almost doubles the roof's thermal conductance to surrounding air,
at U = 2+ V/2 Btu/h-F-ft^2, with V in mph...
Nick
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| tomhila@hotmail.com 2005-08-06, 3:21 pm |
| Hello John.
I hope you found a good solution to your attic heat problem.
Minimizing temperature in that space is advantageous to the structure,
as well as to family economics. To the latter, the worthwhile pursuit
of the most cost-effective solution.
>From necessity and intellectual curiosity new products and improved
methods are born. These things are apparent to the cerebral.
>From folks completely vacuous that gift, Paul has demonstrated. I
regret that you were treated that way for simply asking a question.
In conclusion, your problem will be solved and life will be all the
more pleasant for you. Paul, on the other hand, will continue his
bitter travels.
Paul, you could improve, if you choose. Try building building the
self-esteem of others, versus attempting to harm it. It's consistent
with Christ's teachings that we should treat others the way we would
wish to be treated.
Remember that external behavior is eventually internalized. Be sure
that your life will remain bitter until you change the way you treat
others. It starts by thinking, and then applying some positive
changes. Ask God to help you along the way. He will if you are
sincere.
Tom
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| pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2005-08-06, 4:21 pm |
| On 6 Aug 2005 10:41:56 -0700, tomhila@hotmail.com wrote:
>Hello John.
>
>I hope you found a good solution to your attic heat problem.
>Minimizing temperature in that space is advantageous to the structure,
>as well as to family economics. To the latter, the worthwhile pursuit
>of the most cost-effective solution.
>
>methods are born. These things are apparent to the cerebral.
>
>regret that you were treated that way for simply asking a question.
>
>In conclusion, your problem will be solved and life will be all the
>more pleasant for you. Paul, on the other hand, will continue his
>bitter travels.
Fuck off.
>
>Paul, you could improve, if you choose. Try building building the
>self-esteem of others, versus attempting to harm it. It's consistent
>with Christ's teachings that we should treat others the way we would
>wish to be treated.
No my yob, mon. Not the least fucking bit interested in your
religious delusions, either.
>
>Remember that external behavior is eventually internalized. Be sure
>that your life will remain bitter until you change the way you treat
>others. It starts by thinking, and then applying some positive
>changes. Ask God to help you along the way. He will if you are
>sincere.
Go fuck yourself sincerely.
>
>Tom
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| tomhila@hotmail.com 2005-08-06, 10:21 pm |
| Saul, I happened by this forum while looking for information presented
by the topic.
It appears you live here, seemingly oblivious that even low creatures
refrain from soiling their nests.
Your vocabulary begs for words as desperately as you long for someone
to talk to, as evidenced by your provocation. "Fetid" and "feculent"
may provide relief, but I submit that your anti-social behavior is the
reason you count few friends, and that you glom on to this otherwise
valuable medium to cast dispersions and spew the bile of your heart.
You may not have put it there, Paul, but you can rid yourself of it.
You needn't broadcast that you aren't interested in God's tender
mercies. Your comments are rife with the effects of a life that
rejects Him. Just stop for a moment and don't worry about a quip.
Think.
Unlike me, God will be there to hear your next words. Just pause and
think. Don't waste them.
Wishing you a better life,
Your brother
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| tomhila@hotmail.com 2005-08-06, 10:21 pm |
| Saul, I happened by this forum while looking for information presented
by the topic.
It appears you live here, seemingly oblivious that even low creatures
refrain from soiling their nests.
Your vocabulary begs for words as desperately as you long for someone
to talk to, as evidenced by your provocation. "Fetid" and "feculent"
may provide relief, but I submit that your anti-social behavior is the
reason you count few friends, and that you glom on to this otherwise
valuable medium to cast dispersions and spew the bile of your heart.
You may not have put it there, Paul, but you can rid yourself of it.
You needn't broadcast that you aren't interested in God's tender
mercies. Your comments are rife with the effects of a life that
rejects Him. Just stop for a moment and don't worry about a quip.
Think.
Unlike me, God will be there to hear your next words. Just pause and
think. Don't waste them.
Wishing you a better life,
Your brother
| |
| pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2005-08-06, 10:21 pm |
| How's about fuck off, jesus-freak ?
On 6 Aug 2005 17:47:38 -0700, tomhila@hotmail.com wrote:
>Saul, I happened by this forum while looking for information presented
>by the topic.
>
>It appears you live here, seemingly oblivious that even low creatures
>refrain from soiling their nests.
>
>Your vocabulary begs for words as desperately as you long for someone
>to talk to, as evidenced by your provocation. "Fetid" and "feculent"
>may provide relief, but I submit that your anti-social behavior is the
>reason you count few friends, and that you glom on to this otherwise
>valuable medium to cast dispersions and spew the bile of your heart.
>You may not have put it there, Paul, but you can rid yourself of it.
>
>You needn't broadcast that you aren't interested in God's tender
>mercies. Your comments are rife with the effects of a life that
>rejects Him. Just stop for a moment and don't worry about a quip.
>Think.
>
>Unlike me, God will be there to hear your next words. Just pause and
>think. Don't waste them.
>
>Wishing you a better life,
>
>Your brother
You ain't my brother, XXXXXXX.
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| |
| nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca 2005-08-07, 12:21 am |
| On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:01:32 GMT, pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On 6 Aug 2005 10:41:56 -0700, tomhila@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Fuck off.
>
> No my yob, mon. Not the least fucking bit interested in your
>religious delusions, either.
>
And the rest of us are not interested in hearing your extremist
anti-Christian bile. Keep your language and tone CIVIL.
Christian or not, there is NO reason for fowl language and hatefull
sentiment on a public forum.
Grow up.
| |
| Abby Normal 2005-08-07, 1:21 am |
| Venting attics is a northern climate requirement.
In a southern hot humid environment, power vented attics run the risk
of making the home negative. This can cause all kinds of unwanted
infiltration of humid air and create condensation problems in the
cooling season.
I like the Icynene (sp) approach of insultating the roof pitch and
sealing the roof to the walls and not venting the attic at all.
