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Is there any good way of keeping herons out of ones' pond without netting
it?
I've tried the 'dummy' heron without much success and didn't like the idea
of the net across a quite large pond. Wondered if there were other
remedies?
Any help appreciated..
Mark
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| "mark" <noonehere@noads.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Is there any good way of keeping herons out of ones' pond without netting
> it?
> I've tried the 'dummy' heron without much success and didn't like the idea
> of the net across a quite large pond. Wondered if there were other
> remedies?
> Any help appreciated..
>
>
> Mark
>
I was advised, after a Heron had had one of our fish, that they like to land
alongside the pond and dip in, and if you put a few stakes around he
border/edge and a row of string/tape/thin wire there about 6 inches up, then
the Herons cannot get in.
We have one which recce's all the gardens and we see it pass by most days,
our neighbour is going to put a pond in :-(( Have drawn his attention to the
Heron on one of its recce runs :-((
Mike
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| Chris & Patsy 2005-12-29, 9:21 am |
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"mark" <noonehere@noads.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Is there any good way of keeping herons out of ones' pond without netting
> it?
> I've tried the 'dummy' heron without much success and didn't like the idea
> of the net across a quite large pond. Wondered if there were other
> remedies?
> Any help appreciated..
>
>
> Mark
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Fishing Line does the trick, run it across the pond about 3 foot apart. Its
transparent so you can't see it but it keeps the Heron away !
Chris
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"Chris & Patsy" <ChrisandPatsy@oddys.plus.com> wrote in message
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> Fishing Line does the trick, run it across the pond about 3 foot apart.
> Its transparent so you can't see it but it keeps the Heron away !
>
> Chris
Thank you for that.
Do you mean across the top of the water? Or can it run just under the
surface?
And, does it need to be 'criss cross' or just straight lines about 3 feet
apart.
Many Thanks
Mark
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| June Hughes 2005-12-29, 11:21 am |
| In message <43b3d99c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, mark
<noonehere@noads.co.uk> writes
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>Is there any good way of keeping herons out of ones' pond without netting
>it?
>I've tried the 'dummy' heron without much success and didn't like the idea
>of the net across a quite large pond. Wondered if there were other
>remedies?
>Any help appreciated..
>
We have had heron problems since we put in the pond and tend to keep
plants round the outside-edge to prevent them getting anywhere near the
water, although I would have preferred to have it just plain stone. Our
best deterrent is the pair of crows which live in a high tree next door.
I hated crows until the heron came along but they certainly see him off
every time he comes near. Crows can actually be quite comical, although
they tend to deter other birds from visiting the garden , which is a
pity.
--
June Hughes
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"June Hughes" <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <43b3d99c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, mark
> We have had heron problems since we put in the pond and tend to keep
> plants round the outside-edge to prevent them getting anywhere near the
> water, although I would have preferred to have it just plain stone. Our
> best deterrent is the pair of crows which live in a high tree next door. I
> hated crows until the heron came along but they certainly see him off
> every time he comes near. Crows can actually be quite comical, although
> they tend to deter other birds from visiting the garden , which is a pity.
> --
> June Hughes
Thank you June. Unfortunately it's a bloody big heron!! nothing seems to
deter it. I estimate it has had about 40/50 fish so far and that's enough
for me....
It does fly in close to the pond and then wade in (rather than fly directly
into the water, so to speak) so suggestions to prevent that from happening
seem to be a good way forward. I like the idea of the fishing line strung
across the pond. Just need to get it clear in my mind how it should go.
Thank you for the input..
Mark
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| > It does fly in close to the pond and then wade in (rather than fly
directly
> into the water, so to speak) so suggestions to prevent that from happening
> seem to be a good way forward.
In my posting that is what I was trying to describe, sticks with wire on
them round the pond to stop it wading in.
Don't know what frequency its hearing is on, but I wonder if one of those
cat deterants would work? Works bloody fine on cats and foxes :-))))))
I like the idea of the fishing line strung
> across the pond. Just need to get it clear in my mind how it should go.
> Thank you for the input..
>
> Mark
>
>
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| June Hughes 2005-12-29, 11:21 am |
| In message <43b3f4e8_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, mark
<noonehere@noads.co.uk> writes
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>"June Hughes" <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>Thank you June. Unfortunately it's a bloody big heron!! nothing seems to
>deter it. I estimate it has had about 40/50 fish so far and that's enough
>for me....
