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| Ray Zorblade 2006-02-14, 5:21 pm |
| Because I have seen a similar situation with oil 25 yrs ago
With gas prices rising at almost twice the cost of electricity I have
started to think
Apart from installation costs, a gas system can attract a £200 pa
maintenance charge
A day off work to wait in for repair guy
This only lasts for about 10 yrs max as the boiler is deemed too old.
Then £2000ish to replace
Even without a special night meter and storage devices, I have started to
think
Could individual timed convectors work out cheaper over a ten yr period?
little or no moving parts,
no black art repairs,
has anyone done the sum?
It seems to me that the only calculations are the bills compared to last
year and not an overall cost of running, maintaining, repairing, and
replacing
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| meow2222@care2.com 2006-02-15, 12:21 pm |
| Ray Zorblade wrote:
> Because I have seen a similar situation with oil 25 yrs ago
>
> With gas prices rising at almost twice the cost of electricity I have
> started to think
>
> Apart from installation costs, a gas system can attract a =A3200 pa
> maintenance charge
>
> A day off work to wait in for repair guy
>
> This only lasts for about 10 yrs max as the boiler is deemed too old.
>
> Then =A32000ish to replace
Lets get those more realistic. =A350 a year safety test, a day off work
if youre at work every day of every week, boiler life of 25 years, then
around =A31000 to replace it.
> Even without a special night meter and storage devices, I have started to
> think
>
> Could individual timed convectors work out cheaper over a ten yr period?
no
> little or no moving parts,
>
> no black art repairs,
>=20
> has anyone done the sum?
are you being that lazy?
NT
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| meow2222@care2.com 2006-02-15, 12:21 pm |
| Ray Zorblade wrote:
> Because I have seen a similar situation with oil 25 yrs ago
>
> With gas prices rising at almost twice the cost of electricity I have
> started to think
>
> Apart from installation costs, a gas system can attract a =A3200 pa
> maintenance charge
>
> A day off work to wait in for repair guy
>
> This only lasts for about 10 yrs max as the boiler is deemed too old.
>
> Then =A32000ish to replace
Lets get those more realistic. =A350 a year safety test, a day off work
if youre at work every day of every week, boiler life of 25 years, then
around =A31000 to replace it.
> Even without a special night meter and storage devices, I have started to
> think
>
> Could individual timed convectors work out cheaper over a ten yr period?
no
> little or no moving parts,
>
> no black art repairs,
>=20
> has anyone done the sum?
you mean you haven't.
NT
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| Ray Zorblade 2006-02-15, 3:21 pm |
|
Lets get those more realistic. £50 a year safety test, a day off work
if youre at work every day of every week, boiler life of 25 years, then
around £1000 to replace it.
I had forgotton about the saftey test
A maintainance contract is on average £17.50 pm, they will not cover one
over 10 yr old and many companies cease to provide spare parts after 10 yrs,
the boiler I was quoting was a floor standing condensing combi at £1250 plus
fitting, I work mon/sat as do most repair centers.
I asked about the sum thinking someone might have already done it, I will
now set about producing some figures
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| meow2222@care2.com 2006-02-15, 6:21 pm |
| Ray Zorblade wrote:
> Lets get those more realistic. =A350 a year safety test, a day off work
> if youre at work every day of every week, boiler life of 25 years, then
> around =A31000 to replace it.
>
> I had forgotton about the saftey test
> A maintainance contract is on average =A317.50 pm,
rip off
> they will not cover one
> over 10 yr old
good, you cant waste your money on it then.
> and many companies cease to provide spare parts after 10 yrs,
yes but other companies will still provide parts for them.
> the boiler I was quoting was a floor standing condensing combi at =A31250=
plus
> fitting,
I guess it all depends, some are 500, some thousands.
> I work mon/sat as do most repair centers.
yeah  In fairness though, most people dont work sat, so they wont
havhe to pay the extra day off.
> I asked about the sum thinking someone might have already done it, I will
> now set about producing some figures
Good! 
17.50pcm =3D =A3210/year.
Per boiler life time of 25 yrs thats =A35250. And thats just an
maintenance contract!! One would have to be rather mathematically
challenged to buy such a thing.
NT
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| Ray Zorblade 2006-02-16, 8:21 am |
| Thankyou for your valued input
<meow2222@care2.com> wrote in message
news:1140040727.827750.47310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Ray Zorblade wrote:
> Lets get those more realistic. £50 a year safety test, a day off work
> if youre at work every day of every week, boiler life of 25 years, then
> around £1000 to replace it.
