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| Wavie 2006-03-22, 10:21 am |
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Hi everyone… my first time posting here. Although I have been a lurker
here in past and already read many of your helpful posts I need even
more help… if anyone is willing.
I have always found that the web community helps people (for nothing in
return most the time). Basically my team and me are doing a project on
plants and how they combat pollution.
The brief is to create a service that can help the environment… we
therefore decided to focus on plants.
We have made a website and forums, however the forums are completely
empty at the moment and have only 2 members (from the group). I was
wondering if anyone could possibly help us by registering and making
some nice posts about plants, how to plant, easy to grow plants, plants
that generate their own seeds, some information on how they combat
pollution or even some general information you feel would be nice for
our project.
Our website is an information gateway that provides a service for
combating pollution and plants. It has newsletters, starter pack, top
10 plants for combating pollution and top 10 easy to grow trees,
Plantation tips and more.
We would appreciate your knowledge on the subject and I personally
would be grateful to anyone who takes the effort to post replies or
images on our forums.
I realize that it’s a lot to ask to someone who does not know anything
about myself or my team however if you do post it will be likely to be
shown in our team presentation =) - This is for a university project.
Whether you post on our forums or not I do thank you for reading our
post.
Take Care.
Team Gluttony.
http://tinyurl.com/em4o4
P.S. If you do reply on our forum I will let you know how project goes
--
Wavie
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| Mike Lyle 2006-03-22, 11:21 am |
| Wavie wrote:
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> Team Gluttony.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/em4o4
>
> P.S. If you do reply on our forum I will let you know how project goes
>
Good luck with the project. You should, of course, discuss with the
botany etc people at the uni. One thing, though: some people (e.g. me)
are wary of Tiny URLs -- could you post the whole URL, please?
--
Mike.
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| Janet Baraclough 2006-03-22, 2:21 pm |
| The message <Wavie.252qw0@gardenbanter.co.uk>
from Wavie <Wavie.252qw0@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
This is for a university project.
Which department of which university? It's normal practice for
genuine university researchers and student projects to mention that, and
to provide a valid university email address.
BTW, don't waste your time researching which plants generate their own
seed. The real money is in the other kind.
Janet.
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-23, 6:21 am |
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"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303930323944218AC181@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <Wavie.252qw0@gardenbanter.co.uk>
> from Wavie <Wavie.252qw0@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> This is for a university project.
>
> Which department of which university? It's normal practice for
> genuine university researchers and student projects to mention that, and
> to provide a valid university email address.
undergraduate students do not know these unwritten rules and often just do
what they just did which is post to newsgroups.
It looked entirely innocent to me. It was just a student project by the
looks of it or am I missing something more sinister?
>
> BTW, don't waste your time researching which plants generate their own
> seed. The real money is in the other kind.
>
> Janet.
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| michael adams 2006-03-23, 7:21 am |
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"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:313030303930323944218AC181@zetnet.co.uk...
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> undergraduate students do not know these unwritten rules and often just do
> what they just did which is post to newsgroups.
> It looked entirely innocent to me. It was just a student project by the
> looks of it or am I missing something more sinister?
Des, the OP left a link to a website, plastered with advertisements;
consisting of a chat forum to be used as a portal to Usenet, i.e they
will most likely appropriate and use UseNet posts without any
acknowledgement; with more solicitations to advertise on the site;
and with no references at all on the site to any university whatsoever.
Furthermore the chat board requires members to register via email.
This is a classic method of harvesting addresses for targetted spam.
People who post on gardening\green chatboards will be prime targets
for gardening green\conscience tugging inspired spam.
It's all greeny, feel-good, conscience tugging nonsense IOW.
Purely commercial from top to bottom, or at least intended to
be so IMO.
michael adams
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>
>
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-23, 7:21 am |
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"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:48fbsqFjngm4U1@individual.net...
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> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44226fe9$0$31333$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
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>
> Des, the OP left a link to a website, plastered with advertisements;
> consisting of a chat forum to be used as a portal to Usenet, i.e they
> will most likely appropriate and use UseNet posts without any
> acknowledgement; with more solicitations to advertise on the site;
> and with no references at all on the site to any university whatsoever.
>
> Furthermore the chat board requires members to register via email.
> This is a classic method of harvesting addresses for targetted spam.
> People who post on gardening\green chatboards will be prime targets
> for gardening green\conscience tugging inspired spam.
>
> It's all greeny, feel-good, conscience tugging nonsense IOW.
>
fair enough
> Purely commercial from top to bottom, or at least intended to
> be so IMO.
>
>
> michael adams
>
> ...
>
>
>
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| Rupert 2006-03-23, 7:21 am |
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"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:48fbsqFjngm4U1@individual.net...
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> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44226fe9$0$31333$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
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>
> Des, the OP left a link to a website, plastered with advertisements;
> consisting of a chat forum to be used as a portal to Usenet, i.e they
> will most likely appropriate and use UseNet posts without any
> acknowledgement; with more solicitations to advertise on the site;
> and with no references at all on the site to any university whatsoever.
>
> Furthermore the chat board requires members to register via email.
> This is a classic method of harvesting addresses for targetted spam.
> People who post on gardening\green chatboards will be prime targets
> for gardening green\conscience tugging inspired spam.
>
> It's all greeny, feel-good, conscience tugging nonsense IOW.