Anthony Matonak wrote:
> Vicki Szaszvari wrote:
>
> First, why would you want to? Typically the roof is well vented in the
> winter to avoid things like ice dams. That said, since gable vents are
> simply big holes in the walls at the ends (gables) of your roof, I
> don't see any particular reason why they couldn't have shutters to
> block them when not desired.
>
> Anthony
| |
| PrecisionMachinisT 2005-08-07, 2:21 am |
|
<tomhila@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123375658.450045.234920@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> You needn't broadcast that you aren't interested in God's tender
> mercies.
>
Just as you needn't broadcast that you are....
--
SVL
| |
| pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2005-08-07, 3:21 am |
| On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:15:09 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
<precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
><tomhila@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1123375658.450045.234920@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
'Tender' mercies ?
Read the Bible.
Sodom and Gomarah might be a starting point - or Noah and the
flood - or the flight from Egypt - or Revelations - or what he lined
up for his own Son. The list goes on and on.
'Tender' my XXX.
[color=darkred]
>
>Just as you needn't broadcast that you are....
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| |
| PrecisionMachinisT 2005-08-07, 3:21 am |
|
<tomhila@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123350116.218816.146670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Paul, you could improve, if you choose. Try building building the
> self-esteem of others, versus attempting to harm it. It's consistent
> with Christ's teachings that we should treat others the way we would
> wish to be treated.
>
> Remember that external behavior is eventually internalized. Be sure
> that your life will remain bitter until you change the way you treat
> others. It starts by thinking, and then applying some positive
> changes. Ask God to help you along the way. He will if you are
> sincere.
>
1. Explain why your God's only son had to be sacrificed so we can go to
magic happy land when we die.
2. Did everyone who died before Jesus died go to Hell? Justify your answer.
3. If a Catholic, justify the Inquisition and other persecutions of
"heretics" throughout the centuries, concentrating on why the Pelagianists,
the Priscillianists, and the Manichaeans were persecuted; if a Protestant,
justify the witch trials and the way that Protestants constantly hunted down
native Americans until there were so few that the government could simply
take their land; if a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, justify the
persecutions of the Old Believers after the reforms of the seventeenth
century.
4. Explain why I should believe that your God is all-good when the only real
information we have about him is the Bible, which clearly describes Him as
both good and evil. (See Isaiah 30:27-33, Luke 14:26, Numbers31:17-18,
Matthew 10:34, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 20:16,Exodus 20:5, Exodus 32:27, Isaiah
45:7, Psalms 52:5, Luke 22:36, and Jeremiah18:11 for a small sample of
Biblical passages which describe God as having an evil morality at times).
5. Explain why, when racism is clearly wrong, Jesus was clearly a racist
(see Matthew 15:21-28). NOTE: under no circumstances will I believe the idea
that racism is morally acceptable.
6. Explain why, when discrimination against women is clearly wrong, the
Bible clearly supports the oppression of women. Answering this question
entails refuting 1 Cor 11 and 1 Tim 2:11-15. NOTE: under no circumstances
will I believe that discrimination against women solely on the basis of sex
is morally acceptable.
7. Explain why, when slavery is clearly wrong, the Bible clearly supports
slavery. Answering this question entails refuting 1 Peter2:18. NOTE: under
no circumstances will I believe that slavery is an acceptable way to run a
society.
8. Explain why, if your god loves us all, more than half of us are going to
Hell after we die. Specifically, refute or explain the following words of
Christ, as presented in the New Testament: "Many are called but few are
chosen," and "Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth unto
salvation, and few there be that find it." If your god loves all of us,
couldn't he find a better way?
9. Explain what type of offense could possibly justify eternal, unbearable
torture in Hell; if you do not believe in Hell,then refute every passage in
the Old and New Testaments which describes Hell (such as 2 Thessalonians
1:8-9 and Revelation 20:15).
10. Explain how your god can be both just and merciful,when these terms
apparently contradict each other.
11. Explain why possession by demons and/or other evil spirits was common
during the time of Jesus, but hardly mentioned in the Old Testament, and
apparently has been explained completely away today by things such as
epilepsy and schizophrenia.
12. If Heaven is a place where everyone is perfectly happy,then explain how
I could be happy in Heaven if I had loved ones in Hell.
13. What is Heaven like?
14. What is Hell like?
15. Explain why original sin exists. Why should I be eternally tortured for
something that a pair of naked fruit-munching simpletons did in a garden
over six thousand years ago? If you believe that children are born stained
because they were conceived sexually, explain why I would be punished for
something my parents did by your merciful and just God. If this does not
apply to you, explain why.
16. Explain why getting dunked in or sprinkled with water will prevent me
from being eternally tortured for the actions of the nakedfruit-munching
simpletons mentioned in #15.
17a. If your God did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge
of Good and Evil, why did he put the tree in the garden of Eden (and at the
center, no less)? Was it for shade? If the purpose of the tree was to tempt
Adam and Eve, explain why the temptation was necessary. If God knows all,
then He already knew they would not be able to resist the temptation. So
what was the point?
17b. Explain why your God created humans as imperfect, then set his
standards so high that no one could possibly live up to them, then punishes
us for not living up to his standards.
18. Explain why sex, potentially one of the most wonderful, beautiful things
in human nature, is considered "bad" by your particular denomination. If
your denomination does not consider sex to be "bad,"then refute Matthew
19:12, 1 Corinthians 7 (particularly verses 1 and 9),Galatians 5:17, 1
Thessalonians 4:3, James 1:14-15, Matthew 5:27-31, Luke17:27, and Revelation
14:4.
19. Explain why, if Jesus was perfect, he thought that the end of the world
was coming soon, when it has clearly not come yet.See Matthew 16:27-28.
20. Explain why some people (James, Peter, Paul, Thomas,etc.) should get
convincing physical proof of miracles, while the rest of us are supposed to
take these happenings on faith.
