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new boy, no understand?
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| Muddymike 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
| What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of attack
from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have been
reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever reading
elsewhere.
Is it always like this?
Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
Will I attract the abuse now?
Mike
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| La Puce 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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Muddymike wrote:
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of attack
> from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have been
> reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever reading
> elsewhere.
> Is it always like this?
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
> Will I attract the abuse now?
Please don't go. It will eventually stop when they go away. Try not to
get involved and keep to the good posts. I'm certainly trying to do so
.... and I apologise if I felt I needed to back myself. I won't fall for
it again.
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| Oxymel of Squill 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
| you've not been in enough ngs. I find it's pretty standard stuff, if a
thread gets beyond about 6 postings chances are everything beyond that level
will be "you're a ****", "no I'm not, you are"
part of life's rich tapestry
"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of
> attack from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have
> been reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever
> reading elsewhere.
>
> Is it always like this?
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
> Will I attract the abuse now?
>
> Mike
>
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| George.com 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of
attack
> from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have been
> reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever reading
> elsewhere.
>
> Is it always like this?
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
> Will I attract the abuse now?
>
> Mike
I came several months ago Mike as an outsider and have picked up some good
ideas and encouragement. I guess you learn to pick and choose the threads
that interest you buts its worth staying on. As for other sites rec.gardens,
rec.gardens.edible, aus.gardens I also find useful.
rob
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| JennyC 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden.
Whereabouts Mike??
>am now wondering whether to stay for fear of attack from some members of
>this group. In a few days of membership I have been reading more bitching
>and hate on this NG than I can recall ever reading elsewhere.
>
> Is it always like this?
No - it comes and goes. This is a slow time of year in the garden :~)
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
Yes
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
Let me know if you find somewhere that has no flame wars ;~)
> Will I attract the abuse now?
Probably not :~)
Jenny
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| JennyC 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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"George.com" <roblyn@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ejk55l$tvr$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> "Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
> attack
>
> I came several months ago Mike as an outsider and have picked up some good
> ideas and encouragement. I guess you learn to pick and choose the threads
> that interest you buts its worth staying on. As for other sites
> rec.gardens,
> rec.gardens.edible, aus.gardens I also find useful.
> rob
But being American based groups, they do tend to go on about racoons in the
corn...........:~))
Jenny
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| La Puce 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
|
JennyC wrote:
> But being American based groups, they do tend to go on about racoons in the
> corn...........:~))
But you know I like this :o) I like when Madgardener post one of her
huuuuge post, describing everything around her from her remote garden
on the hills. It's wonderful. I had started to print her post to give
to a couple of americain friends, to make them feel less homesick. I
like when Farm1 gives her opinions from Oz - who knows where we will be
in the future? I keep in touch on a French forum too and just love
reading stuff from abroad. I think you pick up on what interest you and
it needs to be varied, especially in backgrounds, cultures and ages.
The latter is very much what has caused problems here I think.
Also it's important to not unjustifiably poke at people. We just don't
know who the other posters are, what they do etc. and poking at
people's lives is a sure way to start flames. I am probably guilty in
answering back if you try to hurt me, but that's my nature and on the
whole it is human nature. I don't like lies and I don't like people
assuming things about others. I am not a professional gardener, I am a
keen grower of anything which wants to grow, preferably edible, I work
with urban designers and landscapers and spend most of my free time on
my plot, on other's plots, in local groups building from yurts to
geodesic domes for local school to grow stuff under, care for other
people's garden and get involve with anything permaculture. I'm out
there and that's where I like to be :o)
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| bigjon 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
| On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:25:46 +0100, JennyC wrote:
>
> Probably not :~)
>
yet...
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| Anne Jackson 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
| The message from "La Puce" <helene@rudlin.co.uk> contains these words:
> Muddymike wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Please don't go. It will eventually stop when they go away. Try not to
> get involved and keep to the good posts. I'm certainly trying to do so
> .... and I apologise if I felt I needed to back myself. I won't fall for
> it again.
You will, you know! That's the way you operate...
--
AnneJ
(If you don't like it, you can Foscar Oxtrot)
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| Muddymike 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
|
"La Puce" <helene@rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1163769147.197944.237560@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> JennyC wrote:
>
> But you know I like this :o) I like when Madgardener post one of her
> huuuuge post, describing everything around her from her remote garden
I don't have a problem with that either, so long as its worth reading.
This is my first forray into a Newsgroup, but I have for many years
subscribed to a couple of email lists centred around another hobby of mine.
One is UK based but has several international members, the other is
international by name yet most members are US based. Both and particularly
the UK list wander off topic all the time which again is not a problem to me
as I enjoy reading the other interests of a group of like minded people
joined by a common interest. I enjoy sharing my knowledge with others who
may be new to the topic, and even now after 10 years membership I still
learn new things from old and new members alike.
