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> 'more effort' has a newbie to gardening got to make, and where, before
> they
> are 'allowed' to post on this newsgroup?
>
> --
> National Service (RAF) XXX. Cosford 24 - 27 June Spitfire Fly Past
> H.M.S.Impregnable XXX. Sussex 1 - 4 July Visit to Int. Fest of the Sea
> RAF Regiment Assoc. Scarborough 2 - 5 Sept. Visit to Eden Camp
> H.M.S.Collingwood Assn Trafalgar Dinner. Coventry October 21 - 24
>
>

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> Excuse top posting.....have been gardening since 1935 or there

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> that qualify me?
>
> "Mike" <not@this.com> wrote in message
> news:d98ih7$pm6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>
>

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>Excuse top posting.....have been gardening since 1935 or there abouts...does
>that qualify me?
>

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> In message <GfednfHNtNYusSXfRVn-3Q@comcast.com>, Harold Walker
> <middleton.walker@comcast.net> writes
> Anyone can post here. Unless people are abusive or offensive, others
> normally make them welcome. If they have as much gardening experience as
> you, they generally make several new virtual friends. Some of us have even
> been known to meet on occasion. If you are unsure of the etiquette,
> don't worry. Someone is bound to be a bit rude about it but don't let
> that get you down. Most people here are friendly. Dive in and have a go.
> --
> June Hughes

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> I have lived in the land of the Barbarians (George Bush et al) so long

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> I no longer know the meaning of the word 'etiquette' so that is the least

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> my concerns...perhaps I will have to take a refresher course in the next

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> weeks so that my stay in the UK might go without too many disturbing
> incidences............H
>
>

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> that
> of
> two
>
> Harold, if you were brought up in the UK, you have the training set by
> your
> parents and it will soon return.
>
> Have a nice stay over here.
>
> Mike

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>
> --
> National Service (RAF) XXX. Cosford 24 - 27 June Spitfire Fly Past
> H.M.S.Impregnable XXX. Sussex 1 - 4 July Visit to Int. Fest of the Sea
> RAF Regiment Assoc. Scarborough 2 - 5 Sept. Visit to Eden Camp
> H.M.S.Collingwood Assn Trafalgar Dinner. Coventry October 21 - 24
>
>

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>
> Over here in time for the International Festival of the Sea at Pompey? If
> so
> call in to the 'R.N.Shipmate's' Stand, I have a representation and display
> for the Fleet Air Arm Association. (And possibly a tot or two of Pussers
> :-))
>
> Mike

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>
>"June Hughes" <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:XLJD6ygA$CuCFwAS@theacct.demon.co.uk...
>
>I have lived in the land of the Barbarians (George Bush et al) so long that
>I no longer know the meaning of the word 'etiquette' so that is the least of
>my concerns...perhaps I will have to take a refresher course in the next two
>weeks so that my stay in the UK might go without too many disturbing
>incidences............H
>
>

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> In message <TaydnWZ3H8mLzSXfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, Harold Walker
> <middleton.walker@comcast.net> writes
> Enjoy! 'Etiquette' doesn't matter these days (except that we still queue
> for most things). We still have people who think they were born better
> than others but they are best ignored.
>
> Have a lovely stay in the old country.
> --
> June Hughes

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> better than others but they are best ignored.
>

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> "EVERYBODY" is welcome on this newsgroup, whether you have only been
> gardening since 1935, or are like the 'owners' have been gardening since the
> days Adam was about, (I think they knew him.

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> I have lived in the land of the Barbarians (George Bush et al) so long that
> I no longer know the meaning of the word 'etiquette' so that is the
> least of
> my concerns...perhaps I will have to take a refresher course in the
> next two
> weeks so that my stay in the UK might go without too many disturbing
> incidences............H

