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| 'Mike' 2007-04-27, 3:25 am |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C2576536.4A961%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 27/4/07 08:17, in article
> d7-dneGkk9QeOazbnZ2dnUVZ8v-dnZ2d@brightview.com, "Muddymike"
> <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
> They take the posts from here - without permission - and use them there.
> --
> Sacha
Show me the copyright on any of these postings.
Mike
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www.rneba.org.uk
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| tinnews@isbd.co.uk 2007-04-27, 3:25 am |
| 'Mike' <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> "Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:C2576536.4A961%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
>
>
> Show me the copyright on any of these postings.
>
Copyright doesn't have to be stated to exist. Just about everything
one writes is automatically copyright and this applies to newsgroup
postings as much as anything else. However because of the public
nature of newsgroups it's accepted that their contents are fairly
freely quotable without infringing the original writer's copyright.
At least this is my understanding.
--
Chris Green
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-27, 9:25 am |
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<tinnews@isbd.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4631b054$0$642$bed64819@news.gradwell.net...
> 'Mike' <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote:
> Copyright doesn't have to be stated to exist. Just about everything
> one writes is automatically copyright and this applies to newsgroup
> postings as much as anything else. However because of the public
> nature of newsgroups it's accepted that their contents are fairly
> freely quotable without infringing the original writer's copyright.
>
> At least this is my understanding.
>
> --
> Chris Green
Can't argue about the first bit but I quite agree about the newsgroups being
'free and easy' with regards their content. However, as Sacha is paranoid
about Garden banter 'pinching her articles', what sort of case would she
have to sue them? A case of laugh in her face? :-)
Mike
--
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The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| On 27/4/07 09:12, in article 4631b054$0$642$bed64819@news.gradwell.net,
"tinnews@isbd.co.uk" <tinnews@isbd.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> Copyright doesn't have to be stated to exist. Just about everything
> one writes is automatically copyright and this applies to newsgroup
> postings as much as anything else. However because of the public
> nature of newsgroups it's accepted that their contents are fairly
> freely quotable without infringing the original writer's copyright.
>
> At least this is my understanding.
I think we all know that is the case but what some of us object to is the
freeloading for commercial purposes. They're 'stealing' other peoples'
knowledge, information, experiences and using them to promote their own
interests and they haven't even asked if they may do so. It's shabby and
greedy, as are those who endorse it, not that many here do.
What is interesting is that on the home page there is this:
"The comments are property of their posters. "
I often wonder what would happen if someone here gave such bad advice that
it wrecked a Gardenbanter reader's garden. Who would the victim sue -
Gardenbanter, obviously.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-27, 9:25 am |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C257789B.4A997%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 27/4/07 09:12, in article 4631b054$0$642$bed64819@news.gradwell.net,
> "tinnews@isbd.co.uk" <tinnews@isbd.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I think we all know that is the case but what some of us object to is the
> freeloading for commercial purposes. They're 'stealing' other peoples'
> knowledge, information, experiences and using them to promote their own
> interests and they haven't even asked if they may do so. It's shabby and
> greedy, as are those who endorse it, not that many here do.
> What is interesting is that on the home page there is this:
> "The comments are property of their posters. "
>
> I often wonder what would happen if someone here gave such bad advice that
> it wrecked a Gardenbanter reader's garden. Who would the victim sue -
> Gardenbanter, obviously.
>
> --
> Sacha
You ALWAYS create merry hell when a posting comes up from Garden banter and
lay down the law.
Why don't you sue them?
All mouth on here are you?
Put up or shut up.
:-))
Mike
--
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| tinnews@isbd.co.uk 2007-04-27, 9:25 am |
| Sacha <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27/4/07 09:12, in article 4631b054$0$642$bed64819@news.gradwell.net,
> "tinnews@isbd.co.uk" <tinnews@isbd.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I think we all know that is the case but what some of us object to is the
> freeloading for commercial purposes. They're 'stealing' other peoples'
> knowledge, information, experiences and using them to promote their own
> interests and they haven't even asked if they may do so. It's shabby and
> greedy, as are those who endorse it, not that many here do.
