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There are smart meters in Ontario
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| H Pinder 2005-08-24, 1:21 pm |
| Nospam is correct. Time of use meters are in use in Ontario, and he
provided some links to coverage of them. They have been referred to , in
all the media, as "smart meters". They are smart enough to satisfy me.
Solar Flare is only correct because he requires that the definition of
"smart meters" include super-duper hi-tech capabilities such as WiFi, etc.
Since there are no such meters at this point, he has defined himself into
correctness.
I live in Ontario and can't wait for smartmeters, with at least TOU and
phone line communication capabilities, to be installed. Anything more is
icing on the cake; and if hi-tech wizardry delays their installation by
several years, the cake will be rotten.
Yevrah
<nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:06:49 -0400, "Solar Flare" <sflare@hotmail.com>
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> I guess it depends on how smart - just smart, genius, or Mensa.
> They are "prepaid" meters and are referred to as "smart meters"
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> see: http://www.oeb.gov.on.ca/documents/...tock_300804.pdf
> and: http://www.ec.gc.ca/pp/en/storyoutput.cfm?storyid=109
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http://www.energyprobe.org/energypr...&ContentID=8796
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| Solar Flare 2005-08-24, 7:21 pm |
| Nice identification of definition slips...LOL
TOU has not been legal for billing in Ontario for residential customers.
Smart meters are what it is all about and you can call your friggin' car a
smart meter if you want but it is still not residential smart metering or
what the Ontario Legislature calls "Smart Meter"
"H Pinder" <harveyp@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:E7ANe.13624$7R.1007970@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Nospam is correct. Time of use meters are in use in Ontario, and he
> provided some links to coverage of them. They have been referred to , in
> all the media, as "smart meters". They are smart enough to satisfy me.
> Solar Flare is only correct because he requires that the definition of
> "smart meters" include super-duper hi-tech capabilities such as WiFi, etc.
> Since there are no such meters at this point, he has defined himself into
> correctness.
> I live in Ontario and can't wait for smartmeters, with at least TOU and
> phone line communication capabilities, to be installed. Anything more is
> icing on the cake; and if hi-tech wizardry delays their installation by
> several years, the cake will be rotten.
> Yevrah
>
> <nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:749ag15guhqmnu7puaccle5p9ube78vpjf@4ax.com...
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http://www.energyprobe.org/energypr...&ContentID=8796
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Moot.
The TOU meters will allow for an "hourly" billing structure.
The customer will have access to a web site to check his history
of hourly usage and the hourly market prices.
Works fo me !
John T.
>TOU has not been legal for billing in Ontario for residential customers.
>Smart meters are what it is all about and you can call your friggin' car a
>smart meter if you want but it is still not residential smart metering or
>what the Ontario Legislature calls "Smart Meter"
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| daestrom 2005-08-27, 8:22 pm |
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"Solar Flare" <sflare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> LOL. Where did you get that rumour from?
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> Your billing history and records are eprsonal information and will not be
> published to any website from the the Ontario IESO as of any suggestions
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> forward in the meetings with them so far.
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Well in NY you can access your usage with National Grid. Just need the
account number, name, address and meter number to establish a logon. Then
you can view the usage info by logging into their system. Meets the
requirements of NY's privacy laws.
Don't see why Ontario Canada would be much different.
daestrom
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The IESO has no interest whatsoever in my personal billing
information - it just sets the hourly price.
My hourly demand history is, in fact, available to me on a web site,
password protected, updated daily.
It's part of a pilot project on residential TOU metering.
John T.
>LOL. Where did you get that rumour from?
>Your billing history and records are personal information and will not be
>published to any website from the the Ontario IESO as of any suggestions put
>forward in the meetings with them so far.
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>Well in NY you can access your usage with National Grid. Just need the
>account number, name, address and meter number to establish a logon. Then
>you can view the usage info by logging into their system. Meets the
>requirements of NY's privacy laws.
>Don't see why Ontario Canada would be much different.
