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| solaara 2005-07-27, 5:21 pm |
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whats all this mumbo jumbo on this site...e.g.brian, hav a kind yogi,
you won't fill it..I cant make head nor tail of it.I thought this was
garden banter and not an anagram site...solaara
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solaara
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| Jaques d'Alltrades 2005-07-27, 8:21 pm |
| The message <solaara.1sugvz@gardenbanter.co.uk>
from solaara <solaara.1sugvz@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
> whats all this mumbo jumbo on this site...e.g.brian, hav a kind yogi,
> you won't fill it..I cant make head nor tail of it.I thought this was
> garden banter and not an anagram site...solaara
No, this is not a 'site': you've wandered on to a proper newsgroup by
accident.
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Rusty
Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-07-27, 9:21 pm |
| The message <solaara.1sugvz@gardenbanter.co.uk>
from solaara <solaara.1sugvz@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
> whats all this mumbo jumbo on this site...e.g.brian, hav a kind yogi,
> you won't fill it..I cant make head nor tail of it.
It's our summer mumbojumbo fayre. You can't get the translation CD
until you pay your subscription.
>I thought this was
> garden banter
I think we've told you this before, it's not gardenbanter. This is a
newsgroup which existed long before that lamebrains website and is
completely independent of it.
Janet.
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"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote
> solaara <solaara.1sugvz@gardenbanter.co.uk>
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> I think we've told you this before, it's not gardenbanter. This is a
> newsgroup which existed long before that lamebrains website and is
> completely independent of it.
It's much harder to make sense of branching threads on a web-based bulletin
board layout, plus they always seem so slow and clunky. I can never see why
anyone wants to use them if they can read and post to the same group via
newsreader software.
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| Bob Smith \(UK\) 2005-07-28, 4:21 am |
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"Sue" <naiad_zapspam@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote
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> It's much harder to make sense of branching threads on a web-based
> bulletin
> board layout, plus they always seem so slow and clunky. I can never see
> why
> anyone wants to use them if they can read and post to the same group via
> newsreader software.
>
Because most people don't know newsgroups exist.
Bob
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| Dave Poole 2005-07-28, 5:21 am |
| Sue wrote:
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>It's much harder to make sense of branching threads on a web-based bulletin
>board layout, plus they always seem so slow and clunky. I can never see why
>anyone wants to use them if they can read and post to the same group via
>newsreader software.
While fully agreeing with this comment, there are a few web-based
groups run by eager specialists that are generally easy and fast to
use. I occasionally pop in to UK Oasis, which satisfies my
fascination for all things deemed impossible to grow out of doors in
the UK. It shows how well and smoothly a web-based board can run - in
stark contrast to Garden Banter. But - there's just no reason to go
through GB in order to get here. Even if you use the dreaded OE, you
can d/load this newsgroup group and access it direct.
OOps - just realised that I've set my reader up to not allow postings
to show on GB - better change it back just this once ;)
Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November
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| martin 2005-07-28, 6:21 am |
| On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:10:52 +0100, "Sue"
<naiad_zapspam@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
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>"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote
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>It's much harder to make sense of branching threads on a web-based bulletin
>board layout, plus they always seem so slow and clunky. I can never see why
>anyone wants to use them if they can read and post to the same group via
>newsreader software.
Most people are ignorant of the existence of news groups.
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Martin
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"martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:10:52 +0100, "Sue"
> <naiad_zapspam@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
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> Most people are ignorant of the existence of news groups.
How do you know that?
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| martin 2005-07-28, 8:21 am |
| On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:21:22 +0100, "BAC"
<casswalk@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
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>"martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:uq7he1p4mvitg8c6uvfcrs56321rg8tlnh@4ax.com...
>bulletin
>why
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>How do you know that?
How many people post to this newsgroup out of the hundreds of
thousands of UK gardeners with Internet access. Why are garden banter
posters confused when they are told that they are using a newsgroup?
Newsgroups wouldn't work if all those who could use them did use them.
Did you ever notice how few people vote in UK usenet committee
elections?
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Martin
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| In article <solaara.1sugvz@gardenbanter.co.uk>, solaara <solaara.1sugvz@
gardenbanter.co.uk> writes
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>whats all this mumbo jumbo on this site...e.g.brian, hav a kind yogi,
>you won't fill it..I cant make head nor tail of it.I thought this was
>garden banter and not an anagram site...solaara
>
No. This is a newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.
gardenbanter merely copies it for you, and acts as a posting box.
The mumbojumbo is a hostile attack - see other threads for further
explanation.
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Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"
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| Rusty Hinge 2005-07-28, 9:21 am |
| The message <1122546651.29701.2@eunomia.uk.clara.net>
from "BAC" <casswalk@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> contains these words:
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> How do you know that?
I met a lecturer in IT at a large college who, when I gave him the name
of a newsgroup asked: "Do you put www before that?"
