| RicodJour 2007-03-26, 5:25 pm |
| On Mar 26, 2:46 pm, Bob Morrison <SpamFigh...@junk.com> wrote:
> In a previous post Pat wrote...
>
>
> That's not what I said. In the example you cited the originals were drawn
> by one person (FLW) and you asked if a now living architect (or engineer)
> could seal those drawings and get a permit.
Let's not kid ourselves, FLW's buildings were largely uncomfortable to
live in and the drawings themselves would sell for more than any house
built from them.
> I answered no. Only if the original drawings were redrawn by the
> "architect [engineer] of record" are they considered "prepared under the
> direct supervision of the design professional."
You are speaking theoretically, Bob. In most of the building
departments around here, if the drawings are stamped, the building
department doesn't play cop and investigate who prepared them. That's
not really their function. Their view is that the designer of record
is responsible, and if they're responsible and the building department
isn't, well, hell, that's fine. There was one building department in
a local village that refused to accept drawings prepared by an
engineer, even though that is allowed in NY.
> Of course, if FLW sealed and signed the drawings then you might have an
> interesting story to tell and case to argue with a local building
> official.
Maybe tell the story on Oprah or something, but if the guy is not
currently registered, I don't think it would fly. You may know more
about the technicalities on that front.
> In the example you cite above, you could "buy" the drawings from the
> original drawer and that person can even apply his/her seal to those
> drawings. Depending on the jurisdiction prints of those electronic
> drawings may or may not have to have an original signature singed in ink.
>
> This last has gotten to be a somewhat contentious issue. I generally
> argue that if I send you a PDF version of the drawing with my stamp and
> signature which was produced in my office then there is no difference
> between that and me sending you via snail mail a print of the original
> sealed and signed document. In this case I typically apply "print only"
> security to the PDF in order to prevent anyone from copying the seal and
> signature electronically. Some jurisdictions require an original signature
> on every drawing submitted. That's not too bad if there are only 2-3 sets
> of 3-4 drawings, but it's not very much fun if the jurisdiction wants 5
> sets of 150 sheets. prints of the sealed and signed original should be
> sufficient.
I don't think Adobe's PDF security is as secure as you may think:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Adobe/Gallery/
There are a whole host of "password recovery tools" that will strip
the encryption and open up the file to editing.
Send me one of your drawings and I'll show you what I mean. {Pat, you
still have those FLW drawings you told me about last year...? I think
I have a workaround.} ;)
And on another PDF security issue, potentially more damaging for a
much larger group of people:
http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-6147428.html
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