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Safest Places in the US?

John

2006-04-08, 10:21 pm

I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
safest places to live in the USA?

When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
natural disasters like Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquakes, Floods, Wild
Fires, Grapefruit sized hailstones, Severe Weather etc, as well as
from crime, gangs and things like that?

If for example I wanted to live in the USA, I don't think it would be
a good idea for me to choose Arizona because I have skin that easily
burns. I also wouldn't want to choose somewhere like Maine or
Minnesota where it might be freezing a lot of the time.

I also just had a question about home construction in the US. Whenever
I see images on television of the damage from Tornados and Hurricanes
etc, a lot of the homes that have suffered damage or have been
completely destroyed, it seems that they are mainly constructed of
timber. I don't understand why so many homes in the US especially in
areas were you get a lot of Hurricanes and Tornados at certain times
of the year are constructed of timber. Surely it would be better if
they were constructed of something more solid like big stone?

I have been watching some of the devastation on the news in paces like
Tennessee from the recent tornados. I have also been in the middle of
a Hurricane (Fran) once when I was on holiday in the US and visiting
friends in North Carolina back in 1996 so have seen first hand the
damage that can be done. I have also witnessed massive hailstones that
fell in Pennsylvania when I worked there, and saw all the smashed
windscreens on cars afterwards.

I just wondered what the opinion is of people who work in the
construction industry. Would it help if homes were built of different
materials to timber?

I am also thinking there must be some type of material that can be
used to make car windscreens (windshields) that wouldn't smash if hit
by large hailstone? Maybe some sort of see through plastic/rubber that
the hailstone would just bounce off instead of smashing through? If we
can make bulletproof cars surely making a windscreen that doesn't
smash is also possible?

If you have any suggestions for some relatively safe states in the US
I would be very interested to know.

I am guessing that much of the south and south east can be ruled out
for the Hurricanes and the middle of the country for tornados. The
Western seaboard for the fault line. Places like Texas, Arizona,
Nevada, Southern California, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida for the
heat. The North, NW and NE for the freezing temperatures, so that will
remove states like Alaska, Washington, Montana, N&S Dakota, Minnesota,
Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Maine etc. See my rough map. I'm not
sure if I've done a good job of getting roughly the right areas for
the danger spots? http://tinyurl.com/nt3vm

What's left? Oregon? Hawaii?

John

David Bennetts

2006-04-08, 11:21 pm

"John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com...
>I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
> safest places to live in the USA?
>
> When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
> natural disasters like Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquakes, Floods, Wild
> Fires, Grapefruit sized hailstones, Severe Weather etc, as well as
> from crime, gangs and things like that?
>
> If for example I wanted to live in the USA, I don't think it would be
> a good idea for me to choose Arizona because I have skin that easily
> burns. I also wouldn't want to choose somewhere like Maine or
> Minnesota where it might be freezing a lot of the time.
>
> I also just had a question about home construction in the US. Whenever
> I see images on television of the damage from Tornados and Hurricanes
> etc, a lot of the homes that have suffered damage or have been
> completely destroyed, it seems that they are mainly constructed of
> timber. I don't understand why so many homes in the US especially in
> areas were you get a lot of Hurricanes and Tornados at certain times
> of the year are constructed of timber. Surely it would be better if
> they were constructed of something more solid like big stone?
>
> I have been watching some of the devastation on the news in paces like
> Tennessee from the recent tornados. I have also been in the middle of
> a Hurricane (Fran) once when I was on holiday in the US and visiting
> friends in North Carolina back in 1996 so have seen first hand the
> damage that can be done. I have also witnessed massive hailstones that
> fell in Pennsylvania when I worked there, and saw all the smashed
> windscreens on cars afterwards.
>
> I just wondered what the opinion is of people who work in the
> construction industry. Would it help if homes were built of different
> materials to timber?
>
> I am also thinking there must be some type of material that can be
> used to make car windscreens (windshields) that wouldn't smash if hit
> by large hailstone? Maybe some sort of see through plastic/rubber that
> the hailstone would just bounce off instead of smashing through? If we
> can make bulletproof cars surely making a windscreen that doesn't
> smash is also possible?
>
> If you have any suggestions for some relatively safe states in the US
> I would be very interested to know.
>
> I am guessing that much of the south and south east can be ruled out
> for the Hurricanes and the middle of the country for tornados. The
> Western seaboard for the fault line. Places like Texas, Arizona,
> Nevada, Southern California, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida for the
> heat. The North, NW and NE for the freezing temperatures, so that will
> remove states like Alaska, Washington, Montana, N&S Dakota, Minnesota,
> Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Maine etc. See my rough map. I'm not
> sure if I've done a good job of getting roughly the right areas for
> the danger spots? http://tinyurl.com/nt3vm
>
> What's left? Oregon? Hawaii?
>
> John
>
Rule those out - Oregon has too many forest fires and too many trees, you
might get burnt or a tree might fall on you. Hawaii has volcanoes and big
waves, either may kill you. I don't think there's anywhere left in the USA
for you. You'll have to emigrate.

Regards

David Bennetts
Australia

clintonG

2006-04-08, 11:21 pm

You may be interested in what Joel Skousen has written and talks about [1].

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://www.joelskousen.com/

"John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com...
>I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
> safest places to live in the USA?
>
> When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
> natural disasters like Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquakes, Floods, Wild
> Fires, Grapefruit sized hailstones, Severe Weather etc, as well as
> from crime, gangs and things like that?
>
> If for example I wanted to live in the USA, I don't think it would be
> a good idea for me to choose Arizona because I have skin that easily
> burns. I also wouldn't want to choose somewhere like Maine or
> Minnesota where it might be freezing a lot of the time.
>
> I also just had a question about home construction in the US. Whenever
> I see images on television of the damage from Tornados and Hurricanes
> etc, a lot of the homes that have suffered damage or have been
> completely destroyed, it seems that they are mainly constructed of
> timber. I don't understand why so many homes in the US especially in
> areas were you get a lot of Hurricanes and Tornados at certain times
> of the year are constructed of timber. Surely it would be better if
> they were constructed of something more solid like big stone?
>
> I have been watching some of the devastation on the news in paces like
> Tennessee from the recent tornados. I have also been in the middle of
> a Hurricane (Fran) once when I was on holiday in the US and visiting
> friends in North Carolina back in 1996 so have seen first hand the
> damage that can be done. I have also witnessed massive hailstones that
> fell in Pennsylvania when I worked there, and saw all the smashed
> windscreens on cars afterwards.
>
> I just wondered what the opinion is of people who work in the
> construction industry. Would it help if homes were built of different
> materials to timber?
>
> I am also thinking there must be some type of material that can be
> used to make car windscreens (windshields) that wouldn't smash if hit
> by large hailstone? Maybe some sort of see through plastic/rubber that
> the hailstone would just bounce off instead of smashing through? If we
> can make bulletproof cars surely making a windscreen that doesn't
> smash is also possible?
>
> If you have any suggestions for some relatively safe states in the US
> I would be very interested to know.
>
> I am guessing that much of the south and south east can be ruled out
> for the Hurricanes and the middle of the country for tornados. The
> Western seaboard for the fault line. Places like Texas, Arizona,
> Nevada, Southern California, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida for the
> heat. The North, NW and NE for the freezing temperatures, so that will
> remove states like Alaska, Washington, Montana, N&S Dakota, Minnesota,
> Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Maine etc. See my rough map. I'm not
> sure if I've done a good job of getting roughly the right areas for
> the danger spots? http://tinyurl.com/nt3vm
>
> What's left? Oregon? Hawaii?
>
> John
>
>

2006-04-09, 1:21 am

In article <r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com>, Yosemit@Sam.com
says...
>
>I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
>safest places to live in the USA?

