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$30 per gallon? (was: Gasoline price gouging)

Fritz Wuehler

2007-05-23, 9:25 pm

"copperhead" <copperhead365@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The real issue is that we need to wake up and change the way we think
>here in the good old USA.

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You can say that again! But the motivation to "wake up" or "change"
is always only ego and avarice. There is no other motivating factor,
unless God Himself intervenes and _forces_ the battle of Armageddon
(with the Mother of all tribulations!) to utterly annihilate nearly
this entire empire, consuming all previous three with her, sparing
her crumbling walls, but precious little of her blood & substance.

Otherwise forget it. The oil giants, banks, political shills, etc.
own and control all the Lawyers, Guns and Money. Whereas, Serfdom
own and control relatively next to nothing. Serfdom is *powerless*,
apart from the pen and prayer. That's all Serfdom has going for it.

That's why it would be very good if the price of gasoline goes up
permanently ten times what it is today over the summer, and stays
that way well-after the 2008 US Presidential election. Understand?

Ex-Republican,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

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Dan Bloomquist

2007-05-24, 9:25 am

Fritz Wuehler wrote:

> "copperhead" <copperhead365@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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> You can say that again!

Say it as often as you would like. Does it change anything???

Chris.B

2007-05-24, 9:25 am

On May 24, 7:33 am, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:
>
> Say it as often as you would like. Does it change anything???

Not if your audience is composed entirely of those monitoring trolls
on these apparently random Usenet groups.

Yesterday's local retail price for 92 leadfree in N.Europe was $7.20
per US gal (equiv) and rising daily.

Yet: (not surprisingly) : http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petr..._home_page.html

You can fool 50% of the American people all of the time.

(And that's all I need)

G.W."Burning" Bu$h. (2007)

Genaro

2007-05-24, 9:25 am

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:40:08 +0200, Fritz Wuehler wrote:

>
> "copperhead" <copperhead365@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
> You can say that again! But the motivation to "wake up" or "change"
> is always only ego and avarice. There is no other motivating factor,
> unless God Himself intervenes and _forces_ the battle of Armageddon
> (with the Mother of all tribulations!) to utterly annihilate nearly
> this entire empire, consuming all previous three with her, sparing
> her crumbling walls, but precious little of her blood & substance.
>
> Otherwise forget it. The oil giants, banks, political shills, etc.
> own and control all the Lawyers, Guns and Money. Whereas, Serfdom
> own and control relatively next to nothing. Serfdom is *powerless*,
> apart from the pen and prayer. That's all Serfdom has going for it.
>
> That's why it would be very good if the price of gasoline goes up
> permanently ten times what it is today over the summer, and stays
> that way well-after the 2008 US Presidential election. Understand?
>
> Ex-Republican,
> Daniel Joseph Min
> http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
>
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You make a very good point in support of the notion that nothing will
change without motivation. The events of 9/11 should have been enough to
signal the need for change, and in many respects it did. But after 5.5
years the inevitable complacency takes us over and those at the top are
more than happy to take advantage of it.

In today's world a democracy can no longer be all things to all people,
although it is trying like hell. The minor annoyances of the past have
become threatening and destructive on a larger scale. Perhaps when we
begin to see our oil refineries, water supplies, power plants, schools,
military bases, etc., come under attack, we will then see ego and avarice
transformed into cooperation and compromise.. hopefully for a long time
after the elections next year.
-------

SFTVratings

2007-05-24, 9:25 am

On May 24, 5:47 am, "Chris.B" <chri...@mail.dk> wrote:
>
> Yesterday's local retail price for 92 leadfree in N.Europe was $7.20
> per US gal (equiv) and rising daily.

That's because European nations charge $4.00-4.50 in gasoline taxes.
In the United States the gas tax is only 50-60 cents.

It's the TAX that makes the difference.

Without the tax, Europeans and Americans would pay approximately the
same amount.

SBC Yahoo

2007-05-24, 1:25 pm

On Wednesday, some House Democrats visited an Exxon station on Capitol Hill
that has become a backdrop whenever lawmakers want to call attention to
their efforts on gas prices. And in a memo to fellow Democrats, Senate
Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada urged them to talk about the energy
legislation during the recess.