21. Why are the stories of the resurrection inconsistent?
22. If you are a Protestant or a member of an Eastern Orthodox church,
explain why you are still using the Catholic Bible, which was formalized by
a vote among (supposedly divinely inspired) cardinals and bishops in the
fourth century CE, when you disagree with the idea that the Pope, who is
higher in the Catholic hierarchy, is divinely inspired;if a Catholic,
explain why your church accepts the canonical Bible while rejecting the
Apocrypha (do not use the "divinely inspired" argument:Because I am not
religious, I will not be able to accept it).
23. If your God wants us to worship him through our own free will, why does
he threaten us with Hell? If you have someone threatening you with a
punishment, it isn't free will.
24. Why would your God deliberately cause sinners to sin(cf. Romans 9:15-23
and numerous parts of the book of Exodus where God says, "I will harden
Pharaoh's heart."). Are these sinners still responsible for the sins which
your god forces them, against their will, to commit? Justify your answer.
25. Why should we accept the words of the gospel writers as truth when they
are known to be liars? (See Romans 3:7).
26. Explain why prayer is OK, but spell casting is not, when both amount to
the same thing: requesting that a superior supernatural force to intercede
in a way that would be impossible according to the normally accepted laws of
physics.
27. According to the Gospels, from the Christian standpoint, Jesus was the
most important person to ever live. From the Roman standpoint, Jesus was a
huge pain in the butt because of his political activities. Explain why
nothing was written about his life for over thirty years after his death,
and nothing except the Gospels was written until the third century CE.
28. Explain why you believe a person whose life is so poorly documented (see
#27) was even ever born.
29. In light of Matthew 10:34, explain why Jesus is called the Prince of
Peace.
30. The name "Jesus" has been anglicized. What was the original (Hebrew)
name of Jesus? Where did you get this information? This is a bonus question.
31. Why is it that the life of Jesus was so similar to the lives of pagan
Christs, particularly Herakles, Dionysios, and Asklepios?
32. If your God requires that people believe in him and follow his orders
through their own free will, why do Christians push their views on public
policy?
33. Explain why being a good Christian requires you to push your beliefs on
others. If you do not believe that you have to push your views on others (no
matter how much this annoys them), explain why you do not believe this
despite the fact that the New Testament seems to suggest that you must do
this to get to Heaven (for instance, in Matthew 28:19-20).
34. Explain why spreading the "truth of Christ" requires you to spread lies
about other religions, such as the idea that Wiccans (so-called "white
witches") worship the Christian devil. (Incidentally, they don't, and this
rumor has been persistently spread by Christians since the second century
CE).
35. At no point in the four Gospels did Jesus claim to be the son of your
God. (He said "son of man" quite frequently,and at one point referred to
himself as "a son of god," but that was a common Hebrew expression at the
time. Someone who was "a son of god" was a Jew. This reflected the
Israelites' belief that theywere the chosen people of your God. See Job
1:6). Why, then, do you believe that Jesus was divine? If you don't believe
that Jesus was divine, then why do you call yourself a Christian?
36. Given the fact that Jesus did not say anything original(the Golden Rule
and the "turn the other cheek" idea were stolen from Buddhism; and the
Beatitudes were common in the Jewish devotional literature at the time), why
do you see Jesus as such a great thinker/philosopher/ ethicist?
37. When Jesus said, "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy
right cheek, turn to him the other also,"why do you suppose that most
Christians fight for their rights? To put it another way, why don't we, as a
country of 85% Christians, let the government abuse us?
38. Why are so many Christian holidays on the same day as Pagan holidays?
Couldn't the early Church fathers have converted pagans only by appealing to
their reason and/or faith if Christianity is the true religion?
39. Do you believe that the Old Testament should be accepted as part of
Christian theology? If so, explain how you can worship such a cruel,
sadistic being (see Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 20:16, Proverbs20:30, Amos
3:6, Deuteronomy 13:8, Psalms 3:7, Psalms 52:5, etc.); if not,explain how
you can believe that Jesus is the promised savior sent by your God without
the messianic prophecies and the ruling rights of the line of David, both of
which are in the Old Testament in books such as Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel,
Psalms, etc. (as opposed to, say, believing that Jesus was an irritating nut
wandering around saying things that people didn't like much).
40. Explain why your "just and merciful" God sent bears to kill forty-two
children who called his prophet Elisha "baldhead."(See 2 Kings 2:23-24).
41. If prostitution is wrong, why are there so many examples of it in
Genesis? (For instance, Gen 19:8, where Lot offers his daughters to a mob so
that his guests can avoid gang rape).
42. What is the sin that people committed that is so incredibly bad that
your God had to become flesh and die to correct?
43. Are all members of other faiths bad? Are they all damned to Hell?
Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.
44. Are all atheists/agnostics/humanists bad? Are they all damned to Hell?
Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.
45. What was your motive in proselytizing to me?
46. Where is Heaven?
47. Where is Hell?
48. Why don't animals go to heaven or hell when they die? What makes us so
special?
49. Why does Satan try to get peoples' souls?
50. Once Satan has someone's soul, what does he do with it?
51. Is your God perfect? Justify your answer.
52. Where does our soul stay while we are alive?
53. Why do evil people often prosper? Justify your answer.
54. Why do good people so often fail to prosper? Justify your answer.
55. When the end of the world comes, will your God raise our actual bodies,
or just our souls? Explain.
56. Explain why your god lets airplanes with sinless infants on board crash.
57. What is sin, exactly?
58. If Jesus is perfect, justify the parable of the fig tree (Matthew
21:17-19, Mark 11:14-20).
59. Explain why Christians harass Wiccans ("whitewitches")when the central
rule of the Wiccan ethical system is "an it harm no one, do what thou wilt."
60. Explain why Christians (yes, that includes all branches of Christianity)
have spread the lie that Jews put Jesus to death when, in actuality, it was
the Romans who put Jesus to death. (For a good example of New Testament
anti-semetism, see 1 Thessalonians 2:15).
61. If we are created in your god's image and likeness(Gen 1:27), how can we
also be imperfect?
62. Why was it OK for the ancient Israelites to sacrifice animals to their
god, while it is wrong for modern religions to sacrifice animals to their
gods? Justify your answer.
63. Why is it ok for modern day Christians to eat "unclean meat".
64. Why would your God confuse people? (See 1 Sam 7:10and Gen 11:9). Isn't
life confusing enough already?