Ohio. No deadly creatures, either. Some cold weather, but the southern part of
the state is much warmer than along Lake Erie where I live. Very affordable
housing. Jobs. Ohio.

--
Dennis

Ken

2006-04-09, 1:21 am

John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@
4ax.com:
> When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
> natural disasters like Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquakes, Floods, Wild
> Fires, Grapefruit sized hailstones, Severe Weather etc, as well as
> from crime, gangs and things like that?

Who cares? You're much more likely to be killed in a traffic accident than
any of those things. Of natuaral disasters, doesn't heat kill more people
than all those other things?

pltrgyst

2006-04-09, 3:21 am

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:53:09 -0500, dthompson4389@SPAMwowway.com (DT) wrote:

>
>.... Jobs. Ohio.

Really? There seem to be a lot of unemployed Ohioans complaining about the job
situation on Usenet. Not as bas as West Virginia, but they make it sound close.

-- Larry

Hank Sniadoch

2006-04-09, 3:21 am

John wrote:
> I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
> safest places to live in the USA?
>
> When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
> natural disasters like Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquakes, Floods, Wild
> Fires, Grapefruit sized hailstones, Severe Weather etc, as well as
> from crime, gangs and things like that?
>
> If for example I wanted to live in the USA, I don't think it would be
> a good idea for me to choose Arizona because I have skin that easily
> burns. I also wouldn't want to choose somewhere like Maine or
> Minnesota where it might be freezing a lot of the time.
>
> I also just had a question about home construction in the US. Whenever
> I see images on television of the damage from Tornados and Hurricanes
> etc, a lot of the homes that have suffered damage or have been
> completely destroyed, it seems that they are mainly constructed of
> timber. I don't understand why so many homes in the US especially in
> areas were you get a lot of Hurricanes and Tornados at certain times
> of the year are constructed of timber. Surely it would be better if
> they were constructed of something more solid like big stone?
>
> I have been watching some of the devastation on the news in paces like
> Tennessee from the recent tornados. I have also been in the middle of
> a Hurricane (Fran) once when I was on holiday in the US and visiting
> friends in North Carolina back in 1996 so have seen first hand the
> damage that can be done. I have also witnessed massive hailstones that
> fell in Pennsylvania when I worked there, and saw all the smashed
> windscreens on cars afterwards.
>
> I just wondered what the opinion is of people who work in the
> construction industry. Would it help if homes were built of different
> materials to timber?
>
> I am also thinking there must be some type of material that can be
> used to make car windscreens (windshields) that wouldn't smash if hit
> by large hailstone? Maybe some sort of see through plastic/rubber that
> the hailstone would just bounce off instead of smashing through? If we
> can make bulletproof cars surely making a windscreen that doesn't
> smash is also possible?
>
> If you have any suggestions for some relatively safe states in the US
> I would be very interested to know.
>
> I am guessing that much of the south and south east can be ruled out
> for the Hurricanes and the middle of the country for tornados. The
> Western seaboard for the fault line. Places like Texas, Arizona,
> Nevada, Southern California, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida for the
> heat. The North, NW and NE for the freezing temperatures, so that will
> remove states like Alaska, Washington, Montana, N&S Dakota, Minnesota,
> Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Maine etc. See my rough map. I'm not
> sure if I've done a good job of getting roughly the right areas for
> the danger spots? http://tinyurl.com/nt3vm
>
> What's left? Oregon? Hawaii?
>
> John
>
>
Yes.

bookburn

2006-04-09, 5:21 am

Frank F. Matthews

2006-04-09, 1:21 pm

Your map shows the line for cold as much too far north. It shows the
line for hurricanes as much too coastal. Your earthquake area should
show almost all of the US except for a bit of coastal TX and part of
FLA. You left out Tsunamis, sink holes, & volcanos.

Basically your best bet is to die young.

John wrote:

> I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
> safest places to live in the USA?
>
> When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
> natural disasters like Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquakes, Floods, Wild
> Fires, Grapefruit sized hailstones, Severe Weather etc, as well as
> from crime, gangs and things like that?
>
> If for example I wanted to live in the USA, I don't think it would be
> a good idea for me to choose Arizona because I have skin that easily
> burns. I also wouldn't want to choose somewhere like Maine or
> Minnesota where it might be freezing a lot of the time.
>
> I also just had a question about home construction in the US. Whenever
> I see images on television of the damage from Tornados and Hurricanes
> etc, a lot of the homes that have suffered damage or have been
> completely destroyed, it seems that they are mainly constructed of
> timber. I don't understand why so many homes in the US especially in
> areas were you get a lot of Hurricanes and Tornados at certain times
> of the year are constructed of timber. Surely it would be better if
> they were constructed of something more solid like big stone?
>
> I have been watching some of the devastation on the news in paces like
> Tennessee from the recent tornados. I have also been in the middle of
> a Hurricane (Fran) once when I was on holiday in the US and visiting
> friends in North Carolina back in 1996 so have seen first hand the
> damage that can be done. I have also witnessed massive hailstones that
> fell in Pennsylvania when I worked there, and saw all the smashed
> windscreens on cars afterwards.
>
> I just wondered what the opinion is of people who work in the
> construction industry. Would it help if homes were built of different
> materials to timber?
>
> I am also thinking there must be some type of material that can be
> used to make car windscreens (windshields) that wouldn't smash if hit
> by large hailstone? Maybe some sort of see through plastic/rubber that
> the hailstone would just bounce off instead of smashing through? If we
> can make bulletproof cars surely making a windscreen that doesn't
> smash is also possible?
>
> If you have any suggestions for some relatively safe states in the US
> I would be very interested to know.
>
> I am guessing that much of the south and south east can be ruled out
> for the Hurricanes and the middle of the country for tornados. The
> Western seaboard for the fault line. Places like Texas, Arizona,
> Nevada, Southern California, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida for the
> heat. The North, NW and NE for the freezing temperatures, so that will
> remove states like Alaska, Washington, Montana, N&S Dakota, Minnesota,
> Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Maine etc. See my rough map. I'm not
> sure if I've done a good job of getting roughly the right areas for
> the danger spots? http://tinyurl.com/nt3vm
>
> What's left? Oregon? Hawaii?
>
> John
>
>

John

2006-04-09, 1:21 pm

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:40:12 GMT, "clintonG"
<csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote:

>You may be interested in what Joel Skousen has written and talks about [1].
>
><%= Clinton Gallagher
> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
>
>[1] http://www.joelskousen.com/

Thanks for that link. It is a very interesting site.

I think a lot of it mainly centres on safe places away from Nuclear
targets. A lot of those places that the site lists some are in the
North in areas where it gets really cold; Boise ID, Provo-Orem UT,
Grand Rapids MI. There's one in Oregon where someone mentions that
there are forest fires. One in California. I'm not sure though
whether Santa Rosa is near the fault line and will suffer from
Earthquakes or Wild Fires? One place in Texas and Nevada, which would
probably be too hot for me. Then you have others in the Hurricane
belt, North and South Carolina.

John

John

2006-04-09, 1:21 pm

>Rule those out - Oregon has too many forest fires and too many trees, you
>might get burnt or a tree might fall on you. Hawaii has volcanoes and big
>waves, either may kill you. I don't think there's anywhere left in the USA
>for you. You'll have to emigrate.
>
>Regards
>
>David Bennetts
>Australia

I don't currently live in the States. I was just curious about what
parts of the US people consider to be the safest. I have worked there
for a short period of time and been on holiday and spent a fair amount
of time there.

I have also been on holiday to Australia twice. Sydney and Queensland
the first time, and Melbourne, Phillip Island and the Great Ocean Rd
the second time. I can also rule out Sydney for those fires as well,
plus those Funnel Webs Spiders and Sharks swimming up the
river ;)

I live in the UK, and am mainly just thinking about this for when I
retire (a long way off yet). But you never know, perhaps I may
emigrate to somewhere else from the UK.