>
> Purely commercial from top to bottom, or at least intended to
> be so IMO.
>
>
> michael adams
You *can* post as a guest. Someone has already asked for more info about
"the project"
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| michael adams 2006-03-23, 7:21 am |
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"Rupert" <reply@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
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> "michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:48fbsqFjngm4U1@individual.net...
the[color=darkred]
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> You *can* post as a guest. Someone has already asked for more info about
> "the project"
Not you by any chance :-)
michael adams
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| La Puce 2006-03-23, 7:21 am |
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Rupert wrote:
> You *can* post as a guest. Someone has already asked for more info about
> "the project"
You did! ;o)
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| Rupert 2006-03-23, 8:21 am |
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"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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> "Rupert" <reply@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
> news:44227ada@212.67.96.135...
> the
> Not you by any chance :-)
> michael adams
It's a fair cop Guv. I was referring to a post by the chap from Kitchen
Gardens in the suggestions forum.
Interesting to see what reply (if any) he gets.
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| Rupert 2006-03-23, 8:21 am |
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"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303930323944218AC181@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <Wavie.252qw0@gardenbanter.co.uk>
> from Wavie <Wavie.252qw0@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> This is for a university project.
>
> Which department of which university? It's normal practice for
> genuine university researchers and student projects to mention that, and
> to provide a valid university email address.
>
> Janet.
I think normal practice and courtesy may have got lost -somewhere about the
same time any back street room, with a book, was renamed university :-)
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-23, 8:21 am |
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"Rupert" <reply@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
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> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:313030303930323944218AC181@zetnet.co.uk...
>
> I think normal practice and courtesy may have got lost -somewhere about
> the same time any back street room, with a book, was renamed University
> :-)
It actually happened within 10 seconds of the Internet becoming widely
available.
University students have always been a mixed bag regarding how copped on
they were. In the old days they were inexperienced with pen and paper.
Now they have all of usenet to ask naieve questions on. I was very green
when I was an undergraduate. I shudder to think of what I asked and who I
asked.
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| Rupert 2006-03-23, 8:21 am |
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"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44228605$0$31337$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
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> "Rupert" <reply@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
> news:4422844a$1@212.67.96.135...
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> It actually happened within 10 seconds of the Internet becoming widely
> available.
> university students have always been a mixed bag regarding how copped on
> they were. In the old days they were inexperienced with pen and paper.
> Now they have all of usenet to ask naieve questions on. I was very green
> when I was an undergraduate. I shudder to think of what I asked and who I
> asked.
>
>
That's a much more sophisticated reply than my crabby post.
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-23, 8:21 am |
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"Rupert" <reply@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
news:442289fd@212.67.96.135...
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> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44228605$0$31337$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
> That's a much more sophisticated reply than my crabby post.
Anyway is it a scam or just sloppy undergraduates?
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| michael adams 2006-03-23, 10:21 am |
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"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Anyway is it a scam or just sloppy undergraduates?
If would have been genuine presumably, in the highly unlikely
event that they were posting from an an academic address -
instead of hiding the real address -
http://s12.invisionfree.com/Project_Breathe
behind a tinyurl.
The point being that you only normally use tinyurls for addresses
that are too long to wrap in a normal window.
Troll over.
michael adams
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| Chris Bacon 2006-03-23, 11:21 am |
| michael adams wrote:
> "Des Higgins" wrote...
>
> If would have been genuine presumably, in the highly unlikely
> event that they were posting from an an academic address -
> instead of hiding the real address -
>
> http://s12.invisionfree.com/Project_Breathe
>
> behind a tinyurl.
FWIW the originating IP address in the headers is
imd1imac1.idl.dundee.ac.uk. Wavie.252gw0 has only
posted once on "gardenbanter".
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| michael adams 2006-03-23, 11:21 am |
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"Chris Bacon" <chrispbacon@thai.com> wrote in message
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> michael adams wrote:
>
> FWIW the originating IP address in the headers is
> imd1imac1.idl.dundee.ac.uk. Wavie.252gw0 has only
> posted once on "gardenbanter".
So presumably either they don't "do books" any more, at the
University of Dundee -
"I was wondering if anyone could possibly help us by registering and making
some nice posts about plants, how to plant, easy to grow plants, plants
that generate their own seeds, some information on how they combat
pollution or even some general information you feel would be nice for
our project."
I repeat - "some nice posts about plants ....how to grow....information
you feel would be nice for our project". Come on, perleeeeeeeeeeeeeese!
Or they're hoping to supplement their grant by harvesting email
addresses off the free chat forum being hosted on their behalf
by infovision, who plaster the site with ads by way of
compensation.
http://s12.invisionfree.com
Or maybe it's a Troll.
In line with much of the other unwanted attention the NewsGroup
has been getting of late. Gardeners either on Usenet, or on the Web,
being presumably looked on as an easily gullible target.
"some nice posts about plants" etc.
michael adams
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| Chris Bacon 2006-03-23, 12:21 pm |
| michael adams wrote:
> "Chris Bacon" wrote
>
> I repeat - "some nice posts about plants ....how to grow....information
> you feel would be nice for our project". Come on, perleeeeeeeeeeeeeese!
I'm not quarrelling with you, IMO the OP is an utter berk
for purveying the tinned pink stuff, and I hope they become
exceedingly constipated. HTH.