Quite, but I suspect that there's little one can do about it except
possibly to join Gardenbanter and make one's case there in the hope
that its readers will move to Usenet proper.
> What is interesting is that on the home page there is this:
> "The comments are property of their posters. "
So they are at least acknowledging your/my copyright.
--
Chris Green
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| Alan Holmes 2007-04-27, 9:25 am |
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"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:d7-dneGkk9QeOazbnZ2dnUVZ8v-dnZ2d@brightview.com...
> Whilst searching the web for something else I came across this
> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=41 I did not know our
> group was available in this form.
Just ignore it and stay in this group!
Alan
>
> Mike
>
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| On 27/4/07 12:56, in article 4631e4fa$0$646$bed64819@news.gradwell.net,
"tinnews@isbd.co.uk" <tinnews@isbd.co.uk> wrote:
> Sacha <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Quite, but I suspect that there's little one can do about it except
> possibly to join Gardenbanter and make one's case there in the hope
> that its readers will move to Usenet proper.
Up to now, this group has tended to approach things from the opposite pov
and encourage those who post from Gardenbanter here, to join urg direct.
That way they'll see everything, rather than what Gardenbanter chooses for
them to see.
>
>
> So they are at least acknowledging your/my copyright.
But ignoring it. Some time ago, I wrote telling them that I don't want them
to print my articles and that they do not have my permission to do so. I
know at least one other person did the same. Because I don't earn a living
writing here there is no point in suing them because I can't show that I am
losing by their actions.
All I can do is express my contempt for them.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C257CBA7.4A9EB%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 27/4/07 12:56, in article 4631e4fa$0$646$bed64819@news.gradwell.net,
> "tinnews@isbd.co.uk" <tinnews@isbd.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Up to now, this group has tended to approach things from the opposite pov
> and encourage those who post from Gardenbanter here, to join urg direct.
> That way they'll see everything, rather than what Gardenbanter chooses for
> them to see.
>
> But ignoring it. Some time ago, I wrote telling them that I don't want
> them
> to print my articles and that they do not have my permission to do so. I
> know at least one other person did the same. Because I don't earn a
> living
> writing here there is no point in suing them because I can't show that I
> am
> losing by their actions.
> All I can do is express my contempt for them.
>
and get hot under the collar every time Garden banter is mentioned.
Poor poor sad sad old woman :-((
Mike
--
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| Janet Tweedy 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
| In article <AuWdnVUp9YcKNazbnZ2dnUVZ8sGvnZ2d@bt.com>, 'Mike'
<3d&6d@woolies.com> writes
>
>Show me the copyright on any of these postings.
>
>
>Mike
It is actually annoying that they do this because some years ago I
posted to THIS group, happy to give away seeds
I had spare. About 1 year later they put it on their website and I got
emails from lots of unknown people all demanding spare seeds, of which I
had no more! It was disappointing for the emailer as well.
Janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Amersham Gardening Association
http://www.amersham-gardening.net
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| Muddymike 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"Janet Tweedy" <jan@lancedal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OJwjSYJt8gMGFwCo@ukonline.co.uk...
> In article <AuWdnVUp9YcKNazbnZ2dnUVZ8sGvnZ2d@bt.com>, 'Mike'
> <3d&6d@woolies.com> writes
>
>
> It is actually annoying that they do this because some years ago I posted
> to THIS group, happy to give away seeds
> I had spare. About 1 year later they put it on their website and I got
> emails from lots of unknown people all demanding spare seeds, of which I
> had no more! It was disappointing for the emailer as well.
>
Perhaps we should all add "Message not posted to garden banter" to our
signature line. Or perhaps, "Message stolen by garden banter" Oh what fun we
could have.
Mike
Message not posted to garden banter
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| Muddymike 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"Janet Tweedy" <jan@lancedal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OJwjSYJt8gMGFwCo@ukonline.co.uk...
> In article <AuWdnVUp9YcKNazbnZ2dnUVZ8sGvnZ2d@bt.com>, 'Mike'
> <3d&6d@woolies.com> writes
>
>
> It is actually annoying that they do this because some years ago I posted
> to THIS group, happy to give away seeds
> I had spare. About 1 year later they put it on their website and I got
> emails from lots of unknown people all demanding spare seeds, of which I
> had no more! It was disappointing for the emailer as well.
