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Author Re: OT and theory. Limit on siphons
bogax

2005-09-22, 5:21 pm

> A hydraulic ram requires a supply of flowing water. What I was
> describing requires rapidly pulling fairly hard vacuum on fairly large
> volume to get a column of water moving up. The difference is in where
> that energy comes from to get the water moving.
> Mostly what I wanted to describe was a method by which it is possible
> thru the use of suction (vacuum) alone to get water to a point higher
> then atmospheric pressure would normally allow.
> ___________
> Andre' B.


Oh. I misunderstood you.

I don't see how that's going to work.

A hydro-ram transforms pressure using the "water hammer" to trade
a large mass of low pressure water for a small mass of high pressure
water (roughly speaking).

A siphon that ran that way would quickly run it self out of water, it'd
be like trying to run a hydro-ram on the water it pumped.

except

A siphon works by dropping an equal amount of water further than it
lifts it. But atmospheric pressure won't sustain a pressure
differential
of more than about 15lbs/sq inch, equivalent to a depth of about 34
feet
of water.

To get the water over a hump deeper than 34 feet in a siphon you'd
have to increase the input pressure ie just a vacuum wouldn't do it
without some way to transform the pressure.

I was envisioning some hydro-ram like setup to do that but instead
of trading a larger mass of lower pressure water, using an equal mass
of higher pressure water (the water coming out of the siphon which
is deeper/falling further than the water going in is).

(Just theoretical like, it'd probably be cheaper and simpler to just
use a pump and run it off of the water coming out of the siphon
but that wouldn't be as nifty-simple as a hydro-ram is

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