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| Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient homes. And, as a
fellow inventor, I understand the use of patents quite well. But, when it
comes down to a patented concept that could do so much good to reduce the
increasing need for energy in heating and cooling homes, I sometimes wonder
if the greater good would not be served by some public or private program to
compensate the inventors and release it to the general public.
http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowI...68/Default.aspx
jim
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| Duane C. Johnson 2008-01-27, 3:25 am |
| Hi Jim;
jim <jim@home.net> wrote:
> Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient
> homes. And, as a fellow inventor, I understand the use
> of patents quite well. But, when it comes down to a
> patented concept that could do so much good to reduce
> the increasing need for energy in heating and cooling
> homes, I sometimes wonder if the greater good would not
> be served by some public or private program to
> compensate the inventors and release it to the general
> public.
> http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowI...68/Default.aspx
The Enertia patent has long ago expired, if one was ever
sought. Anyone can use the designs now as they are in the
public domain..
> jim
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| Eamils to them lead me to believe it was still patented, but a quick search
of the uspto reveals that you are right. Nothing shows up under Enertia at
all.
Thanks.
jim
"Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@redrok.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Jim;
>
> jim <jim@home.net> wrote:
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>
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> The Enertia patent has long ago expired, if one was ever
> sought. Anyone can use the designs now as they are in the
> public domain..
>
>
> Duane
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| JakTheHammer 2008-01-27, 3:25 am |
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"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message =
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> Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient homes. And, as =
a=20
> fellow inventor, I understand the use of patents quite well. But, =
when it=20
> comes down to a patented concept that could do so much good to reduce =
the=20
> I sometimes wonder=20
> if the greater good would not be served by some public or private =
program to=20
> compensate the inventors and release it to the general public.
> http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowI...68/Default.aspx
> jim=20
jim,
You must be Willie Smookie's brother or a friend of his, because you two =
think too high of yourselves. I checked your site, there is nothing new =
and extraordinary in what you dreamed there fucker. Get lost or get =
fucked in the poor economy. It all came down because of your Repuklican =
sending your jobs overseas. The Chinese beat you. Now crying or =
reinventing won't do any good.
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-01-27, 9:25 am |
| Duane C. Johnson <redrok@redrok.com> wrote:
>The Enertia patent has long ago expired, if one was ever
>sought. Anyone can use the designs now as they are in the
>public domain..
And IIRC, they tested their houses in months with outdoor temps above and
below 68 F to get amazing "dynamic R-values" :-) The Monolithic Dome people
and Polysteel seemed to do this too.
On a day with average exterior temp T, a 68 F concrete house with 2" R10
Styrofoam walls will lose or gain about |68-T|/R10 Btu/h. With min and max
temps Tmin and Tmax, a frame house in the same location with walls with
an equivalent R-value might lose (68-Tmin)/R all night and gain (Tmax-68)/R
all day, with an equivalent R-value of 5(Tmax-Tmin)/|68-T|.
Here is a list of US locations and equivalent R-values, based on NREL data:
location month Tmin T Tmax equivalent R-value
Philadelphia June 61.8 71.8 81.7 26.2
Phoenix, AZ April 55.3 69.9 84.5 76.8
Flagstaff July 50.5 66.3 81.9 92.3
Prescott June 49.9 67.2 84.5 216.3
Albuquerque September 55.2 68.6 81.9 222.5
San Diego October 60.9 67.7 74.6 228.3
Houston April 58.1 68.3 78.4 338.3
Ely, NV July 48.0 67.5 87.0 390.0
Colorado Springs August 55.2 68.3 81.3 435.0
Las Vegas October 54.3 68.3 82.1 463.3
Elkins, WV August 56.2 67.8 79.3 577.5
Bakersfield October 54.8 67.8 80.7 647.5
Rock Springs, WY July 52.8 68.0 83.1 infinite!
Nick
PS: It looks like Carmine Vasile's 1986 GFX patent has also expired.
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| GeekBoy 2008-02-04, 8:25 pm |
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"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message
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> Eamils to them lead me to believe it was still patented, but a quick
> search of the uspto reveals that you are right. Nothing shows up under
> Enertia at all.
>
Not to mention, that patents are for keeping people from copying and
reselling the ideas. Not from using it for your own use.
