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beemerwanker at his finest

George Ghio

2007-07-03, 9:25 am

Well beemerwanker, I’m glad they gave you your computer back. That detective was very nice. Although
I was surprised that you asked him to get in touch with me for a character reference. Of course I
told him that you were truly a character but doubted that you could hack anything other than a
finger. He was of the same opinion.

But that is not why I am writing. My mission now is to share a web site, that I came across, with
the readers in these groups.

People will not believe this site, it is a piss-cutter. Of course they will have to be quick, as I
have a feeling it will disappear quite soon.

The url is <http://www.northernmichigansolar.com/>

But, be warned people, grab a handful of tissues, you will need them to wipe the tears of laughter
away so you can see the sights.

This site is the epitome of Self-Delusion and Self-Aggrandisement Syndrome.

If you open the site you can follow this tour of mirth.

Start with the home page and scroll down to near the bottom of the page where you will find a small
box with the heading
“How I test”

It reads as follows:

“Look, using testing equipment is all well and good but those spec sheets don't mean squat if you
can't run YOUR stuff for as long as you want to. So what I do (so you don't have to) is get the
equipment (batteries, inverters, solar panels) and put what I run on it. Usually about 30-50 watts
at 12 volts or a few amps draw. You know, turning lights on and off, running a computer (a laptop)
and whatnot.”

By the time we get through with the tour of this site it will be clear that this is just deluded
self aggrandisement.

So let’s go the the page “A trip to the cabin”. What hoot Pics of the highway and dead trees.
Christ almighty, what possessed this person to even waste the time. Then at the bottom are his
attempts at art.

Next stop,”Xantrex Charge Controller” where we are treated to this little bit of wisdom

“My new charge controller is here. This is Xantrex C12, a 25 amp version of their C controllers.
This particular model features Pulse Wave Modulation (PWM) charging. It has field settings for bulk
charging, absorption charging and float charging. It also has settings for automatic equalization
(or it can be done manually by pushing a switch). Unique to the C12 is a feature that will turn on
12 volt lights at night, what they call the "nite-lite" feature.”

“Unique” he says, what a load of old cobblers. Plasmatronics has had this feature for as long as
their PL series have been on the market.

Next “Death of a battery” This page might be of value if it weren't for the fact that none of the
equipment mentioned would ever be considered for a serious home power system. Shit, most of what is
mentioned is automotive. The last, being the 75Ah alleged deep cycle battery. Hardly an item that
would be welcome in any serious home power supply.

Well let us move onto “About the system” perhaps there is some intelligent information here.

Nope, sorry if I got your hopes up. Starts off with parallel battery bank made up of two different
battery capacities and ages.

Look, here we have “Photos of my system” perhaps we can find some something useful here. My God!
This is unbelievable. Why would anybody bother to set up panels where they don’t even get sun on
them in the middle of the day.

Ah, here we go the “Battery bank set-up”, the heart of a system. Surely there must be something
worth the bandwidth here.

Oh shit, this is a joke, right? No I’m sorry. This is meant to be. It seems that the builder of this
system uses very badly trained rats to do his wood work. For bit of cheese they will chew wood into
shape. And why for gods sake is the inverter mounted in the battery box. And I would swear that the
rat that chewed the hole for the inverter was drunk at the time. It is clear that the picture of his
dock was taken after he did the repairs.

Well lets try “Battery wiring” and see if things improve. Things sure have gotten funnier. If you go
the the bottom of this page you will find “I've decided to do this” This being a link to a wiring
diagram, have a look at this wiring diagram, you will be amazed, astounded and laughing your XXX off.

Well here is an item that should yield some useful information, “Installation”. But wait what’s
this, there is a neat part to the whole shebang. This is what it says:

“The installation of the panels has is done! I installed them along the side of the cabin so they
get around 4 hours of sun a day. The panels at 90 watts will charge the battery bank from around 65
- 70% charge to over 90% over the course of the solar day. Herre's the neat part. In the afternoon,
there's another 2 hours of sun. But the panels face south. So, I have two reflectors that reflect
the sunlight for this time of day only that boosts the output by 20% to within 30% of direct sun
output. For final topping off, I use a small generator. This generator is a 1000 watt output
connected to a Vector smartcharger.”

Come on! If the panels were in the correct position there should be no time when they are in shade
or require reflectors to work. This is, after all in the northern hemisphere and it is claimed that
the panels face south.

And it gets even funnier than that. As can be seen there is a fan that runs off a separate battery,
Why is this?

Then there is the section “Household current” What the hell is actually being run here.

Then to top it all off the poster says he is not going to pay the phone company. Well I ask you, who
provides the cell phone service if not a telco?

“Wiring the cabin” is our next stop. And what do we find?

