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T.B.

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

ok, i have a pull cord light above my kitchen sink that I need to replace
with a regular light fixture that needs to be controlled by a switch. the
problem is that I can't get into the wall to access the wiring to make the
switch work properly. somewhere along the way, someone told me that I
could overcome this problem by using an x10 switch module to control the new
light fixture.

so my question is: will x10 work for me in this application? if so, what
components will I need and how do they install? i have found this product
http://www.smarthome.com/2031.html but don't know if it is what I need. is
there something that will need to go on the light itself? i'm confused and
haven't really found any good websites that address my specific questions.

thanks in advance,

TB in Austin


brobin

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

Need a bit more info please. Do I have this right? You have a light above
the sink that works now using a pull chain from the light fixture. So there
is power to the fixture. Is there a switch for that fixture already in place
but broken or no switch for the fixture anywhere, except for the pull chain?
If there's no wall switch now then you could use the following 3 items to
do what you want to do. These are all from www.x10.com:
http://www.x10.com/automation/lm15a_s.html This goes in the fixture. Screw
it into the bulb socket and scre the bulb into it.
http://www.x10.com/automation/ss13a_s.html This switch simply sticks on
the wall and can controll up to 3 lights with Dimming control.
http://www.x10.com/automation/tm751_s.html This plugs into any convenient
outlet and relays the signal from the switch to the fixture module.

"T.B." <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> ok, i have a pull cord light above my kitchen sink that I need to replace
> with a regular light fixture that needs to be controlled by a switch. the
> problem is that I can't get into the wall to access the wiring to make the
> switch work properly. somewhere along the way, someone told me that I
> could overcome this problem by using an x10 switch module to control the
> new
> light fixture.
>
> so my question is: will x10 work for me in this application? if so, what
> components will I need and how do they install? i have found this product
> http://www.smarthome.com/2031.html but don't know if it is what I need.
> is
> there something that will need to go on the light itself? i'm confused
> and
> haven't really found any good websites that address my specific questions.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> TB in Austin
>
>



T.B.

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm


"brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Need a bit more info please. Do I have this right? You have a light above
> the sink that works now using a pull chain from the light fixture. So

there
quote:

> is power to the fixture. Is there a switch for that fixture already in

place
quote:

> but broken or no switch for the fixture anywhere, except for the pull

chain?

there is no wall switch for the light above the sink. only the pull
chain.
quote:

> If there's no wall switch now then you could use the following 3 items to
> do what you want to do. These are all from www.x10.com:
> http://www.x10.com/automation/lm15a_s.html This goes in the fixture.

Screw
quote:

> it into the bulb socket and scre the bulb into it.
> http://www.x10.com/automation/ss13a_s.html This switch simply sticks on
> the wall and can controll up to 3 lights with Dimming control.
> http://www.x10.com/automation/tm751_s.html This plugs into any

convenient
quote:

> outlet and relays the signal from the switch to the fixture module.


this looks like what i need. thanks for clearing that up.
quote:

>
> "T.B." <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:11aqbkuic6g458c@corp.supernews.com...
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ceedub

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

"T.B." <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> "brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote in message
> news:Axare.43915$PR6.31039@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> there
> place
> chain?
>
> there is no wall switch for the light above the sink. only the pull
> chain.
>
> Screw
> convenient
>
> this looks like what i need. thanks for clearing that up.
> replace
> the
> the
> what
> product
> questions.
>


From what I gather, you need an inline module such as:

http://www.smarthome.com/2251ac.html

This could be mounted into the junction box above your current pullswitch
fixture. Below this, you would mount whatever standard light fixture you
wnat. Then to control this receiver, you need to have a transmitter
somewhere. X10 sells transmitters that look like wall switches. I don't know
much about them.

Craig


T.B.

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

>
quote:

> From what I gather, you need an inline module such as:
>
> http://www.smarthome.com/2251ac.html
>
> This could be mounted into the junction box above your current pullswitch
> fixture. Below this, you would mount whatever standard light fixture you
> wnat. Then to control this receiver, you need to have a transmitter
> somewhere. X10 sells transmitters that look like wall switches. I don't

know
quote:

> much about them.
>
> Craig
>
>

if i did purchase this inline module and install it in the J Box, would
it just control the one fixture above the sink, or could I use it in the
future
to control other lights, etc?


brobin

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

It would control only that fixture. Basically, you're putting the switch in
the jbox instead of at the bulb with the socket rocket.

"T.B." <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> know
> if i did purchase this inline module and install it in the J Box, would
> it just control the one fixture above the sink, or could I use it in the
> future
> to control other lights, etc?
>
>



Dave Houston

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

I would avoid the LM15A for this 'base-up' application. There have been
several reports of failures wherein the heat from the bulb melts the
adhesive used to hold the socket and the socket and bulb fall out. I would
only use these in lamps where the base is down (as shown on the LM15A web
page).