>
Just had another look and this thread is on there. Perhaps we should all add
"Message not posted to garden banter" to our
signature line. Or perhaps, "Message stolen by garden banter" Oh what fun we
could have.
Mike
Message stolen by garden banter
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:I-adnRtRK9FOi6_bRVnyiQA@brightview.com...
>
> "Janet Tweedy" <jan@lancedal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OJwjSYJt8gMGFwCo@ukonline.co.uk...
>
> Perhaps we should all add "Message not posted to garden banter" to our
> signature line. Or perhaps, "Message stolen by garden banter" Oh what fun
> we could have.
>
> Mike
> Message not posted to garden banter
>
Looks as if someone else is getting paranoid as well as that sad old woman
:-((
For goodness sake get a life
Mike
MAY BE COPIED TO GARDEN BANTER
--
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| On 27/4/07 16:30, in article
ZP-dnUcEzN2qiq_bnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@brightview.com, "Muddymike"
<MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
> "Janet Tweedy" <jan@lancedal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OJwjSYJt8gMGFwCo@ukonline.co.uk...
>
> Just had another look and this thread is on there. Perhaps we should all add
> "Message not posted to garden banter" to our
> signature line. Or perhaps, "Message stolen by garden banter" Oh what fun we
> could have.
>
> Mike
> Message stolen by garden banter
>
>
Good idea. Janet's post is an excellent example of dishonest this practice
is.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)
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| Muddymike 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
news:H--dncQtiqcKiq_bRVnyvAA@bt.com...
>
> "Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:I-adnRtRK9FOi6_bRVnyiQA@brightview.com...
>
> Looks as if someone else is getting paranoid as well as that sad old woman
> :-((
>
> For goodness sake get a life
>
> Mike
>
> MAY BE COPIED TO GARDEN BANTER
I am so pleased to see you are joining in the fun. but no need to shout
about it.
Mike
Message stolen by garden banter
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
news:7aCdnXAEyv1ch6_bnZ2dnUVZ8taknZ2d@brightview.com...
>
> I am so pleased to see you are joining in the fun. but no need to shout
> about it.
>
> Mike
Please do NOT cut off my advertising signature when copying my posts. They
are there for a purpose and if cut off when copied to Garden banter, then
that is advertising lost.
Thank you
Mike
May be copied to Garden banter
--
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| chris French 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
| In message <C257D8CB.4AA23%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk>, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 27/4/07 16:30, in article
>ZP-dnUcEzN2qiq_bnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@brightview.com, "Muddymike"
><MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
[color=darkred]
>Good idea. Janet's post is an excellent example of dishonest this practice
>is.
I'm not sure that I personally have any great problem with Gardenbanter
et al, though I understand why some people do. But there is no need to
go over it again.
However a couple of points:
You can add the
'X-No-Archive: Yes'
Header to your messages (depending on your news client this may be easy
or awkward)
This won't stop them posting the message, but it won't be archived and
will be deleted after 2 weeks. Google Groups do something similar,
though they display the message for 6 days AIUI
for a little general detail on X-No_Archive:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive>
You could always comment on the blog:
<http://www.newsgroupbanter.com/>
--
Chris French
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"chris French" <newspost-c-002@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
> But there is no need to go over it again.
>
> Chris French
>
Try telling that to the 'Owner' :-((
Sad old woman that she is.
Mike
--
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| Alan Holmes 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
|
"Janet Tweedy" <jan@lancedal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OJwjSYJt8gMGFwCo@ukonline.co.uk...
> In article <AuWdnVUp9YcKNazbnZ2dnUVZ8sGvnZ2d@bt.com>, 'Mike'
> <3d&6d@woolies.com> writes
>
>
>
>
> It is actually annoying that they do this because some years ago I posted
> to THIS group, happy to give away seeds
> I had spare. About 1 year later they put it on their website and I got
> emails from lots of unknown people all demanding spare seeds, of which I
> had no more! It was disappointing for the emailer as well.
You could have sent them an email telling them they were too late, and, that
if they had read urg they would have stood a better chance!
