Alternative Power sources - N.J. man has first solar-hydrogen home

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N.J. man has first solar-hydrogen home

lkgeo1

2006-12-18, 9:25 am

N.J. man has first solar-hydrogen home
EAST AMWELL, N.J., Oct. 24 (UPI) -- A New Jersey home is the first in
the country to be powered completely by solar and hydrogen energy.

Michael Stritzki used $100,000 of his own money, along with corporate,
private and government grants, to build turn his East Amwell, N.J.,
home into a pioneering hybrid that was unveiled Friday.

The former state Department of Transportation engineer said he ran into
some red-tape with local code enforcement unfamiliar with this somewhat
new technology (NASA powers space shuttles with hydrogen).

"Things that people don't understand, they're afraid of," Stritzki
said. "Hydrogen is just another gas, and it's safer than all the fossil
fuels we currently know."

Solar panels on the roof of Stritzki's garage produce extra electricity
in the summer which is used for processing hydrogen from water. The
hydrogen then powers a fuel cell, which covers any energy needs the
solar panels can't meet for the two-story home with a big-screen TV,
swimming pool and a hot tub, The Philadelphia Inquirer reports.

The state's Board of Public Utilities funneled $250,000 for Stritzki's
home from a Clean Energy Program. The remaining $150,000 came from
private and corporate sponsors and loans.

"We're not anticipating this exact project to be duplicated
everywhere," said Connie Hughes, a utility commissioner, "but we do see
this as one of the ways to address New Jersey's goals of having 20
percent of our energy coming from renewables by the year 2020."

Lyle Rawlings, president of Advanced Solar Products and Stritzki's
design engineer, said "New Jersey has shown the will, the leadership to
the rest of the country, and it's up to them to catch up because we're
in the vanguard."

Eeyore

2006-12-18, 9:25 am

lkgeo1 wrote:

> "Hydrogen is just another gas, and it's safer than all the fossil
> fuels we currently know."

Utter nonsense.

Hydrogen's highly explosive.

Graham

Eeyore

2006-12-18, 9:25 am

lkgeo1 wrote:

> Michael Stritzki used $100,000 of his own money
>
> The state's Board of Public Utilities funneled $250,000 for Stritzki's
> home from a Clean Energy Program. The remaining $150,000 came from
> private and corporate sponsors and loans.

So 1/2 million dollars to keep a few ppl warm !

Not exactly very clever is it ? What a truly pointless waste of money.

Graham

lkgeo1

2006-12-18, 9:25 am

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Eeyore wrote:
> lkgeo1 wrote:
>
>
> So 1/2 million dollars to keep a few ppl warm !
>
> Not exactly very clever is it ? What a truly pointless waste of money.
>
> Graham

wmbjk

2006-12-18, 1:25 pm

On 18 Dec 2006 05:20:31 -0800, "lkgeo1" <lkgeo1@aol.com> wrote:

>Michael Stritzki used $100,000 of his own money, along with corporate,
>private and government grants, to build turn his East Amwell, N.J.,
>home into a pioneering hybrid that was unveiled Friday.

>The state's Board of Public Utilities funneled $250,000 for Stritzki's
>home from a Clean Energy Program. The remaining $150,000 came from
>private and corporate sponsors and loans.

>which covers any energy needs the solar panels can't meet
> for the two-story home with a big-screen TV,
>swimming pool and a hot tub

Huh. Only $500,000 to do much the same thing I have at my place.
Except that I did it with conventional technology, sweat equity, and
without any charity from taxpayers, for about $470,000 less. Of
course, I have to keep the load down by watching DLP while Stritzki
probably has a plasma screen. I'm sure that his neighbors are thrilled
to read about how they've funded the "vanguard" power for that TV,
pool, and hot tub. Yup, hydrogen has a bright future.... for anyone
who has other's money to burn.

