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| Hello, All. I'm looking for recommendations for evergreen climbers to cover
the side wall of a brick garage. The plants are to go into 2 wooden
planters which are each about 2 feet wide by 4 feet long and about 2 feet in
depth, so the plants shouldn't be too invasive or vigorous. Ivy is an
obvious choice, but it might be too invasive? Is there anything else that
would do the job better?
Many thanks in advance.
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| In article <yPGUi.3724$Eq.319@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
someone@somewhere.net says...
> Hello, All. I'm looking for recommendations for evergreen climbers to cover
> the side wall of a brick garage. The plants are to go into 2 wooden
> planters which are each about 2 feet wide by 4 feet long and about 2 feet in
> depth, so the plants shouldn't be too invasive or vigorous. Ivy is an
> obvious choice, but it might be too invasive? Is there anything else that
> would do the job better?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
>
>
Which way is it facing and where are you? it makes a big difference.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| judith.lea 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| On Oct 27, 3:44 pm, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <yPGUi.3724$Eq....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
> some...@somewhere.net says...> Hello, All. I'm looking for recommendations for evergreen climbers to cover
>
>
> Which way is it facing and where are you? it makes a big difference.
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea
Charlie, can I tag on here, I want a clematis, hardy, evergreen, south
east facing, the Auvergne, France, snow in December and Jan Feb and
March pretty vicious. Is there anything I could plant in these
conditions?
Judith
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| Martin 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:56:53 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>On Oct 27, 3:44 pm, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>Charlie, can I tag on here, I want a clematis, hardy, evergreen, south
>east facing, the Auvergne, France, snow in December and Jan Feb and
>March pretty vicious. Is there anything I could plant in these
>conditions?
RHS
http://www.rhs.org.uk/WhatsOn/garde...allpom05jan.asp
--
Martin
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| judith.lea 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| On Oct 27, 3:59 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:56:53 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.le...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
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> RHShttp://www.rhs.org.uk/WhatsOn/gardens/hydehall/archive/hydehallpom05j...
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You Darling, thank you. Now I have to see if I can find it in France
otherwise Charlie will be sending me one next Spring.
Judith
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"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote
> Which way is it facing and where are you? it makes a big difference.
Yes, sorry. The garden is on the south of the house, and the planter box
itself faces west, so it should be reasonably bright and fairly sheltered.
We're in Bolton, so it's generally a bit damp and chilly.
Many thanks.
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| Martin 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:27:19 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>On Oct 27, 3:59 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
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>You Darling, thank you. Now I have to see if I can find it in France
>otherwise Charlie will be sending me one next Spring.
Flattery will get you nowhere.
I'm waiting for somebody to tell me just how hardy it is.
--
Martin
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| In article <1193497013.865678.149090@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
judith.lea99@googlemail.com says...
> On Oct 27, 3:44 pm, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Charlie, can I tag on here, I want a clematis, hardy, evergreen, south
> east facing, the Auvergne, France, snow in December and Jan Feb and
> March pretty vicious. Is there anything I could plant in these
> conditions?
>
> Judith
>
>
I don't think so, the two toughest are Cirrhosa and armandii, on a wall I
am not sure what you would get away with but from previous threads your
place sounds rather cold in winter!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| In article <aan6i31u64h02j6ktiae9uunh9ek4gusj8@4ax.com>,
me@address.invalid says...
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:27:19 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
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> Flattery will get you nowhere.
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> I'm waiting for somebody to tell me just how hardy it is.
>
I couldn't get the page to open, what is it about?
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| In article <fXIUi.178$pg.108@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, someone@somewhere.net
says...
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> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote
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> Yes, sorry. The garden is on the south of the house, and the planter box
> itself faces west, so it should be reasonably bright and fairly sheltered.
> We're in Bolton, so it's generally a bit damp and chilly.
>
> Many thanks.
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A west facing wall with some shelter, you ought to be able to grow
Clematis armandii, Clematis cirrhosa balearica, Holboellia latifolia,
Passiflora caerulea. Lonicera japonica (I prefer the form Acumen for
leaves) If we had a stinker of a winter all would be damaged or killed.
As soon as I send this I will probably think of more!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Martin 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:38:22 +0100, Charlie Pridham
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <aan6i31u64h02j6ktiae9uunh9ek4gusj8@4ax.com>,
>me@address.invalid says...
>I couldn't get the page to open, what is it about?
Googlegroups has mangled the URL.