2 Sets of HF toy panels and the real source of the cabins energy supply, a 1000 watt 110 volt, 10
amp 12 volt gen set.

Next “Appliances for cabins” This is what the man says;

“I now run my 12 volt fans from a 20 amp hour gel battery; this lasts for 4 days before the battery
needs charging.”

“Some of the appliances that I purchase are 12 volt or propane. For instance, for ventilation and
cooling in the summer, I purchased a fan that runs either on 12 volts of D cells or battery bank
power. The solar charge controller I got has outputs and adaptors for 12 volts direct from the
battery bank.”

“Our lighting consists of two voltages of the same type. I use Compact Fluorescent 12 volt bulbs (5
watts each x 4), 2 from the battery bank and 2 from a small AGM battery. For brighter light, I use
General Electric Compact Fluorescent bulbs, which are the best; they use the least power and provide
rated light. I've tried several brands but GE seems to be the way to go.”

“My stove is a 2 burner with a grill from Harbor Freight. This works either off of a 20 lb or
standard small propane bottle. Currently, for heating water, I use a pan on the stove. Plans are to
build a solar water heater and plumb it into a small water heater that uses propane”

“The current television that I have is a small 12 inch that uses 20 watts to start and 10 while
running, sometimes dropping below 10 watts.”

“By now you're probably wondering about our well. Well, we don't have one. I store a few hundred
gallons of water on site and transport it as needed. The reasoning is simple (to me); when the home
was first built the water table was 20 feet. Now it's almost 90 feet because every idiot that builds
up here just starts pumping as much water as they can from the ground.”

By now you are probably wondering what the hell this guy is on about.

Separate batteries for fans,

Separate batteries for lights

It would appear that his system won’t run anything without extra batteries that are, we are left to
guess, either recharged from the gen set or taken home and charged from the mains.

Honestly, given the laughable state of the whole installation, from the pathetic wood work, through
to the total lack of design, it is painfully obvious that the owner is well out of his depth.

Remember this from the home page?

“Look, using testing equipment is all well and good but those spec sheets don't mean squat if you
can't run YOUR stuff for as long as you want to. So what I do (so you don't have to) is get the
equipment (batteries, inverters, solar panels) and put what I run on it. Usually about 30-50 watts
at 12 volts or a few amps draw. You know, turning lights on and off, running a computer (a laptop)
and whatnot.”

Absolute top notch comedy. A not to be missed site. So come along and laugh yourself shitless.

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Tony Wesley

2007-07-03, 1:25 pm

George,

How's it compare to your website?

Vaughn Simon

2007-07-03, 5:25 pm

"George Ghio" <ghio@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote in message
news:468a22ac$0$16295$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Well beemerwanker, I’m glad they gave you ...

Boring!

Vaughn

George Ghio

2007-07-03, 8:25 pm

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "George Ghio" <ghio@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:468a22ac$0$16295$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
> Boring!
>
> Vaughn
>
>
Now that is very unfair. How could you call his site boring. It is some of the best comedy on the net.

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George Ghio

2007-07-03, 8:25 pm

Tony Wesley wrote:
> George,
>
> How's it compare to your website?
>
First of all my site is not on topic for these groups.

Second, beemerwankers workmanship can be compared to mine at;

<http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/GGhio/>

Third, beemerwankers workmanship as presented on his site is representative of his ability.

Example: Claims that panels face south. If this is true then the Reflectors would be facing north.

Truth is that the panels were placed incorrectly in the first place

Example: Inverter mounted in corrosive environment.

Not exactly an intelligent decision by ant stretch of the imagination.

Example: Separate batteries to run fans and some lights.

You would have to be joking. Doesn't his system work that he needs to run things off batteries that
he takes home again to recharge?

The man is deluded.

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wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

2007-07-03, 8:25 pm

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:50:01 -0000, Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>
wrote:

>George,
>
>How's it compare to your website?

That begs a different question - is it even possible to do anything
worse than Ghio? Let's experiment by running the first 3 sentences of
Max's site through Google's translation software. English to Chinese
and back, twice. We get this -
*************
"We welcome the solar cabin! All power from solar panels and batteries
banks and photographs, Our Solar Power Module. Topping off the battery
charging generators. This is the so-called hybrid systems."
*********
Doesn't make much sense, but as we can see here
http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm, the nitwit is capable
of much worse on every level. Yet for some bizarre reason he *still*
believes he has some well-hidden talent that entitles him to judge
others, and which would make somebody somewhere take him seriously.
The mind boggles.

BTW, did I call it or what? wmbjk, June 30/2007 "I predict that the
scorned Ghinius will now furiously apply his riter and soler traning
to a new Magna Carta."

