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| Is there a good recycling newsgroup.
Or is that on-topic here?
I figure that after cleaning comes recycling so it is relevant, but
maybe there is a better ng for this.
Since I'm here, my current two questions are,
What to do when I find a nice tool, like water-pump pliers, that don't
work well. A cheap design, and probably cheaply made, and now only
works right in one position out of five. The other four slip back
into the first. I'm afraid a charity relacted thrift store will still
charge more than the thing is worth, and if I label it, "25 c" , I'm
afraid they'll still charge 2 dollars and cheat someone
unintentionally.
Are there any recyclable plastics that aren't labelled with that
3-arrow triangle, with the number inside. Like the bags for
vegetables at the supermarket,
and the tops of bubble packs (sometimes those are quite thick and have
a lot of plastic in them.)
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| On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:42:18 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
>Is there a good recycling newsgroup.
>
>Or is that on-topic here?
>
>I figure that after cleaning comes recycling so it is relevant, but
>maybe there is a better ng for this.
>
>Since I'm here, my current two questions are,
>
>What to do when I find a nice tool, like water-pump pliers, that don't
>work well. A cheap design, and probably cheaply made, and now only
>works right in one position out of five. The other four slip back
>into the first. I'm afraid a charity relacted thrift store will still
>charge more than the thing is worth, and if I label it, "25 c" , I'm
>afraid they'll still charge 2 dollars and cheat someone
>unintentionally.
If you have things you want to give away you can try an organization
called Freecycle. It's purpose is to gift others with items you wish
to keep out of landfills. You can go to www.freecycle.org and see if
there is one near you. If there isn't, it's pretty easy to start one.
I've given away *a lot* of items on ours.
>Are there any recyclable plastics that aren't labelled with that
>3-arrow triangle, with the number inside. Like the bags for
>vegetables at the supermarket,
>
>and the tops of bubble packs (sometimes those are quite thick and have
>a lot of plastic in them.)
These things, I'd probably drop off at our local recycling center.
Nan
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| Gregory Morrow 2005-10-11, 8:21 pm |
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mm wrote:
> Since I'm here, my current two questions are,
>
> What to do when I find a nice tool, like water-pump pliers, that don't
> work well. A cheap design, and probably cheaply made, and now only
> works right in one position out of five. The other four slip back
> into the first. I'm afraid a charity relacted thrift store will still
> charge more than the thing is worth, and if I label it, "25 c" , I'm
> afraid they'll still charge 2 dollars and cheat someone
> unintentionally.
It's obviously totally useless, so toss it...no one would want such a piece
of junk.
> Are there any recyclable plastics that aren't labelled with that
> 3-arrow triangle, with the number inside. Like the bags for
> vegetables at the supermarket,
>
> and the tops of bubble packs (sometimes those are quite thick and have
> a lot of plastic in them.)
With plastic, paper, and glass you are wasting your time trying to "recycle"
them - there is absolutely NO market for recycling these items, it's simply
not cost/energy - effective.
--
Best
Greg
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| Mrs Bonk 2005-10-11, 9:21 pm |
| Gregory Morrow wrote:
> mm wrote:
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> It's obviously totally useless, so toss it...no one would want such a
> piece of junk.
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> With plastic, paper, and glass you are wasting your time trying to
> "recycle" them - there is absolutely NO market for recycling these items,
> it's simply not cost/energy - effective.
There is a man who collects paper once a week at my street. He employs
someone to shred it and bag it, someone else to deliver it after it's been
'recycled', his wife is on the phone dealing with clients/making new
clients. That's three people earning a wage from paper rubbish plus the
bonus being some is eventually composted.
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| On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:50:45 GMT, Nan <nobodys@home.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:42:18 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
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>If you have things you want to give away you can try an organization
>called Freecycle. It's purpose is to gift others with items you wish
>to keep out of landfills. You can go to www.freecycle.org and see if
>there is one near you. If there isn't, it's pretty easy to start one.
>I've given away *a lot* of items on ours.
Thanks for your reply.
I'm not going to start one. I'm a good citizen, but a busy one.
I know plenty of places to give things to. There are loads of thrift
shops and I wouldn't even mind giving something to a profit-making
shop if I weren't worried they would over charge (I've seen that on
tv's)
I still could use an answer to my first question: Is this a fair
group to ask recycling questions, or is there one that specializes in
that.