It was about Clematis cirrhosa var. purpurascens 'Freckles'
http://tinyurl.com/2fsolf
or
http://www.rhs.org.uk/WhatsOn/garde...allpom05jan.asp
In case you still can't access it is here is the text
Gardens
RHS Garden Hyde Hall
Harlow Carr | Hyde Hall | Rosemoor | Wisley |
Plant of the Month: January
Clematis cirrhosa var. purpurascens 'Freckles' at Hyde Hall. Photo : Alison
Clarke
Clematis cirrhosa var. purpurascens 'Freckles'
Common name: Old man's beard, traveller's joy, virgin's bower.
Family: Ranunculaceae
Vital statistics
Height and spread: 3-4m (10-13ft) x 1.8m (6ft).
Form: Evergreen climber.
Soil: Well-drained, gritty.
Aspect: Sunny, warm position.
Hardiness: Half-hardy to hardy.
Clematis cirrhosa var. purpurascens 'Freckles' @ Hyde Hall
You can see a great example of C. cirrhosa var. purpurascens 'Freckles' at Hyde
Hall, near the Farmhouse. Here it is grown over a low wall, which it covers with
its slightly shiny, evergreen foliage. This clematis is a great plant for winter
interest as it flowers through the winter season, during slightly milder periods
of weather. It bears creamy white, pendulous flowers, which have dark red spots
on the insides of the petals.
Clematis
There are around 300 species of deciduous or evergreen semi-woody to woody,
sprawling climbers or woody-based perennials in this genus, and more than 400
cultivars currently in cultivation.
Clematis occur in the northern and southern hemispheres including Europe, China,
Australasia, North America and Central America. They have been long cultivated
in Japan, and have been cultivated in Europe since the 16th century.
The name is derived from the Greek klema meaning a twig, reflecting the brittle,
woody nature of the clambering stems.
The genus is quite diverse ranging from low-growing herbaceous perennials,
scandent or trailing shrubs, and climbers reaching 10-15m (30-50ft) in height.
The leaves are opposite sometimes alternate hairy to hairless, simple,
three-palamate or pinnate with irregularly cut margins.
Climbing species attach to host plants or supporting structures by use of their
leaf stalks.
Clematis are grown for their abundant flowers which are mostly bisexual rarely
unisexual and are borne singly or in cymes or panicles, which are often followed
by pretty grey seed heads.
Use climbing species to clothe a wall, arbour, trellis or pergola. They can also
be grown over large shrubs or small trees.
Clematis cirrhosa
This species is an early-flowering, evergreen climber from southern Europe and
the Mediterranean region.
It has leaves in groups of three with small lobed leaflets. The flowers are
open, cup-shaped, cream, often red-flecked and 2-7.5cm (0.75-3in) across. They
are borne singly or in clusters, in late winter or early spring, followed by
attractive seed heads.
C. cirrhosa var. purpurascens 'Freckles'
This attractive, vigorous cultivar was raised by Raymond Evison of Guernsey
Clematis Nursery, from wild seed collected in the Balearic Islands, and named
after one of his daughters whose nickname is Freckles. It was introduced in
1989.
It has single, nodding, creamy pink flowers with reddish maroon speckling on the
insides of the tepals. Each tepal is 4-5cm (1.5-2in) long.
This clematis is best at the back of a border on a wall or fence.
--
Martin
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| judith.lea 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
| On Oct 27, 4:47 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:27:19 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.le...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
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Thanks Martin, hopefully it is hardy, if anyone knows Charlie will.
Judith
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-10-27, 1:25 pm |
|
In article <MPG.218d7941afbf70d89896b4@News.Individual.NET>,
Charlie Pridham <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes:
|> In article <1193497013.865678.149090@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
|> judith.lea99@googlemail.com says...
|> >
|> > Charlie, can I tag on here, I want a clematis, hardy, evergreen, south
|> > east facing, the Auvergne, France, snow in December and Jan Feb and
|> > March pretty vicious. Is there anything I could plant in these
|> > conditions?
|> >
|> I don't think so, the two toughest are Cirrhosa and armandii, on a wall I
|> am not sure what you would get away with but from previous threads your
|> place sounds rather cold in winter!
Yes. Both are worth a go, but neither is truly hardy. C. armandii
doesn't like strong winds or heavy snow much, either.