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| Janet Baraclough 2006-03-23, 1:21 pm |
| The message <44226fe9$0$31333$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie>
from "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> contains these words:
> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:313030303930323944218AC181@zetnet.co.uk...
[color=darkred]
> undergraduate students do not know these unwritten rules and often just do
> what they just did which is post to newsgroups.
All the more reason to educate them. However, I think it far more
likely that these are university students trying to earn beer money by
running a commercial website at sub-zero effort by themselves/harvest
gardeners' email addresses for sale. .
Janet
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| michael adams 2006-03-23, 2:21 pm |
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"Chris Bacon" <chrispbacon@thai.com> wrote in message
news:4422c731$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> michael adams wrote:
>
> I'm not quarrelling with you,
I know you're not. That was for the benefit of any remaining
sceptics. We had a genuine student on here a while back asking
about designing a new product. What was wanted. Information
that simply isn't readily available in books, and so an ideal
topic to be asking about on a NewsGroup Unlike this present nonsense.
I couldn't get anything out of Sam Spade on that address myself.
> IMO the OP is an utter berk
> for purveying the tinned pink stuff, and I hope they become
> exceedingly constipated. HTH.
To me the post was most reminiscent of the sort of cluelessness you
get out of semi-literate Merkan High School Stoooodents, wanting
information for "their projects". Of which some parts of Usenet
abound, at certain times of year. Almost a parody in fact. It's
almost as if it was part of a role playing exercise. If it really
is Dundee Uni, you'd almost hope it was.
atb
michael adams
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heh are you lot being paranoid :D
Dont worry you dont need to go to forum now project is over... however
since project has started I have bought my own plants... now i got some
questions on other posts :D
ill try to get you link to proper website instead of forum if people
are interested.
Invisonfree is just free forums that we used for online community to
give their advice and views on our project. - You can check that on
google... type free forums or invisonfree - should give u some info to
get rid of the worry.
Yep im from Dundee University
--
Wavie
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oh and the imd in address stands for Interactive Media Design.
Wavie Wrote:
> heh are you lot being paranoid :D
>
> Dont worry you dont need to go to forum now project is over... however
> since project has started I have bought my own plants... now i got some
> questions on other posts :D
>
> ill try to get you link to proper website instead of forum if people
> are interested.
>
> Invisonfree is just free forums that we used for online community to
> give their advice and views on our project. - You can check that on
> google... type free forums or invisonfree - should give u some info to
> get rid of the worry.
>
> Yep im from Dundee University
--
Wavie
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Wavie Wrote:
> oh and the imd in address stands for Interactive Media Design.
oh to clear up, we have most the information we just wanted a working
community of the forums to show their support. Even the amount of
support on forums we got was nice and I thankyou for replying.
We used net, read books, visited garden centers, e-mailed garden
companies then finally when we had forums up asked peoples advice.
University aint no joke, its a lot of work and the project was fun. If
i was sloppy in my first post then I appolagise.
We have top 5 plants and trees on website, planting tips, pollution
info, starter pack information and more.
We were a team of 7 and did everything required for project. Just
wanted to see the what the community thought on the forums. Of course
each website says something slightly different from another - forums
are somewhat more personal.
Anyway presentation went well.
Thanks for help.
Have a good weekend.
David.
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Wavie
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| Janet Baraclough 2006-03-26, 9:21 am |
| The message <Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk>
from Wavie <Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
> Yep im from Dundee University
A course run by
Faculty Office
Faculty of Duncan of Jordanstone college of Art and Design
University of Dundee
13 Perth Road
Dundee
DD1 4HT
Scotland, UK
Telephone: +44 (0)1382 345213
Fax: +44 (0)1382 227304
[color=darkred]
>We were a team of 7
>David.
Thanks for enough information to enable the Head of Media Studies at
Dundee university to identify the student whose drunken rudeness on this
group brings its academic standards into disrepute.
Janet
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| michael adams 2006-03-26, 10:21 am |
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"Wavie" <Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk...
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> heh are you lot being paranoid :D
>
> Dont worry you dont need to go to forum now project is over... however
> since project has started I have bought my own plants... now i got some
> questions on other posts :D
Don't lie through your teeth.*
Your project consisted of producing a convincing parody of the typical
request for information, as posted by a 16 year old American High School
student, too lazy to do their own research.
Usenet abounds with such morons as exam time approaches each year.
The number of contributions you garnered to your chatboard would
have constituted a measure of your success.
You failed. Live with it.
Phoneys on Usenet such as you tried to be, are very easy to spot
from a mile off.
Either that, or you're totally unaware of this phenomenon, in
which case, you should perhaps try and get out a bit more.
Either way, you lose.
michael adams
* to tell untruths, either knowingly, or even unknowingly. Honest
mistakes can constutite "lies" in UseNet teminology.
> --
> Wavie
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| Wavie 2006-03-26, 10:21 pm |
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michael adams Wrote:
> "Wavie" Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote in message
> news:Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk...
>
> heh are you lot being paranoid :D
>
> Dont worry you dont need to go to forum now project is over...
> however
> since project has started I have bought my own plants... now i got
> some
> questions on other posts :D
>
>
> Don't lie through your teeth.*
>
> Your project consisted of producing a convincing parody of the typical
> request for information, as posted by a 16 year old American High
> School
> student, too lazy to do their own research.
>
> Usenet abounds with such morons as exam time approaches each year.