John

Glenn

2006-04-09, 1:21 pm

"John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com
> I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
> safest places to live in the USA?
>
>
I like Kansas. Supposedly the tornado alley state but I am 75 and have
never seen one. Does happen sometimes but so do car accidents.

If you chose to live in a forest, you know darned well sometime there will
be a forest fire. Not if but a certainty.

On the coast, especially east, you know you will have hurricanes
occasionally, not maybe but a certainty.

Live in the mountains and there is a good chance a rock slide or forest fire
will get you.

I'll take the good old boring central states

Dave Smith

2006-04-09, 2:21 pm

Glenn wrote:

> I like Kansas. Supposedly the tornado alley state but I am 75 and have
> never seen one. Does happen sometimes but so do car accidents.
>
> If you chose to live in a forest, you know darned well sometime there will
> be a forest fire. Not if but a certainty.
>
> On the coast, especially east, you know you will have hurricanes
> occasionally, not maybe but a certainty.
>
> Live in the mountains and there is a good chance a rock slide or forest fire
> will get you.
>
> I'll take the good old boring central states

I realize that southern Ontario doesn't qualify since it is not in the US, but
is is relatively hazard free. The last bad blizzard we had was almost 30 years
ago. Every ten years or so there is a small hurricane that comes along and
knocks over a few trees and takes off a roof . The last hurricane that hit here
with any force was Hurricane Hazel in 1954. We don't get volcanos, earthquakes,
floods. It doesn't get extremely hot or extremely cold. It's pretty safe and
boring. Most of us are doomed to die of old age.

Gunner

2006-04-09, 4:21 pm

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:53:09 -0500, dthompson4389@SPAMwowway.com (DT)
wrote:

>In article <r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com>, Yosemit@Sam.com
>says...
>
>
>Ohio. No deadly creatures, either. Some cold weather, but the southern part of
>the state is much warmer than along Lake Erie where I live. Very affordable
>housing. Jobs. Ohio.

New Madrid Fault is expected to go off anytime now

Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

tmurf.1@juno.com

2006-04-09, 4:21 pm

Philadelphia has a nice temperate climate but it is always raining
bullets.

Gunner

2006-04-09, 4:21 pm

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:07:55 GMT, "Glenn" <pilcheg@kc.rr.com> wrote:

>"John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
>news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com
>I like Kansas. Supposedly the tornado alley state but I am 75 and have
>never seen one. Does happen sometimes but so do car accidents.
>
>If you chose to live in a forest, you know darned well sometime there will
>be a forest fire. Not if but a certainty.
>
>On the coast, especially east, you know you will have hurricanes
>occasionally, not maybe but a certainty.
>
>Live in the mountains and there is a good chance a rock slide or forest fire
>will get you.
>
>I'll take the good old boring central states

Something to consider..is not how safe an area is from natural
disasters...but how well prepared the area/infrastructure for those
emergencies.

I live 5 miles as the crow flies from the San Andreas fault, here in
California. We have small earthquakes every couple days or so..but
most are never felt. I did however lose a home to an earthquake in
1983. The entire town was leveled..but there were only a very few
injuries, and 1 death..and to this day..Im not sure it wasnt a
homicide of opportunity IRRC.

Its been 20 + yrs, the town was rebuilt to modern building codes for
earthquake standards..not the 19th century as it originally was..and I
doubt there were be much serious damage after an equivelant
earthquake. My current home has been hardened against
earthquakes..and if one occurs...the home and infrastructure simply
sways and rides it out. Im more concerned about a couple of my larger
top heavy machine tools in my home hobby shop falling over than losing
the house and grounds.

Good weather, not prone to forest fires here in the desert, no
tornados, no hurricanes, no floods at my elevation etc, limited crime,
no gangs other than a couple local wanna be's, far enough off the
beaten track to not be an attractive destination for hordes of spikey
haired cannible mutants after something really bad in the LA area,
its a heavily armed Red Zone, and local oilfields can provide energy,
fuel and water to the area. Good well hardened hospitals and
emergency services..simply because they have had lots of experience
with earthquakes in the past and have built to counter the issue in
the future, etc etc.

So its not necessarily a state by state comparison that is valid, but
an area by area look that needs to be done.

Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

Robert

2006-04-09, 8:21 pm

"DT" <dthompson4389@SPAMwowway.com> wrote in message
news:YfCdnTi85K24GKXZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@wideopenwest.com...
> In article <r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com>, Yosemit@Sam.com
> says...
>
>
> Ohio. No deadly creatures, either. Some cold weather, but the southern
part of
> the state is much warmer than along Lake Erie where I live. Very
affordable
> housing. Jobs. Ohio.
>
> --
> Dennis
>
Ohio = heat, humidity, flat, tornadoes

Robert

Hatunen

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:53:09 -0500, dthompson4389@SPAMwowway.com
(DT) wrote:

>In article <r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com>, Yosemit@Sam.com
>says...
>
>
>Ohio. No deadly creatures, either.

But Ohio has tornados. And some nast squall lines off Lake Erie.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:53:24 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:53:09 -0500, dthompson4389@SPAMwowway.com (DT)
>wrote:
>
>
>New Madrid Fault is expected to go off anytime now

Even a major earthquake on the New Madrid Fault is unlikely to
cause any serious damage in Ohio.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:39:56 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>Your map shows the line for cold as much too far north. It shows the
>line for hurricanes as much too coastal. Your earthquake area should
>show almost all of the US except for a bit of coastal TX and part of
>FLA. You left out Tsunamis, sink holes, & volcanos.
>
>Basically your best bet is to die young.

Some places are both hot and cold. When I lived in Richland,
Washington, the winters could be bitterly cold, but it got up to
the likes of 113F in the summer.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:53:56 +0100, John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote:

>I think a lot of it mainly centres on safe places away from Nuclear
>targets. A lot of those places that the site lists some are in the
>North in areas where it gets really cold; Boise ID, Provo-Orem UT,
>Grand Rapids MI. There's one in Oregon where someone mentions that
>there are forest fires. One in California. I'm not sure though
>whether Santa Rosa is near the fault line and will suffer from
>Earthquakes or Wild Fires?

Santa Rosa was devastated by the 1906 earthquake. It has also
been subject to other earthquakes. See
http://nisee.berkeley.edu/elibrary/index.html and search for
santa rosa

The city of Santa Rosa proper is unlikely to suffer from
wildfires, but it is in a valley surrounded by brushy mountains,
so be careful if looking for suburban living.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

Hatunen

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:42:04 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I realize that southern Ontario doesn't qualify since it is not in the US, but
>is is relatively hazard free. The last bad blizzard we had was almost 30 years
>ago. Every ten years or so there is a small hurricane that comes along and
>knocks over a few trees and takes off a roof . The last hurricane that hit here
>with any force was Hurricane Hazel in 1954. We don't get volcanos, earthquakes,
>floods. It doesn't get extremely hot or extremely cold. It's pretty safe and
>boring. Most of us are doomed to die of old age.

Gotta watch out for those ice age glaciers, though.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
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Antipodean Bucket Farmer

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

In article <123hg7a5os92026@corp.supernews.com>,
bookburn@yahoo.com says...
>
> "John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
> news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com...

[color=darkred]
> You should add up all your categories of danger and summarize as just: Where
> is it that I can walk outside without fear? I hear that communist countries
> are/were relatively safe. Not sure if Cuba is safe. Japan is safe. Probably
> Switzerland is safe.

Commie countries? Cuba? Puh-leeze.

Japan looks safe. But, upon walking outside, can I be confident
of getting back in? Or is the rent payment (and other costs of
living) so high that I am in danger of being evicted?

Switzerland? What is the danger of crushing tax bills?