As far as I know, the ONLY evergreen climber that will take serious
cold is Hedera helix, followed by H. colchica. But there are plenty
that will take current UK winters in all but the worst places; if
we revert to those of 25 years back, that will no longer hold.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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"Mo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:yPGUi.3724$Eq.319@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Hello, All. I'm looking for recommendations for evergreen climbers to
> cover the side wall of a brick garage. The plants are to go into 2 wooden
> planters which are each about 2 feet wide by 4 feet long and about 2 feet
> in depth, so the plants shouldn't be too invasive or vigorous. Ivy is an
> obvious choice, but it might be too invasive? Is there anything else that
> would do the job better? with
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
less invasive and more decorative Winter Flowering Jasmine Jasminum
nudiflorum with the added bonus of small yellow flowers not restricted to
just winter. Ivy does have a problem with the adventitious roots damageing
brickwork .
Derek
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| Jeff Layman 2007-10-27, 5:25 pm |
| Charlie Pridham wrote:
> In article <fXIUi.178$pg.108@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
> someone@somewhere.net says...
> A west facing wall with some shelter, you ought to be able to grow
> Clematis armandii, Clematis cirrhosa balearica, Holboellia latifolia,
> Passiflora caerulea. Lonicera japonica (I prefer the form Acumen for
> leaves) If we had a stinker of a winter all would be damaged or
> killed. As soon as I send this I will probably think of more!
Good list. To those stated I would add Akebia quinata or trifoliata. They
would do pretty well (maybe too well!), and in most winters would be more or
less evergreen. If the winter was very severe they would lose their leaves
completely, but would probably be more likely to survive than those in the
list.
--
Jeff
(cut "thetape" to reply)
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| judith.lea 2007-10-27, 5:25 pm |
| On Oct 27, 5:35 pm, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <1193497013.865678.149...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
> judith.le...@googlemail.com says...
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> I don't think so, the two toughest are Cirrhosa and armandii, on a wall I
> am not sure what you would get away with but from previous threads your
> place sounds rather cold in winter!
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
It is Charlie, any suggestions at all for something, anything
evergreeen, that may survive?
Judith
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-10-27, 5:25 pm |
|
In article <DvKdnQbyAoSXPb7anZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@tcp.co.uk>,
"Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@thetapetcp.co.uk> writes:
|>
|> Good list. To those stated I would add Akebia quinata or trifoliata. They
|> would do pretty well (maybe too well!), and in most winters would be more or
|> less evergreen. If the winter was very severe they would lose their leaves
|> completely, but would probably be more likely to survive than those in the
|> list.
Nah. Akebia quinata is hardy, but deciduous in all but very mild
winters. It has more-or-less kept its leaves on the last two, but
they have been freakishly mild. Before that, it lost its leaves
every year. Cambridge may be colder than Bolton, but not by much.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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| judith.lea 2007-10-27, 5:25 pm |
| On Oct 27, 10:09 pm, n...@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
> In article <DvKdnQbyAoSXPb7anZ2dnUVZ_qain...@tcp.co.uk>,"Jeff Layman" <jmlay...@thetapetcp.co.uk> writes:
>
> |>
> |> Good list. To those stated I would add Akebia quinata or trifoliata. They
> |> would do pretty well (maybe too well!), and in most winters would be more or
> |> less evergreen. If the winter was very severe they would lose their leaves
> |> completely, but would probably be more likely to survive than those in the
> |> list.
>
> Nah. Akebia quinata is hardy, but deciduous in all but very mild
> winters. It has more-or-less kept its leaves on the last two, but
> they have been freakishly mild. Before that, it lost its leaves
> every year. Cambridge may be colder than Bolton, but not by much.
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.
Come on Nick and Charlie, south of Clermont Ferrand at high altitude?
Judith
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-28, 3:25 am |
| In article <1193518120.520061.163320@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
judith.lea99@googlemail.com says...
> On Oct 27, 5:35 pm, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It is Charlie, any suggestions at all for something, anything
> evergreeen, that may survive?
>
> Judith
>
>
For reliability I would consider wall training a hardy everygreen shrub,
I am just not familar with the climate in that part of france, but even
ivy can look awful in exposed cold places! If you could give some idea of
the sorts of plants that appear to be doing well around you that may
help.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-28, 3:25 am |
| In article <8lq6i35516d58cfol6et2fuultahkl6n1l@4ax.com>,
me@address.invalid says...
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:38:22 +0100, Charlie Pridham
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
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> Googlegroups has mangled the URL.