The democratic congress also blamed the bush Administration for allowing the
oil companies to merge. This just goes to show how big of a Moron the
Dimocrats are. The CLINTON administration approved the merger of Exxon and
Mobile, to form the largest oil company in the world. There is a economic
efficiency to be had when large oil companies search for, and develop oil
reserves. Smaller companies find it difficult to compete. Even the ones
that successfully do, get gobbled up by the larger companies, looking to add
new reserves to their company. But then, no Dimocrat ever understood
economics, if they did, they would become a Republican.

Oil companies prefer to deal with a reasonable Republican Administration.
The price of gas has risen steadily since the Dimocrats took over the House
and Senate. Perhaps if they were gone, the prices would drop?
When the Dimocrats took over Congerss, gas was around $2/gallon. Now, after
6 months of their leadership, it is $3.50 going to $4 and above. And all
they can do is blame the Bush Administration . . . . . And hold meetings at
the Exxon Station . . . . Just goes to show smoking crack kills billions of
brain cells.

I can afford to fill up my 12 mile per gallon truck, but many have
problems. I did not vote Dimocratic, they did. So I dont feel sorry for
them. . . . . .

"Genaro" <genaro@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.24.12.54.21.495921@cablespeed.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:40:08 +0200, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>
> -------
> You make a very good point in support of the notion that nothing will
> change without motivation. The events of 9/11 should have been enough to
> signal the need for change, and in many respects it did. But after 5.5
> years the inevitable complacency takes us over and those at the top are
> more than happy to take advantage of it.
>
> In today's world a democracy can no longer be all things to all people,
> although it is trying like hell. The minor annoyances of the past have
> become threatening and destructive on a larger scale. Perhaps when we
> begin to see our oil refineries, water supplies, power plants, schools,
> military bases, etc., come under attack, we will then see ego and avarice
> transformed into cooperation and compromise.. hopefully for a long time
> after the elections next year.
> -------
>

William Dryden

2007-05-25, 3:25 am

"SBC Yahoo" <atilla.the.hun@liberals.suck.net> wrote in message
news:81j5i.6516$4Y.2419@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> On Wednesday, some House Democrats visited an Exxon station on Capitol
Hill
> that has become a backdrop whenever lawmakers want to call attention to
> their efforts on gas prices. And in a memo to fellow Democrats, Senate
> Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada urged them to talk about the energy
> legislation during the recess.
>
> The democratic congress also blamed the bush Administration for allowing
the
> oil companies to merge. This just goes to show how big of a Moron the
> Dimocrats are. The CLINTON administration approved the merger of Exxon
and
> Mobile, to form the largest oil company in the world. There is a economic
> efficiency to be had when large oil companies search for, and develop oil
> reserves. Smaller companies find it difficult to compete. Even the ones
> that successfully do, get gobbled up by the larger companies, looking to
add
> new reserves to their company. But then, no Dimocrat ever understood
> economics, if they did, they would become a Republican.
>
> Oil companies prefer to deal with a reasonable Republican Administration.
> The price of gas has risen steadily since the Dimocrats took over the
House
> and Senate. Perhaps if they were gone, the prices would drop?
> When the Dimocrats took over Congerss, gas was around $2/gallon. Now,
after
> 6 months of their leadership, it is $3.50 going to $4 and above. And all
> they can do is blame the Bush Administration . . . . . And hold meetings
at
> the Exxon Station . . . . Just goes to show smoking crack kills billions
of
> brain cells.
>
> I can afford to fill up my 12 mile per gallon truck, but many have
> problems. I did not vote Dimocratic, they did. So I dont feel sorry for
> them. . . . . .
>
If you are going to misspell Democratic, do it correctly. It's Demoncratic.

Jim E

2007-05-27, 3:25 am

"SFTVratings" <SFTVratings_troy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180012720.654634.75680@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 24, 5:47 am, "Chris.B" <chri...@mail.dk> wrote:
>
>
> That's because European nations charge $4.00-4.50 in gasoline taxes.
> In the United States the gas tax is only 50-60 cents.
>
> It's the TAX that makes the difference.
>
> Without the tax, Europeans and Americans would pay approximately the
> same amount.
>
>

Ain't socialism grand?