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>
> I thought I gave you the gen:
>
> You'll need a loud check tweed plus-four suit, green, yellow and red
> check hose, stout shoes and spats, Ecky Thump cap, etc.
>
> The cigar is *OUT*, but a pipe would be acceptable.
>
> Sunday wear is a long frock coat and matching trousers, and a hat must
> be worn. Toppers are not much worn these days, and Cokes (bowlers to hoi
> polloi) are reserved for weekdays, usually in the city, so a Homburg
> would be favourite. Sunday afternoons are more relaxed, and a Panama may
> be sported by the more racy dresser.
>
> The practice od addressing all men as 'Sir' and all women as 'Ma'am' has
> largely gone, much to the chagrin of many, but to the delight of the
> younger generation.
>
> Gerard Hoffnung had some excellent advice for visitors to the country
> during the Festival of Britain, some of which I shall repeat:
>
> "All London brothels display a blue lamp."
>
> "Zebra parking places provided everywhere."
>
> "You will oblige your chambermaid by hanging your mattress out of the
> bedroom window every morning."
>
> "Have you tried the famous echo in the Reading Room of the British
> Museum?"
>
> "On entering a railway compartment, be sure to shake hands with all the
> passengers."
>
> (Gerard Hoffnung at the Oxford Union) - on a 10" 33·3 rpm Columbia, IIRC
>
> --
> Rusty
> Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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> Perhaps and most likely you did but living in this land of such dumbwits
> like George Bush has somewhat slowed down my absorption rate....thanks for
> the reminders....must do a spot of shopping to outfit myself when I go a
> visiting to see the new Archbishop of York..

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> and perhaps various locals in
> London....what type of colorful dress would you advise for such an
> occasion?..+

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> seeing that I will be travelling on the UK trains do Ineed a
> pair of white silk gloves for handshaking.......H

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> The message <TfednTrBd4K2syTfRVn-oQ@comcast.com>
> from "Harold Walker" <middleton.walker@comcast.net> contains these words:
>

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>
> Well, for visiting His Grace, I'd suggest sackcloth and ashes at the
> very least. ////////////will an old spud sack do for the sackcloth....just
> cut a hole in the bottom and stick it ove r my head.

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> Rusty
> Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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>
>Ah yes, a good man, and from what little I know of him, he sounds like a
>breath of fresh air. The 'Evangelical' bit worries me a little, though,
>and I hope (not Hope) it won't be reflected in the content of Choral
>Evensong...
>

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> In article <313030303230303842B95ADD72@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>, Jaques
> d'Alltrades <creaking.gate@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> writes
> Lets hope the 'Evangelical crap" over here does not take over there.....H

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> Perhaps one more work of advise...am picking up steam on my three speed
> Sturmey Archer Raleigh bike.....do I need a helmet these days....would hate
> to break the law again over there...last time I did got fined 35 quid and
> that was back in 1955...was caught poaching with about 25 grouse in the
> car....received the fine in the post the very day I sailed for the
> USA.....H

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> In article <313030303230303842B95ADD72@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>, Jaques
> d'Alltrades <creaking.gate@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> writes
[vbcol=seagreen]
> And today brings news of the death of Cardinal Sin - an absolutely
> fantastic name.

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>The message <RNHSL5IT3WuCFwAk@benevolent.org.uk>
>from newsb <news@benevolent.org.uk> contains these words:
>
>
>The world will be a poorer place...
>

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> The message <peqdnSMjDZY0-iTfRVn-iQ@comcast.com>
> from "Harold Walker" <middleton.walker@comcast.net> contains these words:
>
>
> Helmets are not compulsory, though you may find no-one will speak to you
> if you don't wear one. Also, it is de rigeur to wear at least one
> reflective bandolier and to have flickering bright LED lights fore and
> aft, and another on the back of your (reflective belt.
>
> A GRP or carbon fibre whip is expected, and this should have a flag
> proclaiming National Road safety Week on top.
>
> I shall be watching out for you, BTW. While we don't have grice down
> here, we have plenty of peasants and cartridges on the jolly old estate,
> what?
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Rusty
> Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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> Helmets are not compulsory, though you may find no-one will speak to you
> if you don't wear one. Also, it is de rigeur to wear at least one
> reflective bandolier and to have flickering bright LED lights fore and
> aft, and another on the back of your (reflective belt.
>
> A GRP or carbon fibre whip is expected, and this should have a flag
> proclaiming National Road safety Week on top.
>
> I shall be watching out for you, BTW. While we don't have grice down
> here, we have plenty of peasants and cartridges on the jolly old estate,
> what?
>
> HTH///////////////oh dear me....think I will stick to Shank's pony
> instead......H
>
> --
> Rusty
> Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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> I tried mailing you but my mail bounced, so I am having to resort to
> posting. Here goes:
>
> You are really enjoying this thread, aren't you? Well, I have to tell you
> that I am also enjoying it. Not much about gardening there but lots of
> humour. Just what we need at present. Thanks. Carry on the good work
> --
> June Hughes/////////at least there was a little about gardening in one of
> the later posts...I wondered if a potato sack would do when I visit the
> Archbishop of York....suspect that meeting will be a little different than
> when the Archbishop of York, Dr. Temple, laid his hands upon my head...the
> halo went away very quickly tho...surely that comes under the heading of
> something to do with gardening.....the potato sack that is....H