> It was about Clematis cirrhosa var. purpurascens 'Freckles'
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2fsolf
> or
> http://www.rhs.org.uk/WhatsOn/garde...allpom05jan.asp
>
> In case you still can't access it is here is the text
>
> Gardens
>
> RHS Garden Hyde Hall
> Harlow Carr | Hyde Hall | Rosemoor | Wisley |
>
Thanks for that (my news reader seems to have snipped it from the reply
but its there in your post)
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-28, 3:25 am |
| In article <1193503974.199226.196710@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
judith.lea99@googlemail.com says...
> On Oct 27, 4:47 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> Thanks Martin, hopefully it is hardy, if anyone knows Charlie will.
>
All I can say is its all right at -9c but did not flower well for nearly
a year after, as a plant I find it very untidy and it flowers all summer
as well as November to april, but unles you get under the flowers they
are a bit shabby, best grown on an arch in my opinion so you are able to
look up into the flowers. but of course in a cold place you have no
choice but to put it onto a wall!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Martin 2007-10-28, 3:25 am |
| On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:12:19 -0000, Charlie Pridham
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <8lq6i35516d58cfol6et2fuultahkl6n1l@4ax.com>,
>me@address.invalid says...
>Thanks for that (my news reader seems to have snipped it from the reply
>but its there in your post)
Is it hardy enough to grow in Sheffield and Stoke-on-Trent?
I'd already found it for my kids, before Judith asked for suggestions.
Both kids have fences they want to cover.
--
Martin
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| Martin 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:17:20 -0000, Charlie Pridham
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1193503974.199226.196710@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>judith.lea99@googlemail.com says...
[color=darkred]
>All I can say is its all right at -9c but did not flower well for nearly
>a year after, as a plant I find it very untidy and it flowers all summer
>as well as November to april, but unles you get under the flowers they
>are a bit shabby, best grown on an arch in my opinion so you are able to
>look up into the flowers. but of course in a cold place you have no
>choice but to put it onto a wall!
Thanks, Charlie.
--
Martin
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| In article <8jh8i35asg7eml2tt1tfan4kkrjoo0m6kt@4ax.com>,
me@address.invalid says...[color=darkred]
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:12:19 -0000, Charlie Pridham
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
Not likely to die but may have the occassional bad year, but as when its
happy you have hack barrow loads of it off, it probably doesn't make a
lot of diffence!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Martin 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:43:14 -0000, Charlie Pridham
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <8jh8i35asg7eml2tt1tfan4kkrjoo0m6kt@4ax.com>,
>me@address.invalid says...
>Not likely to die but may have the occassional bad year, but as when its
>happy you have hack barrow loads of it off, it probably doesn't make a
>lot of diffence!
LOL
--
Martin
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| judith.lea 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Oct 28, 8:17 am, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <1193503974.199226.196...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
> judith.le...@googlemail.com says...
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> All I can say is its all right at -9c but did not flower well for nearly
> a year after, as a plant I find it very untidy and it flowers all summer
> as well as November to april, but unles you get under the flowers they
> are a bit shabby, best grown on an arch in my opinion so you are able to
> look up into the flowers. but of course in a cold place you have no
> choice but to put it onto a wall!
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text -
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I might give it a miss Charlie and take a look round the area in
January to see what, if anything, is surviving.
Judith
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| judith.lea 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Oct 28, 8:08 am, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <1193518120.520061.163...@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> judith.le...@googlemail.com says...
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> For reliability I would consider wall training a hardy everygreen shrub,
> I am just not familar with the climate in that part of france, but even
> ivy can look awful in exposed cold places! If you could give some idea of
> the sorts of plants that appear to be doing well around you that may
> help.
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I will have a look round when the weather really deteriorates so that
I can see what is looking o.k. Thanks for the advice Charlie.
Judith
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| Martin 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:08:58 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>I might give it a miss Charlie and take a look round the area in
>January to see what, if anything, is surviving.
Under the snow? :-)
--
Martin
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| judith.lea 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Oct 28, 11:18 am, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:08:58 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.le...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
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> Under the snow? :-)
> --
>
> Martin
As we are talking about climbers, I do hope the snow won't be that
deep :-)
Judith
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| Janet Tweedy 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| In article <aan6i31u64h02j6ktiae9uunh9ek4gusj8@4ax.com>, Martin
<me@address.invalid> writes
>
> I'm waiting for somebody to tell me just how hardy it is.