65. Why would your God cause blindness, deafness, and dumbness? (See Ex
4:11)
66. Why would your God want to damn people by making them believe false
things? (See 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).
67. Should the book of Revelation be taken literally? Explain your answer.
68. Would it be good for men to castrate themselves? Justify your answer,
taking Matthew 19:12 into account.
69. What exactly is faith?
70. All of the various Christian denominations ignore parts ofthe Bible,
usually because those parts of the Bible are inconvenient. Explain which
parts of the Bible your sect ignores, and explain why it is OK to ignore
those parts of the Bible.
71. Why did your god allow Satan to do evil things to Job (Job 2:7 etc.)?
Wouldn't your god better spend his time punishing unbelievers?
72. If Jesus and his father are one (John 10:30), then why does Jesus have
to pray (i.e. Matthew 26:39)?
73. Explain your belief in heaven in light of Job 7:9 and Ecclesiastes 9:5.
74. Christ giving himself up on the cross was a great gesture, true, but
wouldn't it have been more sensible for him to continue spreading his
message until he died a natural death? Answer this question in light of your
answer to question #1.
75. What is your interpretation of the temptation of Christ by Satan in the
desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9)?
76. In view of Matthew 6:5-6, shouldn't prayer in public schools be
discouraged? Support your answer with scripture quotes.
77. Do you feel that the last words of Christ were significant? If so, why
do the four gospels attribute three different sentences to Christ as his
last? (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34: "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken
me?"; Luke 23:46: "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit"; John 19:30:
"It is finished").
78. Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew,
"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as,
"My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate
translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the
name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the
moment of his death?
79. A commonly recited litany in many forms of Christianity is "The LORD is
my shepherd." (Psalm 23:1). Given the fact that the only reasons that people
raise sheep are to rob them of their clothes and to kill them for meat, and
the fact that sheep will often follow the shepherd to their destruction, do
you think that this is any appropriate image for your God? Justify your
answer.
80. Why is the theory of the big bang any more (or less)likely that the idea
that your God created the universe? Justify your answer. NOTE: I admit that
science has not explained where the original super condensed particle came
from, but no one has ever explained where your God came from, either.
81. If your God is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of
(or separation from) your God, how can he be omnipotent?
82. In the Genesis story, your God tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat
from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen2:17). The devil tells
them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they
would know the difference between good and evil(Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan
telling the truth here? Is your God a liar? Justify your answer in light of
Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.
83. If Lucifer is not as powerful as your God, then he cannot possibly be
omnipresent. How could he possibly get as many followers as you seem to
think he has?
84. The Bible constantly describes your God as male. In view of the fact
that your God supposedly created everything, and creation is very much a
female function, isn't this at least a little bit absurd? Justify your
answer.
85. In light of the Trinity, angels, the Virgin Mary, etc., isn't
Christianity polytheistic? If the Trinity is three who are one, why the
three names? Justify your answer.
86. Have you read the entire Bible? If not, how can you be devoted enough to
try and convert me to a religion that you don't know that much about? Isn't
knowing as much as possible about something necessary to understanding it?
Isn't understanding something necessary to being completely devoted to it?
87. Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
88. Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more
than half of humanity is going to spend eternity there(see question #8)?
89. If your church considers the King James Bible to be the official and/or
authoritative translation, justify this in light of the fact that King James
commissioned his translation to be poetic rather than accurate. How can you
possibly use an inaccurate translation as your reference for what is/is not
the word of your God? If your church does not use the King James Bible, what
translation do they use? Justify the use of that particular translation.
90. Assume that I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins, or that if he
did, that necessarily means I will go to your heaven. Name one thing that
Jesus ever did for me personally.
91. Before Mary was knocked up by the Holy Spirit/Ghost,she was never asked
for her consent. (She was warned; see Luke 1:31). Mary was also asleep when
your God knocked her up; this strongly suggests that He didn't want her to
protest. Does this mean that Mary was raped by your God? Do you think rape
is wrong? Explain.
92. If it was foretold that Jesus was to be crucified,and if he knew this,
and if he was the son of your god, why did he do everything he could to
avoid being crucified? (See, for instance, Matthew 26:39).
93. If the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the father of Jesus (Luke1:35), then why is
the central figure of your trinity called God the Father?
94. Mary and God were never joined in wedlock. Does it bother you that Jesus
is technically a bastard?
95. The original Hebrew word for the Holy Ghost/Spirit includes the idea
that the Holy Spirit/Ghost is female in gender. Isn't this rather silly when
you consider the fact that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is actually the father of
Jesus (Luke 1:35)?
96. Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews
and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the body
of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or Romans
would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an
outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention it?
Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble?
97. Jews believe that people are basically good people and can work to
overcome their sinful tendencies. Most Christians,following the teaching of
Psalm 51:5, 1 Kings 8:46, Ezekiel 18:4, Isaiah59:2, and Psalm 143:2, believe
that people are completely debased and hopelessly lost in sin, and that only
your God can lift us out of this state if He decides to bestow His gift of
grace on us? Isn't this an incredibly negative view of people? Isn't Judaism
a more mature faith just for this reason?
93. How do you, as an individual, feel about Psalm 51:5?
98. What does your denomination teach about Psalm 51:5 (and 1Kings 8:46,
etc.), predestination, and similar matters?
99. Don't you think that the idea that no matter what we do, we can never be
good and righteous without help from your God (Isaiah64:6) fosters an
unnatural and unhealthy dependency on Him?
100. Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was
not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus
wasn't the son of your God at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of
Joseph?
101. What would the correct thing to do be if your God gave you a command
that was harmful and/or destructive to you? A common argument, which comes
from Paul, states that because clay pots don't complain about what the
potter does with them, people shouldn't complain about what their maker
(supposedly, your God) does with them, but this completely ignores the
vitally important argument that clay pots have no sense of self-awareness
and cannot think or feel love, pain, anger, etc. If you want to make this
argument, you have to deal with this difference.
102. What (or who) do believe the number 666 represents? Justify your
answer.