>
> I had forgotton about the saftey test
> A maintainance contract is on average £17.50 pm,
rip off
> they will not cover one
> over 10 yr old
good, you cant waste your money on it then.
> and many companies cease to provide spare parts after 10 yrs,
yes but other companies will still provide parts for them.
> the boiler I was quoting was a floor standing condensing combi at £1250
plus
> fitting,
I guess it all depends, some are 500, some thousands.
> I work mon/sat as do most repair centers.
yeah In fairness though, most people dont work sat, so they wont
havhe to pay the extra day off.
> I asked about the sum thinking someone might have already done it, I will
> now set about producing some figures
Good!
17.50pcm = £210/year.
Per boiler life time of 25 yrs thats £5250. And thats just an
maintenance contract!! One would have to be rather mathematically
challenged to buy such a thing.
NT
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| Reaper 2006-02-16, 10:21 am |
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<meow2222@care2.com> wrote in message
news:1140040727.827750.47310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Ray Zorblade wrote:
> Lets get those more realistic. £50 a year safety test, a day off work
> if youre at work every day of every week, boiler life of 25 years, then
> around £1000 to replace it.
>
> I had forgotton about the saftey test
> A maintainance contract is on average £17.50 pm,
rip off
> they will not cover one
> over 10 yr old
good, you cant waste your money on it then.
> and many companies cease to provide spare parts after 10 yrs,
yes but other companies will still provide parts for them.
> the boiler I was quoting was a floor standing condensing combi at £1250
plus
> fitting,
I guess it all depends, some are 500, some thousands.
> I work mon/sat as do most repair centers.
>yeah In fairness though, most people dont work sat, so they wont
>havhe to pay the extra day off.
here are millions who do
heating engineers??
postal
shops
taxi
bus
train
airport and flight
pub
resturant
police
fire
ambulance
NHS biggest employer in uk
bank
road maintance
gym staff
library
call centers
customer services
garages
petrol stations
vehicle recovery
traffic managment
newsagents
security staff
car showrooms
telecom
gas
electric
water
radio
tv
tourist offices
leisure industy, parks,visitor centers
delivery staff
factory shift workers
funeral directors
photographers
newspaper staff
car parks
musicians
recording studios
cleaners
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| Innovate808 2006-02-17, 7:21 am |
| We wend completely electric, with some very nice electric radiators from
Caladou, these work out at an overall bill for the winter months of £300 per
quarter (for 2 quarters) then £100 for the other 2 quarters, making the
annual cost of power, heat, water and everything of £800 per year.
Our alternative was to go for LPG or Oil Combi since we're off grid (no gas
supply) and if you take everything into account, you'll find that this
option is cheaper, cleaner, and much less wasteful than any other form of
heating.
Electric heaters put almost all their energy into your room, unlike any
other 'burning fuel' heating system that puts 33% of it up the vent!!, how
stupid is that??. We don't need to pay for Oil/LPG deliveries, we don't need
a ruddy great tank outside, and we don't need a maintenance contract.
To make things even more attractive we installed a wind turbine and we've
connected this to the grid, so the bills are even more offset. The above
figures were taken before we had the turbine, these have since reduced to
£400 per year, with the free power fro the turbine...
Beat that!!!
"Ray Zorblade" <zzzzzzzz@zzzzzzzz.com> wrote in message
news:43f27bbc@news.greennet.net...
> Because I have seen a similar situation with oil 25 yrs ago
>
> With gas prices rising at almost twice the cost of electricity I have
> started to think
>
> Apart from installation costs, a gas system can attract a £200 pa
> maintenance charge
>
> A day off work to wait in for repair guy
>
> This only lasts for about 10 yrs max as the boiler is deemed too old.
>
> Then £2000ish to replace
>
> Even without a special night meter and storage devices, I have started to
> think
>
> Could individual timed convectors work out cheaper over a ten yr period?
>
> little or no moving parts,
>
> no black art repairs,
>
> has anyone done the sum?
>
> It seems to me that the only calculations are the bills compared to last
> year and not an overall cost of running, maintaining, repairing, and
> replacing
>
>
>
>
>
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| Ray Zorblade 2006-02-17, 10:21 pm |
|
"Reaper" <hah@hoho.co.uk> wrote in message
news:j-ednXi7jPrCHGneRVnyiw@brightview.co.uk...