The older, screw-in lamp module did not have this problem (although
manufacturing techniques may have changed since I bought mine) and it has
better features (i.e. it's dimmable) and costs less but its wide body may
interfere with the pullchain should you want to retain its functionality.

http://www.x10.com/automation/sl575_s.html

"brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote:
quote:

>Need a bit more info please. Do I have this right? You have a light above
>the sink that works now using a pull chain from the light fixture. So there
>is power to the fixture. Is there a switch for that fixture already in place
>but broken or no switch for the fixture anywhere, except for the pull chain?
> If there's no wall switch now then you could use the following 3 items to
>do what you want to do. These are all from www.x10.com:
> http://www.x10.com/automation/lm15a_s.html This goes in the fixture. Screw
>it into the bulb socket and scre the bulb into it.
> http://www.x10.com/automation/ss13a_s.html This switch simply sticks on
>the wall and can controll up to 3 lights with Dimming control.
> http://www.x10.com/automation/tm751_s.html This plugs into any convenient
>outlet and relays the signal from the switch to the fixture module.
>
>"T.B." <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote in message
>news:11aqbkuic6g458c@corp.supernews.com...
>


brobin

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

Dave, Thanks for mentioning that, I hadn't heard about that issue. I only
have one and it's mounted sideways in a vent hood so I haven't had the
problem. I also only use a 40 watter in there so that probably helps too.

"Dave Houston" <nobody@whocares.com> wrote in message
news:42aec628.74495258@nntp.fuse.net...
quote:

>I would avoid the LM15A for this 'base-up' application. There have been
> several reports of failures wherein the heat from the bulb melts the
> adhesive used to hold the socket and the socket and bulb fall out. I would
> only use these in lamps where the base is down (as shown on the LM15A web
> page).
>
> The older, screw-in lamp module did not have this problem (although
> manufacturing techniques may have changed since I bought mine) and it has
> better features (i.e. it's dimmable) and costs less but its wide body may
> interfere with the pullchain should you want to retain its functionality.
>
> http://www.x10.com/automation/sl575_s.html
>
> "brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote:
>
>



Dave Houston

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

Someone posted here about going downstairs to their basement and finding
light bulbs shattered on the floor.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group...9e606d6ddce14ec

It may have merely been a poorly mixed a batch of the adhesive. X-10 may
since have fixed it or may have 'unfixed' the older, dimmable screw-in
module but it's something to be aware of.

I have one socket-rocket in a floor lamp so it's base down. I have three of
the dimmable ones in base-up configurations in closets and a walk-in pantry
in pull chain porcelain fixtures. All are OK after a few years use.

"brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote:
quote:

>Dave, Thanks for mentioning that, I hadn't heard about that issue. I only
>have one and it's mounted sideways in a vent hood so I haven't had the
>problem. I also only use a 40 watter in there so that probably helps too.
>
>"Dave Houston" <nobody@whocares.com> wrote in message
>news:42aec628.74495258@nntp.fuse.net...
>


Dave Houston

2005-06-16, 2:18 pm

Addendum:

I checked one of my dimmable screw-in modules. The socket and center contact
are attached to the plastic housing with rivets.

nobody@whocares.com (Dave Houston) wrote:
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>Someone posted here about going downstairs to their basement and finding
>light bulbs shattered on the floor.
>
>http://groups-beta.google.com/group...9e606d6ddce14ec
>
>It may have merely been a poorly mixed a batch of the adhesive. X-10 may
>since have fixed it or may have 'unfixed' the older, dimmable screw-in
>module but it's something to be aware of.
>
>I have one socket-rocket in a floor lamp so it's base down. I have three of
>the dimmable ones in base-up configurations in closets and a walk-in pantry
>in pull chain porcelain fixtures. All are OK after a few years use.
>
>"brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote:
>

Brett Griffin

2005-06-17, 11:31 pm

try this out: http://www.x10.com/automation/lm15a_s.html

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"T.B." <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote in message
news:11aqbkuic6g458c@corp.supernews.com...
quote:

> ok, i have a pull cord light above my kitchen sink that I need to replace
> with a regular light fixture that needs to be controlled by a switch. the
> problem is that I can't get into the wall to access the wiring to make the
> switch work properly. somewhere along the way, someone told me that I
> could overcome this problem by using an x10 switch module to control the
> new
> light fixture.
>
> so my question is: will x10 work for me in this application? if so, what
> components will I need and how do they install? i have found this product
> http://www.smarthome.com/2031.html but don't know if it is what I need.
> is
> there something that will need to go on the light itself? i'm confused
> and
> haven't really found any good websites that address my specific questions.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> TB in Austin
>
>



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