103. If your God is "just and merciful," why would He take Solomon's kingdom
away from Solomon's son while not punishing Solomon, when it was Solomon
himself who committed the sin of idolatry? What did Solomon's son do to
deserve punishment? (See 1 Kings 11:12).
104. Why is Solomon commonly considered to be the paragon of wisdom by many
Christians, when he constantly sinned against your God(1 Kings 11:4-10,
etc.)? Personally, if I had a God talking to me, I'd do what he said.
105. Don't you think that an anti-sex position (see question#18) is a rather
silly position for your denomination to take when the biblical book "Song of
Solomon" is a piece of erotic poetry? (For instance,in Song of Solomon 8:2,
the bridegroom proposes to "drink of spiced wine of the juice of the
pomegranate." The pomegranate was a symbol of the female genitalia, and the
"spiced wine" represented menstrual blood).
106. Does it bother you that the cross, supposedly a Christian symbol, was
actually stolen from the Egyptians? Why or why not? (The Egyptian cross, the
ankh, was a male-female symbol similar in concept to the yin-yang.When the
Christians stole the ankh from the Egyptians, they removed the female
symbol, or yoni, leaving only the masculine symbol-- a subtle way of
reinforcing the idea that women are lesser beings).
107. What is the incredibly important doctrinal difference that requires the
fighting between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland?
108. Even if your God did create the universe, why does He want to be
worshipped? Is your God an egomaniac?
109. What are your beliefs concerning Wicca? ("whitewitchcraft"). How much
do you know about Wicca?
110. What do you think the word "Satanist" means?
111. How do you explain the fact that the word "blood" occurs over 400 times
in the Bible? Isn't this a rather savage way to write a book that is
supposed to be at the center of an ethical system?
112. Throughout the Bible, your God commands His followers to wage merciless
war on unbelievers (Luke 22:36, Deuteronomy 13:8, Exodus20:23-25,
Deuteronomy 20:16, Matthew 10:34, Numbers 31:17-18, etc). If you are one of
His followers, why aren't you out waging merciless war on unbelievers?
113. Numbers 23:21 says that your God "has not seen wickedness in Israel."
If this is so, explain why your God burned Israelites for complaining (Num
11:1), sent a plague against them for eating the meat He had given them (Num
11:33), why He burned people for using incense (Num 16:35), why He sent a
plague against the Israelites who accused Moses of wrongdoing (Num
16:44-49), and why He sent fiery snakes among the Israelites (Num 21:5). Is
your God a liar, or was it just more convenient for Him to lie at that
particular place and time, or what?
114. What was it that was so bad about eating an apple that death had to
result from that act?
115. What was it about humanity's torturing and killing of your God's only
son that made your God so happy that He again promised eternal life to
everyone who believed in Him.
116. How do you explain that Matthew and Luke give different genealogies for
Jesus?
117. Matthew says that the prophecy given in Matthew 27:9 was given by
Jeremiah. How do you explain that this prophecy was not given by Jeremiah at
all, but by Zechariah (in Zech 11:12)?
118. Matthew says (in Matt 2:23) that Jesus dealt in Nazareth so that he
could fulfill a prophecy stating that the Messiah would be calleda Nazarene.
Where is this prophecy in the Old Testament?
119. Matthew says that on the triumphant entry into Jerusalem, Jesus was
riding on an XXX and a colt (Matt 21:7). How do you explain that the
original prophecy (Zech 9:9) stated that Jesus would be riding on only one
XXX, and the other gospel writers place Jesus only on one XXX (Mark11:7,
Luke 19:35, and John 12:15)?
120. In Matthew 1:23, Matthew has the angel say that Jesus would be born of
a virgin. However, the prophecy that Matthew is referring to, Isaiah 7:14,
uses the Hebrew word almah, which simply means a young woman. It has nothing
to do with sexual purity; the Hebrew word for virgin is bethulah. How do you
explain this?
121. Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of
maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Where is the
fulfillment of this prophecy in the New Testament?
122. Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus would be called Immanuel,which means "God
with us." Why does no one (not even his parents) call him Immanuel at any
point in the New Testament?
123. How many inconsistencies in the Bible, other than those mentioned in
this paper, do you know of? Cite chapter and verse for as many as you have
room for.
124. If even the contemplation of sinning is a sin (i.e."sinning in your
heart"; see, for example, Matthew 5:28) and if Jesus was tempted by Satan in
the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9),how can you say that Jesus was
without sin?
125. Do you believe that the existence of your God can be established
through a formal proof? Why or why not?
126. Pick a famous argument for the existence of your God, then criticize
that argument. (Assume I mean for you to use the academic definition of
criticize).
127. Pick an argument against the existence of your God.If it is not a
famous argument, copy it down here. Criticize this argument.(Assume I mean
for you to use the academic definition of the word criticize).
128. What does your denomination think of the government? Read Paul's letter
to the Romans, chapter 13. Now what do you think of the government? If
necessary, reconcile the two views.
129. What is your definition of the word Christian?
130. Why do you think it is that the ancient Greeks, who had a very liberal
sexual morality, had many fewer sex crimes (compared to the population) than
the United States, which is 85% Christian?
131. If someone accepts Jesus, and is "saved,"but then turns away from
Jesus, is that person still saved?
132. Where did your God come from?
133. What are the requirements for being saved? Some say that faith alone is
enough; others say that faith without works is dead. The Bible supports both
these viewpoints. What does your denomination think?
134. If I decide I like the answers to the above questions, where can I get
in touch with you? (Give name and email if available).
135. What is the name of your denomination?
136. How is your denomination organized?
137. How can I get in touch with a priest (minister, etc.)of your
denomination?
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>
>
> 1. Explain why your God's only son had to be sacrificed so we can go to
> magic happy land when we die.
>
>
> 2. Did everyone who died before Jesus died go to Hell? Justify your
answer.
>
>
> 3. If a Catholic, justify the Inquisition and other persecutions of
> "heretics" throughout the centuries, concentrating on why the
Pelagianists,
> the Priscillianists, and the Manichaeans were persecuted; if a Protestant,
> justify the witch trials and the way that Protestants constantly hunted
down
> native Americans until there were so few that the government could simply
> take their land; if a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, justify the
> persecutions of the Old Believers after the reforms of the seventeenth
> century.