>
> <meow2222@care2.com> wrote in message
> news:1140040727.827750.47310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Ray Zorblade wrote:
>
>
> rip off
>
>
> good, you cant waste your money on it then.
>
>
> yes but other companies will still provide parts for them.
>
>
> plus
>
> I guess it all depends, some are 500, some thousands.
>
>
>
> here are millions who do
> heating engineers??
> postal
> shops
> taxi
> bus
> train
> airport and flight
> pub
> resturant
> police
> fire
> ambulance
> NHS biggest employer in uk
> bank
> road maintance
> gym staff
> library
> call centers
> customer services
> garages
> petrol stations
> vehicle recovery
> traffic managment
> newsagents
> security staff
> car showrooms
> telecom
> gas
> electric
> water
> radio
> tv
> tourist offices
> leisure industy, parks,visitor centers
> delivery staff
> factory shift workers
> funeral directors
> photographers
> newspaper staff
> car parks
> musicians
> recording studios
> cleaners
>
You have missed a few
priests, religous leaders
footballers and sportsmen
associated staff
hairdressers
hotel staff
IT consultants
beautitians
registrars
customs and exise
actors
lifeguards
city refuse staff
vets
farm workers
garden centers
weather office
I would love to know just what job NT does, to assume "most people" don't
work on a Saturday? when one third of the british workforce do!!
>17.50pcm = £210/year.
>Per boiler life time of 25 yrs thats £5250. And thats just an
>maintenance contract!! One would have to be rather mathematically
>challenged to buy such a thing.
It has been stated that no one wants to
cover a boiler more than ten years old, so this statment is incorrect
>
>
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| Elsie Dee 2006-02-18, 8:21 am |
|
>yeah In fairness though, most people dont work sat, so they wont
>havhe to pay the extra day off.
Do boilers only breakdown on saturdays? or is that the only day the repairs
are done?
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| meow2222@care2.com 2006-02-18, 9:21 am |
| Ray Zorblade wrote:
> "Reaper" <hah@hoho.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:j-ednXi7jPrCHGneRVnyiw@brightview.co.uk...
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> I would love to know just what job NT does, to assume "most people" don't
> work on a Saturday? when one third of the british workforce do!!
If 1/3 of the British workforce works on Saturday, then most people
dont work on Saturday. Ya?
Also most households contain more than one person, meaning likelihood
of an adult being home on Sat is higher than 2/3.
As a rough guess, if we say average 2 adults per household, and
probability of Saturday working independant, we'd fine that 1/3x1/3 =3D
only one in 9 households have no-one avilable to be home on saturday.
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> It has been stated that no one wants to
> cover a boiler more than ten years old, so this statment is incorrect
that doesnt even begin to make sense. Sorry, but it doesnt.
NT
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| Ray Zorblade 2006-02-19, 9:21 am |
| apology accepted
<meow2222@care2.com> wrote in message
news:1140267725.829202.89850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> It has been stated that no one wants to
> cover a boiler more than ten years old, so this statment is incorrect
that doesnt even begin to make sense. Sorry, but it doesnt.
NT
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| Mary Fisher 2006-02-23, 10:21 am |
|
"Reaper" <hah@hoho.co.uk> wrote in message
news:j-ednXi7jPrCHGneRVnyiw@brightview.co.uk...
>
> <meow2222@care2.com> wrote in message
> news:1140040727.827750.47310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Ray Zorblade wrote:
>
>
> rip off
>
>
> good, you cant waste your money on it then.
>
>
> yes but other companies will still provide parts for them.
>
>
> plus
>
> I guess it all depends, some are 500, some thousands.
>
>
>
> here are millions who do
> heating engineers??
> postal
> shops
> taxi
> bus
> train
> airport and flight
> pub
> resturant
> police
> fire
> ambulance
> NHS biggest employer in uk
> bank
> road maintance
> gym staff
> library
> call centers
> customer services
> garages
> petrol stations
> vehicle recovery
> traffic managment
> newsagents
> security staff
> car showrooms
> telecom
> gas
> electric
> water
> radio
> tv
> tourist offices
> leisure industy, parks,visitor centers
> delivery staff
> factory shift workers
> funeral directors
> photographers
> newspaper staff
> car parks
> musicians
> recording studios
> cleaners
Mothers. And they're not even paid for it.
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