>It does fly in close to the pond and then wade in (rather than fly directly
>into the water, so to speak) so suggestions to prevent that from happening
>seem to be a good way forward. I like the idea of the fishing line strung
>across the pond. Just need to get it clear in my mind how it should go.
>Thank you for the input..
>
Good luck Mark. Your pond is probably bigger than mine, although our
heron is enormous and lives at the pond on Totteridge Lane, about a mile
from here. I hadn't realised how huge they were until he came and
pinched a couple of koi.
--
June Hughes
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| Sacha 2005-12-29, 11:21 am |
| On 29/12/05 12:42 pm, in article 43b3d99c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"mark" <noonehere@noads.co.uk> wrote:
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> Is there any good way of keeping herons out of ones' pond without netting
> it?
> I've tried the 'dummy' heron without much success and didn't like the idea
> of the net across a quite large pond. Wondered if there were other
> remedies?
> Any help appreciated..
>
>
In the past, I've used fishing line stretched between sticks around the
edges of the pond. It's practically invisible but stops the herons wading
in. The downside is that other birds can sometimes be unwary and get caught
in it but that's only happened once and we rescued it.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| Sacha 2005-12-29, 12:21 pm |
| On 29/12/05 2:38 pm, in article 43b3f4e8_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"mark" <noonehere@noads.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> I like the idea of the fishing line strung
> across the pond. Just need to get it clear in my mind how it should go.
> Thank you for the input..
>
You only need it around the edges of the pond. Herons have to wade into the
pond to get to the fish. So make a surround of fishing line strung taut
between posts or held by being wound round rocks, and put it about 1' or so
in from the edge of the pond, about 12 to 18 inches above the water so that
the heron sees it but can't just step over it. You might have to experiment
a bit for your particular pond but this does work. Of course, if you've got
a huge pond with an island the heron can land on, you'd need to fishline the
perimeter of the island, too! Plants in the pond help, too because the fish
can take cover among their leaves and stems.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| Martin 2005-12-29, 12:21 pm |
| On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:14:42 +0000, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On 29/12/05 12:42 pm, in article 43b3d99c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
>"mark" <noonehere@noads.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In the past, I've used fishing line stretched between sticks around the
>edges of the pond. It's practically invisible but stops the herons wading
>in. The downside is that other birds can sometimes be unwary and get caught
>in it but that's only happened once and we rescued it.
Do you know they can swim? I saw a rather bedraggled heron swimming in
July.
--
Martin
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-12-29, 12:21 pm |
| The message <gzTDGQlkF$sDFwBG@theacct.demon.co.uk>
from June Hughes <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> I hated crows until the heron came along but they certainly see him off
> every time he comes near. Crows can actually be quite comical, although
> they tend to deter other birds from visiting the garden , which is a
> pity.
We were just discussing this at breakfast, watching 6 crows mobbing a
much larger buzzard who was flying past minding his own business. I
don't recall that crows used to be so territorial and bold in and around
domestic gardens. Our crows here don't seem interested in the small
birds, or in seagulls,(all of which compete for food we put out) but
they only have to spot a bird of prey either in the garden or flying
past and they launch a gang-attack. The other day, I watched a
sparrow-hawk on top of the very dense bare hawthorn hedge, trying to
flush out a sparrow lurking just inches below it. Two crows noticed the
fracas and started dive bombing the hawk, eventually driving it away.
Janet
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| June Hughes 2005-12-29, 12:21 pm |
| In message <dp0tib$6ki$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, Mike
<not@here.thanks> writes[color=darkred]
>directly
>
>In my posting that is what I was trying to describe, sticks with wire on
>them round the pond to stop it wading in.
>Don't know what frequency its hearing is on, but I wonder if one of those
>cat deterants would work? Works bloody fine on cats and foxes :-))))))
>
> I like the idea of the fishing line strung
Beware. I used to believe that they always had to wade into the pond
but that is not the case. They can quite happily stand on the side,
spread their wings, case a shadow and filch a fish.
--
June Hughes
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-12-29, 1:21 pm |
| The message <7m08r15n0de28a6768rbm2jji38fparg82@4ax.com>
from Martin <me@privacy.net> contains these words:
> Do you know they can swim? I saw a rather bedraggled heron swimming in
> July.
