Building and Construction - Underlayment for Shingles

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Underlayment for Shingles

callmekc@hotmail.com

2007-06-26, 5:25 pm

I am getting ready to shingle my roof on a new build. Instead of
using felt, what material have you used that you've really liked as an
underlayment?

Tony

2007-06-26, 5:25 pm

old shower curtains

<callmekc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am getting ready to shingle my roof on a new build. Instead of
> using felt, what material have you used that you've really liked as an
> underlayment?
>
>

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longshot

2007-06-27, 9:25 am

<callmekc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182889020.554527.145040@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>I am getting ready to shingle my roof on a new build. Instead of
> using felt, what material have you used that you've really liked as an
> underlayment?
>

tar paper

DanG

2007-06-27, 8:25 pm

We have all used felt tar paper for many years, why do you want to
consider otherwise? If you can afford it, you can install ice
shield on the whole roof. It is self healing, but you will really
need to do your homework on venting as the stuff doesn't breathe.

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<callmekc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182889020.554527.145040@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>I am getting ready to shingle my roof on a new build. Instead of
> using felt, what material have you used that you've really liked
> as an
> underlayment?
>

Rod & Betty Jo

2007-06-28, 1:25 pm

DanG wrote:
> We have all used felt tar paper for many years, why do you want to
> consider otherwise? If you can afford it, you can install ice
> shield on the whole roof. It is self healing, but you will really
> need to do your homework on venting as the stuff doesn't breathe.
>

I have a 10 by 25 ft 1.5/12 pitch shed type roof that has always had roll
roofing.....It attaches under the 20+inch house eve with little clearance
(just a few inches).......Anyway I'm planning on stripping it, laying on a
new layer of CDX and was considering using ICE Shield over the whole
thing.....the ceiling below is insulated but with little space between
insulation and roof deck. It has no official ventilation (100 yr. old house
with the addition probably 75yrs old)......Will eve only ventilation
suffice, like in every rafter bay? If not how does one vent the top end on a
nearly flat roof? Any cons or suggestions on the Ice shield? Thanks Rod

marson

2007-06-28, 8:25 pm

On Jun 28, 12:56 pm, "Rod & Betty Jo" <sogg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> DanG wrote:
>
> I have a 10 by 25 ft 1.5/12 pitch shed type roof that has always had roll
> roofing.....It attaches under the 20+inch house eve with little clearance
> (just a few inches).......Anyway I'm planning on stripping it, laying on a
> new layer of CDX and was considering using ICE Shield over the whole
> thing.....the ceiling below is insulated but with little space between
> insulation and roof deck. It has no official ventilation (100 yr. old house
> with the addition probably 75yrs old)......Will eve only ventilation
> suffice, like in every rafter bay? If not how does one vent the top end on a
> nearly flat roof? Any cons or suggestions on the Ice shield? Thanks Rod

First, you really ought to start a new post.

The topic of ice and water over the whole roof has been covered more
than once in this forum. I believe that whenever you use a vapor
barrier on the cold side of a structure, you could be inviting
trouble, because moisture has no way to escape and will condense on
the underside of the sheathing. Perhaps less of an issue with a well
ventilated new house with a good vapor barrier, but more of a risk
with an older house IMO.

However, you are in a tough situation. What are you planning to put
on top of the ice shield? a 1.5 in 12 pitch is too flat to legally
shingle. Your options are some kind of flat roof product like EPDM
(there are other systems out there--EPDM is what is used where I live)
or standing seam steel. None of these products would allow moisture to
pass. I assume you don't want to demo the ceiling in there and fix the
insulation/ventilation. Of course, if it has worked for 75 years,
you might take the attitude that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I really can't say from here what soffit vents would do. Probably
can't hurt, but I doubt it would do a lot of good if you don't have a
vent space.

Big_Jake

2007-06-28, 9:25 pm

On Jun 28, 6:56 pm, marson <briankon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 12:56 pm, "Rod & Betty Jo" <sogg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> First, you really ought to start a new post.
>
> The topic of ice and water over the whole roof has been covered more
> than once in this forum. I believe that whenever you use a vapor
> barrier on the cold side of a structure, you could be inviting
> trouble, because moisture has no way to escape and will condense on
> the underside of the sheathing. Perhaps less of an issue with a well
> ventilated new house with a good vapor barrier, but more of a risk
> with an older house IMO.
>
> However, you are in a tough situation. What are you planning to put
> on top of the ice shield? a 1.5 in 12 pitch is too flat to legally
> shingle. Your options are some kind of flat roof product like EPDM
> (there are other systems out there--EPDM is what is used where I live)
> or standing seam steel. None of these products would allow moisture to
> pass. I assume you don't want to demo the ceiling in there and fix the
> insulation/ventilation. Of course, if it has worked for 75 years,
> you might take the attitude that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
> I really can't say from here what soffit vents would do. Probably
> can't hurt, but I doubt it would do a lot of good if you don't have a
> vent space.

If you have vent space, you could cut a ridge vent in half, and use it
under a piece of flashing at the top as a pretty good vent. This
would be in addition to a soffit vent on the bottom. I got kudos from
my local building inspector for doing this on an addition to my house.

JK

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