My first reading of this NG gave me some very usefull information on pruning
yew trees, I look forward to picking up more usefull tips to help me look
after this big old garden I have taken on. I will admit to being a bit of a
petrol head and look forward to contributing to any debates on power garden
equipment. Right, must go start the Billy Goat and clear all these fallen
leaves so that they don't clog the grass pickup on the ride on or jam the
snow blower :-) (you do allow the odd smiley??)
Mike
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| La Puce 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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Muddymike wrote:
>
> I don't have a problem with that either, so long as its worth reading.
(prune)
I enjoy sharing my knowledge with others who
> may be new to the topic, and even now after 10 years membership I still
> learn new things from old and new members alike.
I don't think we stop learning and with everything, time moves on,
things change, people come and go ...
> My first reading of this NG gave me some very usefull information on pruning
> yew trees, I look forward to picking up more usefull tips to help me look
> after this big old garden I have taken on. I will admit to being a bit of a
> petrol head and look forward to contributing to any debates on power garden
> equipment. Right, must go start the Billy Goat and clear all these fallen
> leaves so that they don't clog the grass pickup on the ride on or jam the
> snow blower :-) (you do allow the odd smiley??)
I'm not a petrol head but I always enjoy the ride, any rides. If I had
one acre, I would feel that justifies getting a lil' <cough> Dynamow DS
Hydrostatic. Bet someone in this house would happilly try to race it,
after off course converting it to run on compressed gaz or biodiesel,
naturally...
A smiley a day keeps the doctor away ;o)
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| Kate Morgan 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
|
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:25:46 +0100, JennyC wrote:
>
>
>
> yet...
LOL thats always possible :-)
Dont go, stay with us, its a good n/g and you will learn heaps and I am
sure that you will be able to help others. Nearly every n/g/ goes thro
this sort of squabbling and you will get used to it and learn to ignore.
kate
p.s. it can be very amusing says she ducking and running :-)
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| Jim Jackson 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
| Muddymike <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of attack
> from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have been
> reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever reading
> elsewhere.
> Is it always like this?
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
> Will I attract the abuse now?
I've been here for a while now, and just ignore the ego and
agro stuff.
To be honest I've no idea what it is all about. As with spam, the best
filter is what lies between the ears, and applying that you can easily
ignore everything but the real gardening stuff - well not quite, I
responded here :-)
Happy gardening
Jim
Wakefield
main interests fruit
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| Broadback 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
| Jim Jackson wrote:
> Muddymike <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I've been here for a while now, and just ignore the ego and
> agro stuff.
>
> To be honest I've no idea what it is all about. As with spam, the best
> filter is what lies between the ears, and applying that you can easily
> ignore everything but the real gardening stuff - well not quite, I
> responded here :-)
>
> Happy gardening
> Jim
> Wakefield
> main interests fruit
>
>
>
Hey MuddyMike, if you love power tools, with a garden that size go and
get a shredder. I only have 1/2acre, and the shredder is my most used
and favourite tool.
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| bigjon 2006-11-17, 1:25 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:04:20 -0000, Kate Morgan wrote:
> LOL thats always possible :-)
> Dont go, stay with us, its a good n/g and you will learn heaps and I am
> sure that you will be able to help others. Nearly every n/g/ goes thro
> this sort of squabbling and you will get used to it and learn to ignore.
>
> kate
>
> p.s. it can be very amusing says she ducking and running :-)
agreed...
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| Alan Holmes 2006-11-17, 1:25 pm |
|
"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of
> attack from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have
> been reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever
> reading elsewhere.
There is some bitchuing in most of the newsgroups, it is not worse here than
in others.
> Is it always like this?
No, ask a question and you will/should get a number of sensible answers, but
as in all newsgroups there are a few who like to stir people up. Just
ignore then and add them to your killfile then you do not have to read their
comments, ever. The only problem comes when some silly asses respond, then
you do get to read the rubbish.
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
Yes!
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
No!
> Will I attract the abuse now?
Perhaps, but stand up like a man and ignore it!(:-)
Alan
>
> Mike
>
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| Alan Holmes 2006-11-17, 1:25 pm |
|
"JennyC" <Jenny.squirrel@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:4s5kk3Fu1f4hU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "George.com" <roblyn@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:ejk55l$tvr$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> But being American based groups, they do tend to go on about racoons in
> the corn...........:~))
We sometimes get that here from a few who do not understnd that this is a
british based newsgroup!
Alan
> Jenny
>
>
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| Bob Hobden 2006-11-17, 1:25 pm |
|
Mike Rogers wrote
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of
> attack from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have
> been reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever
> reading elsewhere.
>
> Is it always like this?
Lately it seems to be, but before some arrived it was fine. I suspect they
are simply trolls trying to do what all vandals do, destroy good things
because they can't do anything worthwhile themselves. Rather sad really.