>
>
> 4. Explain why I should believe that your God is all-good when the only
real
> information we have about him is the Bible, which clearly describes Him as
> both good and evil. (See Isaiah 30:27-33, Luke 14:26, Numbers31:17-18,
> Matthew 10:34, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 20:16,Exodus 20:5, Exodus 32:27,
Isaiah
> 45:7, Psalms 52:5, Luke 22:36, and Jeremiah18:11 for a small sample of
> Biblical passages which describe God as having an evil morality at times).
>
>
> 5. Explain why, when racism is clearly wrong, Jesus was clearly a racist
> (see Matthew 15:21-28). NOTE: under no circumstances will I believe the
idea
> that racism is morally acceptable.
>
>
> 6. Explain why, when discrimination against women is clearly wrong, the
> Bible clearly supports the oppression of women. Answering this question
> entails refuting 1 Cor 11 and 1 Tim 2:11-15. NOTE: under no circumstances
> will I believe that discrimination against women solely on the basis of
sex
> is morally acceptable.
>
>
> 7. Explain why, when slavery is clearly wrong, the Bible clearly supports
> slavery. Answering this question entails refuting 1 Peter2:18. NOTE: under
> no circumstances will I believe that slavery is an acceptable way to run a
> society.
>
>
> 8. Explain why, if your god loves us all, more than half of us are going
to
> Hell after we die. Specifically, refute or explain the following words of
> Christ, as presented in the New Testament: "Many are called but few are
> chosen," and "Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth
unto
> salvation, and few there be that find it." If your god loves all of us,
> couldn't he find a better way?
>
>
> 9. Explain what type of offense could possibly justify eternal, unbearable
> torture in Hell; if you do not believe in Hell,then refute every passage
in
> the Old and New Testaments which describes Hell (such as 2 Thessalonians
> 1:8-9 and Revelation 20:15).
>
>
> 10. Explain how your god can be both just and merciful,when these terms
> apparently contradict each other.
>
>
> 11. Explain why possession by demons and/or other evil spirits was common
> during the time of Jesus, but hardly mentioned in the Old Testament, and
> apparently has been explained completely away today by things such as
> epilepsy and schizophrenia.
>
>
> 12. If Heaven is a place where everyone is perfectly happy,then explain
how
> I could be happy in Heaven if I had loved ones in Hell.
>
>
> 13. What is Heaven like?
>
>
> 14. What is Hell like?
>
>
> 15. Explain why original sin exists. Why should I be eternally tortured
for
> something that a pair of naked fruit-munching simpletons did in a garden
> over six thousand years ago? If you believe that children are born stained
> because they were conceived sexually, explain why I would be punished for
> something my parents did by your merciful and just God. If this does not
> apply to you, explain why.
>
>
> 16. Explain why getting dunked in or sprinkled with water will prevent me
> from being eternally tortured for the actions of the nakedfruit-munching
> simpletons mentioned in #15.
>
>
> 17a. If your God did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of
Knowledge
> of Good and Evil, why did he put the tree in the garden of Eden (and at
the
> center, no less)? Was it for shade? If the purpose of the tree was to
tempt
> Adam and Eve, explain why the temptation was necessary. If God knows all,
> then He already knew they would not be able to resist the temptation. So
> what was the point?
>
>
> 17b. Explain why your God created humans as imperfect, then set his
> standards so high that no one could possibly live up to them, then
punishes
> us for not living up to his standards.
>
>
> 18. Explain why sex, potentially one of the most wonderful, beautiful
things
> in human nature, is considered "bad" by your particular denomination. If
> your denomination does not consider sex to be "bad,"then refute Matthew
> 19:12, 1 Corinthians 7 (particularly verses 1 and 9),Galatians 5:17, 1
> Thessalonians 4:3, James 1:14-15, Matthew 5:27-31, Luke17:27, and
Revelation
> 14:4.
>
>
> 19. Explain why, if Jesus was perfect, he thought that the end of the
world
> was coming soon, when it has clearly not come yet.See Matthew 16:27-28.
>
>
> 20. Explain why some people (James, Peter, Paul, Thomas,etc.) should get
> convincing physical proof of miracles, while the rest of us are supposed
to
> take these happenings on faith.
>
>
> 21. Why are the stories of the resurrection inconsistent?
>
>
> 22. If you are a Protestant or a member of an Eastern Orthodox church,
> explain why you are still using the Catholic Bible, which was formalized
by
> a vote among (supposedly divinely inspired) cardinals and bishops in the
> fourth century CE, when you disagree with the idea that the Pope, who is
> higher in the Catholic hierarchy, is divinely inspired;if a Catholic,
> explain why your church accepts the canonical Bible while rejecting the
> Apocrypha (do not use the "divinely inspired" argument:Because I am not
> religious, I will not be able to accept it).
>
>
> 23. If your God wants us to worship him through our own free will, why
does
> he threaten us with Hell? If you have someone threatening you with a
> punishment, it isn't free will.
>
>
> 24. Why would your God deliberately cause sinners to sin(cf. Romans
9:15-23
> and numerous parts of the book of Exodus where God says, "I will harden
> Pharaoh's heart."). Are these sinners still responsible for the sins which
> your god forces them, against their will, to commit? Justify your answer.
>
>
> 25. Why should we accept the words of the gospel writers as truth when
they
> are known to be liars? (See Romans 3:7).
>
>
> 26. Explain why prayer is OK, but spell casting is not, when both amount
to
> the same thing: requesting that a superior supernatural force to intercede
> in a way that would be impossible according to the normally accepted laws
of
> physics.
>
>
> 27. According to the Gospels, from the Christian standpoint, Jesus was the
> most important person to ever live. From the Roman standpoint, Jesus was a
> huge pain in the butt because of his political activities. Explain why
> nothing was written about his life for over thirty years after his death,
> and nothing except the Gospels was written until the third century CE.