>
> The number of contributions you garnered to your chatboard would
> have constituted a measure of your success.
>
> You failed. Live with it.
>
> Phoneys on Usenet such as you tried to be, are very easy to spot
> from a mile off.
>
> Either that, or you're totally unaware of this phenomenon, in
> which case, you should perhaps try and get out a bit more.
>
> Either way, you lose.
>
>
>
> michael adams
>
>
> * to tell untruths, either knowingly, or even unknowingly. Honest
> mistakes can constutite "lies" in UseNet teminology.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Wavie
your a weirdo
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Wavie
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| michael adams 2006-03-27, 6:21 am |
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"Wavie" <Wavie.25b2w4@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
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> your a weirdo
....
And you're a failed Meadow Soprano impersonator, AICMFP
michael adams
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>
>
> --
> Wavie
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-27, 6:21 am |
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"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303930323944269A3C05@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk>
> from Wavie <Wavie.259ow2@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>
>
> A course run by
>
> Faculty Office
> Faculty of Duncan of Jordanstone college of Art and Design
> university of Dundee
> 13 Perth Road
> Dundee
> DD1 4HT
> Scotland, UK
>
> Telephone: +44 (0)1382 345213
> Fax: +44 (0)1382 227304
>
>
>
> Thanks for enough information to enable the Head of Media Studies at
> Dundee university to identify the student whose drunken rudeness on this
> group brings its academic standards into disrepute.
By the usual standards of rudeness on this NG, wavie was pretty harmless.
In fact we could probably teach him a thing or two about how to be more
rude.
He was inexperienced but we have maybe overreacted.
>
>
> Janet
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| La Puce 2006-03-27, 7:21 am |
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Des Higgins wrote:
> By the usual standards of rudeness on this NG, wavie was pretty harmless.
> In fact we could probably teach him a thing or two about how to be more
> rude.
> He was inexperienced but we have maybe overreacted.
*We*? I don't think so. But I'm glad you are as disgusted as I am.
I'm also sorry you feel the need to include yourself with the pathetic
bullies in here. I'm quite surprised as well that you feel this way
towards a stranger when I've had it quite hard in here but I can't
recall your support nor to the many others regulars who have been put
down or criticised.
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-27, 1:21 pm |
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"La Puce" <helene@rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Des Higgins wrote:
>
> *We*? I don't think so. But I'm glad you are as disgusted as I am.
I am not disgusted,
this is just a newsgroup;
> I'm also sorry you feel the need to include yourself with the pathetic
> bullies in here. I'm quite surprised as well that you feel this way
> towards a stranger when I've had it quite hard in here but I can't
> recall your support nor to the many others regulars who have been put
> down or criticised.
>
You have obviously had some kind of run in with ther posters here. I have
absolutely no idea who started it; who is right; who is wrong;
I do not want to know. All I see is a wall of weird posts by all kinds of
people looking for fights.
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| neil2211 2006-03-27, 4:21 pm |
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michael adams Wrote:
> "Wavie" Wavie.25b2w4@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote in message
> news:Wavie.25b2w4@gardenbanter.co.uk...
>
>
> your a weirdo
>
> ....
>
> And you're a failed Meadow Soprano impersonator, AICMFP
>
>
>
> michael adams
>
> ....
>
>
>
> --
> Wavie
Dear Mr Adams
It was lovely to read the posts you made in this forum. It serves as an
example of just how constructively critical and supportive a forum
poster can be.
I especially liked the post on the 23rd of March in which you mocked
and ridiculed the original post by my fellow student Dave (aka Wavie),
even going so far as to question the literacy of all Dundee University
Students.
The post on the 23rd of March was indeed an interesting one. In this
post you stated:
"We had a genuine student on here a while back asking about designing a
new product. What was wanted. Information that simply isn't readily
available in books, and so an ideal topic to be asking about on a
NewsGroup Unlike this present nonsense."
Unfortunately as stated earlier by yourself, an apparent authority on
the subject, Dundee university doesn't do books! Nevertheless, I took
it upon myself to visit what appeared to be a library, on the
University Campus to investigate. The first thing I noticed is that all
the shelves where full which was a surprise, so I looked for the book
you mentioned, presumably entitled:
"The Internet communities knowledge of plants and pollution"
Needless to say, I couldn't find it. I then looked for the book:
"General information the internet community finds relevant to our
project"
Again this was a complete loss. Maybe with your infinite wisdom you
could tell me where exactly I could get a hold of such books (I have
tried amazon.com, but again no luck).
On the 26th of March (yesterday as I write this post), I discovered the
most audacious post I have ever read:
“Don't lie through your teeth.*
Your project consisted of producing a convincing parody of the typical
request for information, as posted by a 16 year old American High
School student, too lazy to do their own research.
Usenet abounds with such morons as exam time approaches each year.
The number of contributions you garnered to your chatboard would have
constituted a measure of your success.
You failed. Live with it.
Phoneys on Usenet such as you tried to be, are very easy to spot from a
mile off.
Either that, or you're totally unaware of this phenomenon, in which
case, you should perhaps try and get out a bit more.
Either way, you lose."
On what grounds do you qualify to describe someone you have never met
as a liar? Especially when your grasp on the facts is far from firm.
Our project consisted of, among other topics, 10 weeks of research,
brainstorming, structured creativity, stakeholder analysis and concept
development. Our research led us to many sources namely; garden
centres, botanic gardens, biology/botany experts and believe it or not,
books!
