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| Not long ago on these groups, someone pointed to a pump used in moving water
by having one impeller driven by high pressure water line and an impeller on
the same shaft pumping lower pressure water at greater volume.
Can anyone point to a pump or company?
TIA
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| andre_54005@yahoo.com 2005-08-23, 2:21 pm |
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News wrote:
> Not long ago on these groups, someone pointed to a pump used in moving water
> by having one impeller driven by high pressure water line and an impeller on
> the same shaft pumping lower pressure water at greater volume.
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> Can anyone point to a pump or company?
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> TIA
The simplest, no moving parts method that comes to mind would be a jet
pump.
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> The simplest, no moving parts method that comes to mind would be a jet
> pump.
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> Andre' B.
Thanks. What I want to do is have the incoming cold water mains turn an
impeller, that turns another impeller on the same shaft which moves water in
a 3/4" pipe with little resistance. As the flow in the water mains moves
faster, so does the flow in the 3/4" pipe.
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| Arnold Walker 2005-08-23, 5:21 pm |
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> impeller on
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> Thanks. What I want to do is have the incoming cold water mains turn an
> impeller, that turns another impeller on the same shaft which moves water
in
> a 3/4" pipe with little resistance. As the flow in the water mains moves
> faster, so does the flow in the 3/4" pipe.
What Andre said about the water eductor(jet pump) is about near as you are
going
to come.......barring a steam pump/eductor available from any boiler supply
shop/store.
steamers do it three different ways....depending on
application.Piston,turbine,eductor,or combination of the above.
They start off at about 1/4" for models and go all the way to 60" pumps.
Like the steam pumps used in New Orleans to keep the
city "afloat" on the Mississippi Delta basin.Many would say you can't build
or live on a mud formation ....others did for the past 125yrs.
You just have to keep the crust thick enorgh to support the buildings is
all.
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| Vaughn 2005-08-23, 9:21 pm |
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"Arnold Walker" <arnoldwalker@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> Like the steam pumps used in New Orleans to keep the
> city "afloat" on the Mississippi Delta basin.Many would say you can't build
> or live on a mud formation ....others did for the past 125yrs.
> You just have to keep the crust thick enorgh to support the buildings is
> all.
I have been there several times and never heard about this. Tell us more?
Vaughn
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> What Andre said about the water eductor(jet pump) is about near as you are
> going
> to come.......barring a steam pump/eductor available from any boiler supply
> shop/store.
> steamers do it three different ways....depending on
> application.Piston,turbine,eductor,or combination of the above.
> They start off at about 1/4" for models and go all the way to 60" pumps.
> Like the steam pumps used in New Orleans to keep the
> city "afloat" on the Mississippi Delta basin.Many would say you can't build
> or live on a mud formation ....others did for the past 125yrs.
> You just have to keep the crust thick enorgh to support the buildings is
> all.
There is a small "ventura" type pump that is used to pump out things
like
water beds...fish tanks....boats when no power available...etc
It uses a garden hose running the water through a ventura, to produce
suction
to produce pumping action....it sounds a little like what you are
talking about
they can be purchased at wall mart....look for blue magic water bed
kit...
Here is link....click on parts and supplies....then go to pic....super
pump...
http://www.waterbedheaven.com/index.html
hope helps....have fun......sno
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| Arnold Walker 2005-08-24, 3:21 am |
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> I have been there several times and never heard about this. Tell us
more?
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> Vaughn
Hope you trust the New Orlean water department at
www.swbno.org/drainage.html
The stilt from river is estamated to reach 30 to 50 miles farther south in
the next century.
I forget how many feet below sealevel New Orleans is.....Just that you
wouldn't want to be walking in the French
when a levvee gave way.
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| With a 0.8 metre head the Glockemann pump can pump up to 250m !!!!!!
Silently!
http://www.rpc.com.au/products/pump...glockemann.html
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> Arnold Walker wrote:
> There is a small "ventura" type pump that is used to pump out things
> like
> water beds...fish tanks....boats when no power available...etc
>
> It uses a garden hose running the water through a ventura, to produce
> suction
> to produce pumping action....it sounds a little like what you are
> talking about
> they can be purchased at wall mart....look for blue magic water bed
> kit...
>
> Here is link....click on parts and supplies....then go to pic....super
> pump...
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> http://www.waterbedheaven.com/index.html
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> hope helps....have fun......sno
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| JoeSixPack 2005-08-25, 4:21 pm |
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> With a 0.8 metre head the Glockemann pump can pump up to 250m !!!!!!
> Silently!
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> http://www.rpc.com.au/products/pump...glockemann.html
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Something slightly lower tech than this would be a water hammer (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_ram.) Fairly simple to build,
probably lower maintenance, and likely cheaper. One drawback is the noise,
another is the possibility of becoming clogged with debris.
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> Something slightly lower tech than this would be a water hammer (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_ram.) Fairly simple to build,
> probably lower maintenance, and likely cheaper. One drawback is the
noise,
> another is the possibility of becoming clogged with debris.