>
>
> 28. Explain why you believe a person whose life is so poorly documented
(see
> #27) was even ever born.
>
>
> 29. In light of Matthew 10:34, explain why Jesus is called the Prince of
> Peace.
>
>
> 30. The name "Jesus" has been anglicized. What was the original (Hebrew)
> name of Jesus? Where did you get this information? This is a bonus
question.
>
>
> 31. Why is it that the life of Jesus was so similar to the lives of pagan
> Christs, particularly Herakles, Dionysios, and Asklepios?
>
>
> 32. If your God requires that people believe in him and follow his orders
> through their own free will, why do Christians push their views on public
> policy?
>
>
> 33. Explain why being a good Christian requires you to push your beliefs
on
> others. If you do not believe that you have to push your views on others
(no
> matter how much this annoys them), explain why you do not believe this
> despite the fact that the New Testament seems to suggest that you must do
> this to get to Heaven (for instance, in Matthew 28:19-20).
>
>
> 34. Explain why spreading the "truth of Christ" requires you to spread
lies
> about other religions, such as the idea that Wiccans (so-called "white
> witches") worship the Christian devil. (Incidentally, they don't, and this
> rumor has been persistently spread by Christians since the second century
> CE).
>
>
> 35. At no point in the four Gospels did Jesus claim to be the son of your
> God. (He said "son of man" quite frequently,and at one point referred to
> himself as "a son of god," but that was a common Hebrew expression at the
> time. Someone who was "a son of god" was a Jew. This reflected the
> Israelites' belief that theywere the chosen people of your God. See Job
> 1:6). Why, then, do you believe that Jesus was divine? If you don't
believe
> that Jesus was divine, then why do you call yourself a Christian?
>
>
> 36. Given the fact that Jesus did not say anything original(the Golden
Rule
> and the "turn the other cheek" idea were stolen from Buddhism; and the
> Beatitudes were common in the Jewish devotional literature at the time),
why
> do you see Jesus as such a great thinker/philosopher/ ethicist?
>
>
> 37. When Jesus said, "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on
thy
> right cheek, turn to him the other also,"why do you suppose that most
> Christians fight for their rights? To put it another way, why don't we, as
a
> country of 85% Christians, let the government abuse us?
>
>
> 38. Why are so many Christian holidays on the same day as Pagan holidays?
> Couldn't the early Church fathers have converted pagans only by appealing
to
> their reason and/or faith if Christianity is the true religion?
>
>
> 39. Do you believe that the Old Testament should be accepted as part of
> Christian theology? If so, explain how you can worship such a cruel,
> sadistic being (see Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 20:16, Proverbs20:30,
Amos
> 3:6, Deuteronomy 13:8, Psalms 3:7, Psalms 52:5, etc.); if not,explain how
> you can believe that Jesus is the promised savior sent by your God without
> the messianic prophecies and the ruling rights of the line of David, both
of
> which are in the Old Testament in books such as Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel,
> Psalms, etc. (as opposed to, say, believing that Jesus was an irritating
nut
> wandering around saying things that people didn't like much).
>
>
> 40. Explain why your "just and merciful" God sent bears to kill forty-two
> children who called his prophet Elisha "baldhead."(See 2 Kings 2:23-24).
>
>
> 41. If prostitution is wrong, why are there so many examples of it in
> Genesis? (For instance, Gen 19:8, where Lot offers his daughters to a mob
so
> that his guests can avoid gang rape).
>
>
> 42. What is the sin that people committed that is so incredibly bad that
> your God had to become flesh and die to correct?
>
>
> 43. Are all members of other faiths bad? Are they all damned to Hell?
> Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.
>
>
> 44. Are all atheists/agnostics/humanists bad? Are they all damned to Hell?
> Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.
>
>
> 45. What was your motive in proselytizing to me?
>
>
> 46. Where is Heaven?
>
>
> 47. Where is Hell?
>
>
> 48. Why don't animals go to heaven or hell when they die? What makes us so
> special?
>
>
> 49. Why does Satan try to get peoples' souls?
>
>
> 50. Once Satan has someone's soul, what does he do with it?
>
>
> 51. Is your God perfect? Justify your answer.
>
>
> 52. Where does our soul stay while we are alive?
>
>
> 53. Why do evil people often prosper? Justify your answer.
>
>
> 54. Why do good people so often fail to prosper? Justify your answer.
>
>
> 55. When the end of the world comes, will your God raise our actual
bodies,
> or just our souls? Explain.
>
>
> 56. Explain why your god lets airplanes with sinless infants on board
crash.
>
>
> 57. What is sin, exactly?
>
>
> 58. If Jesus is perfect, justify the parable of the fig tree (Matthew
> 21:17-19, Mark 11:14-20).
>
>
> 59. Explain why Christians harass Wiccans ("whitewitches")when the central
> rule of the Wiccan ethical system is "an it harm no one, do what thou
wilt."
>
>
> 60. Explain why Christians (yes, that includes all branches of
Christianity)
> have spread the lie that Jews put Jesus to death when, in actuality, it
was
> the Romans who put Jesus to death. (For a good example of New Testament
> anti-semetism, see 1 Thessalonians 2:15).
>
>
> 61. If we are created in your god's image and likeness(Gen 1:27), how can
we
> also be imperfect?
>
>
> 62. Why was it OK for the ancient Israelites to sacrifice animals to their
> god, while it is wrong for modern religions to sacrifice animals to their
> gods? Justify your answer.
>
>
> 63. Why is it ok for modern day Christians to eat "unclean meat".
>
>
> 64. Why would your God confuse people? (See 1 Sam 7:10and Gen 11:9). Isn't
> life confusing enough already?
>
>
> 65. Why would your God cause blindness, deafness, and dumbness? (See Ex
> 4:11)
>
>
> 66. Why would your God want to damn people by making them believe false
> things? (See 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).
>
>
> 67. Should the book of Revelation be taken literally? Explain your answer.
>
>
> 68. Would it be good for men to castrate themselves? Justify your answer,
> taking Matthew 19:12 into account.
>
>
> 69. What exactly is faith?