>daestrom
I suspect that it will be a similiar process in Ontario.
I suppose that any customers who are concerned about privacy issues
could simply opt out of the "web access" feature.
John T.
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| Solar Flare 2005-08-27, 9:21 pm |
| The IESO of Ontario is the one doing the meter interrogation and
distributing the bills on bulk metering TOU.
The IESO is also the POS pushing the residential TOU "smart metering"
"_jj_" <NOSPAMtabbertj@NOSPAMperth.net> wrote in message
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> The IESO has no interest whatsoever in my personal billing
> information - it just sets the hourly price.
> My hourly demand history is, in fact, available to me on a web site,
> password protected, updated daily.
> It's part of a pilot project on residential TOU metering.
> John T.
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The IESO is not interested in becoming involved in residential
metering except to promote (and approve) the technologies that allow
people to shift load from peak to off-peak.
The widespread implementation of these technologies is more an issue
for the Utilities and the Minister of Energy.
John T.
"Solar Flare" wrote:
>The IESO of Ontario is the one doing the meter interrogation and
>distributing the bills on bulk metering TOU.
>The IESO is also the POS pushing the residential TOU "smart metering"
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| Solar Flare 2005-08-28, 12:21 am |
| The IESO has total control. Whenthey tell you to instal smart meters you
will do it and if you are late you get fined thousands of dollars. On
einstallation we had we got fined $30K for not having the dial up in place.
The fine was to be doubled each week over. Six phone lines for six meters in
the same cabinet.
Yup, they are mostly complete assholes with a big stick and they don't even
know how to hold it. All the Utilities hate them and are finding way to
trick them into actually getting things done.
A necessary evil though. Now we need some education for our utility police
force.
"_jj_" <NOSPAMtabbertj@NOSPAMperth.net> wrote in message
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> The IESO is not interested in becoming involved in residential
> metering except to promote (and approve) the technologies that allow
> people to shift load from peak to off-peak.
> The widespread implementation of these technologies is more an issue
> for the Utilities and the Minister of Energy.
> John T.
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| Derek Broughton 2005-08-29, 10:21 am |
| daestrom wrote:
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> "Solar Flare" <sflare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CoydnbnGOJLHPo3eRVn-qg@golden.net...
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> Well in NY you can access your usage with National Grid. Just need the
> account number, name, address and meter number to establish a logon. Then
> you can view the usage info by logging into their system. Meets the
> requirements of NY's privacy laws.
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> Don't see why Ontario Canada would be much different.
Heck, you can _bank_ online. There's no reason on earth to prevent people
seeing their own billing records online.
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derek
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| Solar Flare 2005-08-29, 9:21 pm |
| Why would an electrical utility in their right minds want to run a website
with a massive database in order to stop people from buying their product?
"Derek Broughton" <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote in message
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> daestrom wrote:
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> Heck, you can _bank_ online. There's no reason on earth to prevent people
> seeing their own billing records online.
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> derek
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| Nemisis.0.GimmeButt 2005-08-29, 10:21 pm |
| "Solar Flare" got out of the Gymmy BoB dress to post:
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>"_jj_" <NOSPAMtabbertj@NOSPAMperth.net> wrote in message
>news:pjt1h1t521gohvi1t0lrkse5uo59ulrr0h@4ax.com...
>The IESO has total control. Whenthey tell you to instal smart meters you
>will do it and if you are late you get fined thousands of dollars. On
>einstallation we had we got fined $30K for not having the dial up in place.
>The fine was to be doubled each week over. Six phone lines for six meters in
>the same cabinet.
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>Yup, they are mostly complete assholes with a big stick and they don't even
>know how to hold it. All the Utilities hate them and are finding way to
>trick them into actually getting things done.
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>A necessary evil though. Now we need some education for our utility police
>force.
...ya just carnt help yourself eh GimmeButt,, if its working well you just have
to stick your widdle prick in.
u r a saaaaaaaaad case Dude..:-/
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