Jim E

David Williams

2007-05-27, 3:25 am

-> > Without the tax, Europeans and Americans would pay approximately the
-> > same amount.
-> >
-> >

-> Ain't socialism grand?

European governments charge high gas taxes partly to raise money, but
also to persuade people to drive efficient vehicles, thereby reducing
the amount of oil that has to be imported from the Middle East, etc..
The tax money goes around in the economy, paying for stuff that would
otherwise have to be paid for in some other way. The net result for the
country is that it spends less on imported oil, so the overall
financial situation is improved.

If that's socialism, then yes it's grand. But it isn't.

dow

Eeyore

2007-05-27, 9:25 am

David XXXXXXXX wrote:

> -> > Without the tax, Europeans and Americans would pay approximately the
> -> > same amount.
>
>
> -> Ain't socialism grand?
>
> European governments charge high gas taxes partly to raise money, but
> also to persuade people to drive efficient vehicles, thereby reducing
> the amount of oil that has to be imported from the Middle East, etc..
> The tax money goes around in the economy, paying for stuff that would
> otherwise have to be paid for in some other way. The net result for the
> country is that it spends less on imported oil, so the overall
> financial situation is improved.
>
> If that's socialism, then yes it's grand. But it isn't.

Non-socialist European governments are equally happy to tax petroleum products
as much as socailist ones.

Graham

Steve Cothran

2007-05-27, 1:25 pm

>
>Non-socialist European governments are equally happy to tax petroleum products
>as much as socailist ones.

Well, the money to buy all those cctv cameras to spy on the subjects
has to come from somewhere.

Giving our (U.S.) government that kind of cash to play with would be a
disaster of unimaginable proportion.

BradGuth

2007-05-27, 1:25 pm

On May 24, 5:54 am, "Genaro" <gen...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:40:08 +0200, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------
> You make a very good point in support of the notion that nothing will
> change without motivation. The events of 9/11 should have been enough to
> signal the need for change, and in many respects it did. But after 5.5
> years the inevitable complacency takes us over and those at the top are
> more than happy to take advantage of it.
>
> In today's world a democracy can no longer be all things to all people,
> although it is trying like hell. The minor annoyances of the past have
> become threatening and destructive on a larger scale. Perhaps when we
> begin to see our oil refineries, water supplies, power plants, schools,
> military bases, etc., come under attack, we will then see ego and avarice
> transformed into cooperation and compromise.. hopefully for a long time
> after the elections next year.
> -------- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Our current motivation as based upon our extensively incest cultivated
arrogance, greed and bigotry, of causing as much collateral damage and
carnage of the innocent that's sitting on top of all that Muslim oil,
as such isn't exactly working according to plan, is it. Our having
ignored the renewable energy alternatives has our shorts in a serious
bind around our private parts, and we're still in the process of doing
down the tubes, along with our badly skewed actions and perverted
mindset having pissed off more than half the world in the process.

On May 23, 1:21 pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
<anonym...@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:[color=darkred]
> "copperhead" <copperhead...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The "good old USA" is summarily screwed, blued and tattooed itself by
the likes of Exxon, ENRON and that of our born-again resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush). Essentially, we're mostly mainstream status quo
infomercial snookered, and thus having been easily dumbfounded past
the point of return. Therefore, independent thinking as based upon
any deductive reasoning is simply out of the question, if not a touch
lethal.

Notice how all of Usenet's damage control spooks and moles of the
Jewish and/or Exxon mindset don't give a tinkers damn as to how spendy
fuel and whatever other energy gets, and notice how that very same
Jewish borg collective mindset also doesn't give a tinkers damn about
salvaging any part of our badly failing environment, that is unless
such efforts directly benefits their offshore bank accounts. I think
it's some kind of Old Testament policy thing (similar to their having
put Christ on a stick), such as what created most all of those
previous wars, and the big one of WWIII to come as a direct result of
their actions focused upon global energy domination over all that's
fossil and yellowcake.

