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| I will be moving in a few weeks, and want to do quite a bit of automation in
my new house. I have already built a dedicated server for HAL2000, which is
ready to go, and also plan to use Ocelots for a fair amount of sensing and
control.
In my current townhouse, I have some basic X10 devices (lamps and wall
switches), and the performance has been good, but not great. I have seen
the "X10 PRO" devices now being sold - are they really better than the
standard X10 on false signals, reliability etc?
I know UPB is better, but at prices between $70-$150 per device, that just
seems like a lot for all I want to do.
Thanks!
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| Brett Griffin 2005-07-03, 6:25 pm |
| When shopping for X-10 switches, finding a switch with a neutral will yield
greater reliability. In general X-10 Pro are better switches. It was
explained to me by the X-10 Manufacturer Sales guy in Vancouver, that X-10
is manufactured and packaged and 2 out of 10 are bad (there may be some
exaggeration as he was employed by X-10 Pro a separate entity under the X-10
umbrella and he did not get commission on X-10.) X-10 Pro were burned in
for 24 hours prior to packaging to verify operability, so the chances of a
bad switch with X-10pro are less likely.
Personally, I like the Leviton line of switches. They are decora style and
look nicer IMHO. Leviton in my experience was more reliable than X-10 or
X-10 Pro.
Leviton makes a newer Version of Decora Home Controls. Basically they have
two lines, the red line because of the red LED on the switch were made on
X-10 production line to Leviton spec, they contain an auto-gain control
circuit, to help in signal reception. The green line, for the green led, is
their current model manufactured in Leviton plants. they are nicer and some
model have a led bar on the side to show the dim levels when on or off.
Part numbers Leviton red-line
6383-W/I single and 3 way dimmer 500 watt
6291-W/I 15amp On/Off
16383 - 600w dimmer
MS00-r Slave for 3 ways
Green Line
HCM06 600 watt dimmer
HCS10 10 amp switch.
However the X-10 Pro will be cheaper. They function differently as well.
X-10 and X-10 Pro operate like a push button (including the decora style)
pressing cycle on and off. press and hold cycles dim and bright.
Leviton operate more instinctively press the top side of the rocker and it
turns on, hold it and it brightens. Pres the bottom and it turns off,
holding dims...
--
Brett Griffin, Home Technology Consultant
Architechtronics, Inc.
get to know home technology
p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484
*top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project
http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html
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"EdH" <ee@ee.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> I will be moving in a few weeks, and want to do quite a bit of automation
in
quote:
> my new house. I have already built a dedicated server for HAL2000, which
is
quote:
> ready to go, and also plan to use Ocelots for a fair amount of sensing
and
quote:
> control.
>
> In my current townhouse, I have some basic X10 devices (lamps and wall
> switches), and the performance has been good, but not great. I have seen
> the "X10 PRO" devices now being sold - are they really better than the
> standard X10 on false signals, reliability etc?
>
> I know UPB is better, but at prices between $70-$150 per device, that just
> seems like a lot for all I want to do.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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| Brett -
Thanks for the info. I had been looking at the Leviton also, but assumed
they were the same thing (just nicer looking) as X10 Pro.
Good to know they are better product. I may try a few out and see how it
does in the new place. All of them that I have seen are a 'Decro' (wide)
style switch - do you know if there are any that look close to a regular
switch?
Thanks again!
"Brett Griffin" <brett@architechtronics.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> When shopping for X-10 switches, finding a switch with a neutral will
> yield
> greater reliability. In general X-10 Pro are better switches. It was
> explained to me by the X-10 Manufacturer Sales guy in Vancouver, that X-10
> is manufactured and packaged and 2 out of 10 are bad (there may be some
> exaggeration as he was employed by X-10 Pro a separate entity under the
> X-10
> umbrella and he did not get commission on X-10.) X-10 Pro were burned in
> for 24 hours prior to packaging to verify operability, so the chances of a
> bad switch with X-10pro are less likely.
>
> Personally, I like the Leviton line of switches. They are decora style
> and
> look nicer IMHO. Leviton in my experience was more reliable than X-10 or
> X-10 Pro.
>
> Leviton makes a newer Version of Decora Home Controls. Basically they
> have
> two lines, the red line because of the red LED on the switch were made on
> X-10 production line to Leviton spec, they contain an auto-gain control
> circuit, to help in signal reception. The green line, for the green led,
> is
> their current model manufactured in Leviton plants. they are nicer and
> some
> model have a led bar on the side to show the dim levels when on or off.
>
> Part numbers Leviton red-line
> 6383-W/I single and 3 way dimmer 500 watt
> 6291-W/I 15amp On/Off
> 16383 - 600w dimmer
> MS00-r Slave for 3 ways
>
> Green Line
> HCM06 600 watt dimmer
> HCS10 10 amp switch.
>
> However the X-10 Pro will be cheaper. They function differently as well.
> X-10 and X-10 Pro operate like a push button (including the decora style)
> pressing cycle on and off. press and hold cycles dim and bright.
>
> Leviton operate more instinctively press the top side of the rocker and it
> turns on, hold it and it brightens. Pres the bottom and it turns off,
> holding dims...
> --
> Brett Griffin, Home Technology Consultant
>
> Architechtronics, Inc.
> get to know home technology
> p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484
>
> *top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project
> http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html
>
> **keep up on cutting-edge technology... join "the EDGE" for free at
> http://www.architectronics.com/edge.html
>
> "EdH" <ee@ee.com> wrote in message
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> in
> is
> and
>
>
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| Brett Griffin 2005-07-04, 4:25 am |
| The only switch to my knowledge that actually operates like a toggle is
Smarthome Togglelinc.
http://www.smarthome.com/23890w.html
They actually move up and down like a toggle switch but not a press button
that fits the toggle style faceplate.
--
Brett Griffin, Home Technology Consultant
Architechtronics, Inc.
get to know home technologyT
p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484
*top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project
http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html
**keep up on cutting-edge technology... join "the EDGE" for free at
http://www.architectronics.com/edge.html
"EdH" <ee@ee.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Brett -
>
> Thanks for the info. I had been looking at the Leviton also, but assumed
> they were the same thing (just nicer looking) as X10 Pro.
> Good to know they are better product. I may try a few out and see how it
> does in the new place. All of them that I have seen are a 'Decro' (wide)
> style switch - do you know if there are any that look close to a regular
> switch?
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
> "Brett Griffin" <brett@architechtronics.com> wrote in message
> news:0omdneCzzs6v3FXfRVn-vw@comcast.com...
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