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Hatunen

2006-04-09, 9:21 pm

On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:44:31 -0700, Antipodean Bucket Farmer
<usenet2006@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:

>Japan looks safe. But, upon walking outside, can I be confident
>of getting back in? Or is the rent payment (and other costs of
>living) so high that I am in danger of being evicted?

Japan?? The country that has regular earthquake and tsunami
drills?

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

clintonG

2006-04-09, 10:21 pm

Its fiction and its an older book written in the 1970s but go the library
and check out "Lucifer's Hammer" (Niven, Pournelle), read it, and then tell
me you want to live around Ohio or anywhere else in the Midwest.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

"Robert" <sabu77@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "DT" <dthompson4389@SPAMwowway.com> wrote in message
> news:YfCdnTi85K24GKXZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@wideopenwest.com...
> part of
> affordable
> Ohio = heat, humidity, flat, tornadoes
>
> Robert
>
>

bookburn

2006-04-09, 11:21 pm

"Antipodean Bucket Farmer" <usenet2006@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea332374472f445989b8c@news.xtra.co.nz...
> In article <123hg7a5os92026@corp.supernews.com>,
> bookburn@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>
>
> Commie countries? Cuba? Puh-leeze.
>
> Japan looks safe. But, upon walking outside, can I be confident
> of getting back in? Or is the rent payment (and other costs of
> living) so high that I am in danger of being evicted?
>
> Switzerland? What is the danger of crushing tax bills?

Okay, one I just heard about is Monte Carlo, where they have no income tax and
it's run by the mafia. bb
>
>
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Gunner

2006-04-10, 2:21 am

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:42:38 -0700, Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:53:24 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>Even a major earthquake on the New Madrid Fault is unlikely to
>cause any serious damage in Ohio.
>

Thats odd..did they recently move Ohio?

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/geosurve...ter/visitor.htm

http://www.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_C...s1800-1983.html

http://www.greatdreams.com/madrid.htm

> ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

Jon Bell

2006-04-10, 3:21 am

In article <r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com>,
John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote:
>I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
>safest places to live in the USA?

I guess South Carolina is out. Charleston was flattened by an earthquake
in the 1880s, and was whipped by Hurricane Hugo in 1989. Here in the
Upstate we get ice storms such as the one which knocked out electicity to
about a million people for several days last December.

--
Jon Bell <jtbell@presby.edu> Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA

the_blogologist

2006-04-10, 4:21 am

John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote:

> I don't understand why so many homes in the US especially in
> areas were you get a lot of Hurricanes and Tornados at certain times
> of the year are constructed of timber. Surely it would be better if
> they were constructed of something more solid like big stone?

When tornados hit the damage is very localized. Most people in tornado
alley may have a storm shelter or know of one close. Some schools have
one building that's hardened.

What made Katrina so bad was the New Orleans Levee Board failed to
properly maintain and modernize the levee which was 40 years old! (the
city is below sea level). Even though Bush showed up with the mother of
hurricane reliefs, the press slamed him to get the attention off of the
levee and democrats.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9617/bushknew8gh.jpg

> If you have any suggestions for some relatively safe states in the US
> I would be very interested to know.

God's wrath is about to fall on the blue states, I highly recommend
moving to one of the RED states. Here are maps showing the safe places:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8239/endwar8eh.jpg
http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/...uestates3wp.jpg

> Places like Texas,

Texas is hot AND humid (like oklahoma).

> Arizona,

But it's a dry heat, so it feels cooler. If you look at maps that show
were evaporative coolers work best, they all agree that west of the
Texas - New Mexico boarder is much drier. The humidity makes the heat
feel hotter. I've tried evaporative coolers in Oklahoma and Arizona,
they work MUCH BETTER in Arizona :o/ It's also cooler in the higher
elevations of Arizona.

> Nevada,

Don't get a DUI in Nevada, they're really tough on DUIs. The 3rd one in
7 years is a year in prison, and a felony for every one after that.

> What's left? Oregon? Hawaii?

Hawaii sits on top of a volcano ;oD

There's no safe place lol You could travel in an RV so you can haul
XXX when danger strikes. Or just move around until you find a place you
WANT to live. The US has LOTS of RV parks around, cost about $300 a
month for a hookup (water, electric, sewage, rent). Your rig/vehicle
needs to be newer and nice looking to get into the best parks.

Matt Barrow

2006-04-10, 5:21 am

"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
news:vAh_f.414$bi.88@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Its fiction and its an older book written in the 1970s but go the library
> and check out "Lucifer's Hammer" (Niven, Pournelle), read it, and then
> tell me you want to live around Ohio or anywhere else in the Midwest.
>
You'd make such an argument based on a work of FICTION?

Gunner

2006-04-10, 8:21 am

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:21:24 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
<mattbarrow@qwest.net> wrote:

>
>"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
>news:vAh_f.414$bi.88@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>You'd make such an argument based on a work of FICTION?
>
>
It would depend on the accuracy of the data contained in the book.

Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

Matt Barrow

2006-04-10, 10:21 am

"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:k4dk325eqvnvd0altb4p473p6fest4j7j2@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:21:24 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
> <mattbarrow@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> It would depend on the accuracy of the data contained in the book.
>

Fiction <--> data in book = ???

Dave Smith

2006-04-10, 10:21 am

Hatunen wrote:

> ce it is not in the US, but
>
> Gotta watch out for those ice age glaciers, though.
>

Luckily, I missed the last one, 20,000 years ago :-)

Dave Smith

2006-04-10, 10:21 am

the_blogologist wrote:

> When tornados hit the damage is very localized. Most people in tornado
> alley may have a storm shelter or know of one close. Some schools have
> one building that's hardened.
>
> What made Katrina so bad was the New Orleans Levee Board failed to
> properly maintain and modernize the levee which was 40 years old! (the
> city is below sea level). Even though Bush showed up with the mother of
> hurricane reliefs, the press slamed him to get the attention off of the
> levee and democrats.

I think you have that backwards. What made Hurricane Katrina so bad was it
was a Category 5 hurricane. It was the 6th worst Atlantic storm on record.

clintonG

2006-04-10, 1:21 pm

Yes, the book Lucifer's Hammer is fiction and the story is about how
survivors react to a large scale cataclysmic event after a meteor strikes
the earth.

The story is about police who won't or can't police anymore, neighbors who
are no longer neighborly, gangs, cannibalism and all of the other aspects of
social chaos that will emerge after a large scale cataclysmic event. Most of
all this book will compel the reader to pull their head out of their @ss
and think about the sociological factors one must consider as they are the
most considerable factors after all.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Matt Barrow" <mattbarrow@qwest.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> news:k4dk325eqvnvd0altb4p473p6fest4j7j2@4ax.com...
>
> Fiction <--> data in book = ???
>

Matt Barrow

2006-04-10, 1:21 pm

"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
news:rPu_f.41511$ty4.25726@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Yes, the book Lucifer's Hammer is fiction and the story is about how
> survivors react to a large scale cataclysmic event after a meteor strikes
> the earth.
>
> The story is about police who won't or can't police anymore, neighbors who
> are no longer neighborly, gangs, cannibalism and all of the other aspects
> of social chaos that will emerge after a large scale cataclysmic event.

That sounds like Saturday night here in town!

Frank F. Matthews

2006-04-10, 2:21 pm

the_blogologist wrote:

> John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> When tornados hit the damage is very localized. Most people in tornado
> alley may have a storm shelter or know of one close. Some schools have
> one building that's hardened.
>
> What made Katrina so bad was the New Orleans Levee Board failed to
> properly maintain and modernize the levee which was 40 years old! (the
> city is below sea level). Even though Bush showed up with the mother of
> hurricane reliefs, the press slamed him to get the attention off of the
> levee and democrats.
>
> http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9617/bushknew8gh.jpg
>
>
>
>
> God's wrath is about to fall on the blue states, I highly recommend
> moving to one of the RED states. Here are maps showing the safe places:
>
snip

So God has decided that she will switch sides after devastating the red
portions of Florida?