> Thanks.
>
> jim
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> "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@redrok.com> wrote in message
> news:479C114F.5020002@redrok.com...
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-02-05, 9:25 am |
| GeekBoy <nerd_revenge@nerdyfive.net> wrote:
>... patents are for keeping people from copying and
>reselling the ideas. Not from using it for your own use.
Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
without the patentholder's permission.
Nick
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| Anthony Matonak 2008-02-05, 9:25 am |
| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> GeekBoy <nerd_revenge@nerdyfive.net> wrote:
>
>
> Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
> without the patentholder's permission.
As I understand it, enforcement is a civil matter and left
up to the patent holder. This means that while it's illegal
to make and use it privately, it's usually unlikely that
the patent holder would ever find out.
Anthony
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-02-05, 9:25 am |
| Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
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>As I understand it, enforcement is a civil matter and left
>up to the patent holder. This means that while it's illegal
>to make and use it privately, it's usually unlikely that
>the patent holder would ever find out.
With likely minimal damages, in the event of a suit.
Nick
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| Duane C. Johnson 2008-02-05, 9:25 am |
| Anthony Matonak wrote:
> nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
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> As I understand it, enforcement is a civil matter and
> left up to the patent holder. This means that while
> it's illegal to make and use it privately, it's usually
> unlikely that the patent holder would ever find out.
It might be kind of hard to hide a house though!
> Anthony
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| zzbunker@netscape.net 2008-02-05, 1:25 pm |
| On Feb 5, 7:13=A0am, nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> GeekBoy <nerd_reve...@nerdyfive.net> wrote:
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> Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
> without the patentholder's permission.
But, that's also why people long ago invented digital computers,
lasers, fiber optics, CD,
robots, rockets, sattelites, solar energy, and square wheels and
said to
hell with idiots like patentholders.
>
> Nick
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| Solar Flare 2008-02-05, 8:25 pm |
| Demonstrate damages would be heard from the judge.
<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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> Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
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> With likely minimal damages, in the event of a suit.
>
> Nick
>
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| Solar Flare 2008-02-05, 8:25 pm |
| Most of the patents held today are bunk and could never be produced by
the holders. This contravenes the patent act and rules. The patent
office averages only 4-5 hours for each device or idea submitted.
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 7:13 am, nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> GeekBoy <nerd_reve...@nerdyfive.net> wrote:
>
> Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
> without the patentholder's permission.
But, that's also why people long ago invented digital computers,
lasers, fiber optics, CD,
robots, rockets, sattelites, solar energy, and square wheels and
said to
hell with idiots like patentholders.
>
> Nick
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| radium001@gmail.com 2008-02-25, 5:25 pm |
| As a now global civilization we are coming to the point where our
very survival will depend upon the technology that is currently locked
up in patents. Many of these are not being used for many different
reasons. Inventors tend to want to do it all themselves so they hold
on tight to their patents even though most of them never find the
capitol to implement them. If a technology is a threat to an existing
large industry it is often bought out and then shelved simply because
they have already invested billions in the old technology. The
military and spy agencies often buy out and classify inventions that
could revolutionize particular industries and sometimes the world. By
so doing, The often retard the development of the state of the art for
decades.Governmental organizations tend to use a patent that has a
broad range of potential applications for a single application and
then forgets about it. Even the few technologies that make it to
market are often applied in such a narrow way or on such a small scale
as to have little or no impact. What a waste!!!
Another way current patent law hurts the greater good is that
applications that require multiple patented technologies are often
impossible to implement because of either high legal overhead or the
fact that many patent holders often want it all and/or just won't play
ball.Patentes are often not commercializable on their own or are
better when be couple with other patented technologies.
If we are to survive we need to be able to use something like eminent
domain to open up energy technology to everyone, or have an "if you
don't use it you loose it" policy for all patents. Also patent hording
for "premium" markets should not be allowed. Anything that is not
mass produced for public consumption should be opened up to
competition. When that happens however, the patent holders should get
paid a % off the back end. We need to wake up and recongnize that
the simplistic technology ownership dynamics of yesteryear no longer
work in a rapidlyevolving global techiculture.
PS. I could not get your link to work.