With such specialised ignorance, it's hardly surprising that many people
never even hear about the existence of newsgroups.
Or Telnet.
--
Rusty
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who read binary and
those who don't.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
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"martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:21:22 +0100, "BAC"
> <casswalk@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
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> How many people post to this newsgroup out of the hundreds of
> thousands of UK gardeners with Internet access.
You seem to be presupposing that anyone with internet access who is aware of
the existence of newsgroups will post to them, but i'm not sure that is
correct. I know there are people who read newsgroups but don't post to them,
and other people who are well aware of the existence of newsgroups but
seldom if ever use them - either because they don't find them very
interesting or are scared of their addresses being harvested, or perhaps
couldn't be bothered to find some which interest them, or are scared off by
'netiquette' stuff, or they find the content offensive, or whatever.
Why are garden banter
> posters confused when they are told that they are using a newsgroup?
Perhaps some garden banter users are unaware of the existence of newsgroups,
before it is explained to them. Perhaps some of them prefer to use garden
banter, for some unknown reason.
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> Newsgroups wouldn't work if all those who could use them did use them.
Perhaps not, but again it doesn't necessarily follow that everybody who
doesn't use a service is unaware that such services exist. For example,
there are many people who seldom if ever use buses (or churches, or ladies
of the night) but I expect they realise that such exist.
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> Did you ever notice how few people vote in UK usenet committee
> elections?
No, but then I'm surprised anybody votes in UK usenet committee elections
:-)
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| martin 2005-07-28, 11:21 am |
| On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:15:10 +0100, "BAC"
<casswalk@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
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>No, but then I'm surprised anybody votes in UK usenet committee elections
>:-)
There I agree with you. :-)
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Martin
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"Dave Poole" <daverpoole@nomail.co.uk> wrote
> While fully agreeing with this comment, there are a few web-based
> groups run by eager specialists that are generally easy and fast to
> use. I occasionally pop in to UK Oasis, which satisfies my
> fascination for all things deemed impossible to grow out of doors in
> the UK. It shows how well and smoothly a web-based board can run - in
> stark contrast to Garden Banter. But - there's just no reason to go
> through GB in order to get here. Even if you use the dreaded OE, you
> can d/load this newsgroup group and access it direct.
And it isn't difficult. Every ISP I've ever had an account with has given
an explanation of Usenet in their welcome info or FAQs, with step by step
intructions on how to get started .
P'raps people assume it's all to do with news headlines so never
investigate the possibilities.
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-07-28, 12:21 pm |
| The message <313030303230303842E8CA6E61@zetnet.co.uk>
from Rusty Hinge <horrid.squeak@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> The message <1122546651.29701.2@eunomia.uk.clara.net>
> from "BAC" <casswalk@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> contains these words:
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> I met a lecturer in IT at a large college who, when I gave him the name
> of a newsgroup asked: "Do you put www before that?"
> With such specialised ignorance, it's hardly surprising that many people
> never even hear about the existence of newsgroups.
You think that's bad? I gave some broad and runner beans to a senior
IT lecturer at Glasgow's major teacher training college.
Her 8 yr old picked up a broad bean pod, bit it and spat it out, and
said "Yuck mum, what is that horrid thing?"
She replied "I've no idea, darling, you'll have to ask Janet.
She didn't recognise the runner beans either, having only ever seen
them sliced and frozen.
Janet.
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| Ian Cummings 2005-07-28, 1:21 pm |
| In message <4j4he11rpd6vif78p59daqp8h2i6cekec2@4ax.com>, Dave Poole
<daverpoole@nomail.co.uk> writes
>OOps - just realised that I've set my reader up to not allow postings
>to show on GB -
How (and why?) do you do that ?
>better change it back just this once ;)
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Ian Cummings
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| Jaques d'Alltrades 2005-07-28, 3:21 pm |
| The message <42e8e19e$0$37370$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>
from "Sue" <naiad_zapspam@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
> "Dave Poole" <daverpoole@nomail.co.uk> wrote
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> And it isn't difficult. Every ISP I've ever had an account with has given
> an explanation of Usenet in their welcome info or FAQs, with step by step
> intructions on how to get started .
> P'raps people assume it's all to do with news headlines so never
> investigate the possibilities.
Anyone who uses ZIMACS, Zetnet's in-house news and mailreader, has to
carry at least one newsgroup (but of course, can't be forced to read it)
- zetnet.announce, and they are provided with another, zetnet.answers.
The former announces any important events such as servicing of servers,
change of telephone numbers or other seismic events, while the latter
carries a number of FAQ posts about Usenet, netiquette, protocols, etc,
and unless changed in Setup, has an expiry period of a year...
--
Rusty
Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
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| Jaques d'Alltrades 2005-07-28, 3:21 pm |
| The message <313030303930323942E8FF1E59@zetnet.co.uk>
from Janet Baraclough <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> The message <313030303230303842E8CA6E61@zetnet.co.uk>
> from Rusty Hinge <horrid.squeak@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
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> You think that's bad? I gave some broad and runner beans to a senior
> IT lecturer at Glasgow's major teacher training college.
