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| rylan777@gmail.com 2006-04-16, 2:21 pm |
| I read the good things this newsgroup said about Curvco Steel Buildings
and was impressed enough when I called them to order a 25/24 foot
building. What I didn't find out until the plans arrived was that the
foundation it requires is very expensive and complicated to make. You
just can't lay a slab and bolt the building to it. You have to form a
4 inch trough for the building to sit in or pay an extra $2700 for
brackets that you can bolt to the foundation.
I paid them a $1,600 deposit I can't get back and I am looking at a
$5,000 foundation for a $5,000 building. I can't afford the double cost
and am going to loss my deposit and the chance to build a badly needed
storage building.
There is something wrong with a business that doesn't give you a good
faith estimate of what a building will cost in total.
Rylan
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| Budweiser 2006-04-16, 8:21 pm |
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<rylan777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145206476.354422.52850@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I read the good things this newsgroup said about Curvco Steel Buildings
> and was impressed enough when I called them to order a 25/24 foot
> building. What I didn't find out until the plans arrived was that the
> foundation it requires is very expensive and complicated to make. You
> just can't lay a slab and bolt the building to it. You have to form a
> 4 inch trough for the building to sit in or pay an extra $2700 for
> brackets that you can bolt to the foundation.
>
> I paid them a $1,600 deposit I can't get back and I am looking at a
> $5,000 foundation for a $5,000 building. I can't afford the double cost
> and am going to loss my deposit and the chance to build a badly needed
> storage building.
>
> There is something wrong with a business that doesn't give you a good
> faith estimate of what a building will cost in total.
>
> Rylan
>
Their web site is pretty specific about the foundations required
http://www.steelbuildingfactory.com/sbf_erection.html
What is so hard about creating a "slot" you could probably ignore the extra
fixing brackets and just grout the base in and or use normal rawlbolts to
secure or other readily available options.
I assume you are going to put a concrete slab inside the unit ---just create
a thickening in depth around the edges ,hang a shutter to create the
recess --job done
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| rylan777@gmail.com 2006-04-17, 12:21 am |
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Well, I can't do the cement work myself so I will show my cement guy
your post and see if he understands it. Another problem is that you
void the warrentee if the foundation isn't right. And I admit I didn't
read the web page about foundations. I was just using web pages to get
the companies phone numbers. I guy I talked to on the phone did not
mension the foundation it needed. Thanks for the advice. Rylan
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| Nehmo Sergheyev 2006-04-17, 2:21 am |
| If the company really did mislead you (it doesn't matter if they took
advantage of your ignorance), then don't do any further business with
them.
What were you supposed to get for this deposit? How much did you expect
to pay in total, $5K? And where are you?
I agree with Bud in that the "foundation" is easy, but I don't know
what he means by "hang a shutter".
Oh, "cement" is an ingredient of "concrete". I realize lay people
interchange the terms, but you should get it straight if you're going
to negotiate.
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(||) Nehmo (||)
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| Dan Deckert 2006-04-17, 1:21 pm |
| 5k for a 676 sq. ft. slab?
I'm coming up with under $1100 to buy the mud and have it finished in SE
Washington St.
26'x26'x4"=8.26 yds of mud x $75/yd=$619.50 plus $.70 sq. ft. flatwork x 676
sq.ft = $473.20
619+473=$1092+$2700=$3792 total $1207< your 5K (no dirt prep/formwork
factored in)
$2700 for special brackets? Are they gold plated?
On a special note, you'd have to place some heavier footers on the perimeter
if you were doing a standard PEB and be out more mud and work as well.
(Whether epoxy anchors or embedded anchor bolts)
Consider just doing a perimeter foundation for now? At least you'd have a
shop & not lose the deposit. As for the 4" trough, use 4" styrene as
blockout matl. Easy in & easy out. sorta........
26' square PEB footers
10~12" wide footers 3000psi mud
----|----- -----grade----- & 12" j bolts
| | | ______________ 4" slab/5~5-1/2 sack mud
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| j | 12~24" deep footers
Dan
<rylan777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145206476.354422.52850@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I read the good things this newsgroup said about Curvco Steel Buildings
> and was impressed enough when I called them to order a 25/24 foot
> building. What I didn't find out until the plans arrived was that the
> foundation it requires is very expensive and complicated to make. You
> just can't lay a slab and bolt the building to it. You have to form a
> 4 inch trough for the building to sit in or pay an extra $2700 for
> brackets that you can bolt to the foundation.