Alan
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| Janet Tweedy 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
| In article <ZP-dnUcEzN2qiq_bnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@brightview.com>, Muddymike
<MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> writes
>Just had another look and this thread is on there. Perhaps we should all add
>"Message not posted to garden banter" to our
>signature line. Or perhaps, "Message stolen by garden banter" Oh what fun we
>could have.
>
>Mike
>Message stolen by garden banter
>
>
Would they edit this stuff though?
If people are reading it via the web and garden banter I'm not sure they
all realise that they are doing so and they might enjoy the newsgroup in
full!
Janet
Posting to UK.rec.gardening. a great newsgroup for gardeners 
--
Janet Tweedy
Amersham Gardening Association
http://www.amersham-gardening.net
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| Janet Tweedy 2007-04-27, 1:25 pm |
| In article <etqYh.2436$Tu5.1322@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Alan Holmes
<alan_holmes@nowhere.com> writes
>
>You could have sent them an email telling them they were too late, and, that
>if they had read urg they would have stood a better chance!
>
>Alan
>
>
I did Alan but some of them couldn't understand what I was talking
about, they had seen the message, albeit 1 year later and couldn't get
it into their heads that it was 12 months old.
One poster was quite rude, said I shouldn't post about stuff I hadn't
got etc etc.
--
Janet Tweedy
Amersham Gardening Association
http://www.amersham-gardening.net
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| Alan Holmes 2007-04-27, 5:25 pm |
|
"Janet Tweedy" <jan@lancedal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:W91lPFU6zjMGFwSe@ukonline.co.uk...
> In article <etqYh.2436$Tu5.1322@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Alan Holmes
> <alan_holmes@nowhere.com> writes
>
>
>
> I did Alan but some of them couldn't understand what I was talking about,
> they had seen the message, albeit 1 year later and couldn't get it into
> their heads that it was 12 months old.
That may be a requirement of subscribing to gardenbanter, you have to be an
idiot!
> One poster was quite rude, said I shouldn't post about stuff I hadn't got
> etc etc.
Not much you can do about that, if you responded in the same way it could go
on and on, perhaps best to just ignore it, or you could have said that if
(s)he had read a proper newsgroup, they would have got what they wanted.
A difficult situation
Alan
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| Peter Robinson 2007-04-27, 5:25 pm |
| Sacha <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Some time ago, I wrote telling them that I don't want them
> to print my articles and that they do not have my permission to do so. I
> know at least one other person did the same.
What, if anything, was their reply?
Peter
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| chris French 2007-04-27, 8:25 pm |
| In message <wsSdnatsao4TsK_bnZ2dnUVZ8tijnZ2d@bt.com>, 'Mike'
<3d&6d@woolies.com> writes
>
>"chris French" <newspost-c-002@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
>
[color=darkred]
>Try telling that to the 'Owner' :-((
>
I was not complaining about someone posting on this topic again - if I
don't want to read a thread I don't bother, I was just pointing out that
I wasn't trying to start debate on this aspect.
>Sad old woman that she is.
>
Glad to see your helpful and erudite contributions to the group
continue. You'll need to try harder though to get out of my killfile
--
Chris French
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| Donovan Young 2007-04-27, 8:25 pm |
| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:44:04 +0100, "Muddymike"
<MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>Message stolen by garden banter
PMSL!
I suppose every other newsserver than the one you're posting from AND
Google have stolen it too?
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| Denis Herrera 2007-04-27, 8:25 pm |
| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:28:10 +0100, chris French
<newspost-c-002@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>You'll need to try harder though to get out of my killfile
LOL!
You're replying to his message, yet you claim he's in your killfile?
There's nowt as queer as folk!
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| Violet Pearson 2007-04-27, 8:25 pm |
| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:21:01 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<alan_holmes@nowhere.com> wrote:
>That may be a requirement of subscribing to gardenbanter, you have to be an
>idiot!
When did you subscribe?
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| Caroline Kim 2007-04-27, 8:25 pm |
| On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:53:31 +0100, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I often wonder what would happen if someone here gave such bad advice that
>it wrecked a Gardenbanter reader's garden. Who would the victim sue -
>Gardenbanter, obviously.