Stevie Smith's poem comes to mind:
"Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.
Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he's dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.
Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.".
Janet.
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| On 29/12/05 3:50 pm, in article 313030303930323943B405CC53@zetnet.co.uk,
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <gzTDGQlkF$sDFwBG@theacct.demon.co.uk>
> from June Hughes <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
> We were just discussing this at breakfast, watching 6 crows mobbing a
> much larger buzzard who was flying past minding his own business. I
> don't recall that crows used to be so territorial and bold in and around
> domestic gardens. Our crows here don't seem interested in the small
> birds, or in seagulls,(all of which compete for food we put out) but
> they only have to spot a bird of prey either in the garden or flying
> past and they launch a gang-attack. The other day, I watched a
> sparrow-hawk on top of the very dense bare hawthorn hedge, trying to
> flush out a sparrow lurking just inches below it. Two crows noticed the
> fracas and started dive bombing the hawk, eventually driving it away.
>
One rook is a crow, more than one crow are rooks. According to my husband.
We have a rookery in the conifers at the bottom of our garden and in the
churchyard right next door. I cannot describe the fascination of watching
their antics, especially at nesting time when they are raucously determined
beyond belief. One path in our garden is known to us as Bomb Alley. Walk
down there without an umbrella and you'll get all the luck in the world on
your hair, shoulders, back!
We have other big trees here such as oak, ash, beech but their nesting
preference is the Atlantic cedar and the Monterey pines. They do indeed mob
buzzards and I've seen it a few times round here. They are *very*
territorial but seem not to fight or argue with all the other, smaller birds
we have.
Remember - a parliament of rooks, but a murder of crows....... I think
they're intelligent, well-organised and social creatures and watching them
wheel around an early morning or late night sky is something that is just
stupendous. Of course, to watch them flap up this garden, over the back
field, over the field behind that and into the spinney at the top, bringing
back one stick at a time for nest-building (with one of them riding shotgun)
is just wonderful if puzzling as to effort required. OTOH, when they drop
several of the sticks, as they invariably do, one can only wonder WHY they
don't just fly down onto the lawn, pick them up and use them. But no, they
heave a sigh of resignation, lumber into the air (with escort) and fly back
to said spinney yet again. So there has to be a reason for that. Anyone
got Bill Oddie's phone number?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| On 29/12/05 3:38 pm, in article 7m08r15n0de28a6768rbm2jji38fparg82@4ax.com,
"Martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:14:42 +0000, Sacha
> <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Do you know they can swim? I saw a rather bedraggled heron swimming in
> July.
Possibly not the best hatched egg in the nest? They get wet sometimes, I
suppose but I think they prefer not to go for the full immersion thing!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| Bob Hobden 2005-12-29, 4:21 pm |
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"Sacha" wrote ...
>
>
> Possibly not the best hatched egg in the nest? They get wet sometimes, I
> suppose but I think they prefer not to go for the full immersion thing!
>
I've seen them wading so deep that at first glance it looked as if they were
swimming, duck like. Also, be careful with the net idea, I've heard of a
case where the Heron used the net to walk out over the water and stab the
fish below, probably thought it rather good he didn't have to get his feet
wet.
Usual deterrent, as they do like to walk into water, is to put stakes around
the pond edge and then string taught fishing line (monofilament type) around
the pond about a foot high, the Heron comes up to it and doesn't like
touching it. However if you have a shallow section he will be able to land
in that which is why my pond is 3ft straight down all around the edge.
You can also criss cross the pond with said fishing line, but make sure it's
very taught as otherwise you may trap other birds.
--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London
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| On 29/12/05 7:47 pm, in article 41isqrF1e51aeU1@individual.net, "Bob Hobden"
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> "Sacha" wrote ...
I didn't write the above but I did write what is below starting
"Possibly.......".[color=darkred]
>
Bob Hobden wrote:
> I've seen them wading so deep that at first glance it looked as if they were
> swimming, duck like.
<snip>
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-12-29, 10:21 pm |
| The message <BFD9E157.26FA2%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
from Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> One rook is a crow, more than one crow are rooks. According to my husband.
> We have a rookery in the conifers at the bottom of our garden and in the
> churchyard right next door. I cannot describe the fascination of watching
> their antics, especially at nesting time when they are raucously determined
> beyond belief. One path in our garden is known to us as Bomb Alley. Walk
> down there without an umbrella and you'll get all the luck in the world on
> your hair, shoulders, back!