Wayne

Eric Sears

2006-12-18, 5:25 pm

On 18 Dec 2006 05:20:31 -0800, "lkgeo1" <lkgeo1@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"Things that people don't understand, they're afraid of," Stritzki
>said. "Hydrogen is just another gas, and it's safer than all the fossil
>fuels we currently know."

as others said - utter bunk! - But some people will believe anything
you tell them! (Its called advertising hype).
>
>Solar panels on the roof of Stritzki's garage produce extra electricity
>in the summer which is used for processing hydrogen from water. The
>hydrogen then powers a fuel cell, which covers any energy needs the
>solar panels can't meet for the two-story home with a big-screen TV,
>swimming pool and a hot tub, The Philadelphia Inquirer reports.

No reports about how they actually store this this very "thin" form of
energy, but you can bet that the storage is either highly inefficient
- or otherwise vey large! And of course the actual production is not
likely to be very efficient either.

Also, we can't actually tell how much energy is produced and stored
from this system - but if the solar panels fit on his garage roof - it
doesn't sound a lot. (I suppose he may have a large garage!)
>
>The state's Board of Public Utilities funneled $250,000 for Stritzki's
>home from a Clean Energy Program. The remaining $150,000 came from
>private and corporate sponsors and loans.
>
>Michael Stritzki used $100,000 of his own money, along with corporate,
>private and government grants, to build turn his East Amwell, N.J.,
>home into a pioneering hybrid that was unveiled Friday.

Wow! give me the $500,000!

>"We're not anticipating this exact project to be duplicated
>everywhere," said Connie Hughes, a utility commissioner, "but we do see
>this as one of the ways to address New Jersey's goals of having 20
>percent of our energy coming from renewables by the year 2020."

I'm not surprised it won't be duplicated.
I am a bit surprised that anyone would be sucked into parting with so
much money, but I guess when most of its not your own - - hey, who
cares! (Certainly not the spender - and the poor old taxpayer doesn't
seem to have much say).
>
>Lyle Rawlings, president of Advanced Solar Products and Stritzki's
>design engineer, said "New Jersey has shown the will, the leadership to
>the rest of the country, and it's up to them to catch up because we're
>in the vanguard."

More likely shown their stupidity and gullibility.

Here's a basic calc in NZ dollars -

say - 20kw of solar panels - NZ$200,000
200kwh of batteries - NZ$50,000

Inverters, cabling, controllers - Hmm - maybe $100,000

I should even be able to put aside enough to replace the batteries
when needed for the next 20 years. Or shall I buy an electric car with
lithium battery instead?

Oh. I forgot - that 500k was US dollars! I'de have over NZ$700,000 to
play with! I think I could power half our street for that!

The mind boggles.

Hydrogen? Bah humbug! (after all it is Christmas).

Eric Sears.

Steve Cothran

2006-12-18, 5:25 pm

>Wow! give me the $500,000!
>

According to my calculator, $500K US would power my home for 241
years, and I use lots of kwhr's. Hell, just the interest on the 500k
in a decent mutual fund would power my home with enought left over for
a new Lexus.

And I wouldn't have to haul any hydrogen.

I like Lancaster's methods. Convert it to dollars or btu and see how
it works out.

EXT

2006-12-19, 5:25 pm

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> lkgeo1 wrote:
>
>
> So 1/2 million dollars to keep a few ppl warm !
>
> Not exactly very clever is it ? What a truly pointless waste of money.
>
> Graham
>

Not only the money it took, but think of all the greenhouse gasses produced
and the resources it took to manufacture, transport, install and maintain,
not exactly a green project. I am sure it would have to operate for several
decades (which we all know it won't) to come out ahead.

Eeyore

2006-12-20, 9:25 am

EXT wrote:

> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> Not only the money it took, but think of all the greenhouse gasses produced
> and the resources it took to manufacture, transport, install and maintain,
> not exactly a green project. I am sure it would have to operate for several
> decades (which we all know it won't) to come out ahead.

