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Heavy-Duty Post Brackets ??
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I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
some of the posts.
I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
iron.
I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here,
I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere
near what I am looking for.
Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time
if I could find a source for these items.
Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for
??
Thanks for any suggestions !!!
--James--
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| Bob Morrison 2006-06-12, 7:21 pm |
| In a previous post James wrote...
> I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
> thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
> from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
> want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
> will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
> black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
> iron.
>
To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have to have them
custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses 3/16" material.
One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your area, they can
also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need. however, I'm
guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the job cheaper.
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
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"James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
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> I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
> need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
> straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
> some of the posts.
>
>
> I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
> thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would
> vary
> from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
> want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
> will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
> black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
> iron.
>
> I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting
> here,
> I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
> brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find
> anywhere
> near what I am looking for.
>
> Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
> some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some
> time
> if I could find a source for these items.
>
> Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking
> for
> ??
>
> Thanks for any suggestions !!!
>
> --James--
That's a simple job for your local neighborhood welding shop. They can even
apply an even more "rustic look" by hammering the material.
JTMcC.
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| Phil Scott 2006-06-12, 9:21 pm |
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Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"Bob Morrison" <SpamFighter@junk.com> wrote in message
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> In a previous post James wrote...
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> To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have
> to have them
> custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses
> 3/16" material.
>
> One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your
> area, they can
> also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need.
> however, I'm
> guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the
> job cheaper.
Red Hat, or maybe its White Hat an industrial building supply
in san francisco has heavy steel brackets of all types. beam
to post supports in 3/16" steel, I dont recall if they had
supports for embedding posts that that thick... the mfgr who
made the beam and post brackets though probably makes post
embedment items.... call some local industrial building
supplies they probably have catalogues on such items.
Phil Scott
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> --
> Bob Morrison, PE, SE
> R L Morrison Engineering Co
> Structural & Civil Engineering
> Poulsbo WA
> bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
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| Phil, thank you and others for helpful replies. I will check on those
names.
I welcome further comments on this.
--James--
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| James wrote:
> I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
> need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
> straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
> some of the posts.
>
>
> I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
> thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
> from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
> want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
> will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
> black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
> iron.
>
> I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here,
> I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
> brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere
> near what I am looking for.
>
> Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
> some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time
> if I could find a source for these items.
>
> Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for
> ??
>
> Thanks for any suggestions !!!
>
> --James--
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Where are you at? I have a source for custom brackets like this. I know
exactly what you are talking about looking for them on line or local.
The simpson or USP architectural series or USP ornamental series will
cost you a lot more than having them made.
I would be willing to serve as your middle man for a few bucks over cost
if you provided drawings. Post your e-mail address or some way of
contacting you and we can discuss further. I have a picture of a custom
joist hanger I had made I can send you.
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| James wrote:
> I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I
> need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel
> straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join
> some of the posts.
>
>
> I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch
> thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary
> from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I
> want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also
> will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted
> black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought
> iron.
>
> I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here,
> I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction
> brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere
> near what I am looking for.
>
> Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have
> some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time
> if I could find a source for these items.
>
> Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for
> ??
>
> Thanks for any suggestions !!!
>
> --James--
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>
Do some searching for "TECO Timber".
http://www.clevelandsteel.com/divis...onstruction.htm
Be prepared to have your checkbook extremely well prepared. As posted
alreay having these fasteners fabricated locally will likely be far more
cost effective (though still very expensive).
We have built several structures, though larger than a shed, and we have
either fab'd the pieces ourselves or had them fab'd at a local shop.
$30-$50+ per simple connection would not be uncommon. And dont forget
the fasteners that will follow. It would not be uncommon to spend a
couple hundred dollars in lags/rod/nuts/etc. to put these connectors
together.
Perhaps you have a desire to learn metal fabrication as a hobby. A
cutting rig, small welder, and small hyd. brake may cost $1000.00. A
small drill press for $250.00. Add a sheet of 3/16 plate at $300.00 and
you could make the connectors yourself for $1500.00 but you'd have all
the gear to boot!!
Mark
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| M&S wrote:
> James wrote:
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> Do some searching for "TECO Timber".
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> http://www.clevelandsteel.com/divis...onstruction.htm
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> Be prepared to have your checkbook extremely well prepared. As posted
> alreay having these fasteners fabricated locally will likely be far more
> cost effective (though still very expensive).
>
> We have built several structures, though larger than a shed, and we have
> either fab'd the pieces ourselves or had them fab'd at a local shop.
> $30-$50+ per simple connection would not be uncommon. And dont forget
> the fasteners that will follow. It would not be uncommon to spend a
> couple hundred dollars in lags/rod/nuts/etc. to put these connectors
> together.
>
> Perhaps you have a desire to learn metal fabrication as a hobby. A
> cutting rig, small welder, and small hyd. brake may cost $1000.00. A
> small drill press for $250.00. Add a sheet of 3/16 plate at $300.00 and
> you could make the connectors yourself for $1500.00 but you'd have all
> the gear to boot!!
>
> Mark
>
Check these custom brackets out - http://tinyurl.com/z9lwh
They cost $7 including primer. Not too bad.
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| No wrote:
> Check these custom brackets out - http://tinyurl.com/z9lwh
> They cost $7 including primer. Not too bad.
From where?
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| James 2006-06-13, 10:21 pm |
| Thanks for all the very helpful replies. Bob, thanks, and I am looking at
those Simpson products, and have emailed them for prices and catalogs.
M&S posted a picture of a bracket line that I would LOVE to review, but
not a hint of who makes it or where you found it. M&S, could you provide
more info on those nice brakets please ??
Again, that you ALL for the nice replies !!!
--james--
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| James wrote:
> Thanks for all the very helpful replies. Bob, thanks, and I am looking at
> those Simpson products, and have emailed them for prices and catalogs.
>
>
> M&S posted a picture of a bracket line that I would LOVE to review, but
> not a hint of who makes it or where you found it. M&S, could you provide
> more info on those nice brakets please ??
>
> Again, that you ALL for the nice replies !!!
>
> --james--
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Actually, I didnt post the pic of the bracket. "No" posted that pic. I
also posted a response asking where those were available for $7.00. I
have a feeling $7.00 is what the material (and primer) cost No to make
that bracket but its just a guess. There is far from $7.00 worth of
steel and paint in that bracket but you would need a welder, saw,
grinder, and drill press to fab those yourself hehe. If you were to
amortize the cost of that equipment out over say, a couple hundred, of
those brackets they may cost $7.00/ea. ;)
I would however guess you could find a local shop to make brackets,
hangers, and bases, similar to that using stock (cheap) angle for less
than you imagine. Its worth a couple phone calls.
Mark
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| James 2006-06-13, 11:21 pm |
| Ok Mark, thanks !!!
--james--
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| Goedjn 2006-06-14, 12:21 pm |
| On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:12:00 -0400, "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com>
wrote:
>Phil, thank you and others for helpful replies. I will check on those
>names.
>
>I welcome further comments on this.
>
I can't help wondering why you're using metal connectors,
when it sounds like you're building a timber-frame building.
Why not go with pegged mortice and tennon?
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| James 2006-06-14, 10:21 pm |
| The reason why I am using metal connectors is that I like them.
--James--
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