But asking the question here directly helped me think of the answer in
this case. I have a friend, from ham radio swap meets, who usually
has a booth. If I give it to him and tell him it's only worth a
quarter, he won't charge more than that. I'll see him on the 29th.
Thanks. (Gregory, it does work fine and grips very firmly in one of
its 5 positions, and it might have some uses in the other four. If
someone doesn't have such a tool in his car's tool box, this would
certainly be worth adding, even though it wouldn't be right to charge
more than a quarter for it.)
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>These things, I'd probably drop off at our local recycling center.
There is no one present at my local recycling centers. If there were
, and if I separated the Yes from the Maybe, I don't know if they
would know if the Maybes were really Yeses. . I'm talking about
plastics that aren't labeled as recyclable. I would assume they
aren't , but someone on the net might know about certain things that
are.
Plastic grocery bags are collected at the grocery I usually go to.
We have curbside platic recycling for other recyclable plastic. This
is why I need a detailed answer, or I'll continue not to include
things that aren't labelled.
We also have curbside collection separately of paper, glass &, metal
cans, trash, and in the fall, yard waste. I'm sure they try to sell
everything but the plain trash; and the presence of a constant supply
helps a lot to create the presence of a constant demand. Their rules
on glass, cans, and paper are pretty clear, but I have the feeling
that a lot of the plastic I get is the same stuff as is labelled with
the triangle, just not labelled.
>Nan
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| On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:43:53 +0100, "Mrs Bonk" <arse@cutey.com> wrote:
>Gregory Morrow wrote:
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>There is a man who collects paper once a week at my street. He employs
>someone to shred it and bag it, someone else to deliver it after it's been
>'recycled', his wife is on the phone dealing with clients/making new
>clients. That's three people earning a wage from paper rubbish plus the
>bonus being some is eventually composted.
>
>
My cousin has a scrap business (and a bachelor's in history and a
master's in business from Wharton),
as did his father (my uncle) (even though he had a law degree with
honors (Order of the Coif) from a decent law school)
as did his father-in-law (not my grandfather**) who came to the US a
bit over 100 years ago with nothing.
They deal in metal, paper, and rags.
They've explained to me how the price of paper goes up and down. In
the past, it could go so low it wasn't worth buying (even though I
think they still had school paper collection and he might have bought
the paper just to keep old non-profit customers happy. I don't know,
but maybe now with more potential customers (not just paper makers)
**For the record, both my grandfathersalso came to the US with less
than 5 dollars and were junk men too. One was able to move up by
buying or opening a small grocery store, and the other bought or
opened a small hardware store.
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| 0tterbot 2005-10-12, 5:21 am |
| "mm"
ime, they normally undercharge for good stuff, they don't tend to overcharge
for rubbish :-) if you were genuinely concerned but still wanted to give it
(or similar) to an op shop, attach a note saying it only works in one of
five positions & leave it in the laps of the gods (or the op shop ladies ;-)
[color=darkred]
> I still could use an answer to my first question: Is this a fair
> group to ask recycling questions, or is there one that specializes in
> that.
there's one on my server called free.uk.environment.recycling, but i'm not
sure if that's of use to you or not.
> We also have curbside collection separately of paper, glass &, metal
> cans, trash, and in the fall, yard waste. I'm sure they try to sell
> everything but the plain trash; and the presence of a constant supply
> helps a lot to create the presence of a constant demand. Their rules
> on glass, cans, and paper are pretty clear, but I have the feeling
> that a lot of the plastic I get is the same stuff as is labelled with
> the triangle, just not labelled.
yes, it would be.
you would need to ask the council or whoever it is who organises the
kerbside pickups, because they are different from place to place. (in fact,
THEY should have told YOU what they collect - that's how it works here :-)
for example, where i live we put out _any_ rigid plastics, whether marked or
not, because recyclable plastics come in 15 varieties that i know of, and
they simply aren't always marked (yet). yet where i used to live, they'd
collect numbers 1 - 6 if marked (or obvious, such as p.e.t.). despite the
fact all 15 (or whatever it is... 16?) are recyclable, they had facilities
to deal with 1 - 6 but not the others. here they clearly are able to deal
with the others or able to pass them on to someone who can, or, cannot deal
with them all but don't want to miss any of the common plastics they _can_
recycle.