> Her 8 yr old picked up a broad bean pod, bit it and spat it out, and
> said "Yuck mum, what is that horrid thing?"
> She replied "I've no idea, darling, you'll have to ask Janet.
> She didn't recognise the runner beans either, having only ever seen
> them sliced and frozen.
<wail!>
Posted in the Shed following a similar stimulation:
I went to get milk for the staff [8·76] tea. The shop had a crate of
milk beside the counter. I eyed it with disfavour: a choice of
sterilised or homogenised. [6¼]
[8·76] Eastbury School, Barking
[6¼] Homogenised tasted nearly as awful as sterilised in those days. [99]
[99] late '60s
Me: "Haven't you got any *REAL* milk?
She: "Nah, Luv, all we've got is cah's miwk."
--
Rusty
Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
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| Rod Craddock 2005-07-28, 6:21 pm |
| "Jaques d'Alltrades" <creaking.gate@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303230303842E925AF63@foobar.zetnet.co.uk...
> Me: "Haven't you got any *REAL* milk?
>
> She: "Nah, Luv, all we've got is cah's miwk."
>
We've got a lad working with us this summer - offered him some ripe
Gooseberries- very sweet red ones.
Him: "Don't like 'em"
Me: "ever tasted Gooseberries?"
Him: "No"
Me: "er......................?????"
--
Rod
My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp
Just remove the weedy bits
and transplant the appropriate symbol at.
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| JennyC 2005-07-29, 11:21 am |
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"Dave Poole" <daverpoole@nomail.co.uk> wrote
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> OOps - just realised that I've set my reader up to not allow postings
> to show on GB - better change it back just this once ;)
How do you do that Dave?
Jenny
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-07-29, 4:21 pm |
| The message <3kup5cFvme10U1@individual.net>
from "JennyC" <JennyC.squirrel@chello.nl> contains these words:
> "Dave Poole" <daverpoole@nomail.co.uk> wrote
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> How do you do that Dave?
Set your newsreader to automatically mark every sent post
"x-no-archive". Gardenbanter won't display them.
Janet.
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| Ian Cummings 2005-07-29, 5:21 pm |
| In message <313030303930323942EA823339@zetnet.co.uk>, Janet Baraclough
<janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>The message <3kup5cFvme10U1@individual.net>
>from "JennyC" <JennyC.squirrel@chello.nl> contains these words:
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> Set your newsreader to automatically mark every sent post
>"x-no-archive".
ITYM "X-No-Archive: yes"
I thought as much - seems Dave forgot to change it "just this once" 
>Gardenbanter won't display them.
It doesn't quite do what people expect it to though. There is nothing
laid down re. dealing with quoting of an article with the X-No-Archive:
yes header. Consequently, there are many such articles on Gardenbanter
(and all of the other Usenet archives that may not honour that header)
regards,
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Ian Cummings
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| Mike Lyle 2005-07-29, 7:21 pm |
| Ian Cummings wrote:
> In message <313030303930323942EA823339@zetnet.co.uk>, Janet
Baraclough
> <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> writes
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> ITYM "X-No-Archive: yes"
>
> I thought as much - seems Dave forgot to change it "just this once"
>
>
> It doesn't quite do what people expect it to though. There is
nothing
> laid down re. dealing with quoting of an article with the
> X-No-Archive: yes header. Consequently, there are many such
articles
> on Gardenbanter (and all of the other Usenet archives that may not
> honour that header)
And also ensuring that GB readers have even less chance to see what
we offer here.
--
Mike.
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| Janet Baraclough 2005-07-29, 9:21 pm |
| The message <KKyqFAGJro6CFwCV@btinternet.com>
from Ian Cummings <news.spam@glitton.org.uk> contains these words:
> In message <313030303930323942EA823339@zetnet.co.uk>, Janet Baraclough
> <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> writes
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> ITYM "X-No-Archive: yes"
Yes :-)
> I thought as much - seems Dave forgot to change it "just this once"
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> It doesn't quite do what people expect it to though. There is nothing
> laid down re. dealing with quoting of an article with the X-No-Archive:
> yes header. Consequently, there are many such articles on Gardenbanter
> (and all of the other Usenet archives that may not honour that header)
Gardenbanter used not to honour it. Then they changed policy and did
.. I haven't looked recently to see whether they still do. They don't
display any original post-headers at all so one could only tell if one
had seen the headers elsewhere.
Google's archive also had a change of policy when it wanted people to
use google-groups to read and post to usenet. Before, when it was mainly
just an archive, posts marked x-no-archive-yes never appeared there.
Currently, they appear for 7 days then expire.
It's possible gardenbanter has now adopted a similar policy, but I
haven't bothered checking.
Janet
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