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| My apologies for the OT post but.......Knowing the vast diversity of
knowledge and interests in this group can someone explain to me what an
'apostile' is in Greek law. My Cretan lawyer doesn't speak or write much
English and my Greek is non-existent, so I can't understand what it is she
wants me to do! I'm selling a property in Crete and have done as requested
in getting my UK lawyer to sign and witness the Power of Attorney needed in
Crete but the apostile seems to be some additional form of legalisation the
Greeks require but which is - boom boom - all Greek to me!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
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| Dave P 2006-09-28, 9:25 am |
| Sounds familiar. Something to do with translating documents?
Foreign (non Greek) documents can be translated at the Greek Consulates
around the world. They can also be translated by authorized translators, but
in this case the translations may require the Apostile stamp (if the
documents originate from the USA, Australia, the UK and some other
countries, but it is not required if they originate from Canada). Official
translations can also be made in Athens, at the Greek Ministry of Foreign
Affaires, as well as by Greek lawyers.
Dave
--
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is interesting. What they
conceal is vital. "
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| On 28/9/06 14:14, in article 4o205rFcd2r4U1@individual.net, "Dave P"
<davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds familiar. Something to do with translating documents?
>
> Foreign (non Greek) documents can be translated at the Greek Consulates
> around the world. They can also be translated by authorized translators, but
> in this case the translations may require the Apostile stamp (if the
> documents originate from the USA, Australia, the UK and some other
> countries, but it is not required if they originate from Canada). Official
> translations can also be made in Athens, at the Greek Ministry of Foreign
> Affaires, as well as by Greek lawyers.
Thank you, Dave. I have the document, translated into English by the Cretan
lawyer and now signed etc. by me and my UK lawyer. What seems to be needed
now is this Apostile to make it bona fide under Greek law. I think! My
problem is where to go and how to get one, whatever it is. I don't think
there are a lot of Greek lawyers thick on the ground in Devon! I imagine
this Apostile is for my protection because I'm giving a Power of Attorney
but it's a new one to me!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
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| Uncle Marvo 2006-09-28, 9:25 am |
| In reply to Sacha (sacha@privacy.net) who wrote this in
C141896B.3A1AB%sacha@privacy.net, I, Marvo, say :
> My apologies for the OT post but.......Knowing the vast diversity of
> knowledge and interests in this group can someone explain to me what
> an 'apostile' is in Greek law. My Cretan lawyer doesn't speak or
> write much English and my Greek is non-existent, so I can't
> understand what it is she wants me to do! I'm selling a property in
> Crete and have done as requested in getting my UK lawyer to sign and
> witness the Power of Attorney needed in Crete but the apostile seems
> to be some additional form of legalisation the Greeks require but
> which is - boom boom - all Greek to me!
AFAIK the Apostile is the legalisation of the document, not to do with the
signature but to do with attaching certain documents, usually original
registration documents, usually from a government or its agents.
Presumably they want the original land ownership documents (we have similar
things here in the land registry). Which you have?
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| Dave P 2006-09-28, 9:25 am |
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"Sacha" <sacha@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C1418B63.3A1B0%sacha@privacy.net...
On 28/9/06 14:14, in article 4o205rFcd2r4U1@individual.net, "Dave P"
<davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds familiar. Something to do with translating documents?
>
> Foreign (non Greek) documents can be translated at the Greek Consulates
> around the world. They can also be translated by authorized translators,
> but
> in this case the translations may require the Apostile stamp (if the
> documents originate from the USA, Australia, the UK and some other
> countries, but it is not required if they originate from Canada). Official
> translations can also be made in Athens, at the Greek Ministry of Foreign
> Affaires, as well as by Greek lawyers.
Thank you, Dave. I have the document, translated into English by the Cretan
lawyer and now signed etc. by me and my UK lawyer. What seems to be needed
now is this Apostile to make it bona fide under Greek law. I think! My
problem is where to go and how to get one, whatever it is. I don't think
there are a lot of Greek lawyers thick on the ground in Devon! I imagine
this Apostile is for my protection because I'm giving a Power of Attorney
but it's a new one to me!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
Its been ages since I did law but I think Marvo may be on the right lines.
Its a stamp that go on documents and in effect make them recognised
internationally. So a UK marriage certificate can be be taken say, to the
Polish Consulate in London, examined and given the apostile stamp so the
marriage certificate is recognised in Poland.
More info http://global-inter.net/apostile.htm
So a call to the Greek Consulate?
Dave
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| Uncle Marvo 2006-09-28, 9:25 am |
| In reply to Dave P (davepnospam@hotmail.com) who wrote this in
4o20lpFcjt17U1@individual.net, I, Marvo, say :
> "Sacha" <sacha@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:C1418B63.3A1B0%sacha@privacy.net...
> On 28/9/06 14:14, in article 4o205rFcd2r4U1@individual.net, "Dave P"
> <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you, Dave. I have the document, translated into English by the
> Cretan lawyer and now signed etc. by me and my UK lawyer. What seems
> to be needed now is this Apostile to make it bona fide under Greek
> law. I think! My problem is where to go and how to get one,
> whatever it is. I don't think there are a lot of Greek lawyers thick
> on the ground in Devon! I imagine this Apostile is for my protection
> because I'm giving a Power of Attorney but it's a new one to me!