Years ago, a colony of scores of rooks decided to set up a new home
in our wood. For about two days we thought this was delightful; until we
realised what an amazing amount of pooh and racket and
raiding-of-chicken-feeders it entailed. So every night at dusk, we went
out with dustbin lids, tin cans and hammers etc to make so much din they
would leave. The rooks devised all sorts of strategies to outwit us
(pretending to leave, then sneaking back as soon as we went indoors; and
sending a spy-rook to warn the rest we were coming) but eventually they
gave in.
(snip) Of course, to watch them flap up this garden, over the back
> field, over the field behind that and into the spinney at the top, bringing
> back one stick at a time for nest-building (with one of them riding shotgun)
> is just wonderful if puzzling as to effort required. OTOH, when they drop
> several of the sticks, as they invariably do, one can only wonder WHY they
> don't just fly down onto the lawn, pick them up and use them. But no, they
> heave a sigh of resignation, lumber into the air (with escort) and fly back
> to said spinney yet again.
One rook is saying to the other "I told you right at the start that
was the wrong sort of stick; far too big, and doesn't match the rest.
But would you listen? oh no...(nag nag nag)"
Janet
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| On 30/12/05 12:59 am, in article 313030303930323943B4868683@zetnet.co.uk,
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <BFD9E157.26FA2%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
>
> Years ago, a colony of scores of rooks decided to set up a new home
> in our wood. For about two days we thought this was delightful; until we
> realised what an amazing amount of pooh and racket and
> raiding-of-chicken-feeders it entailed. So every night at dusk, we went
> out with dustbin lids, tin cans and hammers etc to make so much din they
> would leave. The rooks devised all sorts of strategies to outwit us
> (pretending to leave, then sneaking back as soon as we went indoors; and
> sending a spy-rook to warn the rest we were coming) but eventually they
> gave in.
I know that to those not used to them, the noise is appalling. One
neighbourhood vandal who was new to the village and who should know better,
even asked us why we didn't just shoot them and get rid of them. But we
absolutely love them and of course, you do realise you've driven away all
your good luck, don't you? It's supposed to be very good luck to have a
rookery in your garden! I especially like it at mating time because they
all fly around hurling abuse at each other, settling into the trees,
shouting raucously and then taking off to do it all again. When The Grand
daughter was even smaller she could sit in her pushchair for ages just
watching them, head tilted back and eyes big round 'O's of astonishment.
>
>
> (snip) Of course, to watch them flap up this garden, over the back
>
> One rook is saying to the other "I told you right at the start that
> was the wrong sort of stick; far too big, and doesn't match the rest.
> But would you listen? oh no...(nag nag nag)"
>
LOL! Apparently, you're not far off. One escorts the other to make sure
the 'she' isn't pounced upon by some stray Lothario type rook. And yes, it
is the female rook that carries the stick......
And then there are the jackdaws squabbling and name-calling on the tea room
lawn, shouting the odds at each other from the chimney pots, resulting in
eerie echoes in the rooms beneath. My small study has a tiny Victorian
fireplace in it and all manner of shapes of twigs are poking downwards from
the chimney. If I ever get them all out, I won't need to fetch any
kindling!
And the other night the tawny owl woke me up with a start, thinking someone
was in the garden shouting at us. Once I realised what it was, I was okay
but it did give me a fright, which is most unusual. Sometimes this place
makes me think it's the equivalent of some kind of avian M25 and it's
absolutely marvellous!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| Martin 2005-12-30, 1:21 pm |
| On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:09:05 +0000, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On 29/12/05 3:38 pm, in article 7m08r15n0de28a6768rbm2jji38fparg82@4ax.com,
>"Martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>
>Possibly not the best hatched egg in the nest? They get wet sometimes, I
>suppose but I think they prefer not to go for the full immersion thing!
I've only ever seen one heron swimming.
--
Martin
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| Martin 2005-12-30, 1:21 pm |
| On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:47:48 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
>
>"Sacha" wrote ...
>
>I've seen them wading so deep that at first glance it looked as if they were
>swimming, duck like.
I sailed past this one. It was 4 metres deep where it was swimming.
There was a dead fish floating near it.