The number of contributions made to our ‘chatboard’ is almost certainly
attributed to the slanderous and unfounded remarks you have poisoned
this forum with.
Just before I go I'd like to give you back some of your own advice. If
you get a kick out of lurking in Gardening Forums putting down students
for asking for some information then maybe:
"you should perhaps try and get out a bit more."
Good Day to you Mr Adams, you Ignorant Condescending Fool.
PS. Please don't waste my time replying with statements such as:
"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"
Anyone reading your previous posts would clearly see evidence that your
view is quite the opposite!
--
neil2211
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| Janet Baraclough 2006-03-27, 5:21 pm |
| The message <neil2211.25cgw2@gardenbanter.co.uk>
from neil2211 <neil2211.25cgw2@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
is this another of your academic colleagues, Neil? You appear to be
sharing a posting account at gardenbanter.
from rec.gardens:
The message <squdsi1.25cgvy@gardenbanter.co.uk>
from squdsi1 <squdsi1.25cgvy@gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:06:02 -0600
> From: squdsi1 <squdsi1.25cgvy@gardenbanter.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: rec.gardens
> Subject: How To Create a Garden Schedule
> Greetings! My name is ShaD QuDsi and I am college student who is also
> very interested in gardening. I am currently doing a marketing project
> for school and have decided to do some research on the world of home
> gardening. I am specifically curious about how gardeners create a
> garden plan and what tools they use to maintain their garden schedules.
> Please take a minute to complete this 10 question survey about home
> garden management and the methods you use for maintaining a garden
> schedule. Just click the following link and you will be directed to the
> survey. It is very short and your participation is incredibly helpful.
> Thanks a lot. Garden On!
> http://tinyurl.com/mvwno
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| La Puce 2006-03-28, 6:21 am |
|
Des Higgins wrote:
> I am not disgusted,
> this is just a newsgroup;
It is not 'just' a ng. If someone calls you a liar, a troll, threatens
you, doubts you, abuses you and refers to you as 'drunken' and
'idiotic' I think the person on the receiving end of this wouldn't feel
too good. And that is simply not nice.
> You have obviously had some kind of run in with ther posters here. I have
> absolutely no idea who started it; who is right; who is wrong;
> I do not want to know. All I see is a wall of weird posts by all kinds of
> people looking for fights.
Indeed, there's some strange people in the world. And again I'm glad to
see that you have realised the heavy handed attitude of some posters
and choose to mention it but at the same time keep away too :o)
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| michael adams 2006-03-28, 6:21 am |
|
"La Puce" <helene@rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143538850.184253.106740@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> It is not 'just' a ng. If someone calls you a liar, a troll,
> threatens you, doubts you, abuses you and refers to you as
> 'drunken' and 'idiotic' I think the person on the receiving
> end of this wouldn't feel too good.
That would greatly depend on whether it happened to be true or
not.
hint:most people shouldn't feel too good about demonstrating the
language skills of an eight year, old while claiming to be University
Students.
Or to quote a well-known phrase -
Shome Mishtake Shurely ?
michael adams
....
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-28, 6:21 am |
|
"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:48sf5cFlmkklU1@individual.net...
>
> "La Puce" <helene@rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1143538850.184253.106740@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> That would greatly depend on whether it happened to be true or
> not.
>
> hint:most people shouldn't feel too good about demonstrating the
> language skills of an eight year, old while claiming to be University
> Students.
The standards of language skills on usenet are not exactly very high and
this is not a grammar newsgroup.
The poster asked some naieve questions.
The world will survive and so will URG.
I am grateful if I can find students that can remember to put main verbs in
most sentences.
>
> Or to quote a well-known phrase -
>
> Shome Mishtake Shurely ?
>
>
> michael adams
>
> ...
>
>
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| michael adams 2006-03-28, 7:21 am |
|
"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:48sf5cFlmkklU1@individual.net...
>
> The standards of language skills on usenet are not exactly very high
Fair enough. For "language skills" let's substitute "conceptual apparatus"
then.
I often tailor my suits according to the cloth, on UseNet as well.
I quote -
"if anyone could possibly help us by registering and making some nice
posts about plants,"
" even some general information you feel would be nice for our
project.
So at what stage in their conceptual development would you normally
expect children and young adults to abandon concepts such as
"niceness", then ?
The point being that a generalised concept of "niceness" pre-supposes
a set of shared values, which most adolescents spend all their time
questioning, and very often abandoning.
Unless of course they were extracting the urine.
Just don't go replying to any emails from Nigerians or Russians,
that's all
You know it makes sense.
michael adams
...
>
>
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| La Puce 2006-03-28, 7:21 am |
|
michael adams wrote:
> That would greatly depend on whether it happened to be true or
> not.
> hint:most people shouldn't feel too good about demonstrating the
> language skills of an eight year, old while claiming to be University
> Students.
> Or to quote a well-known phrase -
> Shome Mishtake Shurely ?
:o)
When I ran into problems a friend send me this story:-
A tale is told about the Buddha, Gautama (563-483BC), the Indian prince
and spiritual leader whose teachings founded Buddhism. This short story
illustrates that every one of us has the choice whether or not to take
personal offence from another person's behaviour.