another difference, in my old city they collected green garden waste (so we
had a special bin for that) but here they don't - we must take it to the
place ourselves. and so on. ime all councils do as much (in terms of
collection & recycling) as they have facilities for & expand their list of
recyclables as they go, but there's no point putting something in for
collection if it's going to be rejected. you just have to work with the
rules as apply in your area at the moment - which we can't know. :-)
so, yes - any sensible person would concur that many things are recyclable,
however, you need to find out from the council (or whoever - i don't even
know if you have councils) what is accepted in your area.
kylie
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| Gregory Morrow 2005-10-12, 9:21 pm |
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Mrs Bonk wrote:
> There is a man who collects paper once a week at my street. He employs
> someone to shred it and bag it, someone else to deliver it after it's been
> 'recycled', his wife is on the phone dealing with clients/making new
> clients. That's three people earning a wage from paper rubbish plus the
> bonus being some is eventually composted.
Sounds rather "twee" to me...pray tell do you live in Teletubbie Land, Mrs.
B....???
--
Best
Greg
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| Mrs Bonk 2005-10-13, 7:21 pm |
| Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Mrs Bonk wrote:
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> Sounds rather "twee" to me...pray tell do you live in Teletubbie Land,
> Mrs. B....???
Actually, Gregory, my home area is quite close to Wallace and Gromit land.
Now do stop trolling me, there's a dear. Why don't you run along and play
with little Tinky Winky
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| Muvin Gruvin 2005-10-14, 2:21 am |
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| On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:13:13 -0700, QTQTQT@webtv.net (Muvin Gruvin)
wrote:
>then why does our garbage collector charge us for recycling these items?
>They even gave us special bins for plastic, newspaper, and one misc
>paper and one for plastic, tin cans and glass?
Because it's not included in some city budgets as a free service to
homeowners. If you pay for trash collection, you pay for the
recyclables pick up.
Nan
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| Gregory Morrow 2005-10-16, 10:21 pm |
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Muvin Gruvin wrote:
> then why does our garbage collector charge us for recycling these items?
> They even gave us special bins for plastic, newspaper, and one misc
> paper and one for plastic, tin cans and glass?
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> *Signatures By
> The Tired Lion*
Speaking of "garbage", get rid of the HTML signature. It's not
appropriate for Usenet...
--
best
Greg
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| Gregory Morrow 2005-10-16, 10:21 pm |
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Mrs Bonk wrote:
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Actually, Gregory, my home area is quite close to Wallace and Gromit land.
> Now do stop trolling me, there's a dear. Why don't you run along and play
> with little Tinky Winky
Tut tut Mrs. Bonk, I did not mean to cause you offence. I simply like
to engage in a bit of harmless japery now and again...
--
Best
Greg
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| SteveB 2005-10-16, 11:21 pm |
| > Muvin Gruvin wrote:[color=darkred]
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Sorry. I ain't gonna pay the trash company to haul off this stuff, and have
them make money by selling it, and me pay for it, AND separate it for them.
Ain't gonna happen on my watch.
My wife and I go round and round about this.
The local company has come up with an idea that they will provide separate
containers for different kinds of refuse. BUT they will only pick up once a
week. I live in Las Vegas where it gets 100+ for a week.
Do you know what week old chicken or fish or shrimp smells like after a week
in 100+ heat?
And some beancounter who makes $100k a year plus bennies came up with this
idea!
Recycling?
Can yew say money laundering?
I knewww you could.
Steve
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| Mrs Bonk 2005-10-19, 8:21 pm |
| Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Mrs Bonk wrote:
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> Tut tut Mrs. Bonk, I did not mean to cause you offence. I simply like
> to engage in a bit of harmless japery now and again...
Don't be silly Gregory. No offence was taken. I merely pointed out that my
home area is near where Wallace and Gromit are from. You HAVE heard of them
I assume, I read they were No 1 in America. Sadly a lot of their material
was lost in a fire in the SW recently.
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| Mrs Bonk 2005-10-19, 8:21 pm |
| SteveB wrote:
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> Sorry. I ain't gonna pay the trash company to haul off this stuff, and
> have them make money by selling it, and me pay for it, AND separate it
> for them.
> Ain't gonna happen on my watch.
>
> My wife and I go round and round about this.
>
> The local company has come up with an idea that they will provide separate
> containers for different kinds of refuse. BUT they will only pick up
> once a week. I live in Las Vegas where it gets 100+ for a week.
>
> Do you know what week old chicken or fish or shrimp smells like after a
> week in 100+ heat?
>
> And some beancounter who makes $100k a year plus bennies came up with this
> idea!