>
>
> 70. All of the various Christian denominations ignore parts ofthe Bible,
> usually because those parts of the Bible are inconvenient. Explain which
> parts of the Bible your sect ignores, and explain why it is OK to ignore
> those parts of the Bible.
>
>
> 71. Why did your god allow Satan to do evil things to Job (Job 2:7 etc.)?
> Wouldn't your god better spend his time punishing unbelievers?
>
>
> 72. If Jesus and his father are one (John 10:30), then why does Jesus have
> to pray (i.e. Matthew 26:39)?
>
>
> 73. Explain your belief in heaven in light of Job 7:9 and Ecclesiastes
9:5.
>
>
> 74. Christ giving himself up on the cross was a great gesture, true, but
> wouldn't it have been more sensible for him to continue spreading his
> message until he died a natural death? Answer this question in light of
your
> answer to question #1.
>
>
> 75. What is your interpretation of the temptation of Christ by Satan in
the
> desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9)?
>
>
> 76. In view of Matthew 6:5-6, shouldn't prayer in public schools be
> discouraged? Support your answer with scripture quotes.
>
>
> 77. Do you feel that the last words of Christ were significant? If so, why
> do the four gospels attribute three different sentences to Christ as his
> last? (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34: "My God, My God, why hast thou
forsaken
> me?"; Luke 23:46: "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit"; John
19:30:
> "It is finished").
>
>
> 78. Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew,
> "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as,
> "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate
> translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the
> name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at
the
> moment of his death?
>
>
> 79. A commonly recited litany in many forms of Christianity is "The LORD
is
> my shepherd." (Psalm 23:1). Given the fact that the only reasons that
people
> raise sheep are to rob them of their clothes and to kill them for meat,
and
> the fact that sheep will often follow the shepherd to their destruction,
do
> you think that this is any appropriate image for your God? Justify your
> answer.
>
>
> 80. Why is the theory of the big bang any more (or less)likely that the
idea
> that your God created the universe? Justify your answer. NOTE: I admit
that
> science has not explained where the original super condensed particle came
> from, but no one has ever explained where your God came from, either.
>
>
> 81. If your God is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of
> (or separation from) your God, how can he be omnipotent?
>
>
> 82. In the Genesis story, your God tells Adam and Eve that the day they
eat
> from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen2:17). The devil tells
> them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they
> would know the difference between good and evil(Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan
> telling the truth here? Is your God a liar? Justify your answer in light
of
> Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.
>
>
> 83. If Lucifer is not as powerful as your God, then he cannot possibly be
> omnipresent. How could he possibly get as many followers as you seem to
> think he has?
>
>
> 84. The Bible constantly describes your God as male. In view of the fact
> that your God supposedly created everything, and creation is very much a
> female function, isn't this at least a little bit absurd? Justify your
> answer.
>
>
> 85. In light of the Trinity, angels, the Virgin Mary, etc., isn't
> Christianity polytheistic? If the Trinity is three who are one, why the
> three names? Justify your answer.
>
>
> 86. Have you read the entire Bible? If not, how can you be devoted enough
to
> try and convert me to a religion that you don't know that much about?
Isn't
> knowing as much as possible about something necessary to understanding it?
> Isn't understanding something necessary to being completely devoted to it?
>
>
> 87. Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
>
>
> 88. Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more
> than half of humanity is going to spend eternity there(see question #8)?
>
>
> 89. If your church considers the King James Bible to be the official
and/or
> authoritative translation, justify this in light of the fact that King
James
> commissioned his translation to be poetic rather than accurate. How can
you
> possibly use an inaccurate translation as your reference for what is/is
not
> the word of your God? If your church does not use the King James Bible,
what
> translation do they use? Justify the use of that particular translation.
>
>
> 90. Assume that I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins, or that if
he
> did, that necessarily means I will go to your heaven. Name one thing that
> Jesus ever did for me personally.
>
>
> 91. Before Mary was knocked up by the Holy Spirit/Ghost,she was never
asked
> for her consent. (She was warned; see Luke 1:31). Mary was also asleep
when
> your God knocked her up; this strongly suggests that He didn't want her to
> protest. Does this mean that Mary was raped by your God? Do you think rape
> is wrong? Explain.
>
>
> 92. If it was foretold that Jesus was to be crucified,and if he knew this,
> and if he was the son of your god, why did he do everything he could to
> avoid being crucified? (See, for instance, Matthew 26:39).
>
>
> 93. If the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the father of Jesus (Luke1:35), then why
is
> the central figure of your trinity called God the Father?
>
>
> 94. Mary and God were never joined in wedlock. Does it bother you that
Jesus
> is technically a bastard?
>
>
> 95. The original Hebrew word for the Holy Ghost/Spirit includes the idea
> that the Holy Spirit/Ghost is female in gender. Isn't this rather silly
when
> you consider the fact that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is actually the father of
> Jesus (Luke 1:35)?
>
>
> 96. Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews
> and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the
body
> of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or
Romans
> would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an
> outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention
it?
> Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble?
>
>
> 97. Jews believe that people are basically good people and can work to
> overcome their sinful tendencies. Most Christians,following the teaching
of
> Psalm 51:5, 1 Kings 8:46, Ezekiel 18:4, Isaiah59:2, and Psalm 143:2,
believe
> that people are completely debased and hopelessly lost in sin, and that
only
> your God can lift us out of this state if He decides to bestow His gift of
> grace on us? Isn't this an incredibly negative view of people? Isn't
Judaism
> a more mature faith just for this reason?
>
>
> 93. How do you, as an individual, feel about Psalm 51:5?
>
>
> 98. What does your denomination teach about Psalm 51:5 (and 1Kings 8:46,
> etc.), predestination, and similar matters?
>
>
> 99. Don't you think that the idea that no matter what we do, we can never
be
> good and righteous without help from your God (Isaiah64:6) fosters an
> unnatural and unhealthy dependency on Him?
>
>
> 100. Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary
was
> not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus
> wasn't the son of your God at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of
> Joseph?
>
>
> 101. What would the correct thing to do be if your God gave you a command
> that was harmful and/or destructive to you? A common argument, which comes
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