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> I tried mailing you but my mail bounced,

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>
>
>

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>The message <8$yJHcWu$buCFwXG@theacct.demon.co.uk>
>from June Hughes <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
>The key's in the sig, but I think it needs a bit of de-crosswording...
>
>How's this?
>

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> I thought I had taken the relevant bits out but probably my typing was
> naff. Sorry

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>
> You'd better bring your sack with you, as potato sacks over here are
> molished from multi-layered brown paper, and not *QUITE* the thing for a
> visit to an archbishop. After all, the ashes don't get to work their way
> in and mortify the flesh.
>
> And of course, His Grace's carpet.....> Rusty

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> Should I bring a few extra farthings as a tip for his worship...after all I
> do remember 'summat' about the widow's mite....H

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> Maybe he might donate to my church even tho it has been somewhat 'at rest'
> for many a year....oh yes, I do have a church with members... perhaps did
> would be a better word....mail order church...had fun with that a number of
> years ago...a fellow out in California that claimed he could neither read
> nor write but could preach established what is known as the Universal Life
> Church....millions joined it.....it did have some distinct advantages which
> the internal revenue did not like so the church landed up in
> court...eventually the case landed up in the Supreme Court of the USA...the
> ruling was that it was a legitimate church and the Internal Revenue service
> was ordered to leave us alone and do our thing.....I still have a valid
> Press Pass from "our" church but of course no longer think of using
> it....have an Honary D. D. (that was expensive...cost me all of
> $25.00).....also a minister with all of the so called priveledges of any
> other minister...free to marry folk etc. and accept their confessions
> etc.....also a Bishop in the church (inactive of course)....as with the
> masonic order once a mason always a mason and thus once a minister always a
> minister unless defrocked and such a good boy as I defrocking would never
> take place. Enough of that and now must get back to my bread baking.....H

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>The message <o$xM38CijeuCFwFd@theacct.demon.co.uk>
>from June Hughes <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
>You probably left the 'foobar' there.
>

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> Perhaps one more work of advise...am picking up steam on my three speed
> Sturmey Archer Raleigh bike.....do I need a helmet these days....would hate
> to break the law again over there...last time I did got fined 35 quid and
> that was back in 1955...was caught poaching with about 25 grouse in the
> car....received the fine in the post the very day I sailed for the
> USA.....H

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>the gun is optional, but if you wish to be
> accepted in polite society, they should be a pair, and by a good
> gunmaker.
>
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/temp/game.html

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> On 26/6/05 17:11, in article 313030303230303842BEE1B568@foobar.zetnet.co.uk,
> "Jaques d'Alltrades" <creaking.gate@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

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> <snip>
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I'm told even over and unders are acceptable nowadays, though I find that
> hard to credit!

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> The message <BEE4994A.19647%sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
>
> Much favoured, too. The original (flintlock) doubles were
> over-and-under, side-by-side found favour because, IIRC, it was cheaper
> to make.
>
> Many of the Guns use 20-bore O-&-Us - even the posher ones.

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> On 26/6/05 21:58, in article
> 313030303230303842BF250936@foobar.zetnet.co.uk, "Jaques

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> <creaking.gate@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
words:[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I'll take your word for it - I'm certainly not up to date! Many
> years ago (at least 20) when my ex-husband shot with matched

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> over and unders were literally shudder-making to the cognoscenti

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> I remember as being very snooty about such guns. Now, my memory
> fails me, but is there something about O&Us being more accurate, or
> am I imagining that? I know they were popular for clay shooting.