She also appears to not to care about homosexuality but is death on
gambling based on last years experience.

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 2:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:41:52 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:42:38 -0700, Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>Thats odd..did they recently move Ohio?

Note the phrase "SERIOUS damage" [emphasis added] and the word
"unlikely". I know how to waffle with the best of them.

>http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/geosurve...ter/visitor.htm
>
>http://www.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_C...s1800-1983.html
>
>http://www.greatdreams.com/madrid.htm

And the New Madrid quakes supposedly rang bells in Boston and
shook own some scaffolding in Washington, DC. I suppose, too,
that northeast Ohio is better than southwest Ohio.

The maps at Sue Hough's web pages at
http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/Shake.html are also of
interest. Sue has quite a bit of info on the New Madrid shakes,
http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/page.nm.html that ought
to scare t he Hell out of anyone living in St Louis or Memphis or
that general area.

I survived the Loma Prieta quake, which didn't even shake down my
shampoo bottle perched on the top of the shower partition. Of
course, our house wasn't built on bay silt or landfill from the
San Francisco worlds fair, good plaes to avoid even in Ohio.

On the other hand, I lived in Ohio for the first 23 years of my
life, and I saw the distant storm carrying a tornado that struck
Cleveland in the mid-1950s. Not to mention assorted tornado
damage in various parts of northeast Ohio, so as far as I'm
concerned it's not the New madrid Fault that makes Ohio a bad
place to live. Not to mention the best reason of all: it's better
to be FROM Ohio than living IN Ohio.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 2:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:55 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Hatunen wrote:
>
>
>Luckily, I missed the last one, 20,000 years ago :-)

But the next one is coming.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 2:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:36:12 +0000 (UTC), jtbell@presby.edu (Jon
Bell) wrote:

>In article <r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com>,
>John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote:
>
>I guess South Carolina is out. Charleston was flattened by an earthquake
>in the 1880s, and was whipped by Hurricane Hugo in 1989. Here in the
>Upstate we get ice storms such as the one which knocked out electicity to
>about a million people for several days last December.

Arizona, Jon, Arizona.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 2:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:16:55 -0700, nobody@nowheres.com
(the_blogologist) wrote:

>John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote:
>
>
>When tornados hit the damage is very localized. Most people in tornado
>alley may have a storm shelter or know of one close.

No, most people in "tornado alley" don't. Don't you read or see
the news accounts of the aftermath of recent tornados?

>Some schools have one building that's hardened.

Which?

>What made Katrina so bad was the New Orleans Levee Board failed to
>properly maintain and modernize the levee which was 40 years old! (the
>city is below sea level). Even though Bush showed up with the mother of
>hurricane reliefs, the press slamed him to get the attention off of the
>levee and democrats.

Katrina caused major damage in places other than isnide the
levees of New Orleans. New Orleans was just the most photogenic.

>http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9617/bushknew8gh.jpg
>
>
>God's wrath is about to fall on the blue states, I highly recommend
>moving to one of the RED states. Here are maps showing the safe places:
>
>http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8239/endwar8eh.jpg
>http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/...uestates3wp.jpg
>
>
>Texas is hot AND humid (like oklahoma).
>
>
>But it's a dry heat, so it feels cooler.

Agreed.
>
If you look at maps that show
>were evaporative coolers work best, they all agree that west of the
>Texas - New Mexico boarder is much drier. The humidity makes the heat
>feel hotter. I've tried evaporative coolers in Oklahoma and Arizona,
>they work MUCH BETTER in Arizona :o/

Refrigerated air conditioning is even better.

>It's also cooler in the higher elevations of Arizona.

One reason I love living here.

>
>Don't get a DUI in Nevada, they're really tough on DUIs. The 3rd one in
>7 years is a year in prison, and a felony for every one after that.
>
>
>Hawaii sits on top of a volcano ;oD

Hawai'i, or at least the island of Hawai'i, IS a volcano. But
it's a shield volcano and pretty harmless to human life.

>There's no safe place lol

but there are places safer than others.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 2:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:47:26 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>the_blogologist wrote:
>
>
>I think you have that backwards. What made Hurricane Katrina so bad was it
>was a Category 5 hurricane. It was the 6th worst Atlantic storm on record.

But it was a Category 4 when it hit land.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Mimi

2006-04-10, 2:21 pm

"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
news:dc7j32hj8aqisd59k970206q2qm831si53@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:39:56 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Some places are both hot and cold. When I lived in Richland,
> Washington, the winters could be bitterly cold, but it got up to
> the likes of 113F in the summer.

Bitterly cold? Well, maybe relative to Tucson, but not to other parts of the
US.

I think the OP eliminated Washington state for extreme cold, not realizing
how much warmer it is west of the Cascades. But, of course, we're
disqualified because of earthquakes.

When I lived in LA, it wasn't only the earthquakes. There were also grass
fires and landslides. For all the picture of idyllic weather there, lots of
(natural) bad stuff can happen.

To the OP, regarding wood houses. They're the best thing in an earthquake.
Bricks and stones, if not reinforced properly, shake apart. Stick-built
houses are lightweight and nailed together in a semi-rigid framework; they
withstand quakes quite well. 2 caveats: the wood house must be bolted to its
foundation or it just slides off. And all too often your house does fine,
but the brick chimney falls over on the house.

Marianne (in Seattle)

Gunner

2006-04-10, 3:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:55:53 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
<mattbarrow@qwest.net> wrote:

>
>"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:k4dk325eqvnvd0altb4p473p6fest4j7j2@4ax.com...
>
>Fiction <--> data in book = ???
>

Of course. Dont read much do you? A work of fiction means that the
plot is fictional, not that the basic premise or the data used is
necessarily bogus. Tom Clancey comes to mind. Louis le Amoure as
another. Well researched, data is correct and so forth. Steven Koontz
as another.

In fact...the more well regarded fiction is more of an alternative
history, rather than some hodgepodge of stuff stuck together.

What makes you think that a fictional work has nothing accurate in it?

Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

Gunner

2006-04-10, 3:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:27:19 GMT, "clintonG"
<csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote:

>Yes, the book Lucifer's Hammer is fiction and the story is about how
>survivors react to a large scale cataclysmic event after a meteor strikes
>the earth.
>
>The story is about police who won't or can't police anymore, neighbors who
>are no longer neighborly, gangs, cannibalism and all of the other aspects of
>social chaos that will emerge after a large scale cataclysmic event. Most of
>all this book will compel the reader to pull their head out of their @ss
>and think about the sociological factors one must consider as they are the
>most considerable factors after all.
>
>
><%= Clinton Gallagher

Indeed. Well worth reading. Another, more dated one..is War Day.

Gunner

>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Matt Barrow" <mattbarrow@qwest.net> wrote in message
>news:vBs_f.7$1Q4.1206@news.uswest.net...
>

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 3:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:03:27 -0700, "Mimi" <johndoe@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
>"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:dc7j32hj8aqisd59k970206q2qm831si53@4ax.com...
>
>Bitterly cold? Well, maybe relative to Tucson, but not to other parts of the
>US.

You know, I used to be a landed immigrant in Montreal, and I've
lived in upstate New York and in Kansas for typical plains
blizzards so I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about. it
can get bitterly cold in the Tri-Cities area. One week we had
very cold and about two feet of snow (but then one morning about
three am a chinook hit; remarkable if you've not experiencee
one).

>I think the OP eliminated Washington state for extreme cold, not realizing
>how much warmer it is west of the Cascades. But, of course, we're
>disqualified because of earthquakes.

Surely cold winter drizzle counts.