Don't be silly, Sacha, this is the Internet! Nobody could sue anyone
for "bad advice" gleaned from here OR Gardenbanter!
If people take gardening advice from here or Gardenbanter as gospel,
then they deserve ALL they get.
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| chris French 2007-04-28, 3:25 am |
| In message <5b2533hd2ouvmsu447d5q95ag12mqdftu4@4ax.com>, Denis Herrera
<3joO2@sr4EPA1.Sa4> writes
>On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:28:10 +0100, chris French
><newspost-c-002@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>LOL!
>
>You're replying to his message, yet you claim he's in your killfile?
>
Yep, it's not mutually exclusive, he was then, and he still is now.
I saw that he had replied to message of mine in the thread, and on the
off chance he had posted useful/entertaining etc. reply I downloaded
that particular message.
However, it was his usual sort of rubbish.
--
Chris French
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| chris French 2007-04-28, 3:25 am |
| In message <x2sYh.2270$Ug5.1529@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, Alan Holmes
<alan_holmes@nowhere.com> writes
>
>"Janet Tweedy" <jan@lancedal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:W91lPFU6zjMGFwSe@ukonline.co.uk...
>
>That may be a requirement of subscribing to gardenbanter, you have to be an
>idiot!
>
I don't know why you think a blanket insult of a portion of the
readership is acceptable Alan?
I think that characterising people who read URG via Gardenbanter as
idiots really isn't in the spirit of friendliness/helpfullness that
generally imbues posts to URG.
Likelihood is that a lot of people who come across URG via Gardenbanter
(or another web interface to newsgroups) are probably newer users of the
net and have probably never heard of newsgroups before or realise what
they are, that you can read them via a newsreader etc. Few people who I
know, who either aren't pretty technically minded, or have been using
the net for a pretty long time really know anything about newsgroups.
Reading via GB is perfectly valid, and maybe for some people the best
way. OK, some people have issues with the running of the site, but
insulting users because of that isn't on really.
>
>Not much you can do about that, if you responded in the same way it could go
>on and on, perhaps best to just ignore it, or you could have said that if
>(s)he had read a proper newsgroup, they would have got what they wanted.
They are reading a 'proper' newsgroup, the same one that you and I are
reading, just via a different method. Pointing out that lots of us find
that using a newsreader is a much 'better' way, more efficient, quicker
etc. is fine, abusing people for their choice doesn't seem to me to be
so (and there certainly is an element of that in this thread)
--
Chris French
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| Muddymike 2007-04-28, 5:25 pm |
|
"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
news:E4CdnSth9bC_ga_bnZ2dnUVZ8qKvnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:7aCdnXAEyv1ch6_bnZ2dnUVZ8taknZ2d@brightview.com...
>
>
> Please do NOT cut off my advertising signature when copying my posts. They
> are there for a purpose and if cut off when copied to Garden banter, then
> that is advertising lost.
>
I trim all my replies whether they contain advertising or not, and wish
others would do the same. I find trawling through several replies just to
reach the bottom to read a pointless comment rather tiresome.
Mike
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| On 28/4/07 20:40, in article XqWdnZlUm5GEOa7bRVnyhwA@brightview.com,
"Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
> news:E4CdnSth9bC_ga_bnZ2dnUVZ8qKvnZ2d@bt.com...
<snip>>>
>
> I trim all my replies whether they contain advertising or not, and wish
> others would do the same. I find trawling through several replies just to
> reach the bottom to read a pointless comment rather tiresome.
>
> Mike
>
>
Gardenbanter contains a link to a Royal Naval site called Rumration. As
Crowe says above, this is why Crowe doesn't want you to trim his sigfile
because Gardenbanter can pick it up and bring him new customers. His
advertising signature is, indeed, there for a purpose and this group, urg,
is his Trojan horse, it seems.
This is a high traffic group, so every time he posts to urg, his sigfile
appears in Gardenbanter which could explain why he is so vociferously pro it
and so venomously anti those of us who object to our posts being hijacked
without so much as a 'by your leave'. Crowe is using the trouble he makes
on urg to promote his interests through Gardenbanter.
Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
Join uk.rec.gardening instead.
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Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
(remove weeds from address)
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-28, 5:25 pm |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C2596A67.4AC3C%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 28/4/07 20:40, in article XqWdnZlUm5GEOa7bRVnyhwA@brightview.com,
> "Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>>>
>
> Gardenbanter contains a link to a Royal Naval site called Rumration. As
> Crowe says above, this is why Crowe doesn't want you to trim his sigfile
> because Gardenbanter can pick it up and bring him new customers. His
> advertising signature is, indeed, there for a purpose and this group, urg,
> is his Trojan horse, it seems.
>
> This is a high traffic group, so every time he posts to urg, his sigfile
> appears in Gardenbanter which could explain why he is so vociferously pro
> it
> and so venomously anti those of us who object to our posts being hijacked
> without so much as a 'by your leave'. Crowe is using the trouble he makes
> on urg to promote his interests through Gardenbanter.
>
> Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
> Join uk.rec.gardening instead.
> --
> Sacha
Garden Banter doesn't need your permission Hubbard to use your posts :-))
Live with it. :-))
Mike
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The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| judith.lea99@googlemail.com 2007-04-28, 5:25 pm |
| On Apr 27, 3:47 pm, Sacha <s...@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Up to now, this group has tended to approach things from the opposite pov
> and encourage those who post from Gardenbanter here, to join urg direct.
> That way they'll see everything, rather than what Gardenbanter chooses for
> them to see.
> But ignoring it. Some time ago, I wrote telling them that I don't want them
> to print my articles and that they do not have my permission to do so. I
> know at least one other person did the same. Because I don't earn a living
> writing here there is no point in suing them because I can't show that I am
> losing by their actions.
> All I can do is express my contempt for them.
I'm not sure that I understand this Gardenbanter thing, is it a
commerical site and why do they steal postings to urg?
Judith
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| On 28/4/07 21:39, in article
1177792775.023625.317370@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
"judith.lea99@googlemail.com" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 3:47 pm, Sacha <s...@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure that I understand this Gardenbanter thing, is it a
> commerical site and why do they steal postings to urg?
>
Because they are a commercial site and use postings to urg to lure people
into their own site which contains commercial advertising.
I imagine that they rely on the fact that most people don't have the
money/time/will to take on a commercial site to protect their own posts to a
newsgroup. Perhaps one/some of us should look at that a little more
closely.
Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
Join uk.rec.gardening instead.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
(remove weeds from address)
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-28, 5:25 pm |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C25972B2.4AC65%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 28/4/07 21:39, in article
> 1177792775.023625.317370@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> "judith.lea99@googlemail.com" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Because they are a commercial site and use postings to urg to lure people
> into their own site which contains commercial advertising.
> I imagine that they rely on the fact that most people don't have the
> money/time/will to take on a commercial site to protect their own posts to
> a
> newsgroup. Perhaps one/some of us should look at that a little more
> closely.
>
> Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
> Join uk.rec.gardening instead.
> --
> Sacha
> Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
>
Garden Banter does not need permission to use your posts Hubbard.
Live with it.
Mike
--
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The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| chris French 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| In message <1177792775.023625.317370@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"judith.lea99@googlemail.com" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com> writes
>On Apr 27, 3:47 pm, Sacha <s...@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I'm not sure that I understand this Gardenbanter thing, is it a
>commerical site and why do they steal postings to urg?
>
Gardenbanter is one of number of sites under the 'Newsgroupbanter'
banner- basically a web interface onto various newsgroups. Similar to
Googlegroups, though AIUI only to a subset of groups. As well as URG, GB
also presents a number of other gardening groups, such as rec.gardens
etc.
When you access the site, the ubiquitous Google ads appear on the pages,
intended of course to make money for GB et al.
Some people object to this aspect of making money by effectively using
the posts to newsgroups as the content for their site without permission
of the posters, hence the 'stealing' aspect. A reasonable POV, though
not one I share personally. It's not something that bothers me.
But the discussion has been done to death here before really.
--
Chris French
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| > Chris French" <newspost-c-002@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OWgvfvbeUFNGNA7W@blackhole.familyfrench.co.uk...
