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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-18, 9:25 am |
| I'm involved with the International Bee Research Association's collection of
records of bee boles, concentrating on my own area primarily.
www.ibra.org.uk/beeboles
It occurred to me that some of you might have boles which haven't been
recorded. If so, do contact IBRA directly or ask me for more information.
Please :-)
Mary
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| Cerumen 2007-11-18, 9:25 am |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm involved with the International Bee Research Association's collection
> of records of bee boles, concentrating on my own area primarily.
>
> www.ibra.org.uk/beeboles
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> It occurred to me that some of you might have boles which haven't been
> recorded. If so, do contact IBRA directly or ask me for more information.
>
> Please :-)
>
Well I don't have any in my present house but have lived in a house with
them in the dim distant past and until now had no idea what they were
although I had asked a few people who were similarly as ignorant as I.
--
Chris
Ignoti nulla cupido
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-11-18, 9:25 am |
| In article <47402ee1$0$763$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
> I'm involved with the International Bee Research Association's collection of
> records of bee boles, concentrating on my own area primarily.
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> www.ibra.org.uk/beeboles
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> It occurred to me that some of you might have boles which haven't been
> recorded. If so, do contact IBRA directly or ask me for more information.
>
> Please :-)
>
> Mary
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3 places I know there are some which do not appear on that list, Heligon,
Trengwainton and Tregrehane
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-18, 9:25 am |
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"Cerumen" <cerumen.chris@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:47402ee1$0$763$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
> Well I don't have any in my present house but have lived in a house with
> them in the dim distant past and until now had no idea what they were
> although I had asked a few people who were similarly as ignorant as I.
Do you know if they were recorded?
Mary
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> --
> Chris
> Ignoti nulla cupido
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-18, 9:25 am |
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"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <47402ee1$0$763$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
> 3 places I know there are some which do not appear on that list, Heligon,
> Trengwainton and Tregrehane
If you haven't already, can I pass on this information (with your addy) to
IBRA?
Mary
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| Cerumen 2007-11-18, 9:25 am |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Cerumen" <cerumen.chris@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fhpden$sqj$1@registered.motzarella.org...
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> Do you know if they were recorded?
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I do now as I looked on the web site and they are indeed recorded.
--
Chris
Ignoti nulla cupido
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-11-18, 1:25 pm |
| In article <474049e7$0$763$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
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> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.21aa52f85a640abc9896e7@News.Individual.NET...
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> If you haven't already, can I pass on this information (with your addy) to
> IBRA?
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> Mary
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Yes, check the spelling of the garden names though!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-18, 1:25 pm |
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"Cerumen" <cerumen.chris@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I do now as I looked on the web site and they are indeed recorded.
Good :-)
Mary
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| someone 2007-11-18, 5:25 pm |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm involved with the International Bee Research Association's collection
> of records of bee boles, concentrating on my own area primarily.
>
> www.ibra.org.uk/beeboles
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> It occurred to me that some of you might have boles which haven't been
> recorded. If so, do contact IBRA directly or ask me for more information.
>
> Please :-)
>
> Mary
My neighbour has a beehive-shaped ice house built about 1850 beneath her
garden. It is accessed via a long tunnel and, after descending into it
about half way, you pass a square recess in the stone wall. I recall her
telling me that she discovered it was used to store a beehive in the winter,
since the temperature is fairly constant. Is this the sort of thing you
mean?
someone
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-11-19, 3:25 am |
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In article <4740bd92$0$13936$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>,
"someone" <someone@flibbernet.com> writes:
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|> My neighbour has a beehive-shaped ice house built about 1850 beneath her
|> garden. It is accessed via a long tunnel and, after descending into it
|> about half way, you pass a square recess in the stone wall. I recall her
|> telling me that she discovered it was used to store a beehive in the winter,
|> since the temperature is fairly constant. Is this the sort of thing you
|> mean?
Now, I have never heard of THAT before!
As I understand it, normal bee boles were in a wall - usually a warm
wall, either south facing or part of a building.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-19, 9:25 am |
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"someone" <someone@flibbernet.com> wrote in message
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> My neighbour has a beehive-shaped ice house built about 1850 beneath her
> garden. It is accessed via a long tunnel and, after descending into it
> about half way, you pass a square recess in the stone wall. I recall her
> telling me that she discovered it was used to store a beehive in the
> winter, since the temperature is fairly constant. Is this the sort of
> thing you mean?
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No, an ice house is used for making and storing ice.
But in the past in Britain (and even now in some parts of the world, such as
Canada) beehives were stored in cellars - i.e. in a frost free but dry and
dark - place so an ice house could have been used for storing hives during
winter if it weren't being used for storing ice too. It would be unusual to
have a single recess in such a place for storing a hive. It would more
likely to be used for a light of some kind or tools, overshoes, anything
which might be needed in such a situation. The domed shape is common for ice
houses and of course the domed roof would make it very strong.
A bee bole is usually built into a garden or house wall, some walls have
been built purely to accommodate boles. If you go to the link you'll see
very many examples.
Boles are unsuitable for modern wooden hives, they were used for straw
skeps.
www.ibra.org.uk/beeboles
Mary
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| graham 2007-11-19, 1:25 pm |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "someone" <someone@flibbernet.com> wrote in message
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> No, an ice house is used for making and storing ice.