Davide said this :
> Its been ages since I did law but I think Marvo may be on the right lines.
Blimey, that'll be a first.
> Its a stamp that go on documents and in effect make them recognised
> internationally. So a UK marriage certificate can be be taken say, to the
> Polish Consulate in London, examined and given the apostile stamp so the
> marriage certificate is recognised in Poland.
Before you rush, I am /sure/ that it is NOT a stamp, I'm sure that the
apostile is the attachment of the actual document. But not /that/ sure,
because I'm not a legal beagle. You could post this to that uk.legal
gubbins?
HTH
> More info http://global-inter.net/apostile.htm
> So a call to the Greek Consulate?
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| On 28/9/06 14:26, in article 4o20rcFc77geU1@individual.net, "Uncle Marvo"
<paul.r@deletethisbitfortescue.org.uk> wrote:
<snip>> Before you rush, I am /sure/ that it is NOT a stamp, I'm sure that
the
> apostile is the attachment of the actual document. But not /that/ sure,
> because I'm not a legal beagle. You could post this to that uk.legal
> gubbins?
>
I could indeed. Many thanks to you and Dave. I have tried to find a
consulate but the nearest one appears to be in Hampshire! I've also now
emailed the Greek Embassy. But I suspect that you're right and what she's
asking me for is the original title deeds to the land.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
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| Dave P 2006-09-28, 9:25 am |
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I could indeed. Many thanks to you and Dave. I have tried to find a
consulate but the nearest one appears to be in Hampshire! I've also now
emailed the Greek Embassy. But I suspect that you're right and what she's
asking me for is the original title deeds to the land.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
It may be the case you need to go to London, seems the Foreign Office do it
to UK documents.
FO website http://tinyurl.com/qn4j7 with details.
DAve
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| Sacha <sacha@privacy.net> writes
>My apologies for the OT post but.......Knowing the vast diversity of
>knowledge and interests in this group can someone explain to me what an
>'apostile' is in Greek law. My Cretan lawyer doesn't speak or write much
>English and my Greek is non-existent, so I can't understand what it is she
>wants me to do! I'm selling a property in Crete and have done as requested
>in getting my UK lawyer to sign and witness the Power of Attorney needed in
>Crete but the apostile seems to be some additional form of legalisation the
>Greeks require but which is - boom boom - all Greek to me!
Googling on: apostile legal property it illuminating. In particular
http://www.businesslegal.ltd.uk/php...ion_service.php
offers:
What is an Apostille?
An Apostille certificate authenticates the signature of the public
official who has signed an official document in your home state. The
Apostille certificate confirms the person that signed the document has
the authority to do so and that the document should therefore be
recognised as legal without further evidence in another member state. A
member state is any country which has joined the Hague Convention.
Why have an Apostille certificate?
The 1961 Hague Convention reduces all of the formalities of legalisation
of documents to the simple delivery of a certificate in a prescribed
form, entitled "Apostille" by the authorities of the State where the
document originates. This certificate, placed on the document, is dated,
numbered and registered. The verification of its registration can be
carried out easily by means of a request for information addressed to
the authority which delivered the certificate.
and gives details of what it contains.
There are a good number of companies advertising this service.
--
Kay
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| On 28/9/06 15:41, in article Vwfi84FW89GFFwPN@scarboro.demon.co.uk, "K"
<k@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Sacha <sacha@privacy.net> writes
>
> Googling on: apostile legal property it illuminating. In particular
>
> http://www.businesslegal.ltd.uk/php...ion_service.php
>
> offers:
>
> What is an Apostille?
> An Apostille certificate authenticates the signature of the public
> official who has signed an official document in your home state. The
> Apostille certificate confirms the person that signed the document has
> the authority to do so and that the document should therefore be
> recognised as legal without further evidence in another member state. A
> member state is any country which has joined the Hague Convention.
>
> Why have an Apostille certificate?
> The 1961 Hague Convention reduces all of the formalities of legalisation
> of documents to the simple delivery of a certificate in a prescribed
> form, entitled "Apostille" by the authorities of the State where the
> document originates. This certificate, placed on the document, is dated,
> numbered and registered. The verification of its registration can be
> carried out easily by means of a request for information addressed to
> the authority which delivered the certificate.
>
> and gives details of what it contains.
>
> There are a good number of companies advertising this service.
This is terrific, Kay and thank you. I Googled but just came up with
companies offering the service, some of which sounded very dodgy indeed. I
think I'll visit the Devon lawyer tomorrow with this printed out and leave
it in his hands to sort out! I'm most grateful.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
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| Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 2006-09-28, 1:25 pm |
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"Sacha" <sacha@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C141A546.3A1D3%sacha@privacy.net...
> On 28/9/06 15:41, in article Vwfi84FW89GFFwPN@scarboro.demon.co.uk, "K"
> <k@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> This is terrific, Kay and thank you. I Googled but just came up with
> companies offering the service, some of which sounded very dodgy indeed.
> I
> think I'll visit the Devon lawyer tomorrow with this printed out and leave
> it in his hands to sort out! I'm most grateful.
>
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
>
I have not read all the posts but I think the apostile bit is the equivalent
of our Notary-Commissioner for Oaths.
I had the same fiasco with an overseas property in probate .
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