Max, check your site logs. Don't be surprised if an Australian viewer
stayed connected for every waking minute of the last 3 days. If the
connection kept coming and going it probably coincided with refilling
his generator's fuel tank. :-)

Wayne

George Ghio

2007-07-03, 8:25 pm

This from another deluded wannabe. wayne copied his system from a magazine, found it did not meet
his needs and kept throwing panels at it until he could run the loads he required, well, at least
during daylight hours. And still has no idea what his load is.

Let's not forget that wayne also built his house, well, again this is a delusion on his part. When
questioned on the truth of this claim it turned out that the house was actually built by sub
contractors and wayne claimed to be the general contractor. When the floor cracked, wayne blamed the
sub contractor. The truth is that the general contractor is responsible for the quality of all work
done by the sub contractors.

To be fair though, wayne's system is installed quite well, but to be honest wayne also has no idea
what it does.

It does beg the question of who actually installed waynes system.

wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:50:01 -0000, Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> That begs a different question - is it even possible to do anything
> worse than Ghio? Let's experiment by running the first 3 sentences of
> Max's site through Google's translation software. English to Chinese
> and back, twice. We get this -
> *************
> "We welcome the solar cabin! All power from solar panels and batteries
> banks and photographs, Our Solar Power Module. Topping off the battery
> charging generators. This is the so-called hybrid systems."
> *********
> Doesn't make much sense, but as we can see here
> http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm, the nitwit is capable
> of much worse on every level. Yet for some bizarre reason he *still*
> believes he has some well-hidden talent that entitles him to judge
> others, and which would make somebody somewhere take him seriously.
> The mind boggles.
>
> BTW, did I call it or what? wmbjk, June 30/2007 "I predict that the
> scorned Ghinius will now furiously apply his riter and soler traning
> to a new Magna Carta."
>
> Max, check your site logs. Don't be surprised if an Australian viewer
> stayed connected for every waking minute of the last 3 days. If the
> connection kept coming and going it probably coincided with refilling
> his generator's fuel tank. :-)
>
> Wayne

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Tony Wesley

2007-07-04, 3:25 am

On Jul 3, 7:06 pm, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
> Tony Wesley wrote:
>
>
> First of all my site is not on topic for these groups.

No. You're criticizing web sites, yours is fair game.

How does yours compares?

What the URL?

George, don't tell me you're going to run away?

George Ghio

2007-07-04, 3:25 am

Tony Wesley wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:06 pm, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
>
> No. You're criticizing web sites, yours is fair game.

No I am pointing out that self-deluded people can not see their own shortcomings. But others can.
beemerwanker is just about as deluded as one can get if he thinks his work is beyond that of a
dyslexic eight year old. The web site is fine and the content is a master piece of comedy. I
commented on the content, not the site.

>
> How does yours compares?

There is no comparison what so ever. No carpentry, solar, wiring, reflectors or batteries.

>
> What the URL?

The subject is off topic for this group.

>
> George, don't tell me you're going to run away?

Nah, walking away sedately, laughing my XXX off. You might think bw's site is a marvel and wish you
could do as well, but first you have to train the rat.

If you want to compare work then you can find some of mine at

<http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/GGhio/>

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Tony Wesley

2007-07-04, 9:25 am

On Jul 4, 2:38 am, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:

> No I am pointing out that self-deluded people can not see their own shortcomings. But others can.

George, couldn't agree with you more!

> If you want to compare work then you can find some of mine at
>
> <http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/GGhio/>

Do you have any photos of that rheostat?

wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

2007-07-04, 1:25 pm

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:23:16 -0000, Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 4, 2:38 am, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>George, couldn't agree with you more!
>
>
>Do you have any photos of that rheostat?

Since we're putting in requests, here are some things I'd like to see:
The 300k-300mm wire connected to an ohmmeter. The 35A generator bodge
that can take an 850Ah battery from low to full in 3 hours. The
loaves-and-fishes 5 gallon gas can that provides 350 miles of
motorcycle riding plus 2 weeks of generator, tractor, etc. The 8000kWh
propane bottle. The geostationary polar orbit satellite. The
camera-shy "work of art" building. The mountain of dead batteries. Oh,
and a shot of the faces of George's "course" instructors if they could
see the BS he posts here.

Wayne

George Ghio

2007-07-05, 9:25 am

Tony Wesley wrote:
> On Jul 4, 2:38 am, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> George, couldn't agree with you more!
>
>
> Do you have any photos of that rheostat?
>
It looks just like the one at the above url, except mine is over 40 years old.

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Tony Wesley

2007-07-05, 9:25 am

On Jul 5, 8:43 am, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
> Tony Wesley wrote:
>
>
>
> It looks just like the one at the above url, except mine is over 40 years old.