--
Martin
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| PammyT 2005-12-30, 1:21 pm |
|
"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BFDABAAC.2700D%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 30/12/05 12:59 am, in article 313030303930323943B4868683@zetnet.co.uk,
> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
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>
> I know that to those not used to them, the noise is appalling. One
> neighbourhood vandal who was new to the village and who should know
better,
> even asked us why we didn't just shoot them and get rid of them. But we
> absolutely love them and of course, you do realise you've driven away all
> your good luck, don't you? It's supposed to be very good luck to have a
> rookery in your garden! I especially like it at mating time because they
> all fly around hurling abuse at each other, settling into the trees,
> shouting raucously and then taking off to do it all again. When The Grand
> daughter was even smaller she could sit in her pushchair for ages just
> watching them, head tilted back and eyes big round 'O's of astonishment.
bringing[color=darkred]
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they[color=darkred]
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> LOL! Apparently, you're not far off. One escorts the other to make sure
> the 'she' isn't pounced upon by some stray Lothario type rook. And yes,
it
> is the female rook that carries the stick......
> And then there are the jackdaws squabbling and name-calling on the tea
room
> lawn, shouting the odds at each other from the chimney pots, resulting in
> eerie echoes in the rooms beneath. My small study has a tiny Victorian
> fireplace in it and all manner of shapes of twigs are poking downwards
from
> the chimney. If I ever get them all out, I won't need to fetch any
> kindling!
> And the other night the tawny owl woke me up with a start, thinking
someone
> was in the garden shouting at us. Once I realised what it was, I was okay
> but it did give me a fright, which is most unusual. Sometimes this place
> makes me think it's the equivalent of some kind of avian M25 and it's
> absolutely marvellous!
I adore corvids and would love to have a rookery on my land.
I used to like the TV presenter Philip Schofield until he said that he
bought an old house in the country with a 200 year rookery on the land and
didn't like the noise to bought a gas powred bird scarer and had that going
until they had all gone. I thought this was bloody arrogant and typical of
an ignorant townie who moves to the country and expects silence. I think
ancient rookeries should have some sort of listed building type protection.
Philip Schofield is a wally and I never watch anything he presents now
because I want to slap his smug smiley face just thinking about the rookery.
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| On 30/12/05 5:13 pm, in article cVdtf.6$e8.34@news-1.opaltelecom.net,
"PammyT" <fenlandfowl@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> "Sacha" <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:BFDABAAC.2700D%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk...
<snip>
> it
<snip>[color=darkred]
> I adore corvids and would love to have a rookery on my land.
> I used to like the TV presenter Philip Schofield until he said that he
> bought an old house in the country with a 200 year rookery on the land and
> didn't like the noise to bought a gas powred bird scarer and had that going
> until they had all gone. I thought this was bloody arrogant and typical of
> an ignorant townie who moves to the country and expects silence. I think
> ancient rookeries should have some sort of listed building type protection.
> Philip Schofield is a wally and I never watch anything he presents now
> because I want to slap his smug smiley face just thinking about the rookery.
>
>
That's an awful story - what a complete and utter prat. One man who nearly
bought this house before Ray did was put off by the rookery but at least he
didn't buy it and get rid of them! Apart from their noisiest moments when
breeding, we tend to notice them more when they go silent and take their
summer holidays. They disappear for a few weeks and are to be seen on
harvested fields, gleaning. But where they roost at that time, I don't
know.
I mentioned that rookeries are good luck - how's Schofield's career doing, I
wonder! I could never stand him and always thought him a vapid fool,
frankly, with all the depth of a soup spoon.
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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| Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>One rook is a crow, more than one crow are rooks.
But what about two - never more than two?
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Klara, Gatwick basin
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| Martin 2005-12-30, 3:21 pm |
| On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:21:40 +0000, Klara <klara@nospams.co.uk> wrote:
>Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>
>But what about two - never more than two?
A crow never mates?
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Martin
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| On 30/12/05 18:21, in article xM+CJlQ0qXtDFwp9@comcrafts.demon.co.uk,
"Klara" <klara@nospams.co.uk> wrote:
> Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
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> But what about two - never more than two?
Never more than two rooks, do you mean? Scores of rooks in our experience!
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| On 30/12/05 18:45, in article 710br1h942d7kfgqn1ovuf4dvabpbfbq5l@4ax.com,
"Martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:21:40 +0000, Klara <klara@nospams.co.uk> wrote:
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> A crow never mates?