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[vbcol=seagreen]
> I'll take your word for it - I'm certainly not up to date! Many years ago
> (at least 20) when my ex-husband shot with matched Purdeys, over and unders
> were literally shudder-making to the cognoscenti who I remember as being
> very snooty about such guns.

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> Now, my memory fails me, but is there
> something about O&Us being more accurate, or am I imagining that?

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> I know
> they were popular for clay shooting.

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> I think there is a theoretical improvement in accuracy, though it's
> hard to see exactly why. But interesting to see what Rusty said about
> manufacturing cost: the late great Thurlow Craig told me that O-U
> were much easier to make to an equivalent standard than
> side-by-sides.

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> I think the prejudice was just snobbery because O-Us
> _were_ actually cheaper and perhaps don't look so nice. I don't mind
> snobbery about self-loading automatics, though, which is about
> sportsmanship, not money.

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> The message <BEE4DFB3.196D2%sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> O&Us
>
>
>
> might I be so bold as to suggest that by 'cognoiscenti' he meant
> 'wealthy'? Those who weren't up with the history of gunmaking...

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>
>
> They're lighter, so can be brought to the target more quickly, and being
> lighter, the kick is heavier, leading to the (mistaken) belief that they
> are harder-hitting.
>
>
> They still are - you seldom see a side-by-side in serious competition
> these days.

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> The message <3i8r8oFkcvt1U1@individual.net>
> from "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
> They are now, with breech-loading, but when double-barrelled guns were
> first made there were two main types: the one-lock with turn-round
> barrels, and the fixed barrels with two locks. The former was cheaper to
> produce than a twin-lock gun but could suffer from wear and working
> loose because of the repeated hammering it got from the shots. The other
> had twin locks and the barrels were fixed.
>
> There were some really fine guns made to both patterns, but the best O&U
> ones I've seen were the fixed barrel types.
>
> Side-by-sides only really started quite well into the flintlock period.
>
>
> The Captain of at least one of the local syndicates uses an
> over-and-under - indeed, I've never seen him with a side-by-side...

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>
>Where can you get clay traps for 'home use'?

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>
> Is it possible that the O&U prejudice started not just because they were
> cheaper to make but because they actually *are* more accurate and
> therefore
> gave the birds less of a 'sporting chance'?
> --
>
> Sacha
> (remove the weeds for email)

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>

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> I really don't know how wealthy they were and don't now remember any names -
> I do know that this was a shoot in Hampshire to which he was invited
> occasionally (he didn't shoot all that often) and that the idea of a O&U was
> apparently a serious 'no no'.

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[vbcol=seagreen]
> Where can you get clay traps for 'home use'?

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[vbcol=seagreen]
> Is it possible that the O&U prejudice started not just because they were
> cheaper to make but because they actually *are* more accurate and therefore
> gave the birds less of a 'sporting chance'?

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> In article <BEE55871.19735%sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk>,
> Sacha <sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Any of the major shooting suppliers. They come in all types from
> cheap and tinny up to the expensive ones used in shooting schools.
> I don't know if any are well-adapted to using by a single person.

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>
>
> Somehow or other I suspect that the gun I used for poaching does not belong
> in "this arena"....it was a .22 BSA airgun...H
>
>

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> The message <d9o8ja$fmc$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>
> from nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
>
>
> If 'using by a single person' means the person shooting the clays
> operates the trap, the answer is yes, but not at a realistic price.

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> Somehow or other I suspect that the gun I used for poaching does not belong
> in "this arena"....it was a .22 BSA airgun...H

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> The message <OPednQ3yBaXDLyLfRVn-3Q@comcast.com>
> from "Harold Walker" <middleton.walker@comcast.net> contains these words:
>
>
> Side-by-side, or over-and-under?
>
> (I'm a real bounder, and have a pre-charged air rifle with a 10-shot
> pellet magazine.)

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>
> --
> Rusty
> Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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[vbcol=seagreen]
> Is that with a a CO2 cylinder?.....I used to have a .177pellet
> revolver with
> a magazine and cylinder for charging...H