UK gardening - Rambling rose suggestions

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Rambling rose suggestions

MikeCT

2006-11-25, 9:25 am

I have a large, very old ceanothus clinging on to life in my n/w facing
front garden. Rather than cut it down, I had thought of growing a white
flowered rambling rose up and through it. The shade tolerant 'Rambling
Rector' comes to mind, but perhaps that one would prove to be too vigorous
and rampant for the purpose. Any rambler suggestions would be welcome. TIA.

MikeCT

Sacha

2006-11-25, 9:25 am

On 25/11/06 11:57, in article 8dW9h.19170$371.4343@newsfe5-win.ntli.net,
"MikeCT" <mikect@virginsnow.net> wrote:

> I have a large, very old ceanothus clinging on to life in my n/w facing
> front garden. Rather than cut it down, I had thought of growing a white
> flowered rambling rose up and through it. The shade tolerant 'Rambling
> Rector' comes to mind, but perhaps that one would prove to be too vigorous
> and rampant for the purpose. Any rambler suggestions would be welcome. TIA.

How about Iceberg? It's moderately fragrant and is a climber rather than a
rambler, so shouldn't be too vigorous.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

MikeCT

2006-11-25, 1:25 pm

"Sacha" replied:
> How about Iceberg? It's moderately fragrant and is a climber rather than a
> rambler, so shouldn't be too vigorous.
---
Thanks Sacha, yes I had considered Iceberg, but although I intend to
position two or three supporting fencing poles within my ceanothus bush, I
thought Iceberg might not be sufficiently self supporting when the ceanothus
has died. The idea is to use the rose as a screen to my house front,
eventually training it from the ceanothus along ropes and poles.

Mike

Sacha

2006-11-25, 1:25 pm

On 25/11/06 16:24, in article _6_9h.61183$r4.1190@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net,
"MikeCT" <mikect@virginsnow.net> wrote:

>
> "Sacha" replied:
> ---
> Thanks Sacha, yes I had considered Iceberg, but although I intend to
> position two or three supporting fencing poles within my ceanothus bush, I
> thought Iceberg might not be sufficiently self supporting when the ceanothus
> has died. The idea is to use the rose as a screen to my house front,
> eventually training it from the ceanothus along ropes and poles.
>
Tricky one because I think you're right that, while Ceanothus can be a thug,
a rambler grown through it could be a bigger one. Would you consider a
Clematis, perhaps or would it not suit the purpose? IME, Rambling Rector is
extremely bossy but I don't know if e.g. Wedding Day is as bad. It might be
worth looking into that one although it opens to cream rather than white.
But it's a lovely plant. Have a look at Cl. Cecile Bruner, too, though
again it's not white but is gorgeous.
BTW, when you talk about the Ceanothus dying, do you mean the flowers, or
the whole thing? Because if it's the whole thing, whatever you plant will
need some help to bridge the gap and it's worth bearing in mind that many
ramblers only flower once a year and that's it.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Rod

2006-11-25, 1:25 pm

"MikeCT" <mikect@virginsnow.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sacha" replied:
> ---
> Thanks Sacha, yes I had considered Iceberg, but although I intend to
> position two or three supporting fencing poles within my ceanothus
> bush, I thought Iceberg might not be sufficiently self supporting
> when the ceanothus has died. The idea is to use the rose as a screen
> to my house front, eventually training it from the ceanothus along
> ropes and poles.
>
OK - So how about Sanders White? Not as rampant as Rambling Rector,
but it could still be a bit of a handful if planted in the wrong
place.
--
Rod

My real address is rodthegardeneratmyisp

Charlie Pridham

2006-11-26, 3:25 am

"Rod" <rodneverread@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "MikeCT" <mikect@virginsnow.net> wrote in message
> news:_6_9h.61183$r4.1190@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> OK - So how about Sanders White? Not as rampant as Rambling Rector,
> but it could still be a bit of a handful if planted in the wrong
> place.
> --
> Rod
>
Indeed!
I have struggled to think of a well behaved white rambler. Take a look at
Francis E Lester, not pure white but far and away the smallest rambler we
grow. If you want repeat flowering it will have to be one of the whichuriana
types like Alberic Barbier and they can still get pretty large.
What about some of the shrubs? something like Stanwell Perpetual would be
big enough grown through a shrub (about 5-6')
--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and
Lapageria rosea

Mike Lyle

2006-11-27, 9:25 am

Charlie Pridham wrote:
> "Rod" <rodneverread@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eka0i1$40o$1@news.datemas.de...
> Indeed!
> I have struggled to think of a well behaved white rambler. Take a look at
> Francis E Lester, not pure white but far and away the smallest rambler we
> grow. If you want repeat flowering it will have to be one of the whichuriana
> types like Alberic Barbier and they can still get pretty large.
> What about some of the shrubs? something like Stanwell Perpetual would be
> big enough grown through a shrub (about 5-6')

I don't know about others' experience, but mine is that ceanothus don't
like foliage competition: shaded branches died off for me. There may
have been other factors at work, of course; but from that single
example I'd be wary of growing anything substantial through one.

I love ceanothus in flower, but they're very much one-trick ponies with
no interest for most of the year; so perhaps it wouldn't be too much of
a loss if the screening effect is your priority.

--
Mike.

arlev@REMOVEclara.net

2006-11-27, 1:25 pm

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:03:58 -0000, "Charlie Pridham" <charlie.pridham@lineone.net> wrote:

>Indeed!
>I have struggled to think of a well behaved white rambler. Take a look at
>Francis E Lester, not pure white but far and away the smallest rambler we
>grow. If you want repeat flowering it will have to be one of the whichuriana
>types like Alberic Barbier and they can still get pretty large.
>What about some of the shrubs? something like Stanwell Perpetual would be
>big enough grown through a shrub (about 5-6')

I have that one. It rambles through everything but I guess it could be kept in check. We
just let ours go. It must be 30ft or so but it gets covered in flowers which turn to hips.
There are hundreds and hundreds. Gorgeous!

Kath

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