They're very discreet about it. ;-) Hush.
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| In message <BFDB71F9.270BE%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
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>Never more than two rooks, do you mean? Scores of rooks in our
>experience!
Well, two somethings ... I keep trying to apply the one or many rule,
but we always have a pair: too many to be crows, too few to be rooks. We
may have the one and only sociable or faithful pair of crows (they do
look like crows)!
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Klara, Gatwick basin
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| On 31/12/05 8:42, in article LLe8IhA3RktDFw$3@comcrafts.demon.co.uk, "Klara"
<klara@nospams.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <BFDB71F9.270BE%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>, Sacha
> <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>
> Well, two somethings ... I keep trying to apply the one or many rule,
> but we always have a pair: too many to be crows, too few to be rooks. We
> may have the one and only sociable or faithful pair of crows (they do
> look like crows)!
I don't know how you tell rooks and crows apart, other than the number
thing, so I think you're doomed to puzzlement! Maybe you've discovered some
new twist of corvid behaviour that nobody else knows about. Apparently
there IS a difference between rooks and crows but I'm darned if I could see
it. However, just remember it's a parliament of rooks but a murder of
crows... I wonder what the collective noun for buzzards is. We once saw
more than half a dozen sitting stock still, spread out over a field near
here but have never seen that before or since.
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-12-31, 8:21 am |
| The message <BFDC061F.27152%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
from Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> I don't know how you tell rooks and crows apart, other than the number
> thing, so I think you're doomed to puzzlement!
Since this thread began I looked that up in me bird book. There's
very little difference in the size. The beaks and plumage are slightly
different; crows have a heavier-duty beak. We've had ours under close
observation with the binoculars today and I *think* they're crows; they
are a very small group and at least four of them are a pair (who nested
in a large conifer next door), and their feckless teenagers hatched this
year.
Janet
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| In message <313030303930323943B661EC14@zetnet.co.uk>, Janet Baraclough
<janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>The message <BFDC061F.27152%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
>from Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
> Since this thread began I looked that up in me bird book. There's
>very little difference in the size. The beaks and plumage are slightly
>different; crows have a heavier-duty beak. We've had ours under close
>observation with the binoculars today and I *think* they're crows; they
>are a very small group and at least four of them are a pair (who nested
>in a large conifer next door), and their feckless teenagers hatched this
>year.
>
> Janet
They do seem to have massive beaks and kind of a wrestler's neck; I
think they must be crows.
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Klara, Gatwick basin
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| Martin 2005-12-31, 12:21 pm |
| On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:24:07 +0000, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On 30/12/05 18:45, in article 710br1h942d7kfgqn1ovuf4dvabpbfbq5l@4ax.com,
>"Martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>They're very discreet about it. ;-) Hush.
Caw, stone the crows.
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Martin
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| On 31/12/05 10:48, in article 313030303930323943B661EC14@zetnet.co.uk,
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <BFDC061F.27152%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
> Since this thread began I looked that up in me bird book. There's
> very little difference in the size. The beaks and plumage are slightly
> different; crows have a heavier-duty beak. We've had ours under close
> observation with the binoculars today and I *think* they're crows; they
> are a very small group and at least four of them are a pair (who nested
> in a large conifer next door), and their feckless teenagers hatched this
> year.
>
Hmmmmmmmm. I think you've been rooked. ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| On 31/12/05 16:02, in article pqadr193b4b3vr1vfrppvssb3k0192c8si@4ax.com,
"Martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:24:07 +0000, Sacha
> <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Caw, stone the crows.
Very Good!
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
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| Janet Galpin 2005-12-31, 3:21 pm |
| The message <313030303930323943B661EC14@zetnet.co.uk>
from Janet Baraclough <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> The message <BFDC061F.27152%sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sacha@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
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> Since this thread began I looked that up in me bird book. There's
> very little difference in the size. The beaks and plumage are slightly
> different; crows have a heavier-duty beak. We've had ours under close
> observation with the binoculars today and I *think* they're crows; they
> are a very small group and at least four of them are a pair (who nested
> in a large conifer next door), and their feckless teenagers hatched this
> year.
> Janet
Rooks have a light grey area round the beak at the front of their face
but unfortunately (for identification purposes) not all of them. Young
rooks, I believe, don't have the light face area and therefore look just
like crows.
Janet G
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