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> But in the past in Britain (and even now in some parts of the world, such
> as Canada) beehives were stored in cellars - i.e. in a frost free but dry
> and dark - place so an ice house could have been used for storing hives
> during winter if it weren't being used for storing ice too. It would be
> unusual to have a single recess in such a place for storing a hive. It
> would more likely to be used for a light of some kind or tools, overshoes,
> anything which might be needed in such a situation. The domed shape is
> common for ice houses and of course the domed roof would make it very
> strong.
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> A bee bole is usually built into a garden or house wall, some walls have
> been built purely to accommodate boles. If you go to the link you'll see
> very many examples.
>
> Boles are unsuitable for modern wooden hives, they were used for straw
> skeps.
>
> www.ibra.org.uk/beeboles
>
This morning, someone asked, via a radio program, whether he could keep bees
in the city. The Bylaw Officer said that they are classed as livestock and
therefore forbidden. I used to and a friend does still. The only one that
complained was frightened by the bees drinking the seepage on her hot-tub!
A jar of honey cured that!
I supposed if one called them pets, and named each one Eric, one could get
around the by-law{;-)
Graham
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-19, 1:25 pm |
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"graham" <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> This morning, someone asked, via a radio program, whether he could keep
> bees in the city. The Bylaw Officer said that they are classed as
> livestock and therefore forbidden. I used to and a friend does still.
> The only one that complained was frightened by the bees drinking the
> seepage on her hot-tub! A jar of honey cured that!
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> I supposed if one called them pets, and named each one Eric, one could get
> around the by-law{;-)
To be accurate you'd have to call (most of them) Ethel. All the workers are
females, there are very few males (drones) and the queen isn't one. As you
must know .
You must also know that Eric was 'alf a bee ... :-)
I'm sorry you can't legally keep bees on your property, everyone's losing
out!
Mary
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| Nick Maclaren 2007-11-19, 1:25 pm |
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In article <4741b3dc$0$766$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
|> "graham" <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote in message
|> news:HVh0j.9733$PE.1444@pd7urf1no...
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|> > I supposed if one called them pets, and named each one Eric, one could get
|> > around the by-law{;-)
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|> To be accurate you'd have to call (most of them) Ethel. All the workers are
|> females, there are very few males (drones) and the queen isn't one. As you
|> must know .
The workers are more like freemartins than functional females, though.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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| graham 2007-11-19, 1:25 pm |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> To be accurate you'd have to call (most of them) Ethel. All the workers
> are females, there are very few males (drones) and the queen isn't one. As
> you must know .
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> You must also know that Eric was 'alf a bee ... :-)
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> I'm sorry you can't legally keep bees on your property, everyone's losing
> out!
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During the summer, they used to kept on a farm on the outskirts of the city.
Those fields are now covered with houses. They were overwintered, wrapped
in insulation, in the back garden. There was a warm spell in late Oct one
year and the best hive (250lb yield) died from overheating.
Graham
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| Cat(h) 2007-11-20, 9:25 am |
| On Nov 18, 5:15 pm, "Mary Fisher" <mary.fis...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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Mary, do you know the origin of the word bole? Is it a bee hole,
distorted over centuries, or something?
Thank you for bringing to my attention something I was not even aware
of.
Cat(h)
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-20, 1:25 pm |
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"Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 18, 5:15 pm, "Mary Fisher" <mary.fis...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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> Mary, do you know the origin of the word bole? Is it a bee hole,
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> Thank you for bringing to my attention something I was not even aware
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Cath, I didn't know, your idea sounds plausible.
I looked in The Archaeology of Beekeeping, by Dr Crane (founder of IBRA, who
died last month) and found this little para. If Eva Crane used that
definition I reckon it's unlikely that it will be wrong - but nobody's
perfect. I can ask her colleague if she knows.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8ejier7&s=1
It is rather an arcane subject :-)
Mary
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| Cat(h) 2007-11-22, 9:25 am |
| On Nov 20, 3:54 pm, "Mary Fisher" <mary.fis...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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> died last month) and found this little para. If Eva Crane used that
> definition I reckon it's unlikely that it will be wrong - but nobody's
> perfect. I can ask her colleague if she knows.
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But interesting. Thanks for that, Mary.
Cat(h) (still learning the English language)
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-22, 1:25 pm |
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"Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So am I, who was born in England to English parents almost 69 years ago - I
don't believe that anyone will ever know everything about English :-)
Mary
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| Cat(h) 2007-11-22, 1:25 pm |
| On Nov 22, 3:51 pm, "Mary Fisher" <mary.fis...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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You've a few years up on me: I've only been practicing full time for
about 20 years :-)
But quite apart from the new word, it is just interesting to hear of
that architectural peculiarity. I might be able to recognise it
whenever I see it, and pretend to be awfully knowledgeable :-)
Cat(h)
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| Mary Fisher 2007-11-23, 9:25 am |
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"Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 22, 3:51 pm, "Mary Fisher" <mary.fis...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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> But quite apart from the new word, it is just interesting to hear of
> that architectural peculiarity. I might be able to recognise it
> whenever I see it, and pretend to be awfully knowledgeable :-)
Yes, that's always great :-)
Have a look on the website for your area, you might have something you've
already seen.
Mary
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