It is said that on an occasion when the Buddha was teaching a group of
people, he found himself on the receiving end of a fierce outburst of
abuse from a bystander, who was for some reason very angry.
The Buddha listened patiently while the stranger vented his rage, and
then the Buddha said to the group and to the stranger, "If someone
gives a gift to another person, who then chooses to decline it, tell
me, who would then own the gift? The giver or the person who refuses to
accept the gift?"
"The giver," said the group after a little thought. "Any fool can see
that," added the angry stranger.
"Then it follows, does it not," said the Buddha, "Whenever a person
tries to abuse us, or to unload their anger on us, we can each choose
to decline or to accept the abuse; whether to make it ours or not. By
our personal response to the abuse from another, we can choose who owns
and keeps the bad feelings."
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| Rupert 2006-03-28, 7:21 am |
|
"La Puce" <helene@rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143542373.673195.48580@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
<snip>
> When I ran into problems a friend send me this story:-
>
> A tale is told about the Buddha, Gautama (563-483BC), the Indian prince
> and spiritual leader whose teachings founded Buddhism. This short story
> illustrates that every one of us has the choice whether or not to take
> personal offence from another person's behaviour.
>
> It is said that on an occasion when the Buddha was teaching a group of
> people, he found himself on the receiving end of a fierce outburst of
> abuse from a bystander, who was for some reason very angry.
>
> The Buddha listened patiently while the stranger vented his rage, and
> then the Buddha said to the group and to the stranger, "If someone
> gives a gift to another person, who then chooses to decline it, tell
> me, who would then own the gift? The giver or the person who refuses to
> accept the gift?"
>
> "The giver," said the group after a little thought. "Any fool can see
> that," added the angry stranger.
>
> "Then it follows, does it not," said the Buddha, "Whenever a person
> tries to abuse us, or to unload their anger on us, we can each choose
> to decline or to accept the abuse; whether to make it ours or not. By
> our personal response to the abuse from another, we can choose who owns
> and keeps the bad feelings."
>
It's a shame you chose to ignore Buddha's advice.
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-28, 7:21 am |
|
"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:48sh65Flcl14U1@individual.net...
>
> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44290936$0$31331$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
>
> Fair enough. For "language skills" let's substitute "conceptual apparatus"
> then.
>
> I often tailor my suits according to the cloth, on UseNet as well.
>
> I quote -
>
> "if anyone could possibly help us by registering and making some nice
> posts about plants,"
>
> " even some general information you feel would be nice for our
> project.
>
> So at what stage in their conceptual development would you normally
> expect children and young adults to abandon concepts such as
> "niceness", then ?
>
> The point being that a generalised concept of "niceness" pre-supposes
> a set of shared values, which most adolescents spend all their time
> questioning, and very often abandoning.
You know; given a choice between their supposed rudeness (as perceived by
you) and your reaction to them, I think they behaved better.
That is a purely personal viewpoint but there you have it.
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| michael adams 2006-03-28, 8:21 am |
|
"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:48sh65Flcl14U1@individual.net...
apparatus"[color=darkred]
>
> You know; given a choice between their supposed rudeness (as perceived by
> you) and your reaction to them, I think they behaved better.
> That is a purely personal viewpoint but there you have it.
....
Who said anything about "rudeness" ?
I find it totally incongruous that university students should
use terms such as "nice" if they're being completely genuine
that's all.
I notice that you've totally failed to address that particular point.
The only people who make regular use of the concept of "niceness"
are small children, and more "refined" adults. Not that
there's anything wrong with that, at all.
It's simply that it isn't what would be expected from 18 year
olds, if that is, they were being totally genuine.
As it is, they didn't see fit to tailor their grammar and syntax
to their intended audience - fuddy duddy middle-aged gardeners,
while they seemed to think "nice" would be an appropriate epithet
in the circumstances. Having overdosed on "Keeping Up Appearences"
by way of preparation no doubt.
They're media students Des, presumably studying effective
communication.
They failed.
Troll over.
michael adams
>
>
>
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-28, 8:21 am |
|
"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44291a44$0$31329$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
> apparatus"
>
> ...
>
> Who said anything about "rudeness" ?
>
> I find it totally incongruous that university students should
> use terms such as "nice" if they're being completely genuine
> that's all.
>
This is now surreal.
Your whole objection to them is their use of the word "nice"??
You think they should have thought more carefully about what word to use but
by using the word "nice" they
have completely mislead thousands of unsuspecting gardners?
I have read that dreadful offensive offending sentence 10 times and I really
think you are over-reacting (that is me being polite).
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| Janet Baraclough 2006-03-28, 9:21 am |
| The message <4429233c$0$31328$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie>
from "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> contains these words:
> This is now surreal.
> Your whole objection to them is their use of the word "nice"??
It seems Wavie is not alone in the poor communication skills rightly
derided by Michael.
Any undergrad research project conducted via a specially constructed
website would last a little longer than 3 days between launch (with zero
content, according to Wavie) and its closure following his successful
class presentation. (according to Wavie).
But perhaps you missed that critical factor too, .along with the two
other infantile " research requests" launched from the same source in
the same week.
Incidentally, it was Wavie himself who described himself as too drunk to
post coherently.
Janet
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| michael adams 2006-03-28, 11:21 am |
|
"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:48sl3rFlv4raU1@individual.net...
by[color=darkred]
>
> This is now surreal.
> Your whole objection to them is their use of the word "nice"??