I didn't find it liked being in a pot, even a large one, it does a lot
better in the ground.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk
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| Martin 2007-10-28, 9:25 am |
| On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:29:46 -0000, "judith.lea" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>On Oct 28, 11:18 am, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=darkred]
>As we are talking about climbers, I do hope the snow won't be that
>deep :-)
I'm not sure how high up you are nor how far south of Clement Ferrand you are.
--
Martin
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| Jeff Layman 2007-10-28, 1:25 pm |
| Nick Maclaren wrote:
> In article <DvKdnQbyAoSXPb7anZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@tcp.co.uk>,
> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@thetapetcp.co.uk> writes:
>
> Nah. Akebia quinata is hardy, but deciduous in all but very mild
> winters. It has more-or-less kept its leaves on the last two, but
> they have been freakishly mild. Before that, it lost its leaves
> every year.
It would be worth trying A. quinata (perhaps less so trifoliata) as it is
cheap and very quick growing. If it was not evergreen enough, it would not
be a great loss to remove it and try something else. Stauntonia hexaphylla
could be an alternative to Holboellia latifolia, and perhaps Trachelospermum
jasminoides is also an option. The OP was talking about a south or west
facing position which was "fairly sheltered".
>Cambridge may be colder than Bolton, but not by much.
Difficult to tell from Met Office info available on the web. I guess Bolton
is too far inland to have its climate influenced by the sea. Have really
only the last two winters been freakishly mild? Surely only a couple of the
last dozen or so winters have shown anything like the sort of frosts we
should have expected.
Maybe I should start another thread for this, but I have often wondered
why - other than ivy - there are just about no reliably hardy evergreen
plants. By hardy I would define plants which can survive, with no or minimal
damage, what our friends on the other side of the pond would claim as a Zone
6 climate (there are few enough which would be happy in Zone 7!).
--
Jeff
(cut "thetape" to reply)
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-10-28, 1:25 pm |
| In article <baqdnXs2hsN6ObnanZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@tcp.co.uk>,
jmlayman@thetapetcp.co.uk says...
> Nick Maclaren wrote:
>
> It would be worth trying A. quinata (perhaps less so trifoliata) as it is
> cheap and very quick growing. If it was not evergreen enough, it would not
> be a great loss to remove it and try something else. Stauntonia hexaphylla
> could be an alternative to Holboellia latifolia, and perhaps Trachelospermum
> jasminoides is also an option. The OP was talking about a south or west
> facing position which was "fairly sheltered".
>
>
> Difficult to tell from Met Office info available on the web. I guess Bolton
> is too far inland to have its climate influenced by the sea. Have really
> only the last two winters been freakishly mild? Surely only a couple of the
> last dozen or so winters have shown anything like the sort of frosts we
> should have expected.
>
> Maybe I should start another thread for this, but I have often wondered
> why - other than ivy - there are just about no reliably hardy evergreen
> plants. By hardy I would define plants which can survive, with no or minimal
> damage, what our friends on the other side of the pond would claim as a Zone
> 6 climate (there are few enough which would be happy in Zone 7!).
>
>
Well there are several reasons a climber may choose to be evergreen,
firstly it never freezes and day length is alway long enough for growth.
such plants are usually tender.
Secondly its a plant that grows amongst deciduous plants and is hoping to
take advantage of the winter light when the leaves drop. Ivy is the
classic example. But although Ivy is sometimes hardy (Hedera helix is
actually quite variable in this respect with several clones being quite
tender) generally plants adapted to climbing tree trunks in forest are
protected from the worst of the cold and a great deal of the wind, this
makes all the Evergreen climbing hydrangeas dodgy in exposed positions.
Thirdly its not wet enough to grow in the summer months so the plant does
most of its growing and flowering in winter like the Clematis cirrhosa's
(plants like this should really be called winter green rather than
evergreen as they will quite often shed their leaves or go dormant in hot
summers.
Sadly there is no scenario where being evergreen in a cold exposed
location is an advantage (apart from to gardeners!)
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-10-28, 1:25 pm |
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In article <baqdnXs2hsN6ObnanZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@tcp.co.uk>,
"Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@thetapetcp.co.uk> writes:
|>
|> Difficult to tell from Met Office info available on the web. I guess Bolton
|> is too far inland to have its climate influenced by the sea. Have really
|> only the last two winters been freakishly mild? Surely only a couple of the
|> last dozen or so winters have shown anything like the sort of frosts we
|> should have expected.
Oh, yes, but only the last two have had virtually NO frost, and fairly
consistely high average temperatures!