Or if you have 30,000 Hebrews you could build this ram pump:
http://gameroom.com/gizapump/index.htm
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| Arnold Walker 2005-08-26, 4:21 am |
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> "JoeSixPack" <olegp@telus.net> wrote in message
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> Or if you have 30,000 Hebrews you could build this ram pump:
> http://gameroom.com/gizapump/index.htm
You both are talking about the same thing....surprising how long a water ram
has been around.
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I see that link, links to Green and Carter http://www.greenandcarter.com/
They make the pump diaphragms using inner tube rubber, so available scrap
rubber in remote parts of the world can be cut and used. You can still get
parts for pumps that are 70 years old. It is nice to see these old
companies still around,.
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> You both are talking about the same thing....surprising how long a water
ram
> has been around.
In the modern sense just over 230 years.
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> You both are talking about the same thing....surprising how long a water
ram
> has been around.
Even today many archaeologists believe the Great Pyramid was a tomb. I
always thought it odd that the inside was strange and spartan for such a
supposed great tomb. One hell of a ram pump though. Clever people, and who
would of thought of building such a gigantic pump not knowing if it could
actually work. They must have had scale models to base it on.
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| JoeSixPack 2005-08-26, 10:21 am |
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> "Arnold Walker" <arnoldwalker@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> Even today many archaeologists believe the Great Pyramid was a tomb. I
> always thought it odd that the inside was strange and spartan for such a
> supposed great tomb. One hell of a ram pump though. Clever people, and
> who
> would of thought of building such a gigantic pump not knowing if it could
> actually work. They must have had scale models to base it on.
Although it resembles several things to some, such as a water pump,
carburetor, spaceship, etc., No, it was only designed as a burial tomb for
an Egyptian king. The passages were designed to guide the soul to the
proper stars.
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> Although it resembles several things to some, such as a water pump,
> carburetor,
Fuelling what?
> spaceship,
Travelling where?
> etc., No, it was only designed as a burial tomb for
> an Egyptian king. The passages were designed to guide the soul to the
> proper stars.
The evidence it was a ram pump is overwhelming. Extra passages were dug to
improve performance. Guiding souls? You are having a laugh of course.
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| daestrom 2005-08-26, 11:21 am |
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> build,
> the
> water
> could
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> Fuelling what?
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> Travelling where?
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> The evidence it was a ram pump is overwhelming. Extra passages were dug
> to
> improve performance. Guiding souls? You are having a laugh of course.
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The theory that the pyramids were a form of water pump is interesting, but
*not* universally accepted. In fact most egyptologists don't find it at all
credible. Hydraulic engineers that have looked at it find it dubious.
Your 'overwhelming' evidence is just a couple of gates, an extra hole below
the burial chamber and some soot on the roof over the king's chamber. It's
not at all clear that the lower chamber would retain an air pocket to absorb
the energy of the water falling down the intake, then reimpart that energy
to a portion of the water sending it to the next chamber. If this chamber
floods completely, the system would stop and have to be manually emptied
since it is below the level of the Nile.
Even if you entertain the idea that it is a pump, there is no reason for the
king's chamber. The unfinished pit and the queen's chamber would provide an
adequate volume/head to irrigate for miles as supposed by the 'pump
enthusiasts'. The king's chamber, while raising the available head, would
severely reduce the volume of water pumped. There is no reason for it, so
why would the egyptians build it? Unless it is *not* a pump and actually is
something else (like a burial chamber).
Tombs before these were always dug underground (the area is riddled with
burial chambers underground), so the 'unfinished chamber' may well have been
just that, not some 'drain pit' with a 'vortex chamber' as supposed by the
pump enthusiasts. Is it too hard to believe that once the chamber was
started, the pharaoh or his chief engineer changed the design to one above
ground?
daestrom
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> The theory that the pyramids were a form of water pump is interesting, but
> *not* universally accepted. In fact most egyptologists don't find it at
all
> credible. Hydraulic engineers that have looked at it find it dubious.
>
> Your 'overwhelming' evidence is just a couple of gates, an extra hole
below
> the burial chamber and some soot on the roof over the king's chamber.
It's
> not at all clear that the lower chamber would retain an air pocket to
absorb
> the energy of the water falling down the intake, then reimpart that energy
> to a portion of the water sending it to the next chamber. If this chamber
> floods completely, the system would stop and have to be manually emptied
> since it is below the level of the Nile.
The clacker valve is pretty convincing. That moved a lot, and the evidence
is there for that. Who is to say it actually worked properly? Hence the
extra tunnels dug to get it work.
> Even if you entertain the idea that it is a pump, there is no reason for
the
> king's chamber. The unfinished pit and the queen's chamber would provide
an
> adequate volume/head to irrigate for miles as supposed by the 'pump
> enthusiasts'. The king's chamber, while raising the available head, would
> severely reduce the volume of water pumped. There is no reason for it, so
> why would the egyptians build it? Unless it is *not* a pump and actually
is
> something else (like a burial chamber).