>When I lived in LA, it wasn't only the earthquakes. There were also grass
>fires and landslides. For all the picture of idyllic weather there, lots of
>(natural) bad stuff can happen.
>
>To the OP, regarding wood houses. They're the best thing in an earthquake.
>Bricks and stones, if not reinforced properly, shake apart. Stick-built
>houses are lightweight and nailed together in a semi-rigid framework; they
>withstand quakes quite well. 2 caveats: the wood house must be bolted to its
>foundation or it just slides off. And all too often your house does fine,
>but the brick chimney falls over on the house.
>
>Marianne (in Seattle)

Don't forget the inevitablility of a repeat of the year 1700
major subduction zone earthquake in the Pacific Northwest and its
subsequent tsunami (very similr to the Indian ocean event last
year). And the possibility of lahars from Mt Rainier. And falling
ash; Mt St Helens ruined my VW's engine, and we were on the edge
of the ash fallout.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Frank F. Matthews

2006-04-10, 3:21 pm

Mimi wrote:

> "Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:dc7j32hj8aqisd59k970206q2qm831si53@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> Bitterly cold? Well, maybe relative to Tucson, but not to other parts of the
> US.
>
> I think the OP eliminated Washington state for extreme cold, not realizing
> how much warmer it is west of the Cascades. But, of course, we're
> disqualified because of earthquakes.
>
> When I lived in LA, it wasn't only the earthquakes. There were also grass
> fires and landslides. For all the picture of idyllic weather there, lots of
> (natural) bad stuff can happen.
>
> To the OP, regarding wood houses. They're the best thing in an earthquake.
> Bricks and stones, if not reinforced properly, shake apart. Stick-built
> houses are lightweight and nailed together in a semi-rigid framework; they
> withstand quakes quite well. 2 caveats: the wood house must be bolted to its
> foundation or it just slides off. And all too often your house does fine,
> but the brick chimney falls over on the house.
>
> Marianne (in Seattle)
>
>

Construction is tricky. I am reminded of the Kobe earthquake where in
the older section of town the very heavy roofs intended to resist
hurricanes managed to come down crushing folks. They avoided one
problem only to cause another.

Frank F. Matthews

2006-04-10, 3:21 pm

Hatunen wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:36:12 +0000 (UTC), jtbell@presby.edu (Jon
> Bell) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Arizona, Jon, Arizona.
>

Sunburn Dave sunburn. And have you noticed an occasional hot spell.

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 4:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:16:00 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Hatunen wrote:
>
[color=darkred]
>Sunburn Dave sunburn. And have you noticed an occasional hot spell.

It's an inside joke to Jon.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
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sechumlib

2006-04-10, 4:21 pm

On 2006-04-10 12:39:24 -0400, Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> said:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> But the next one is coming.

Oh, you're one of those irrational nuts who think global cooling is
more of a threat than global warming, right?

sechumlib

2006-04-10, 4:21 pm

On 2006-04-10 14:16:00 -0400, "Frank F. Matthews"
<frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> said:

>
>
> Hatunen wrote:
>
>
> Sunburn Dave sunburn. And have you noticed an occasional hot spell.

Depends on WHERE in Arizona. Not much hot weather on the north rim of
the Grand Canyon, for example.

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 4:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:43:33 GMT, sechumlib
<sechumlib@liberal.net> wrote:

>On 2006-04-10 14:16:00 -0400, "Frank F. Matthews"
><frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> said:
>
>
>Depends on WHERE in Arizona. Not much hot weather on the north rim of
>the Grand Canyon, for example.

But the sun's UV is worse at the Grand Canyon because the air is
even thinner at that altitude. And they have pretty bad winters
at the GC.

By the way, here in Tucson our hot spell is not "occasional", and
we really only have one a year.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Dave Smith

2006-04-10, 4:21 pm

Hatunen wrote:
[color=darkred]
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>

I am willing to bet that it will not be in my life time :-)

Hatunen

2006-04-10, 5:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:51:15 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Hatunen wrote:
>
>
>I am willing to bet that it will not be in my life time :-)

That's what New Orleanians usd to say about their flood defenses
being breached. Or more of them would have bought flood
insurance.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
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sechumlib

2006-04-10, 5:21 pm

On 2006-04-10 14:53:52 -0400, Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> said:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:43:33 GMT, sechumlib
> <sechumlib@liberal.net> wrote:
>
>
> But the sun's UV is worse at the Grand Canyon because the air is
> even thinner at that altitude. And they have pretty bad winters
> at the GC.

But the OP apparently doesn't consider snow a "safety" issue.

I grant the validity of your comment about UV, however.

Caveat

2006-04-10, 8:21 pm

nobody@nowheres.com (the_blogologist) wrote:
<major snippage>
[color=darkred]
>God's wrath is about to fall on the blue states, I highly recommend
>moving to one of the RED states. Here are maps showing the safe places:
[...]

Terrible place. I wouldn't live there. Very dangerous, too.
[color=darkred]
>But it's a dry heat, so it feels cooler.

Like hell it does!

> If you look at maps that show
>were evaporative coolers work best, they all agree that west of the
>Texas - New Mexico boarder is much drier. The humidity makes the heat
>feel hotter. I've tried evaporative coolers in Oklahoma and Arizona,
>they work MUCH BETTER in Arizona :o/ It's also cooler in the higher
>elevations of Arizona.

PLEEEZE don't send any more people to Arizona!!!

Caveat

Eugene Miya

2006-04-10, 11:21 pm

Followups reduced.

In article <123hg7a5os92026@corp.supernews.com>,
bookburn <bookburn@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
>news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com...

As crime and danger goes, the US rates 1 Pelton Star.
[color=darkred]
> You should add up all your categories of danger and summarize as just: Where
>is it that I can walk outside without fear? I hear that communist countries
>are/were relatively safe. Not sure if Cuba is safe. Japan is safe. Probably
>Switzerland is safe.

Relatively.
You still have avalanches, car accidents, etc.

>I recently read a novel where the central character was saying that when he
>lived in Africa, Burma and India he felt all the people were very innocent and
>safe. But maybe he was just that kind of person bookburn

Some African "republics" rate 5 stars.

%A Robert Young Pelton
%A Coskun Aral
%A others
%T The World's Most Dangerous Places, 3rd ed. (now in 5th)
%I Fielding's Travel Guides
%C Redondo Beach, CA
%D 2003
%X www.comebackalive.com
%X In the Foreword, in the subsection "Who This Book is For" under
'Adventure Travellers' reads:
Most adventure travellers rely on politically correct but militarily
naive guidebooks like Lonely Planet, Moon and Rough Guides.
They provide minimal coverage of war zones and simply tell you
to stay away.
And "A Polite Discourse on Liability (ours) and Gullibility (yours):"
This book is more likely to kill you than save your life.
Good sections on Bribery, Terrorism, Land Mines, what to take,
Dangerous places, Dangerous Jobs, Dangerous diseases, and examples
of dangerous things. Includes the United States as a dangerous place
(NYC and LA). Quite nicely done. Not completely cynical.
Useful for journalists. This book properly notes the utility of a
Polaroid (tm) camera.
%X Now in the 5th edition. 2 co-editors have now died (Wink Dulles (1956-2001)
and Gervaise Roderick (Roddy) Scott (1971-2002)).
%X
Foreword
LIST OF MAPS # Reasonable maps
What is Dangerous?
What Danger Awaits the Weary Traveler?
Minibuses, taxis, automobiles, boats, planes, trains
Making the Best of Nasty Situations: Dangerous Destinations
war zones, ugly Americans, revolutionary places, radical places,
nasty places, poor places, terrorist places, criminal places,
Business Travellers: Professional Victims
Dangerous places for business travel
Gangsters: the businessman's friend
Tourists: Fodder for Fiends
Dangerous Places
# the geographic meat of the book, like Cambodia which in turn sparked them to response "A bit unfair" and "No comment."
Criminal Places
# a good calibration including Mexico and the USA: covers LA and NYC. Good.
Forbidden Places
# e.g., Cuba, Iran, Iraq, N. Korea, Libya, etc. Very useful for journalists.
Coming Attractions
# an interesting social studies lesson
Dangerous Things
Hey America, what time is it?
Every 2 seconds a criminal offense
every 12 sec. a burglary
every 17 seconds a violent crime
every 20 seconds vehicle is stolen
every 51 sec. a robbery
every 5 minutes a rape
every 23 minutes a murder <- you want this
ever 28 sec. agg. assault
Every 30 min. news, weather and sports
Pelton has a great sense of humor.
[This from the FBI.]
Bribes
Dangerous Jobs
Dangerous Diseases
Drugs
Getting Arrested
Guns [Boys and Their Toys]
Kidnapping
Land Mines # Janes' is the best thing, followed by military manuals
Military and Paramilitary Organizations
Terrorism
ADVENTURE GUIDE
Adventure Calls
Adventure Clubs
What to Pack # Good, special, better than average
Save Humanity
Save the Planet
Save Yourself
Visas and Entry Requirements
Tourist Offices
Intl. Long-Distance Access Codes
Index
%X http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic.../TRAVEL1856.dtl
%X Pelton's list of World's most boring places: 2nd ed.:
[clearly a generalization, you can still die there]
Canada, the Caribbean, Costa Rica, Mongolia, New Zealand, Pacific Islands,
The Vatican, Australia, Switzerland, Iceland, Antarctica.