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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| On 28/10/07 16:55, in article fg2eu1$rt6$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk, "Nick
Maclaren" <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <baqdnXs2hsN6ObnanZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@tcp.co.uk>,
> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@thetapetcp.co.uk> writes:
> |>
> |> Difficult to tell from Met Office info available on the web. I guess Bolton
> |> is too far inland to have its climate influenced by the sea. Have really
> |> only the last two winters been freakishly mild? Surely only a couple of
> the
> |> last dozen or so winters have shown anything like the sort of frosts we
> |> should have expected.
>
> Oh, yes, but only the last two have had virtually NO frost, and fairly
> consistely high average temperatures!
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.
Does this mean some law of averages or other should be making us nervous??
Who was that was going to start a thread on berries on the trees. I saw a
holly tree the other day.......... ;-))
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-10-28, 1:25 pm |
|
In article <C34A71EE.5D9E3%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk>,
Sacha <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
|>
|> > |> last dozen or so winters have shown anything like the sort of frosts we
|> > |> should have expected.
|> >
|> > Oh, yes, but only the last two have had virtually NO frost, and fairly
|> > consistely high average temperatures!.
|>
|> Does this mean some law of averages or other should be making us nervous??
|> Who was that was going to start a thread on berries on the trees. I saw a
|> holly tree the other day.......... ;-))
Only if you have a strategy for winning at the lottery :-)
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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| Charlie Pridham <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes
>Well there are several reasons a climber may choose to be evergreen,
>firstly it never freezes and day length is alway long enough for growth.
>such plants are usually tender.
>Secondly its a plant that grows amongst deciduous plants and is hoping to
>take advantage of the winter light when the leaves drop. Ivy is the
>classic example. But although Ivy is sometimes hardy (Hedera helix is
>actually quite variable in this respect with several clones being quite
>tender) generally plants adapted to climbing tree trunks in forest are
>protected from the worst of the cold and a great deal of the wind, this
>makes all the Evergreen climbing hydrangeas dodgy in exposed positions.
>Thirdly its not wet enough to grow in the summer months so the plant does
>most of its growing and flowering in winter like the Clematis cirrhosa's
>(plants like this should really be called winter green rather than
>evergreen as they will quite often shed their leaves or go dormant in hot
>summers.
>Sadly there is no scenario where being evergreen in a cold exposed
>location is an advantage (apart from to gardeners!)
Though it's a strategy which works for a lot of conifers.
And holly - though that may be to help holly take advantage of leaf loss
of the trees surrounding it, in other words, not a cold, exposed
situation.
--
Kay
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| Many thanks to all who replied to my question. I might give the clematis
and passiflora a try.
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-10-28, 8:25 pm |
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In article <kL8Vi.17053$T8.3317@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>,
"Mo" <someone@somewhere.net> writes:
|>
|> Many thanks to all who replied to my question. I might give the clematis
|> and passiflora a try.
A reasonable approach. Be warned that Passiflora caerulea is not
evergreen with me, even in the recent very mild winters. Clematis
armandii is.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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| Jeff Layman 2007-10-29, 1:25 pm |
| K wrote:
> Charlie Pridham <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes
(snip)
>
> Though it's a strategy which works for a lot of conifers.
Indeed - they will grow in extreme conditions where little else does. And
considering conifers have been around for an extraordinary long time, one
wonders why a climbing conifer has never evolved (would it be identifiable
from fossil records anyway?).
--
Jeff
(cut "thetape" to reply)
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-10-29, 1:25 pm |
|
In article <YJ6dnWEqqKsMcrjanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@tcp.co.uk>,
"Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@thetapetcp.co.uk> writes:
|> K wrote:
|> > Charlie Pridham <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes
|>
|> >> Sadly there is no scenario where being evergreen in a cold exposed
|> >> location is an advantage (apart from to gardeners!)
|> >
|> > Though it's a strategy which works for a lot of conifers.
|>
|> Indeed - they will grow in extreme conditions where little else does. And
|> considering conifers have been around for an extraordinary long time, one
|> wonders why a climbing conifer has never evolved (would it be identifiable
|> from fossil records anyway?).
There are prostrate ones. In extreme conditions, there is rarely much
point in climbing - there isn't any shortage of space, and often nothing
to climb up. It might well be identifiable.
However, conifers are widely distributed throughout the temperate
regions, but do seem to have lost their structural adaptability
as they differentiated. There is very little variation in ANY
such aspect, compared to even much smaller clades of angiosperms.
I can't even guess why.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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