They are very spartan chambers for such a great tomb. Doesn't fit. I
dismiss that it was a tomb.
> Tombs before these were always dug underground (the area is riddled with
> burial chambers underground), so the 'unfinished chamber' may well have
been
> just that, not some 'drain pit' with a 'vortex chamber' as supposed by the
> pump enthusiasts. Is it too hard to believe that once the chamber was
> started, the pharaoh or his chief engineer changed the design to one above
> ground?
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> daestrom
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| daestrom 2005-08-27, 8:22 pm |
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> below
> It's
> absorb
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> The clacker valve is pretty convincing. That moved a lot, and the
> evidence
> is there for that. Who is to say it actually worked properly? Hence the
> extra tunnels dug to get it work.
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It is only 'convincing' when you name it 'clacker valve'. Name it something
like 'big flat rock used to close off lower tunnel', and it sounds a lot
more like just that, 'big flat rock used to close off lower tunnel'.
> the
> an
> is
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> They are very spartan chambers for such a great tomb. Doesn't fit. I
> dismiss that it was a tomb.
>
Here is another web site about the same theory.
http://www.thepump.org/researcharticles.htm
Interesting that this web site depicts an entirely different method of
operation, using compressed air in the 'unfinished chamber' and wooden valve
that swung on a timber.
Also note that the 'unfinished chamber' was dug down directly into rock. If
the original intent was to act as a drainage pit for the 'hydraulic ram pump
theory', why would they dig down through rock instead of moving 100 yds to
the side and dig in the much easier soil instead of rock? By digging into
solid rock, they then have to dig a lateral shaft for the drainage of water,
complicating the whole thing.
Perhaps they are 'spartan' because they have been raided over the many years
and have little left inside?
daestrom
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| JoeSixPack 2005-08-27, 8:22 pm |
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"News" <Nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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> "JoeSixPack" <olegp@telus.net> wrote in message
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> build,
> the
> water
> could
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> Fuelling what?
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> Travelling where?
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> The evidence it was a ram pump is overwhelming. Extra passages were dug
> to
> improve performance. Guiding souls? You are having a laugh of course.
Your idea that the pyramids were for pumping water is more than a laugh,
it's a total absurdity.
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| Dave Hinz 2005-08-27, 8:22 pm |
| On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:47:41 GMT, JoeSixPack <olegp@telus.net> wrote:
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> "News" <Nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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> Your idea that the pyramids were for pumping water is more than a laugh,
> it's a total absurdity.
Ah, News has a new topic to troll, does he? In the past, he's been
talking about this wonderful French car that runs on air. Just so you
know.
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| Robert Morien 2005-08-27, 8:22 pm |
| In article <3n96jeFfailU1@individual.net>,
Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:47:41 GMT, JoeSixPack <olegp@telus.net> wrote:
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> Ah, News has a new topic to troll, does he? In the past, he's been
> talking about this wonderful French car that runs on air. Just so you
> know.
But that's the point. The pyramid was pumping water to power a
compressor to power the air car.
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| Dave Hinz 2005-08-27, 8:22 pm |
| On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:31:26 -0700, Robert Morien <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote:
> In article <3n96jeFfailU1@individual.net>,
> Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:
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> But that's the point. The pyramid was pumping water to power a
> compressor to power the air car.
Of course, but the elapsed time of 5,000 years is one hell of a recharge
cycle...
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> Your idea that the pyramids were for pumping water is more than a laugh,
> it's a total absurdity.
A bigger laugh is that is was a tomb.
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> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:47:41 GMT, JoeSixPack <olegp@telus.net> wrote:
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> Ah, News has a new topic to troll, does he? In the past, he's been
> talking about this wonderful French car that runs on air.
Ram pumps run on air too.
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> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:31:26 -0700, Robert Morien
<PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote:
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> Of course, but the elapsed time of 5,000 years is one hell of a recharge
> cycle...
It didn't need to go far and only used in the odd tomb.
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| Robert Morien 2005-08-27, 8:22 pm |
| In article <430f8fa5$0$18801$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
"News" <Nospam@here.com> wrote:
> "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> It didn't need to go far and only used in the odd tomb.
and is just as commercially viable 5000 years later
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| @(none) 2005-09-19, 5:21 pm |
| News wrote:
> Not long ago on these groups, someone pointed to a pump used in moving water
> by having one impeller driven by high pressure water line and an impeller on
> the same shaft pumping lower pressure water at greater volume.
>
> Can anyone point to a pump or company?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
There's this odd sort of pump that came out of a General Electric wash
machine. Pix at my site:
http://www.databrook.com/users/dcs3400/1.jpg
http://www.databrook.com/users/dcs3400/2.jpg
http://www.databrook.com/users/dcs3400/3.jpg
Looks like it could do what you're talking about.
The pulley looking thing was not connected to anything... (image 2)
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