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NG electric question
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| no one that you know 2006-12-10, 1:25 pm |
| Looking at my current bills both natural gas and electric.....and I was
just wondering again because of the dam rising admin fee's.
Is there any way to go off grid and generate my own power with natural
gas and break even?
June of 2007 I will be installing a on demanned hot water system with
some zone heating. I have seen a few systems installed by the local guy
here.
What he says is that the water heater is big enough to use for radiant
heat and will give priority for the taps when in use. Now what I was
wondering is should I have some plumbing roughed in for a future genny
to transfer the rad heat into my system.
How does one get the most BTU's out of the natural gas gen into the home
as heat while making electricity?
I will also be replacing the 220 volt dryer with a ng gas one this
summer....so I won't need 220 and was thinking two smaller 110 vac gens
to make up my needs of 300-800 kwh per month.
At the main panel I could put both sides of the circuit breakers
together....when my demands are higher I could just turn on (remotely) a
second gen (honda inverter sync)
Any extra power could go directly into resistive heater's.
A: one bill reduce admin fee's
B: Control over power stability (very flaky grid here) I am in the
mountains Snow, wind, lightning, surges you name it. Last year a snow
storm caused a five day outage.
C: zoneing my natural gas electric heat by water/wires (shutting off
forced air furnace) I heat with wood on the main floor while doing so
the basement living space is cold. I could go back to inca lights for
heat in the winter and cf for the summer.
Also Do they make a honda gen that can sync with a inverter?
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| Vaughn Simon 2006-12-10, 1:25 pm |
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"no one that you know" <nooneshome@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Looking at my current bills both natural gas and electric.....and I was
> just wondering again because of the dam rising admin fee's.
> Is there any way to go off grid and generate my own power with natural
> gas and break even?
In a word...No. You can't beat the grid, especially with a fuel-burning
generator.
I don't know what you are paying, but grid power is the best bargain you
will ever get, compared to what it would cost you to generate it yourself. I
have a little 4 KW Onan that runs on natural gas. I have calculated that 24/7
operation would cost me at least $800.00 per month in fuel alone. Compared to
that, my typically <$100.00 power bill looks like pocket change.
Vaughn
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2006-12-10, 5:25 pm |
| Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.FAKE.net> wrote:
> In a word...No. You can't beat the grid, especially with a fuel-burning
>generator.
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>... I have a little 4 KW Onan that runs on natural gas. I have calculated
>that 24/7 operation would cost me at least $800.00 per month in fuel alone.
And if you used all the "waste heat"...?
Nick
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| Vaughn Simon 2006-12-10, 5:25 pm |
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<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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> Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.FAKE.net> wrote:
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> And if you used all the "waste heat"...?
Good question. Perhaps it would be different if I lived in the area
described by the OP, but my gas bill plus my electric bill seldom exceed
$150.00. There is no way I could use cogeneration 24/7 and save money because I
have little use for the waste heat. But there are more expenses to such a
system than just fuel. How much does the generator cost and how many hours is
it good for between overhauls? What would the maintenance cost over the
lifetime of the unit?
Vaughn
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> Nick
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| Solar Flare 2006-12-10, 8:25 pm |
| A few industrial plants in our area have used co-generators quite
effectively on NG. Some have added more units after a trial period.
The difference is they wanted the heat and the electricity was the
byproduct instead of the usual other way around.
"Vaughn Simon" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.FAKE.net> wrote in message
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> <nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
> news:elhqse$841@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
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> Good question. Perhaps it would be different if I lived in the
> area described by the OP, but my gas bill plus my electric bill
> seldom exceed $150.00. There is no way I could use cogeneration
> 24/7 and save money because I have little use for the waste heat.
> But there are more expenses to such a system than just fuel. How
> much does the generator cost and how many hours is it good for
> between overhauls? What would the maintenance cost over the
> lifetime of the unit?
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> Vaughn
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| Tim Thomson 2006-12-22, 1:25 pm |
| No we are talking!
That is what I was asking. Instead of just burning the fuel in the furnace and
having the waste heat go up the flue.....why not burn gas in a genny make power
and heat hmmmm
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.FAKE.net> wrote:
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> And if you used all the "waste heat"...?
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> Nick
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| Tim Thomson 2006-12-22, 1:25 pm |
| Why not sell the bi product to the neighbour's?
Solar Flare wrote:
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> A few industrial plants in our area have used co-generators quite
> effectively on NG. Some have added more units after a trial period.
> The difference is they wanted the heat and the electricity was the
> byproduct instead of the usual other way around.
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> "Vaughn Simon" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.FAKE.net> wrote in message
> news:UM_eh.182602$Fi1.136075@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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| Solar Flare 2006-12-22, 1:25 pm |
| Why would you sell it to the neighbours when you can use it yourself?
"Tim Thomson" <nooneshome@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Why not sell the bi product to the neighbour's?
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> Solar Flare wrote:
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