On Jan 26, 9:00 pm, "jim" <j...@home.net> wrote:
> Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient homes. And, as a
> fellow inventor, I understand the use of patents quite well. But, when it
> comes down to a patented concept that could do so much good to reduce the
> increasing need for energy in heating and cooling homes, I sometimes wonder
> if the greater good would not be served by some public or private program to
> compensate the inventors and release it to the general public.
>
> http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowI...68/Default.aspx
>
> jim
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| Duane C. Johnson 2008-02-25, 5:25 pm |
| Hi Radium;
radium001@gmail.com wrote:
> As a now global civilization we are coming to the point
> where our very survival will depend upon the technology
> that is currently locked up in patents.
Really, please give us some examples. Examples where the
viable technology was suppressed and not allowed to do to
market.
> Many of these are not being used for many different reasons.
> Inventors tend to want to do it all themselves so they hold
> on tight to their patents even though most of them never
> find the capitol to implement them.
Well, be an investor and help them get the invention to
market. What are you waiting for?
Remember, all the information is there for all to read.
I can read it here:
http://www.google.com/patents
http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search
Why can't you read them.
If you want to pursue these ideas contact the patent holder
and make a deal.
> If a technology is a threat to an existing large industry
> it is often bought out and then shelved simply because
> they have already invested billions in the old technology.
That is not legally permitted. If you can show that a patent
holder is "shelving" an invention then the patent reverts to
the public domain. Then anyone can use it, even you.
> The military and spy agencies often buy out and classify
> inventions that could revolutionize particular industries
> and sometimes the world. By so doing, The often retard the
> development of the state of the art for decades.
Well at most 20 years. After that time the invention is in
the public domain and anyone can use it, even you.
> Governmental organizations tend to use a patent that has
> a broad range of potential applications for a single
> application and then forgets about it.
Maybe they forgot about it but you don't have to.
Just use it.
> Even the few technologies that make it to market are often
> applied in such a narrow way or on such a small scale
> as to have little or no impact. What a waste!!!
To whom? You could use the broader intent. Make a good
product and bring it to market. At worst case you will need
to pay royalties. I would be happy to pay royalties on a
product I'm making profits on. What's the problem?
Remember, the royalties are required to be reasonable, not
so high as to suppress the idea, that would not be legal.
> Another way current patent law hurts the greater good is
> that applications that require multiple patented technologies
> are often impossible to implement because of either high
> legal overhead or the fact that many patent holders often
> want it all and/or just won't play ball. Patents are often
> not commercializable on their own or are better when be
> couple with other patented technologies.
See above.
> If we are to survive we need to be able to use something
> like eminent domain to open up energy technology to everyone,
> or have an "if you don't use it you loose it" policy for all
> patents.
What's new, this is current law.
> Also patent hoarding for "premium" markets should not be
> allowed.
It isn't now, where have you been?
> Anything that is not mass produced for public consumption
> should be opened up to competition.
It is now, actually even better, the non developed patent is
open to anyone.
> When that happens however, the patent holders should get
> paid a % off the back end.
Not if they were attempting to sit on it. They just loose
the rights to it.
> We need to wake up and recognize that the simplistic
> technology ownership dynamics of yesteryear no longer work
> in a rapidly evolving global techiculture.
You are aware that patents from about 1988 and earlier are
now in the public domain don't you?
> PS. I could not get your link to work.
You should try this link:
http://www.enertia.com/
If a patent was sought, and I think one was granted, that
the time has run out and is now public domain
> On Jan 26, 9:00 pm, "jim" <j...@home.net> wrote:
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| Windsun 2008-02-26, 3:25 am |
| What a spamming idiot.
Just because something is patented does not mean that someone cannot make
it.
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<radium001@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> As a now global civilization we are coming to the point where our
> very survival will depend upon the technology that is currently locked
> up in patents. Many of these are not being used for many different
> reasons.
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-02-26, 9:25 am |
| Duane C. Johnson <redrok@redrok.com> wrote:
>
>That is not legally permitted. If you can show that a patent
>holder is "shelving" an invention then the patent reverts to
>the public domain. Then anyone can use it, even you.