>
> I paid them a $1,600 deposit I can't get back and I am looking at a
> $5,000 foundation for a $5,000 building. I can't afford the double cost
> and am going to loss my deposit and the chance to build a badly needed
> storage building.
>
> There is something wrong with a business that doesn't give you a good
> faith estimate of what a building will cost in total.
>
> Rylan
>
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| AlohaCliff 2006-04-17, 4:21 pm |
| Rylan,
Apparently you have no experience with concrete. The footing is drop
dead simple. While I don't know the exact dimensions of the
depression, it looks like a 2x4 laid flat would form the slot. This is
very easy to do, and shouldn't cause an experienced concrete contractor
a moments pause. Relax and get some quotes (yes, quote"s"). It is
always a good idea to get at least 3 bids for the work, and I'm sure
you will be surprised at how little the slot/depression will cost.
Cliff
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| R'zenboom 2006-04-17, 8:21 pm |
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"Dan Deckert" <deckert@owt.com> wrote in message
news:m_SdnWIpJp3dJd7ZRVn-iw@owt.com...
> 5k for a 676 sq. ft. slab?
> I'm coming up with under $1100 to buy the mud and have it finished in SE
> Washington St.
> 26'x26'x4"=8.26 yds of mud x $75/yd=$619.50 plus $.70 sq. ft. flatwork x
676
> sq.ft = $473.20
> 619+473=$1092+$2700=$3792 total $1207< your 5K (no dirt prep/formwork
> factored in)
> $2700 for special brackets? Are they gold plated?
> On a special note, you'd have to place some heavier footers on the
perimeter
> if you were doing a standard PEB and be out more mud and work as well.
> (Whether epoxy anchors or embedded anchor bolts)
>
> Consider just doing a perimeter foundation for now? At least you'd have a
> shop & not lose the deposit. As for the 4" trough, use 4" styrene as
> blockout matl. Easy in & easy out. sorta........
>
> 26' square PEB footers
> 10~12" wide footers 3000psi mud
> ----|----- -----grade----- & 12" j bolts
> | | | ______________ 4" slab/5~5-1/2 sack mud
> | | |
> | j | 12~24" deep footers
>
> Dan
>
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> <rylan777@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145206476.354422.52850@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
Not sure I understood all, but -
What is the trough for ? Restraining the base of frame ?
Just a wild idea, but if the thing is delivered pre-assembled, couldn't you
place it on props and then caste the footing ?
--
R'zenboom
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| Dan Deckert 2006-04-18, 2:21 am |
| I talked with Curvco today, they were without a doubt, the biggest ASSHOLES
I've ever had the displeasure of talking to. At this juncture, I could care
less if they were giving their damn buildings away. They can kiss my XXX and
shove their product where the sun doesn't shine. End of friggin story!
Dan
"AlohaCliff" <cawjr1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145299805.980511.168760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Rylan,
>
> Apparently you have no experience with concrete. The footing is drop
> dead simple. While I don't know the exact dimensions of the
> depression, it looks like a 2x4 laid flat would form the slot. This is
> very easy to do, and shouldn't cause an experienced concrete contractor
> a moments pause. Relax and get some quotes (yes, quote"s"). It is
> always a good idea to get at least 3 bids for the work, and I'm sure
> you will be surprised at how little the slot/depression will cost.
>
> Cliff
>
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| Al Bundy 2006-04-19, 1:21 am |
| "Dan Deckert" <deckert@owt.com> wrote in
news:JfKdncqppqic99nZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@owt.com:
> I talked with Curvco today, they were without a doubt, the biggest
> ASSHOLES I've ever had the displeasure of talking to. At this
> juncture, I could care less if they were giving their damn buildings
> away. They can kiss my XXX and shove their product where the sun
> doesn't shine. End of friggin story!
>
> Dan
>
> "AlohaCliff" <cawjr1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145299805.980511.168760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
Final answer?
:-)
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| Dan Deckert 2006-04-19, 2:21 pm |
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"Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:Xns97A9EF919D670AlBundy@216.196.97.142...
> "Dan Deckert" <deckert@owt.com> wrote in
> news:JfKdncqppqic99nZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@owt.com:
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[color=darkred]
> Final answer?
>
> :-)
Yep...............:-)
Dan
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