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
It's still here if you ignore the crap, just that some some very
knowleagable gardeners, including professionals, have left due mainly to
Helene (Puce) and the way she has treated other long time regulars here who
had the audacity to corrcet some of the advice she gave.
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
This used to be the real deal. I hope it will return to the old URG soon but
in the meantime just ignore the rubbish like me and keep posting.
> Will I attract the abuse now?
I doubt it, however, I might. :-)
--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK
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| Robert 2006-11-17, 5:25 pm |
| In message <4s68l9Fu3675U1@mid.individual.net>, Bob Hobden
<bobh@invalid.com> writes
>
>Mike Rogers wrote
>
>Lately it seems to be, but before some arrived it was fine. I suspect they
>are simply trolls trying to do what all vandals do, destroy good things
>because they can't do anything worthwhile themselves. Rather sad really.
>
>
>It's still here if you ignore the crap, just that some some very
>knowleagable gardeners, including professionals, have left due mainly to
>Helene (Puce) and the way she has treated other long time regulars here who
>had the audacity to corrcet some of the advice she gave.
>
>
>This used to be the real deal. I hope it will return to the old URG soon but
>in the meantime just ignore the rubbish like me and keep posting.
>
>
>I doubt it, however, I might. :-)
>
Bob - I think that you may be forgetting some of the ups and downs of
urg over the years. I can remember several spats in the past which
developed into relatively prolonged stroppy exchanges - names such as
Andy M and Alan H come to mind and there was a 'Morley' (sp) who used to
get very exercised about leylandii. Whilst everyone appreciates that
there are bound to be idiots and trolls on ngs it appears that
unfortunately some people just cannot ignore them and get on with life,
which is rather sad as such infernal wranglings do tend to distract
others from the on topic threads.
--
Robert
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| La Puce 2006-11-17, 5:25 pm |
|
Robert wrote:
> Bob - I think that you may be forgetting some of the ups and downs of
> urg over the years. I can remember several spats in the past which
> developed into relatively prolonged stroppy exchanges - names such as
> Andy M and Alan H come to mind and there was a 'Morley' (sp) who used to
> get very exercised about leylandii. Whilst everyone appreciates that
> there are bound to be idiots and trolls on ngs it appears that
> unfortunately some people just cannot ignore them and get on with life,
> which is rather sad as such infernal wranglings do tend to distract
> others from the on topic threads.
Alan Holmes is peppering this urg and Morley is Sacha (she had taken
her dog's name at the beginning). Plus ca change .....
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| "JennyC" <Jenny.squirrel@chello.nl> wrote in message
> "George.com" <roblyn@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
(snip) aus.gardens I also find useful.
[color=darkred]
> But being American based groups, they do tend to go on about racoons
> in the corn...........:~))
I can guarantee that you would not have seen an Aus garden groups talk
about racoons in the corn!
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| JennyC 2006-11-18, 3:25 am |
|
"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message
news:455eaa79$0$28180$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> "JennyC" <Jenny.squirrel@chello.nl> wrote in message
>
> (snip) aus.gardens I also find useful.
>
>
> I can guarantee that you would not have seen an Aus garden groups talk
> about racoons in the corn!
Bandicoots in the Brussels?
Emus in the Eggplant?
Wombats in the Watermelons?
Kangaroos in the Kale?
Jenny "~)
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Muddymike wrote:
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of attack
> from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have been
> reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever reading
> elsewhere.
Just a few days might just be enough to notice certain posters tend to
stick with the gardening stuff.... others are more difficult to follow,
such as the ones who tends to "contribute" to the kind of rubbish
that's not even fit for the compost bin.
And then there's the Subject header. Yours (new boy, no understand?) is
an example of the kind of garbage Subject header I would ordinarily
assume comes the weirdos and reading it I see it's not really about
gardening either ... is it?
I would have ignored it entirely had it not been for the fact that I
noticed the name of the last poster!
That's how to do it. Now, about that gardening question......
>
> Is it always like this?
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
> Will I attract the abuse now?
>
> Mike
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| Martin 2006-11-18, 1:25 pm |
| On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:09:56 +0100, "JennyC" <Jenny.squirrel@chello.nl> =
wrote:
>
>"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message=20
>news:455eaa79$0$28180$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>Bandicoots in the Brussels?
>Emus in the Eggplant?
>Wombats in the Watermelons?
>Kangaroos in the Kale?
Possums in the potatoes?
--=20
Martin
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| "Martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:09:56 +0100, "JennyC"
<Jenny.squirrel@chello.nl> wrote:
>"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message
racoons[color=darkred]
talk[color=darkred]
>
>Bandicoots in the Brussels?
>Emus in the Eggplant?
>Wombats in the Watermelons?
>Kangaroos in the Kale?