Is there really such a law? Sounds hard to prove. Suppose a patent owner
simply demands a very high price for licenses, or decides to manufacture
the product exclusively? IIRC, RCA shelved some microwave semiconductor
patents for years in order to further sales of their klystrons. I would
guess that antitrust and restraint-of-trade laws do not apply to patented
inventions, which have a legal monopoly.
>Remember, the royalties are required to be reasonable, not
>so high as to suppress the idea, that would not be legal.
Our digital cellphone standards committees required voluntary agreements
on reasonable royalties from member companies as a condition of
participation, but that wasn't a legal requirement, and
the word "reasonable" was left vague.
Nick, Registered US Patent Agent
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-02-26, 9:25 am |
| Windsun <windsun@wind-sun.com> wrote:
>Just because something is patented does not mean that someone cannot make it.
Wrong. US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own use,
in your basement.
Nick
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| Anthony Matonak 2008-02-26, 9:25 am |
| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> Windsun <windsun@wind-sun.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wrong. US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own use,
> in your basement.
You're both right.
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't do it. 
Anthony
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Don't do the crime if you're not willing to do the time.
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| Bob Eld 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
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<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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> Windsun <windsun@wind-sun.com> wrote:
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>
> Wrong. US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own
use,
> in your basement.
>
> Nick
>
Please site the law that says that.
Patents are a civil matter and not apart of criminal law. Patents are
violated all of the time and it is up to the patent holder to seek civil
remedies if he feels his patent has been violated. There is nothing
automatic about it or anything the government or patent office will do to
rectify an infrigment. A patent simply grants the owner the right to the
invention but does not enforce that right.
There is not a patent ever been granted that cannot be circumvented by
changes in design, process or method. In fact one of the main purposes of
patents is to disseminate information and make public the state of the art.
We look at patents to see what others are doing.
Engineers and designers are often advised to never let an existing patent
interfere with their work, development or invention. In otherwords work on
what you want without regard to what others have done. If the invention
should proceed to manufacturing, the legal departments will sort out the
patent issues, obtain licenses or litigate as required. In otherwords let
the lawyers worry about it.
Its absurd to think that patents are holding back progress or great
inventions are being kept from the public.
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
| Bob Eld <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Please site the law that says that.
It starts with Article 1, section 8 of the US constitution, and continues
through Title 35, Part III, Chapter 28, Section 271, Paragraph (a) of
the US Code. Subsection (4) of Paragraph (d) says refusing to license
others, ie "shelving" is OK...
A patent grants a property right to the patent owner. "Trespassing"
without the owner's permission is illegal.
Nick
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| Buy_Sell 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
| You think that idea is great, have a look at this idea. Even NASA got
involved to help out with this project. These are commercially
available but it seems only for big industry. I envision this idea
being of use in every household across the planet. Can you image
getting steam heat from water in only 3 seconds by nothing more than
mechanical movement? It sounds impossible but do a bit of research
and you will see that this idea is for real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw
On Jan 26, 8:00 pm, "jim" <j...@home.net> wrote:
> Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient homes. And, as a
> fellow inventor, I understand the use of patents quite well. But, when it
> comes down to a patented concept that could do so much good to reduce the
> increasing need for energy in heating and cooling homes, I sometimes wonder
> if the greater good would not be served by some public or private program to
> compensate the inventors and release it to the general public.
>
> http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowI...68/Default.aspx
>
> jim
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| Bob Eld 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
|
<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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> Bob Eld <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It starts with Article 1, section 8 of the US constitution, and continues
> through Title 35, Part III, Chapter 28, Section 271, Paragraph (a) of
> the US Code. Subsection (4) of Paragraph (d) says refusing to license
> others, ie "shelving" is OK...
>
> A patent grants a property right to the patent owner. "Trespassing"
> without the owner's permission is illegal.
>
> Nick
>
Nowhere in any of those documents does it say that it is illegal to make
even one in your basement. Cite one case where tresspass law has been
applied to patents. Cite one case where patent grantees have not had to
pursue their rights and claims in the civil courts to gain a remedy for
infringment.
As I said you can make, copy or infringe all you want but it is up the the
patent owner to pursue his rights to the patent in the courts and the
remedies he gains are civil. Nothing prevents you from making, manufacturing
or even selling objects covered under anothers patent unless he prevails in
court against you. If he doesn't take it to court or if he loses in court,
you are not in any way prevented from infringing on his patent.