> In message <1177792775.023625.317370@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> "judith.lea99@googlemail.com" <judith.lea99@googlemail.com> writes
> Gardenbanter is one of number of sites under the 'Newsgroupbanter'
> banner- basically a web interface onto various newsgroups. Similar to
> Googlegroups, though AIUI only to a subset of groups. As well as URG, GB
> also presents a number of other gardening groups, such as rec.gardens etc.
>
> When you access the site, the ubiquitous Google ads appear on the pages,
> intended of course to make money for GB et al.
>
> Some people object to this aspect of making money by effectively using the
> posts to newsgroups as the content for their site without permission of
> the posters, hence the 'stealing' aspect. A reasonable POV, though not one
> I share personally. It's not something that bothers me.
>
> But the discussion has been done to death here before really.
>
>
> --
> Chris French
>
That is http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk which Hubbard is advertising. Well
worth a look and full of lots of interesting information from lots of
sights.
Go and take a peek over the fence.
Mike
--
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The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C2596A67.4AC3C%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 28/4/07 20:40, in article XqWdnZlUm5GEOa7bRVnyhwA@brightview.com,
> "Muddymike" <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>>>
>
> Gardenbanter contains a link to a Royal Naval site called Rumration. As
> Crowe says above, this is why Crowe doesn't want you to trim his sigfile
> because Gardenbanter can pick it up and bring him new customers. His
> advertising signature is, indeed, there for a purpose and this group, urg,
> is his Trojan horse, it seems.
>
> This is a high traffic group, so every time he posts to urg, his sigfile
> appears in Gardenbanter which could explain why he is so vociferously pro
> it
> and so venomously anti those of us who object to our posts being hijacked
> without so much as a 'by your leave'. Crowe is using the trouble he makes
> on urg to promote his interests through Gardenbanter.
>
> Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
> Join uk.rec.gardening instead.
> --
> Sacha
> http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
> (remove weeds from address)
>
Well it looks as if the site that he would have folk visit is as dormant and
useless as his previous attempts to reunite ex shipmates. The power of
advertising does not seem to work in his case.
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| David D Stretch 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| On Sunday 29 Apr 2007 09:19, chris French
(<OWgvfvbeUFNGNA7W@blackhole.familyfrench.co.uk> ) wrote:
> But the discussion has been done to death here before really.
Hear hear!
Can we get back to, as far as possible, only having gardening threads begun
by people who are not just trolling or spamming, please?
David
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David D Stretch: Stoke-on-Trent, United Kingdom.
Use the Reply-to field. Remove capitalised letters, which together spell
"SNAKE", first. Address guaranteed for 2 weeks after date of posted message.
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| Anne Jackson 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| The message from "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" <reply@newsgroups.com>
contains these words:
> Well it looks as if the site that he would have folk visit is as dormant
> and useless as his previous attempts to reunite ex shipmates. The power
> of advertising does not seem to work in his case.
Are you surprised?
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AnneJ
Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters.
~Rosa Luxemburg
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| Alan Johnson 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| Anne Jackson wrote:
> Are you surprised?
Like your sig, Anne.
Freiheit ist immer die Freiheit der Andersdenkende
Regards
Alan
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
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"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" <reply@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
news:463472ed@212.67.96.135...
>
>
> Well it looks as if the site that he would have folk visit is as dormant
> and useless as his previous attempts to reunite ex shipmates. The power
> of advertising does not seem to work in his case.
>
:-))
Try being my postman :-))
Fat lot you know :-))
Mike
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www.rneba.org.uk
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
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"Anne Jackson" <amygdala@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:31303030343236304634A2E138@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message from "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" <reply@newsgroups.com>
> contains these words:
>
>
> Are you surprised?
>
> --
> AnneJ
>
He would be if he knew :-))
Mike
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'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| Sacha wrote:
> On 27/4/07 08:17, in article
> d7-dneGkk9QeOazbnZ2dnUVZ8v-dnZ2d@brightview.com, "Muddymike"
> <MikeRogers@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>
> They take the posts from here - without permission - and use them
> there.
I have a blanket filter that block all posts originating from Garden banter!
pk
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