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Sean

2007-04-15, 3:25 am

I'm in the process of building a new home and have been investigating
using a Geothermal HVAC system instead of the traditional Natural Gas
power systems in my area. I live in the Chicago Midwest region of the
US. The home that we are building is a 4000 sq ft and located in a
region that has very dense clay like soil about 3 feet down. Our home
will be a prairie home with 3ft overhanging eves and will be all brick
on the exterior ... It is aligned lengthwise East to West and has a lot
of trees on the South side to shade the home in the summer. We are only
now at finalizing the architecture of the home and haven't signed with
a builder yet. I am investigating insulation and HVAC options and had a
few questions that I thought this forum could help out with.

I contacted a local geothermal installer and he said that sight unseen
he would estimate my needs at an 8 ton install with 2 zoned units. He
didn't mention how much loop I would need but I assume it would be
around 150ft x 8 tons correct? He suggested that I don't use
traditional fiberglass insulation and instead look into cellulose or
thermal-crete insulation as an option to get the most bank for my buck
with the geothermal unit. Given the fact that he said he could give a
more detailed estimate with a plat survey and plans does this ballpark
sound about right? He also mentioned a 2x cost over traditional HVAC.
This i was prepared for but I obviously want to make as educated a
decision as I can. I was talking with a builder about a high efficiency
HVAC system similar to the Carrier Infinity Heating and Cooling System.

What I can't seem to find much information online about (beyond
marketing hype) is:

1. What are the maintenance costs of a geothermal unit like? Obviously
there's an HVAC installer/repair person on every corner. In the event
of repair what can I expect in terms of turnaround and costs (i.e.
general wear and tear)? What about repair of the loops themselves? I
was looking at a horizontal closed loop installation.

2. What is the comfort factor like, seriously ... the temperatures as
you all know have been fluctuating a lot lately from 0F in the winter
to 100F in the summer. My wife is concerned (amongst other things)
about the comfort of the unit through the seasons. How does it compare
to traditional HVAC systems?

3. Will I need traditional auxiliary installed HVAC units for backup or
emergency? Are the electric coils I hear about sufficient to heat an
entire home on backup? What about summer cooling backup?

Obviously the less I depend on electric / gas the more I can save which
is one of the goals here. The other being environmental impact but I
really don't want to start a debate about that.

If anyone can offer some insight or some better RTFM links beyond the
marketing hype I would appreciate it. I've read a lot of sites but very
few seem to address the negatives of the geothermal units. I know there
are certainly horror stories but I guess I'd like to hear about some
real life experiences with them and get a better understanding of what
I'd be getting into if I go this route.

Thank you for the help!!!

Sean

David.B.Buss@gmail.com

2007-04-16, 9:25 am

Sean,

If you would like to contact me by e-mail, I would be glad to answer
your questions and give you some more adivce about installers and
service people in your area.

Thanks,

Dave




On Apr 14, 11:58 pm, Sean <epicy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm in the process of building a new home and have been investigating
> using aGeothermalHVAC system instead of the traditional Natural Gas
> power systems in my area. I live in the Chicago Midwest region of the
> US. The home that we are building is a 4000 sq ft and located in a
> region that has very dense clay like soil about 3 feet down. Our home
> will be a prairie home with 3ft overhanging eves and will be all brick
> on the exterior ... It is aligned lengthwise East to West and has a lot
> of trees on the South side to shade the home in the summer. We are only
> now at finalizing the architecture of the home and haven't signed with
> a builder yet. I am investigating insulation and HVAC options and had a
> few questions that I thought this forum could help out with.
>
> I contacted a localgeothermalinstaller and he said that sight unseen
> he would estimate my needs at an 8 ton install with 2 zoned units. He
> didn't mention how much loop I would need but I assume it would be
> around 150ft x 8 tons correct? He suggested that I don't use
> traditional fiberglass insulation and instead look into cellulose or
> thermal-crete insulation as an option to get the most bank for my buck
> with thegeothermalunit. Given the fact that he said he could give a
> more detailed estimate with a plat survey and plans does this ballpark
> sound about right? He also mentioned a 2x cost over traditional HVAC.
> This i was prepared for but I obviously want to make as educated a
> decision as I can. I was talking with a builder about a high efficiency
> HVAC system similar to the Carrier Infinity Heating and Cooling System.
>
> What I can't seem to find much information online about (beyond
> marketing hype) is:
>
> 1. What are the maintenance costs of ageothermalunit like? Obviously
> there's an HVAC installer/repair person on every corner. In the event
> of repair what can I expect in terms of turnaround and costs (i.e.
> general wear and tear)? What about repair of the loops themselves? I
> was looking at a horizontal closed loop installation.
>
> 2. What is the comfort factor like, seriously ... the temperatures as
> you all know have been fluctuating a lot lately from 0F in the winter
> to 100F in the summer. My wife is concerned (amongst other things)
> about the comfort of the unit through the seasons. How does it compare
> to traditional HVAC systems?
>
> 3. Will I need traditional auxiliary installed HVAC units for backup or
> emergency? Are the electric coils I hear about sufficient to heat an
> entire home on backup? What about summer cooling backup?
>
> Obviously the less I depend on electric / gas the more I can save which
> is one of the goals here. The other being environmental impact but I
> really don't want to start a debate about that.
>
> If anyone can offer some insight or some better RTFM links beyond the
> marketing hype I would appreciate it. I've read a lot of sites but very
> few seem to address the negatives of thegeothermalunits. I know there
> are certainly horror stories but I guess I'd like to hear about some
> real life experiences with them and get a better understanding of what
> I'd be getting into if I go this route.
>
> Thank you for the help!!!
>
> Sean



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