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| Windsun 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
| Uhm...
95% of all patents are used by someone OTHER than the patent holder.
I did not say it was free, I said that a patent did not prevent it from
being made.
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<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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> Windsun <windsun@wind-sun.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wrong. US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own
> use,
> in your basement.
>
> Nick
>
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| Dan Bloomquist 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
| Bob Eld wrote:
> <nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
> news:fq1gqn$fm@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
>
> Nowhere in any of those documents does it say that it is illegal to make
> even one in your basement. Cite one case where tresspass law has been
> applied to patents.
In Europe you can freely use patented material for non profit individual
use. In the U.S. the patent holder could litigate.
> Cite one case where patent grantees have not had to
> pursue their rights and claims in the civil courts to gain a remedy for
> infringment.
Probably won't find one as the cost of litigation is not worth the minor
infringement.
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
| Bob Eld <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>... Cite one case where tresspass law has been applied to patents.
No thanks. I'd rather argue with people who can spell :-)
Nick
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| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
| Windsun <windsun@wind-sun.com> wrote:
>... I said that a patent did not prevent it from being made.
But it does, without the patent owner's permission.
Nick
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| Bob Eld 2008-02-26, 5:26 pm |
|
"Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
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> Bob Eld wrote:
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>
> In Europe you can freely use patented material for non profit individual
> use. In the U.S. the patent holder could litigate.
>
>
> Probably won't find one as the cost of litigation is not worth the minor
> infringement.
Yep, the patent holder could litigate but the cost of litigation prevents
most trivial cases against minor infrignment. The point is that it is not
automatic nor is it a matter for criminal law, the district attorney or even
the patent office to uphold a patent. They don't care who infringes on whom,
it's up to the civil courts and only when a suit is filed.
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| Bob Eld 2008-02-26, 5:26 pm |
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<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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> Bob Eld <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
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use,[color=darkred]
continues[color=darkred]
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> No thanks. I'd rather argue with people who can spell :-)
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> Nick
Ha! Gotcha....Can't do it can ya.
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<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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| Windsun <windsun@wind-sun.com> wrote:
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| >... I said that a patent did not prevent it from being made.
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| But it does, without the patent owner's permission.
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That's the price of development and innovation.
In return for disclosure the world gains access to ideas that are archived
and can be expanded.
Without the patent system we would not have access to generic drugs or the
transistor among other technology.
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| <nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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| Windsun <windsun@wind-sun.com> wrote:
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| >Just because something is patented does not mean that someone cannot make
it.
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| Wrong. US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own
use,
| in your basement.
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| Nick
Cite?
BTW corporations all over the work do just that as part of a practice of
re-engineering.
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| daestrom 2008-02-27, 5:25 pm |
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
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> use,
> continues
>
> Yep, the patent holder could litigate but the cost of litigation prevents
> most trivial cases against minor infrignment. The point is that it is not
> automatic nor is it a matter for criminal law, the district attorney or
> even
> the patent office to uphold a patent. They don't care who infringes on
> whom,
> it's up to the civil courts and only when a suit is filed.
>
And IIRC, if the holder fails to pursue infringement litigation too often,
the courts have sometimes ruled that he's given up his rights to it. So a
small time inventor is 'damned if you do... damed if you don't'. If he
doesn't pursue widely known infringements, he usually can't change his mind
later on when someone like Microsoft or GE decide to start infringing.
daestrom
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| Sevenhundred Elves 2008-03-01, 9:25 am |
| Buy_Sell wrote:
> You think that idea is great, have a look at this idea. Even NASA got
> involved to help out with this project. These are commercially
> available but it seems only for big industry. I envision this idea
> being of use in every household across the planet. Can you image
> getting steam heat from water in only 3 seconds by nothing more than
> mechanical movement? It sounds impossible but do a bit of research
> and you will see that this idea is for real.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw
They say it's a perpetuum mobile, an over-unity machine. If it is, why
don't they use it to produce and sell energy? If it isn't, it is a
totally stupid idea to run a machine just to make heat.
S.
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| Solar Flare 2008-03-10, 1:25 pm |
| Here comes a blurred software programme to prove his new idea.
"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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> use,
> continues
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> Ha! Gotcha....Can't do it can ya.
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