Technically, a global average of $.01/kwhr per end-user energy cost is
doable, and mostly (greater than 50%) renewable at that.
-
Brad Guth
-
"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

Genaro

2007-05-27, 8:25 pm

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>
> Our current motivation as based upon our extensively incest cultivated
> arrogance, greed and bigotry, of causing as much collateral damage and
> carnage of the innocent that's sitting on top of all that Muslim oil,
> as such isn't exactly working according to plan, is it. Our having
> ignored the renewable energy alternatives has our shorts in a serious
> bind around our private parts, and we're still in the process of doing
> down the tubes, along with our badly skewed actions and perverted
> mindset having pissed off more than half the world in the process.
>
> On May 23, 1:21 pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
> <anonym...@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> The "good old USA" is summarily screwed, blued and tattooed itself by
> the likes of Exxon, ENRON and that of our born-again resident LLPOF
> warlord(GW Bush). Essentially, we're mostly mainstream status quo
> infomercial snookered, and thus having been easily dumbfounded past
> the point of return. Therefore, independent thinking as based upon
> any deductive reasoning is simply out of the question, if not a touch
> lethal.
>
> Notice how all of Usenet's damage control spooks and moles of the
> Jewish and/or Exxon mindset don't give a tinkers damn as to how spendy
> fuel and whatever other energy gets, and notice how that very same
> Jewish borg collective mindset also doesn't give a tinkers damn about
> salvaging any part of our badly failing environment, that is unless
> such efforts directly benefits their offshore bank accounts. I think
> it's some kind of Old Testament policy thing (similar to their having
> put Christ on a stick), such as what created most all of those
> previous wars, and the big one of WWIII to come as a direct result of
> their actions focused upon global energy domination over all that's
> fossil and yellowcake.
>
> Technically, a global average of $.01/kwhr per end-user energy cost is
> doable, and mostly (greater than 50%) renewable at that.
> -
> Brad Guth
> -
> "whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell
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Your frustration with arrogance, greed, and bigotry contained within the
U.S. is duly noted. I too am apalled at what I see every day in today's
society and government. I suppose a percentage of it is one of the side effects of
being a capitalist nation where anyone can rise to mover and shaker
status. I also believe a percentage of it can be placed on those who are
bitter/jealous with the U.S. for being the best example of how so many
different peoples can coexist as neighbors. I venture to say that most of
us here in the good old USA love each other, or perhaps tolerate each
other so long as we pull our weight and raise our children responsibly. I
don't thing that's too much to ask of people living in a country that
started out as an experiment and has turned out to be the most powerful,
most respected country on the planet.

Sure, polls can be posted and criticisms advanced but among the major
countries of the world, we are the country that has been most successful
in a short period of time at presenting to the world the most
compassionate and most prosperous way to conduct itself as a society on
the face of the earth. We welcome all religions here. They are free to
worship their own God. Which of the Muslim countries can claim the same?
We may remove Muslims from airplanes because they're acting peculiarly but
we don't shoot them down on site as they do Christians in some Muslim
countries.

Sure, you can cite many mistakes the U.S. has made over the years but you
have to remember we are the experiment. We are the melting pot struggling
with how to be all things to all people. Not a simple ambition to be sure.

To say that our current motivation is based upon our extensively incest
cultivated arrogance, greed and bigotry is not only one-sided, it is
false. The United States of America is a much better country than you
believe it to be. I would ask you to please reconsider.
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no spam

2007-05-29, 9:25 am

>-> > Without the tax, Europeans and Americans would pay approximately the
> -> > same amount.
> -> >
> -> >
>
>
> -> Ain't socialism grand?
>
> European governments charge high gas taxes partly to raise money, but
> also to persuade people to drive efficient vehicles, thereby reducing
> the amount of oil that has to be imported from the Middle East, etc..
> The tax money goes around in the economy, paying for stuff that would
> otherwise have to be paid for in some other way. The net result for the
> country is that it spends less on imported oil, so the overall
> financial situation is improved.
>
> If that's socialism, then yes it's grand. But it isn't.

IOW, they use the tax system to control the people. What's the difference
between that and the way China uses tanks?

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