> You think they should have thought more carefully about what word to use
but
> by using the word "nice" they
> have completely mislead thousands of unsuspecting gardners?
> I have read that dreadful offensive offending sentence 10 times and I
really
> think you are over-reacting (that is me being polite).
Feel free to be as impolite as you wish Des.
You may or may not wish to claim long time acquaintance with
Usenet. In which case you may or may not find what follows
to be insufferably patronising. The choice is entirely yours.
One feature of Usenet Des, are "trolls". Regardless of
whatever definitions you may read in Online guides, "trolls"
are merely insincere posts or posters, often designed to
elicit a voluminous response from other sincere, posters.
Basically it amounts to winding people up, with quite
tangible results by way of lengthy responses.
As indeed may be the case here.
Political NewsGroups are redolent with "Extremist" trolls.
So that any well-meaning clueless newbie who posted into
such a NewsGroup, suggesting that maybe single mothers should
have a fairer deal, would find themselves spending the next
sixth months explaining why single mothers shouldn't in fact be
put in the workhouse forthwith. They would from that day forth
regard it as their mission in life to try and convince these
extremists out of their extremist positions merely by posting
on UseNet. Some poor souls get entangled with such extremist
trolls for years on end, would you believe ? Then after around
ten years of such treatment, they start protesting that the NewsGroup
is being undermined by extremists, why can't people just get along
together, while others are being "obnoxious". And then finally they
simply "flounce out" in a huff. Never to be heard from again. Ring
any bells by any chance, Des?
While practical Groups like URG don't attract any political
extremist trolls, except for the odd cat and squirrel torturers.
Instead they provide rich pickings for "clueless newbie" trolls.
Where - "I just got a packet of seeds what do I do next", can
elicit paragraph after paragraph of useful advice. If such
a troll is lucky, they can pick up a "personal adviser" from
among the regulars, who will quite happily answer at length
every possible dumb question they can think of drumming up.
The objective Des, is to ask increasingly dumb questions -
testing the notion of just how clueless can a clueless newbie
actually be ? Until the advisor finally falls in, and realises
they've been duped. Although quite possibly some may never do.
Whereas genuine clueless newbies when challenged don't react
in a streetwise way at all.
Either you're among the most glorious specimens of troll-bait
in the history of Usenet yourself Des, or you're back-trolling
yourself.
Now please go away before I mention the lap-top.
michael adams
>
>
>
>
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-28, 3:21 pm |
|
"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4429233c$0$31328$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
> by
> but
> really
>
>
> Feel free to be as impolite as you wish Des.
>
> You may or may not wish to claim long time acquaintance with
> Usenet. In which case you may or may not find what follows
> to be insufferably patronising. The choice is entirely yours.
>
> One feature of Usenet Des, are "trolls". Regardless of
> whatever definitions you may read in Online guides, "trolls"
> are merely insincere posts or posters, often designed to
> elicit a voluminous response from other sincere, posters.
> Basically it amounts to winding people up, with quite
> tangible results by way of lengthy responses.
> As indeed may be the case here.
>
In which case you have been trolled; grow up.
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| michael adams 2006-03-28, 3:21 pm |
|
"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:48t0kjFlrde3U1@individual.net...
the[color=darkred]
normally[color=darkred]
time[color=darkred]
perceived[color=darkred]
use[color=darkred]
>
> In which case you have been trolled; grow up.
No Des, you were the one who was trolled, it would seem.
Unless of course you're in cahoots with those lads from Dundee.
Not that you'd know anyone associated with Dundee Universtity
yourself of course.
Dear, oh dear, oh dear, curiosity, plus a very bad memory
seem to have got the better of you, it would seem.
"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:48t0kjFlrde3U1@individual.net...
> Now please go away before I mention the lap-top.
I'm not the one who had a lap-top computer stolen, containing
3 years worth of work which I'd never ever bothered to back-up
in all that time.
And boasted all about it, on UseNet.
So which particular prize were you aiming for with that
one, then eh Des?
michael adams
....
>
>
>
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| La Puce 2006-03-29, 5:21 am |
|
Rupert wrote:
> It's a shame you chose to ignore Buddha's advice.
I don't see why you should feel sad for me when you only feel the need
to respond to me to be nasty, critical or support the bullies. I am
quite secured in my karma Don. After all you seem to me to be
experienced more in the art of hypocrisy than friendlyness <nice smile>
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-29, 7:21 am |
|
"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8CfWf.7655$j7.274782@news.indigo.ie...
> the
> normally
> time
> perceived
> use
>
>
> No Des, you were the one who was trolled, it would seem.
>
> Unless of course you're in cahoots with those lads from Dundee.
>
> Not that you'd know anyone associated with Dundee Universtity
> yourself of course.
I know several people at Dundee and was even there in February;
we were of course planning a large scale subversion of usenet, starting with
gardening groups.
Well spotted that man!
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| michael adams 2006-03-29, 8:21 am |
|
"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:48tfvrFluvjdU1@individual.net...
"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:442a65bc$0$31338$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
< Gross mercy snippage >
>
> I know several people at Dundee and was even there in February;
> we were of course planning a large scale subversion of usenet,
> starting with gardening groups.
> Well spotted that man!
....
Not a Crime Prevention Seminar by any chance Des?
Actually, that was intended a joke.
As if !
How exactly can I put this ?