Hydrogen is the least 'green' fuel ever imagined.

It makes fossil fuels look highly environmentally sound.

Graham

lkgeo1

2006-12-20, 5:25 pm

wrong again jackass, try hydro produced hydrogen: Legislation aims to
lure research cos.

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COLUMBIA, S.C.

Proposed legislation would create a $15 million fund to lure companies
involved in hydrogen fuel technology to South Carolina, House Speaker
Bobby Harrell said.

The legislation requires a grant administrator to work with several
universities in South Carolina that already are involved hydrogen fuel
cell research.

"This plan is centered around two things: developing a clean
alternative fuel and creating jobs for our citizens," said Harrell,
R-Charleston. "For this to happen, we need to encourage private sector
involvement in this field."

He predicted the future hydrogen fuel economy will be dominated by
companies that "are not currently household names."

"I hope we will one day have some Bill Gates-type of business leaders
running their companies from South Carolina headquarters," Harrell
said.

The South Carolina Hydrogen Infrastructure Development Fund would be
available to private companies that work with the universities of South
Carolina, Clemson, South Carolina State and the Savannah River National
Laboratory.

The legislation also requires state agencies to consider purchasing
equipment and machinery operated by hydrogen fuel cells and provides a
sales tax exemption for equipment operated by or used to distribute
hydrogen fuel cells, he said.

Edgar Berkey, vice president of Concurrent Technologies Corp., a
nonprofit research and development group, said South Carolina was in a
cycle that could last for 10 years.

"The introduction of major new technology usually is slower than people
would wish," said Berkey, an adviser on the state's hydrogen strategy.
"South Carolina is taking a leadership role in setting up the pieces
that are going to be necessary to be among the leaders."

The financial incentives could be important to help the university of
South Carolina lure research partnerships with private companies. The
university has been seeking tenants for a private alternative fuel
research building currently under construction.

Harrell wants South Carolina to lead the nation in a hydrogen fuel
industry, which he estimated to be worth $2.6 trillion in the next few
decades.

"For South Carolina to lead the nation in this new industry will
require that chief executive officers live here," Harrell said.
"Otherwise, I'm afraid the technology will be developed here and
exploited elsewhere."

Todd Wright, director of the federal Savannah River National Laboratory
near Aiken, said the state has a strong research team including a half
century of experience with hydrogen at the Savannah River Site, the
National Science Foundation-designated fuel cell research center at USC
and Clemson University's International Center for Automotive Research
at Greenville.

Savannah River already is working with automakers to solve the problems
with generating and storing hydrogen fuels, and BMW plans to bring
about two dozen cars fueled by both gasoline and hydrogen to the United
States.

Some of them will be tested out of the company's facilities near Greer,
said BMW Manufacturing spokesman Bobby Hitt.

Eeyore wrote:
> EXT wrote:
>
>
> Hydrogen is the least 'green' fuel ever imagined.
>
> It makes fossil fuels look highly environmentally sound.
>
> Graham

Eeyore

2006-12-20, 9:25 pm

lkgeo1 wrote:

> wrong again jackass, try hydro produced hydrogen:

There's nothing 'green' whatever by taking the most expensively produced electrical
energy and then instantly throwing away most of its value by turning it into
hydrogen.

Graham

just_ed53spam@yahoo.com

2006-12-21, 9:25 am

lkgeo1 wrote:
> wrong again jackass, try hydro produced hydrogen: Legislation aims to
> lure research cos.

We can consume all the hydro power we can ever produce without having
to waste any by storage as hydrogen. Making hydro hydrogen is a
complete waste of energy causing the burning of additional fossil fuels
to make up for that waste.

lkgeo1 is the jackass, and is off topic in .homepower as usual.

lkgeo1

2006-12-23, 5:25 pm

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just_ed53spam@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> lkgeo1 is the jackass, and is off topic in .homepower as usual.

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