--

Matt Barrow

2006-04-10, 11:21 pm

"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:g85l32dtpmodm3julli3fct0mf3g20v2t5@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:55:53 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
>
> Of course. Dont read much do you?

Want to come over and see the library in my den?

You can remove the foot from your mouth anytime now.

> A work of fiction means that the
> plot is fictional, not that the basic premise or the data used is
> necessarily bogus. Tom Clancey comes to mind. Louis le Amoure as
> another. Well researched, data is correct and so forth. Steven Koontz
> as another.

And then there's Heinlein, and the science "fanatsy" genre, "Alternative
Histroy"...
>
> In fact...the more well regarded fiction is more of an alternative
> history, rather than some hodgepodge of stuff stuck together.
>
> What makes you think that a fictional work has nothing accurate in it?

The way "facts" are used. There's a big difference between realistic fiction
and "fantasy". That's the case in the book (Lucifer's Hammer).

the_blogologist

2006-04-11, 3:21 am

Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:16:55 -0700, nobody@nowheres.com
> (the_blogologist) wrote:
>
> No, most people in "tornado alley" don't.

Well, i meant that most people that worry about it :o/

Yeah, most people in Oklahoma don't have shelters.

> Don't you read or see
> the news accounts of the aftermath of recent tornados?

The big one that hit oklahoma city passed 5 miles from my house. The
damage is still pretty localized. It just cuts a big path. Most tornados
just harmlessly go across the country side or don't even touch the
ground.

>
> Which?

Well, i guess I should have said "harder". Verden, Oklahoma has a school
that is underground.

Gunner

2006-04-11, 3:21 am

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:28:28 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
<matt.barrow@sitefill.com> wrote:

>
>"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:g85l32dtpmodm3julli3fct0mf3g20v2t5@4ax.com...
>
>Want to come over and see the library in my den?

Then why did you ask such a foolish question?
>
>You can remove the foot from your mouth anytime now.
>
You first. Btw..my library has about 6000 books in it. Yours?

>
>And then there's Heinlein, and the science "fanatsy" genre, "Alternative
>Histroy"...

Yes indeed, there is. Hence my "not necessarily bogus" comment.
>
>The way "facts" are used. There's a big difference between realistic fiction
>and "fantasy". That's the case in the book (Lucifer's Hammer).
>
Such as? Be specific.

>
>
Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

Icono Clast

2006-04-11, 9:21 am

Hatunen wrote:
> I survived the Loma Prieta quake, which didn't even shake down my
> shampoo bottle perched on the top of the shower partition. Of
> course, our house wasn't built on bay silt or landfill from the
> San Francisco worlds fair, good plaes to avoid even in Ohio.=20

Nor, apparently, on the sand that Daly City was when I was a child.

That house of yours, and mine, are about equa-distant from the San=20
Andreas Fault. Almost everything was knocked over, much broken, in my=20
house. All the the houses on my, and nearby, blocks had the same=20
foundation-level cracks.

[color=darkred]
> It would depend on the accuracy of the data contained in the book.

kes=20[color=darkred]

There's a similar book about San Francisco's Great 'Quake. The=20
story's fiction but the data aren't.

Gunner said:[color=darkred]
> Something to consider..is not how safe an area is from natural
> disasters...but how well prepared the area/infrastructure for those
> emergencies.

That's been mentioned by those talking about snow.

When the New Madrid Fault goes, it's going to be extremely bad as=20
they're not as 'Quake-conscious as we and are far less likely to have=20
built or prepared as wall as we.

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sanjian

2006-04-11, 9:21 am

the_blogologist wrote:
> Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:

Many that were built during the early cold war would be strong candidates.
Though I can't offer many examples, other than that there are rooms in
Norris Hall, here on Va. Tech that are still designated as fallout shelters.
[color=darkred]
> Well, i guess I should have said "harder". Verden, Oklahoma has a
> school that is underground.

How well does that work in a fire, with no windows?

Mimi

2006-04-11, 1:21 pm

"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7h6l32ptkd7mj8o6apbfb9d7gd9ss5jfbj@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:03:27 -0700, "Mimi" <johndoe@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> You know, I used to be a landed immigrant in Montreal, and I've
> lived in upstate New York and in Kansas for typical plains
> blizzards so I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about. it
> can get bitterly cold in the Tri-Cities area. One week we had
> very cold and about two feet of snow (but then one morning about
> three am a chinook hit; remarkable if you've not experiencee
> one).
>
I just looked up the average January low in Richland; it's 24. In Montreal
it's 7. Maybe you just hit a bad spell.

>snip>

> Don't forget the inevitablility of a repeat of the year 1700
> major subduction zone earthquake in the Pacific Northwest and its
> subsequent tsunami (very similr to the Indian ocean event last
> year). And the possibility of lahars from Mt Rainier. And falling
> ash; Mt St Helens ruined my VW's engine, and we were on the edge
> of the ash fallout.

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten. As for the ashfall from Mt. St. Helens,
never got to Seattle.

Marianne

Hatunen

2006-04-11, 3:21 pm

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:29:44 -0700, "Mimi" <johndoe@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
>"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:7h6l32ptkd7mj8o6apbfb9d7gd9ss5jfbj@4ax.com...
>I just looked up the average January low in Richland; it's 24. In Montreal
>it's 7. Maybe you just hit a bad spell.

You apparently would have trouble believing that someone could
drown in 20 feet of water while wading across a lake with an
average depth of 18-incehs.

>
>
>Don't worry, I haven't forgotten. As for the ashfall from Mt. St. Helens,
>never got to Seattle.

You were lucky. But Mt St Helen is not your only concern.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen

2006-04-11, 3:21 pm

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:27:44 -0700, nobody@nowheres.com
(the_blogologist) wrote:

>Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>Well, i meant that most people that worry about it

Unfortunately, also not true.

>Yeah, most people in Oklahoma don't have shelters.

Fortunately, my wife's family in Apache OK did when she was a
girl.

>
>The big one that hit oklahoma city passed 5 miles from my house. The
>damage is still pretty localized. It just cuts a big path. Most tornados
>just harmlessly go across the country side or don't even touch the
>ground.

You split me in your quoting. What you said was, "When tornados
hit the damage is very localized. Most people in tornado
alley may have a storm shelter or know of one close."