Possums in the potatoes?
Parrots in the petunias.
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"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
> What gives here? I joined this group in the hope of expanding my knowledge
> of gardening having taken on a large (about an acre) once grand, now
> overgrown town garden. I am now wondering whether to stay for fear of
> attack from some members of this group. In a few days of membership I have
> been reading more bitching and hate on this NG than I can recall ever
> reading elsewhere.
>
> Is it always like this?
> Is it worth hanging around for the garden talk to start?
> Is there a real gardening NG somewhere?
> Will I attract the abuse now?
You wanna try uk.rec.,motorcycles for bitching, general abuse, pedants and
other miscreants that like to make your life shit.
Also if you did go there you would be welcomed with open arms and
flagellated by the Apostrophe Nazis and the Spelling Police to name just a
few...
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Robbo wrote:
> "Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
>
> You wanna try uk.rec.,motorcycles for bitching, general abuse, pedants and
> other miscreants that like to make your life shit.
> Also if you did go there you would be welcomed with open arms and
> flagellated by the Apostrophe Nazis and the Spelling Police to name just a
> few...
Spelling Police.... ah well, best correct a spelling mistake I made
earlier...
Callistemon (bottle brush)... as opposed to however else I may have
spelt it, though no one noticed
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| Anne Jackson 2006-11-19, 1:25 pm |
| The message from "Robbo" <notachance@there.com> contains these words:
> "Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:otKdnQnUoeTcFcDYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@brightview.com...
[color=darkred]
> You wanna try uk.rec.,motorcycles for bitching, general abuse, pedants and
> other miscreants that like to make your life shit.
> Also if you did go there you would be welcomed with open arms and
> flagellated by the Apostrophe Nazis and the Spelling Police to name just a
> few...
It hasn't changed in the past two years, then?
--
AnneJ
(If you don't like it, you can Foscar Oxtrot)
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| Alan Holmes 2006-11-19, 5:25 pm |
|
"Anne Jackson" <amygdala@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:31303030343236304560911F52@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message from "Robbo" <notachance@there.com> contains these words:
>
>
> It hasn't changed in the past two years, then?
I didn't know you were interested in motor cycles!
Alan
>
> --
> AnneJ
> (If you don't like it, you can Foscar Oxtrot)
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| Anne Jackson 2006-11-19, 5:25 pm |
| The message from "Alan Holmes" <alan.holmes@nowhere.com> contains these words:
> "Anne Jackson" <amygdala@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:31303030343236304560911F52@zetnet.co.uk...
[color=darkred]
> I didn't know you were interested in motor cycles!
Me? I'm the mad dame who bought herself a mo'bike for a 59th birthday
present! Having always wanted a bike of my very own (instead of riding
pillion on the bikes of various husbands) I thought I'd better DO IT
before they gave me my bus pass! ;-)
--
AnneJ
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| June Hughes 2006-11-20, 3:25 am |
| In message <31303030343236304560E77027@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson
<amygdala@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>The message from "Alan Holmes" <alan.holmes@nowhere.com> contains these words:
>
>
>Me? I'm the mad dame who bought herself a mo'bike for a 59th birthday
>present! Having always wanted a bike of my very own (instead of riding
>pillion on the bikes of various husbands) I thought I'd better DO IT
>before they gave me my bus pass! ;-)
>
I think you are very brave, Anne.
--
June Hughes
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| Jim Paterson 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
|
"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message
news:455f8f5a$0$28224$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> "Martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:09:56 +0100, "JennyC"
> <Jenny.squirrel@chello.nl> wrote:
> racoons
> talk
>
> Possums in the potatoes?
>
> Parrots in the petunias.
Not to mention Dame Edna in the Gladdies!
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| Anne Jackson 2006-11-20, 5:25 pm |
| The message from June Hughes <junehughes@theacct.demon.co.uk> contains
these words:
> In message <31303030343236304560E77027@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson
> <amygdala@zetnet.co.uk> writes
> I think you are very brave, Anne.
Mad, more like it...but I reckoned that this _wasn't_ a rehearsal! <G>
--
AnneJ
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| Alan Holmes 2006-11-20, 8:25 pm |
|
"Anne Jackson" <amygdala@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:31303030343236304560E77027@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message from "Alan Holmes" <alan.holmes@nowhere.com> contains these
> words:
>
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> Me? I'm the mad dame who bought herself a mo'bike for a 59th birthday
> present! Having always wanted a bike of my very own (instead of riding
> pillion on the bikes of various husbands) I thought I'd better DO IT
> before they gave me my bus pass! ;-)
I used to own a 350 Royal Enfield.
Alan
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> AnneJ
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| "Jim Paterson" <padger@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message
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> Not to mention Dame Edna in the Gladdies!
Given Dame Edna's XXXXX mouth, that would be a nasty sight indeed!
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