Odd. You've insisted for quite some time that 'On the front of this
rhostat it is clearly marked "150 Amps".'

wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

2007-07-05, 5:25 pm

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:17:42 -0000, Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 5, 8:43 am, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
>
>Odd. You've insisted for quite some time that 'On the front of this
>rhostat it is clearly marked "150 Amps".'

That would only be odd for a normal person. For Ghio it's classic
prevarication. Pine postulated that the rheostat might be 150 Ohms.
George denied that and cemented his nitwit-poser rep by trying to
cover up the bungling with the far more laughable 300k wire gibberish.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....0d1994dfda27b7.
Despite the denial, which he reinforced by writing that the resistance
was "too low", years later he busted himself even further by coming up
with yet another story - that the rheostat was both 150 Ohms (easily
ten times *higher* than he needed), *and* 150A.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....83bad4e33d314a.

It's all exactly what one would expect from somebody whose
incompetence is so permanent that it prevents him from grasping the
obvious - that if one isn't smart enough to make the original story
credible then he's an even bigger fool to try a cover up. Back to your
request - the Ghinius will keep right on weaseling, but the truth is
that the plug-in rheostat-further control-engine-alternator thing
would make a hideous and hilarious pic, which is why we'll never see
it or the "work of art" building, etc. Sincere posters get compliments
even on amateur work, but pretend "power consultants" have an image
<snorf> to protect. :-)

Wayne

George Ghio

2007-07-05, 8:25 pm

Tony Wesley wrote:
> On Jul 5, 8:43 am, George Ghio <g...@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
>
> Odd. You've insisted for quite some time that 'On the front of this
> rhostat it is clearly marked "150 Amps".'
>

Oh yes, it's true. Wayne and others love to point out this is not standard practice, but then I
never said it was.

But then, I did not make the rheostat in question. I did not define its rating. I salvaged it from a
very old spot welder. This has been stated several times and of course wayne and his sycophants have
felt that the truth should never be allowed to stand in the way of a good story.

You can make of it what you want. It doesn't matter a rats XXX to me. Anybody with two brain cells
that talk to each other can work out that the rheo's provenance might have something to do with the
way it is marked.

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wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

2007-07-05, 8:25 pm

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:19:29 +1000, George Ghio
<ghio@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:

>Tony Wesley wrote:
>
>Oh yes, it's true. Wayne and others love to point out this is not standard practice, but then I
>never said it was.
>
>But then, I did not make the rheostat in question. I did not define its rating. I salvaged it from a
>very old spot welder.

So what? Why did you deny that it was 150 Ohms, but later write in
plain English that it was? The application requires a few Ohms, so how
can the rheostat's resistance be both "too low", *and* 150 Ohms? Why
do you believe that it's a good idea to keep weaseling? You may as
well just post a photo of the thing as Tony asked and get the
embarrassment over with. Hook it to an ohmmeter before taking the
shot. Or keep being a spineless coward pretending that nobody will
notice.

Wayne

George Ghio

2007-07-05, 8:25 pm

wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:19:29 +1000, George Ghio
> <ghio@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> So what? Why did you deny that it was 150 Ohms, but later write in
> plain English that it was? The application requires a few Ohms, so how
> can the rheostat's resistance be both "too low", *and* 150 Ohms? Why
> do you believe that it's a good idea to keep weaseling? You may as
> well just post a photo of the thing as Tony asked and get the
> embarrassment over with. Hook it to an ohmmeter before taking the
> shot. Or keep being a spineless coward pretending that nobody will
> notice.
>
> Wayne
>
Let's see. A spineless coward. Mmmm.

Well yes I can see where you are coming from, So after all these years of being, not only a totally
incompetent booby, you now want to project you greatest personal fear on to me.

You put up a "Look at what I did website" and promoted it in these groups. When I asked, and quite
rightly, what you had actually done, you went totally bananas. The end result was your site was
entered into the world yoyo championships.

To date, you have been too afraid to define your system, simply because to do so would show that I
was correct in my assessment of it.

Then there is the question of why should I dismantle my generator just to take happy snaps for you.

Get Dorthy to hold your hand.

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wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

2007-07-05, 8:25 pm

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:51:59 +1000, George Ghio
<ghio@nobodyhome.com.au> wrote:

>wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

<sound of crickets chirping>
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<sound of crickets chirping>
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<sound of crickets chirping>
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<sound of crickets chirping>
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>Let's see. A spineless coward.

You're nothing if not predictable. Why are readers supposed to believe
that those who don't understand your contradictions are ignorant if
you can't explain them yourself? Why should anyone believe that
someone who makes a habit of such contradictions can possibly be
competent? Why do you start threads attacking others if you can't come
up with a credible explanation for your *own* bungling? What's the
point of the deception given that nobody believes your silly stories?

Wayne

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