Having so little regard for the possible consequences for NewsGroup
cohesion, of immediately siding with a possible troll against a
NewsGroup regular*, is quite possibly what might be expected from
someone who had a lap-top stolen containing one year's entire
work, kept alongside their solitary backup CD.
Stolen as well, of course.
* When someone is challenging a troll the best recourse is probably
to leave them to it. Trolls are usually tempted into intemperate
languge within one or two exchanges in any case. What they
positively relish, is arguments among regulars as to how
best to react to the troll. Trolls deserve no mercy and no
undue politeness over and above the standard for the NG
in question.
wait for it, wait for it.....
hth
michael adams
....
michael adams
....
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| Des Higgins 2006-03-29, 9:21 am |
|
"michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:442a65bc$0$31338$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
>
> "Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:442a65bc$0$31338$ba620d2c@reader.news.heanet.ie...
>
> < Gross mercy snippage >
>
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
> Not a Crime Prevention Seminar by any chance Des?
>
> Actually, that was intended a joke.
>
> As if !
>
> How exactly can I put this ?
>
> Having so little regard for the possible consequences for NewsGroup
> cohesion, of immediately siding with a possible troll against a
> NewsGroup regular*, is quite possibly what might be expected from
> someone who had a lap-top stolen containing one year's entire
> work, kept alongside their solitary backup CD.
>
> Stolen as well, of course.
I have had several lap tops since that one; at least I do not have to get
mine out of skips.
And make up your mind; one post back it was three years work; now it is 1.
And you accuse me of faulty memory.
Actually it was 3 years of presentations and it was not the only copy.
I ended up losing the 2 months most recent versions as all the rest
including my entire corpus of work that you are so worried about was backed
up in various places.
As to why you are so keen to bring up all of this I can only assume that you
are such an insecure weirdo that if anyone so much as coughs in your
presence you just try to be as rude or spiteful as you can. If that is the
way you want to do it, then so beit. You can go back to doing it with
yourself.
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| michael adams 2006-03-29, 11:21 am |
|
"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "michael adams" <mjadams26@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:48v8v9FltfahU1@individual.net...
>
> I have had several lap tops since that one; at least I do
> not have to get mine out of skips.
....
eBay actually. I only got the one monitor out of a skip. A 17" iilyama
master pro. Best in its class. Works perfectly. I suggest you look up
some reviews.
If you are going to go scratching around looking for mud to
sling, at least try and get it right, eh? Mine was originally
from memory, as you don't come across admissions like that every
day of the week - one year three years whatever - whereas
yours clearly isn't from memory at all.
....
> And make up your mind; one post back it was three years work;
> now it is 1. And you accuse me of faulty memory.
....
See above. I didn't remember exact details.
....
> Actually it was 3 years of presentations and it was not the only copy.
> I ended up losing the 2 months most recent versions as all the rest
> including my entire corpus of work that you are so worried about was
backed
> up in various places.
....
That's not the impression you chose to give at the time, though is it?
There was none of this stuff about other copies then.
You were tying to paint yourself as being totally clueless.
....
> As to why you are so keen to bring up all of this I can only assume
> that you are such an insecure weirdo
....
that's an ad hominem there Des.
If you'll notice, I only ever stick to the facts.
....
> that if anyone so much as coughs in your
> presence you just try to be as rude
....
This is UseNet Des and so you're free to do as you please.
However in polite society butting into other people's
conversations, is considered the height of bad manners.
Or maybe nobody up until now, was ever kind enough to tell
you that to your face, for some reason.
Before I made my catastrophic "vultures" mistake I happened to
be 2-0 up against Janet. And Janet was just preparing to deliver
the coup-de-grace,when you came along and stuck your oar in
with your oh-so-clever "carrion crows" riposte.
I, like many other people I'd guess, was so cheesed off at this
intervention of yours Des, that I took you around the houses. At
which point you all of a sudden declared the thread "silly".
Fact:"IMO" and "IMHO" don't seem to figure very strongly in your
vocabulary for some reason, do they, eh ?
Similarly when Janet was dealing quite adequately with what
at that stage looked most likely to be a troll, - and as it
subsequently turned out was indeed a troll, you took it up
yourself to butt in there as well. And side with the troll.
Rude ? Thoughtless ? Moi ?
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> or spiteful as you can.
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More ad hominems and nastiness out of you there as well, Des.
I've tried to explain this to you all before, but to little avail
it would seem. You don't really seem to have the faintest idea of
how UseNet actually functions, and your general level of cluelessness
in that regard, means you need to resort to ad-hominems and personal
attacks at the very first opportunity. Or maybe you hadn't even
noticed ?
If you remember Des in the past I challenged you to provide
examples of my having made unprovoked attacks on people -
something you'd vociferously claimed that I did, but rather
than do so, you simply stopped posting.
And now presumably, you're hoping I hadn't remebered that little
episode either.
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> If that is the
> way you want to do it, then so beit. You can go back to doing
> it with yourself.
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No Des you're the one who typically flounces off in a huff,
not me, when he finds a NewsGroup not to his liking.
Anyway I'm sure this little contretemps, which you seem intent on
continuing for some unaccountable reason is boring the pants
off everyone here. If you want to continue it elsewhere then
feel free, I'll keep an eye out in case you do. Or you can simply
flounce-off as per usual, as the fancy takes you.
michael adams
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