>
> Recycling?
>
> Can yew say money laundering?
>
> I knewww you could.
I thought recycling was for the good of the planet not for profit.
Maybe things are very different where you live.
I recycled a bed this week. I dismantled it and took it to my recycling
centre. We try to recycle everything possible. My local county council have
informed us that if land fill is not reduced considerably we shall be fined
by Europe. Then our taxes will rise and we pay enough tax as it is - so we
have to do our 'bit'.
As a matter of interest, there is a cone for recycling food, it is very safe
and there are no smells, it is partially buried so the waste from your plate
will go to feeding the land, that is an excellent way to recycle as you will
then have the benefit of the fertile soil.
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| 0tterbot 2005-10-20, 12:21 am |
| "Mrs Bonk" <arse@cutey.com> wrote in message
news:3ro038FkdenuU1@individual.net...
> SteveB wrote:
> I thought recycling was for the good of the planet not for profit.
well, it's actually both (based on recycling programs round the world).
something doesn't have to be a short-term monetary benefit in order to still
be a nett benefit (economic and otherwise) for everyone, but there's clear
monetary benefit to be had also - recyclables are a _resource_ like the mine
or tree they originally came from, they're not "garbage".
> Maybe things are very different where you live.
well, he claims to live in las vegas, so there's that :-)
i got the impression steve b. was saying he doesn't know how to wash out his
recyclables! (although how his recyclables always get full of seafood or
chicken is something of a mystery, when you think about it). beyond that,
why the garbage & recycling service coming only once a week is a "problem" i
can't really fathom. people who are bothered by food smells in their garbage
keep the smelly meat-based waste in the freezer for the week, and of course
composting the compostables is the obvious solution for other food waste.
how these two things could be insurmountably difficult when billions of
people do them every day quite easily, again, i don't know.
> I recycled a bed this week. I dismantled it and took it to my recycling
> centre. We try to recycle everything possible. My local county council
> have informed us that if land fill is not reduced considerably we shall be
> fined by Europe. Then our taxes will rise and we pay enough tax as it is -
> so we have to do our 'bit'.
regardless of that - the reality is a choice between taking some
responsibility for our own garbage, or being pushed out by landfill instead.
it doesn't take too much wit to see which is the preferable option. :-) (and
wallace and gromit would agree wholeheartedly ;-)
kylie
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| Superstud 2005-10-21, 10:21 pm |
| In article <3r82daFhvv48U1@individual.net>, arse@cutey.com says...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Actually, Gregory, my home area is quite close to Wallace and Gromit land.
> Now do stop trolling me, there's a dear. Why don't you run along and play
> with little Tinky Winky
>
lmao you old bat your the troll in here
we know brit speek for a tinky winky. AND he's a gay.
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SteveB
We don't own this planet. We're using it in trust for our future
generations.
Landfill areas have turned up 50 yr. old newspapers still readable.
Problem with smelly garbage? Even my brain-dead relative figured out
you FREEZE the scraps until time to put in the trash.
25 2-litre soda bottles make a fleece garment.
Yeah, it's worth the cost, the bother. Our disposal company invested
hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment to pick up and process
the recyclables. They're not going to make a fortune out of the
operation.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Joan
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| Muvin Gruvin 2005-10-25, 2:21 am |
| in my area there is no choice regarding recycling.....if one lives in
the city limit you pay whether you utilize the service or not.
RE: HTML was unaware html's are taboo.
Have seen many newsgroups that use them all the time.
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| On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:18:45 -0700, QTQTQT@webtv.net (Muvin Gruvin)
wrote:
>RE: HTML was unaware html's are taboo.
>Have seen many newsgroups that use them all the time.
On WebTv-newsgroups, HTML sigs are fine. Those are 'alt.discuss'
groups. On computer-only groups it is considered bad netiquette.
Nan
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| Muvin Gruvin 2005-10-25, 6:21 pm |
| this may sound stupid but how do I tell if I am in a webtv newsgroup or
a computer group.....as I do not see anything significant to draw ones
attention to which one. Never mind I see the difference now.
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| On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:05:22 -0700, QTQTQT@webtv.net (Muvin Gruvin)
wrote:
>this may sound stupid but how do I tell if I am in a webtv newsgroup or
>a computer group.....as I do not see anything significant to draw ones
>attention to which one. Never mind I see the difference now.
:-)
Webtv only groups begin with 'alt.discuss' in the group name.
Nan
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