Alternative Power sources - Re: OT: this is why ideology/ideologues suck

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Re: OT: this is why ideology/ideologues suck

john fernbach

2006-02-20, 12:21 pm

H2-PV -- I love your eco-politics, I agree with them entirely, but do
you need to insult the other side? Because I don't think it's
effective.

I have no idea whether Gunner has "handicaps and defects" or is a shill
for the coal and oil industry, or what his problem is. I somehow
doubt that he's actually "incompetent in .. cognitive abilities," as
you claim in your post. I think he may be a coal industry apologist
with plenty of cognitive abilities, but also with a hidden agenda.

But in any case I don't think you help the green/renewable energy
movement -- our side -- to be more credible or more attractive when you
engage in "ad hominem" attacks on Gunner. Or when you attack the
mental abilities -- rather than the bad arguments -- of any other
fossil fuel apologist.

Please don't get me wrong, H2-PV. It's wonderful that you're trying to
clobber these people in debate. They deserve to be clobbered, in fact
their whole arguments deserve to be demolished, because they're dead
wrong. If the American political elite and the voters heed their BS
apologies for greenhouse gas buildup as usual, we're all going to be
"dead" wrong, too.

But let's demolish their bad logic, skewed facts and deliberate lies --
not call them names.

Name-calling just doesn't prove our case -- not as effectively as it
needs to be proved, and in a fashion that will attract the public to
the logic of the green position. With truth on our side, and no
particular economic biases to skew our thinking, we can afford to
maintain the debate at a high, scrupulously honest intellectual level.
The fossil fuel people really can't. So let's be completely polite,
and scrupulously honest, and give them every benefit of the doubt --
and destroy their excuses for the inexcusable.

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"We strive not against men, but against principalities and powers ...."
-- St. Paul

"Only the truth is revolutionary."
-- Antonio Gramsci, "The Prison Diaries"

wmbjk

2006-02-20, 4:21 pm

wmbjk

2006-02-20, 5:21 pm

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:09:05 +0000, Guido <reuters@nospam.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:01:39 GMT, wmbjk <wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>I'm still waiting for the coward to email me his nasty virus that he
>said broke his plonker a month or so ago.

And I'm waiting for the results of the "investigation" he was going to
do into the $150 a month that his weekend welding was supposedly
costing. Gunner and OJ, hot on their respective trails.... :-)

Wayne

Gunner

2006-02-25, 5:21 am

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:04:09 -0600, "Jeff McCann"
<NoSpam@NoThanks.org> wrote:

>
>"wmbjk" <wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>news:ii6kv1555ud4gaouj3u6dd3r6o8rtd0so4@4ax.com...
>who,
>a
>
>My apologies. It was my faulty memory, Sorry.
>
>Jeff
>
Jeff..they are both dicks..interchangable fucktards. Dweebs.
Nebbishes. Armchair warriors. Shit for brains. Pond scum.

Shrug... it really wasnt a mistake on your part. They are
intechangable shitforbrains.

Shrug

Gunner

"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

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