To which I replied, "No, most people in "tornado alley" don't.
Don't you read or see the news accounts of the aftermath of
recent tornados?".

In context I think it's evident my "news report" comment related
to all those people in the news reports that didn't have storm
shelters.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Dave Smith

2006-04-11, 7:21 pm

Mimi wrote:

>
> Don't worry, I haven't forgotten. As for the ashfall from Mt. St. Helens,
> never got to Seattle.

It didn't? That's amazing because it made it to my friends' place just south
of Vancouver.

Shawn Hirn

2006-04-12, 11:21 am

In article <r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com>,
John <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote:

> I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
> safest places to live in the USA?
>
> When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
> natural disasters like Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquakes, Floods, Wild
> Fires, Grapefruit sized hailstones, Severe Weather etc, as well as
> from crime, gangs and things like that?

Its a silly question. If this really bothers you, just avoid going to
any area where the five day weather forecast calls for threatening
weather. For example, if a hurricane is headed toward Miami, its not
going to be a surprise (except maybe to FEMA), so just don't go there.
If you want to avoid bad weather in the north, just avoid going there
in the winter. The web site at http://www.weather.com is your friend.

sechumlib

2006-04-12, 1:21 pm

On 2006-04-12 09:39:31 -0400, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> said:

> Its a silly question. If this really bothers you, just avoid going to
> any area where the five day weather forecast calls for threatening
> weather. For example, if a hurricane is headed toward Miami, its not
> going to be a surprise (except maybe to FEMA), so just don't go there.
> If you want to avoid bad weather in the north, just avoid going there
> in the winter. The web site at http://www.weather.com is your friend.

Just where do you get off making SENSIBLE comments in this thread?
Can't you tell that the entire purpose thereof is to bring forth
stupid, speculative things?

Phil Scott

2006-04-16, 7:21 pm

--
Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"David Bennetts" <davibenne-nospam@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
news:443865df$0$16050$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
> news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com...
> Rule those out - Oregon has too many forest fires and too
> many trees, you
> might get burnt or a tree might fall on you. Hawaii has
> volcanoes and big
> waves, either may kill you. I don't think there's anywhere
> left in the USA
> for you. You'll have to emigrate.
>
> Regards
>
> David Bennetts
> Australia

Good thinking...also in the US there are all kinds of bugs,
snakes, and dangerous animals..any of those could **attack**
and often do, thousands die every year from that and hookers
gone out of control.

One of the most dangerous places in the US though is Oakland
Calif. particularly some parts, the highest murder rate in
the US some years, and some spots directly on major earthquake
fault lines... with 2 million people in the general vicinity
and 200 a year dying from these sorts things, the odds one
will suffer (gasp) are 2 in 100,000... Unless you are not
black, then the odds are about one in 200,000.

On the other hand, anal retentiveness will increase the OP's
odds of dying of a heart attack 500%..

>
>
>
>

Phil Scott

2006-04-16, 7:21 pm

>
> I live in the UK, and am mainly just thinking about this for
> when I
> retire (a long way off yet). But you never know, perhaps I
> may
> emigrate to somewhere else from the UK.
>
> John

you lead a boring life John

>
>

Sue

2006-04-16, 7:21 pm

On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:38:02 -0700, "Phil Scott"
<philscott@philscott.net> wrote:

>
>One of the most dangerous places in the US though is Oakland
>Calif. particularly some parts, the highest murder rate in
>the US some years, and some spots directly on major earthquake
>fault lines... with 2 million people in the general vicinity
>and 200 a year dying from these sorts things, the odds one
>will suffer (gasp) are 2 in 100,000... Unless you are not
>black, then the odds are about one in 200,000.

Geeze. I'm lucky I got out of there alive!!!
Sue

>
>

Antipodean Bucket Farmer

2006-04-16, 8:21 pm

In article <8df5425ln9hou6d5kvu79ojkiif1ofipqd@4ax.com>,
sebrady@thegrid.net says...
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:38:02 -0700, "Phil Scott"
> <philscott@philscott.net> wrote:
>

[color=darkred]
> Geeze. I'm lucky I got out of there alive!!!

While anyone can be murdered, there is plenty that you can do to
reduce your risk.

The main thing is NOT doing any illegal drugs (including pot),
and refusing any personal "friendship" with anyone who is doing
them. Same with other types of crime.

Stay out of abusive sexual relationships, and platonic
"friendships."

Stay away from parasites who want to use you for money, a place
to live, food, etc, since they may become violent when you get
tired of it, and refuse.

Stay away from anyone with severe mental health issues.

You may have to (or choose to) live in a bad neighbourhood for
financial reasons, so would have a higher general environmental
risk.

But lots of victims of murder (and other violence) are attacked
by sex-partners, "friends," or acquaintances. Such contacts are
also a major point of theft and other material/financial
problems. And they are something which is under your own
control, as far as avoidance.

And, even in a nicer neighbourhood, don't get complacent - you
will still occasionally encounter drug users and nutcases.

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2006-04-17, 8:21 pm

"Antipodean Bucket Farmer" <usenet2006@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.1eac67ec48469c43989ba2@news.xtra.co.nz...
> In article <8df5425ln9hou6d5kvu79ojkiif1ofipqd@4ax.com>,
> sebrady@thegrid.net says...
>
>
>
>
> While anyone can be murdered, there is plenty that you can do to
> reduce your risk.
>
> The main thing is NOT doing any illegal drugs (including pot),
> and refusing any personal "friendship" with anyone who is doing
> them. Same with other types of crime.
>
> Stay out of abusive sexual relationships, and platonic
> "friendships."
>
> Stay away from parasites who want to use you for money, a place
> to live, food, etc, since they may become violent when you get
> tired of it, and refuse.
>
> Stay away from anyone with severe mental health issues.
>
> You may have to (or choose to) live in a bad neighbourhood for
> financial reasons, so would have a higher general environmental
> risk.
>
> But lots of victims of murder (and other violence) are attacked
> by sex-partners, "friends," or acquaintances. Such contacts are
> also a major point of theft and other material/financial
> problems. And they are something which is under your own
> control, as far as avoidance.
>
> And, even in a nicer neighbourhood, don't get complacent - you
> will still occasionally encounter drug users and nutcases.

Truely, good points.

However, please re-assure us that these are not the cause of your antipodean
farming lifestyle!

--
R'zenboom

Mr. Fedora

2006-05-30, 5:21 am

<flame on>

Have you ever heard the term "threat assessment"? It is simply stated as
ratio the probability of an event occurring against the severity of the
damage if it occurs.

Threat assessments allow a few hundred dollars for safety in automobiles,
versus several million dollars for safety in nuclear power plants.

Homes could be built of re-enforced concrete and steel, but 98% of the
people who need them could not afford to buy them. That is also why
disasters in developing countries are magnified by the secondary damage by
collapsing structures and infra-structures (e.g. bridges, roads). This is a
country of 300 million, plus. If you were to use a high estimate of the
number of people directly affected by natural disasters in 5 years as 5
million (Hurricanes, forest fires, tornados, earthquakes), it is still a
surprisingly small portion of the populace. Most people in this country
live their entire lives, or generations of lives, without any direct
involvement with the "6 o'clock News".

Besides, life is never risk free. It you find such a place, go there, but
be quiet about it. It is the risks, dangers, and uncertainties of life and
living that gives meaning to a life. Foolish risks are usually rewarded by
having your gaming piece removed from the table, but the rest of us are
doing ok.

<flame off>
"John" <Yosemit@Sam.com> wrote in message
news:r2ng3292kohl675eroe5lbp2oqv216fujb@4ax.com...
>I just wondered what states people would regard as being some of the
> safest places to live in the USA?
>
> When I say "safe" I mean the safest states from dangers such as
&